At 8/28/06 02:47 PM, -Nev- wrote:

At 8/28/06 12:59 PM, Athlas wrote: Cool, for no apparent reason, someone just explained to me why I'll never get a girlfirend and will die lonely.

They never said anything about not getting a boyfriend and dying happy :).

Just like Freddie Mercury, God bless his soul

At 8/27/06 09:10 PM, cornbin wrote:

Btw, stop complaining and get AIM. It's pretty like a pony.

Still makes annoying noises like a pony.

you can turn the sounds off, i hate the pony sounds, so i turned them off and its super de dooper now.

As for Sarah's questions well...
She would have to be called Sarah, and be pritty and great :-P

Also, i need some money ;-) but that isnt for this forum topic im guessing....

At 8/29/06 12:30 AM, Naked_Beercan wrote: Also, i need some money ;-) but that isnt for this forum topic im guessing....

I'll give you £1 if you re-enact your profile pic minus the jumper (unless theres more clothing underneath... that'll have to go too).

£1 converted to dollars is like $1,00,000,000 cause the dollars weaker than your average girl.

At 8/28/06 02:47 PM, -Nev- wrote:

At 8/28/06 12:59 PM, Athlas wrote: Cool, for no apparent reason, someone just explained to me why I'll never get a girlfirend and will die lonely.

They never said anything about not getting a boyfriend and dying happy :).

I'm not completely sure of my sexual preferences, but that's because of my age. I believe no one can be absolutely certain of their sexual preferences untill they've reached a certain age, and have gathered a certain amount of experience. But so far, I've never been attracted to males, so I doubt I'm bi- or homosexual, seeing how I am attracted to women.

At 8/29/06 06:13 PM, Dejanus wrote: From what I heard, Homosexuals know they are gay faitly early. I think it is safe to say you are not one, Athlas. Not that I would know, however.

I think there are more people out there who would be relieved by that then they would admit. I would have been fine with being homosexual. After all, you are who you are, no point in being scared of yourself and the world around you. Screw anyone who wants to change that, or judges you from their ignorant, prejudical views.

I just figured: droids don't have a sexual preference, so what am I worrying about?

*beep*

At 8/29/06 06:46 PM, Dejanus wrote: I keep an open mind to things. I am not really religous, so I dont get that whole: "God doesnt want them married..." hooplah. You are right, peole are just who they are, and no one can or should change that.

Yet paedophiles who are who are they aren't given the same tolerance.
Talk about hypocrisy.

At 8/29/06 06:57 PM, Dejanus wrote: As I said, I keep an open mind, but I do disaggre with that. No matter what, thinking about sex or having with children is wrong, it is almost always non-consensual and always illegal. Child porn just provokes such action...

'Almost always..' so what about when its is consensual? Do they not deserve the same tolerance that you give everyone ever... afterall, they were born that way, its not their fault.

And you say its always illegal. But so is hetrosexual sex in some places, not to mention homosexuality being illegal in loads of places.

And you say child porn provokes such actions.... but they're born that way aren't they? So its not provoked at all, its just nature taking its place.

At 8/29/06 06:50 PM, -Nev- wrote:

Yet paedophiles who are who are they aren't given the same tolerance.
Talk about hypocrisy.

You can be whoever you want to be, as long as it is inconsequental for others in a harmful way. Paedophilia would be an example of this.

At 8/29/06 07:13 PM, Dejanus wrote: And how do you know they were born that way?

How do you know homosexuals were born homosexuals?
Homosexuality is no more a 'born-with-it' case then paedophilia.
Homosexuality is wrong to many. As is paedophilia... but to those who participate in either believe its a perfectly natural thing.
And to critise one and not the other is hypocrisy. They're both considered wrong.

If you're going to accept that homosexuals are born that way, not excepting that paedo's are born that way completely contradicts the homosexual argument.

And sure, for some it probably is a sick-fetish... but I imagine you get your share of homos like that too.... so they can simply be cast out as anomolies.

Just because it is illegal doesnt mean it is wrong.

I'm sure many paedophiles would use that same argument against you.

Although I personally think that pedophilia is wrong.

I don't condon paedophilia myself. But I just wanted to show contradictions in your' born a homo' theory with a nice debate :).

At 8/29/06 07:17 PM, Athlas wrote: You can be whoever you want to be, as long as it is inconsequental for others in a harmful way. Paedophilia would be an example of this.

How would it be? There are some children who chase adults for sex. You don't always need to assume they're being taken advantage of.

At 8/29/06 07:39 PM, -Nev- wrote:

At 8/29/06 07:13 PM, Dejanus wrote: And how do you know they were born that way?

How do you know homosexuals were born homosexuals?
Homosexuality is no more a 'born-with-it' case then paedophilia.

I'm not sure how peadophilia is caused, other then severe trauma or other psychological issues, but the scientific explanation claims homosexuality find its roots during pregnancy. While the child is transforming from embryo into a fetus, to be precise. You see male homosexuals get a high enough amount of testosteron to become male, but the amount isn't high enough to give them the heterosexual urges most humans have. Same goes for females, just replace testosteron with oestrogen. The unbalanced amount of testosteron and oestrogen simply doesn't allow heterosexual urges. (bisexuals are somewhere in between)

Homosexuality is wrong to many. As is paedophilia... but to those who participate in either believe its a perfectly natural thing.

Homosexuality occurs among many species, mostly mammals such as lions, ghazelles,...
I've never heard of paedophilic animals though.

And to critise one and not the other is hypocrisy. They're both considered wrong.

It depends on your personal moral. What do you consider wrong?

If you're going to accept that homosexuals are born that way, not excepting that paedo's are born that way completely contradicts the homosexual argument.

It's aproven fact that the paedophilia finds its roots in psychological, rather than
bodycal (is this an existing term?) urges.

Just because it is illegal doesnt mean it is wrong.

Very true.

Although I personally think that pedophilia is wrong.

So do I, as do most people.

At 8/29/06 07:17 PM, Athlas wrote: You can be whoever you want to be, as long as it is inconsequental for others in a harmful way. Paedophilia would be an example of this.

How would it be? There are some children who chase adults for sex. You don't always need to assume they're being taken advantage of.

"Harmful way". Usually, in this sort of cases, there is no harm done to either party. If both parties agree to have sex, being fully aware of their choice and its meaning, it should be tolerated, although it would be almost impossible to prove that the child really wasn't being taken advantage of. It's easier to illegalise it all together. And pobably better for most.

At 8/29/06 07:53 PM, Athlas wrote: I'm not sure how peadophilia is caused, other then severe trauma or other psychological issues, but the scientific explanation claims homosexuality find its roots during pregnancy.

Lust perhaps?
Love?, though I imagine thats insanely rare

Homosexuality occurs among many species, mostly mammals such as lions, ghazelles,...
I've never heard of paedophilic animals though.

Doesn't mean it doesn't happen. And how can you prove that some of these lions aren't having sex with underage lions :P.
Plus most animals eat the babies.

It depends on your personal moral. What do you consider wrong?

Meh, I don't really believe in wrong and right in terms of love (if thats the case).

It's aproven fact that the paedophilia finds its roots in psychological, rather than
bodycal (is this an existing term?) urges.

Biological.
Not every case of homosexuality is due to increased whatever.... they may experiment and merely enjoy it more.

And you know what. From this moment I'm officially gay... just to spite you two.

Shut up those who know me!.... I wasn't gay before this point :P

It's easier to illegalise it all together. And pobably better for most.

Yeh but if love can exist in the minority aren't affected, then shouldn't it be tolerated more?

Righty... time for my time act as Counsil member.

Carvel!!

Being a rather sexy friend of mine you get to witness the biasness within the Virgin Counsil... as a result I hereby bestow upon you the envious rank of....

... Crab Droid! Being a little girl at heart I know how you yearn to be beautiful princess, and few things top the mighty crab in terms of beauty and claim to the throne.
However it doesn't end with your nobility, no. For you are agile, quick, and can easily pass over uneven terrain. Meaning fast and efficient escape from stalkers and rapists.... watch out though... you're weak from behind.

Be a good little crab and upgrades will be given when deserved.

At 8/29/06 08:29 PM, -Nev- wrote:

At 8/29/06 07:53 PM, Athlas wrote: I'm not sure how peadophilia is caused, other then severe trauma or other psychological issues, but the scientific explanation claims homosexuality find its roots during pregnancy.

Homosexuality occurs among many species, mostly mammals such as lions, ghazelles,...
I've never heard of paedophilic animals though.

Plus most animals eat the babies.

Yeah, but they aren't 'eating them out'...

:O

It depends on your personal moral. What do you consider wrong?

Meh, I don't really believe in wrong and right in terms of love (if thats the case).

Good. That's a very open view. I'm getting sick of all the fundementalists who lack it.

It's a proven fact that paedophilia finds its roots in psychological, rather than
biological urges.

Not every case of homosexuality is due to increased whatever.... they may experiment and merely enjoy it more.

True, I suppose we could find its explanation in our curiosity, which is typical for the human species.

And you know what. From this moment I'm officially gay... just to spite you two.

Good for you. I hope you find true love and live a happy homosexual life. Don't wear pink clothes though. Pink is evil.

Shut up those who know me!.... I wasn't gay before this point :P

It's easier to illegalise it all together. And pobably better for most.

Woa, I was talking about paedophilia here, not homosexuality. I don't have ANY problems with homosexuality, should have made that more clear.

At 8/30/06 11:18 AM, Athlas wrote: Woa, I was talking about paedophilia here, not homosexuality. I don't have ANY problems with homosexuality, should have made that more clear.

I know you were. I understood what you meant perfectly.

And pink is not evil :(.

Hey, guess what.

Pedophiliac's are the reason for child pornography and child molestation. Both which are out of control and both which there is little done to stop.

Personally, I feel child abuse is the worst form of cruelty that one human and inflict upon another. It is robbing a child of their innocence in the most vicious way possible, and it is something which they never get over.

Never.

It affects them for the rest of their life, and they have to go through the rest of their days trying to cope with it.

Those poor pedophiles, they can't help themselves. They can't help preying on young, naive children to satiate their sick and obsessive needs. They can't help bribing a child with sweet words and gifts, acting the parental figure (typically the father figure), gaining their trust and then crawling into their beds to teach them all about their love. It's not their fault, right? What about when they skip the pesky and lengthy process of gaining trust and decide to abduct the child, and rape and abuse them? They enjoy it, so at the cost of another's life let's nod our heads in understanding and embrace it. Also, how about all of those children forced and sold into the pornography industry to further help the pedophile's cause, so they can watch them and further indulge in their twisted fantasies? Thanks to the internet, the demand for such pornography has increased greatly (it takes up a grand total of 7% of the pornography industry, probably more by now, this is huge when you think about it).. and access has become so much easier. The requests for younger children have increased as well, what is it now.. infants?

All for those poor pedophiles, who just can't control themselves.

They have the same behavioral patterns as serial killers. That unstoppable, obsessive drive. How come they weren't mentioned in this pleasant debate? If a pedophile doesn't have to gain self control, then why should a serial killer or rapist? Is it because pedophiles are so much more devious and conniving? Or because the government doesn't pay enough attention to child abuse cases? It's funny how someone who pirates on the internet often gets more time in jail (4 yrs) than a sick pervert who has been molesting children for years (2 yrs).

I wonder what would happen if we all decided to let go of any sense of decency and good and fully immersed ourselves in our corrupted sides. No restriction or control, using and abusing those around us as we pleased. The pursuit of our sick desires being our only fuel -- constant and selfish predators. Sound familiar? A lot like the actions of a pedophile. Then again, we could always mask our actions with the age old proposal that we were born with it, hence it being so very acceptable.

You know what? We were born with a choice in this life. Pedophiles have the choice of not preying upon children. There really is no excuse for their actions. Even if it the only perversion that can get them off, wouldn't you agree that sacrificing their sexual pleasure for the safety of our youth is a trifle price to pay? And believe me, pedophiles know exactly what they are doing. It is not an issue where they cannot discern right from wrong.

Anyway, to make another point. Pedophiles cannot maintain a relationship because once the child grows too old, they lose sexual interest. Sexual interest, power and dominance for the young is the base of their attraction. This is why they typically are known to take many pictures, and video recordings of their infatuations. To try and immortalize that young person, so they can validate the relationship and their perversity.

Homosexuals, on the other hand, are able to carry on a long term relationship with one another. They are able to surpass infatuation and achieve love and true affection/caring, for they are both consenting and understanding partners. This applies to emotionally and sexually, a maturity which a pedophile can never have. Basically, they are able to grow with one another, without there being any deceit, advantage-taking or a cut off limit.

Well, I could go on about this for a long time, but it would just be me going into detail and bringing up more disturbing facts and points. Pedophiles are the reason why I often seriously consider switching to a criminology major, after all. I feel the need to protect our young -- this world is increasingly becoming more and more unsafe, and with an unreliable, twisted government (i'll get into the outrageous laws/terms involving pedophilia, children, and all that follows another time) it only makes it more worrisome.

My arms hurt

At 8/30/06 01:59 PM, WilliWowza wrote: My arms hurt

Aww, poor Willy the Ewok. Were the other ewoks picking on you again?

At 8/30/06 02:24 PM, Sarah_Rawr wrote:

At 8/30/06 01:59 PM, WilliWowza wrote: My arms hurt

Aww, poor Willy the Ewok. Were the other ewoks picking on you again?

No actually I was laying cement for my uncles new garden patio, who knew cement was so heavy

At 8/30/06 02:35 PM, WilliWowza wrote:

At 8/30/06 02:24 PM, Sarah_Rawr wrote:

At 8/30/06 01:59 PM, WilliWowza wrote: My arms hurt

Aww, poor Willy the Ewok. Were the other ewoks picking on you again?

No actually I was laying cement for my uncles new garden patio, who knew cement was so heavy

Strong people don't think it's heavy...

At 8/30/06 02:35 PM, WilliWowza wrote: No actually I was laying cement for my uncles new garden patio, who knew cement was so heavy

I remember when I helped my parents beautify this one section of their property, a sheltered grove type area with about a dozen trees there. A nice shady spot, really attractive. They made it into an elaborate outdoor sanctuary, with a stone table set, bench, lions, fountain, bird bath, etc.

Practically everything was made out of an intricate stone, wth! By the end of it all, both my legs and arms were in pain. ;(

Btw, we need to seriously complete that flash idea.

Sarah, you're a master of arguing and I think I know why.

You write so much that by the reader has read it all they're too tired to reply :(.

But I'll try :P... just on one point though.
You say that they cannot grow as a relationship. But what if a man/woman loves a child, but not because it is a child. Nevertheless they'd be branded a paedophile. But what if they do carry on a loving relationship afterwards?

And theres no reason said couple need to have sex, they could be 'wait till you're older' type thing. It'd still be paedophilia, but without the fetish part.

I've already re-started Headache Man 2, gotta do that first, I have many a fan waiting

'(

Paedophile facts!

"Genetically, paedophiles have more genes in common with crabs than they do with you or me. Now that's scientific fact. There's no real evidence for it but it is scientific fact." - Dr Fox.

Best Brass Eye episode EVER!

Now, I know we're not supposed to talk about porn in this club, but this goes along with the topic at hand. I occasionally look up porn on Limewire, and this always happens without fail: No matter what the search term is, lesbian or heterosexual, half of the results are always something like, "40-year-old man rapes 8-year-old daughter as son watches," or some other type of pedo/incest thing. Honestly, it makes me sick to my stomach just scrolling down through the searches I make. What kind of sick people would watch this kind of stuff, or even make it? So yeah, I can believe Sarah when she says that this is out of control. So many things are being crusaded against by so many organizations, and yet this seems to be taking a back seat. Maybe we should cut out half of the same stupid anti-marijuana commercials we see every day and raise awareness for more serious things like this. Or maybe the Republicans should stop trying to ban gay marriage and go after child molesters instead. Really, things seem backwards in our country sometimes.

At 8/30/06 03:14 PM, WilliWowza wrote: Best Brass Eye episode EVER!

I prefer the Drugs one, but its still great :D.

At 8/30/06 02:49 PM, -Nev- wrote: Sarah, you're a master of arguing and I think I know why.

What can I say? I'm told to be a lawyer all the time.

You write so much that by the reader has read it all they're too tired to reply :(.

Stop being lazy, take a nap and then reply. You can't let the pedophiles down with such slip-slop work.

But I'll try :P... just on one point though.

Aw, pity. Only one?

You say that they cannot grow as a relationship. But what if a man/woman loves a child, but not because it is a child. Nevertheless they'd be branded a paedophile. But what if they do carry on a loving relationship afterwards?
And theres no reason said couple need to have sex, they could be 'wait till you're older' type thing. It'd still be paedophilia, but without the fetish part.

To both of these, and i'll try to make this short because i'm such a compassionate person.

Pedophiles can never repress their thoughts and feelings toward children, they will always be there. That want. They do have the power to control their actions though. If they want to wait for a child to grow up to adulthood before trying anything, by all means please do. If they love the child, they wouldn't attempt to make any kind of adult relations with them until they are of age.

In fact, if a pedophile truly loved a child, they would leave them alone completely to avoid harming them, emotionally or physically. You see, a pedophile cannot escape their primal urges. It is why they are considered such, the attraction to children.

I believe you are trying to present a case where an adult's attraction to a child is not really pedophilia. It makes me laugh that you try and romanticize the situation, but.. basically, if that adult really does care for the child and want a healthy relationship, then it is not wrong to wait for them. It is wrong to try and make themselves a romantic figure in their life when they are still a child, though. It is also wrong to pose as a trusting, helpful, and loving figure in their lives at a young age and then attempt to turn it sexual later on (another reason why it is best to leave them alone completely). That in itself is a betrayal.

The whole situation is iffy, and, dear lord, i'd prefer that the children just be left alone to be children without some admirer laying in wait for them. I suppose it is better than the alternative, though.

At 8/30/06 03:41 PM, Sarah_Rawr wrote: Being smelly..

You smell :(.

Case closed.

At 8/30/06 03:50 PM, Sarah_Rawr wrote: Case closed.

Well you're gonna die in Episode VI so =P.