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I have some difficulty dealing with change, but I'll click around a bit and we'll see what happens.
Objectively speaking, the design does look lovely.
The redesign looks really beautiful, honestly. The previous design was fantastic also, and the fact that it lasted so long is a good testament to just how great it was. The redesign is even better, well done.
I make animations and play games.
Well I like the design so far,but its a bit messy and unorganized and cluttered in some parts. Like the front page,its a thumbnail mess.
Especially the featured stuff on the front page. I liked it a bit better when the thumbnails were a bit smaller and had a little description to accompany the flash to drag us into it,rather than just guess on what its about and click away,cause a wide thumbnail and the name isn't really enough.
Everything is so SHINY and neon, by the way this is my first experience of a site with monumental history getting a face lift and it's users actually giving out helpful critiques instead of going completely apeshit over the loss of the previous layout.
I can't find anything wrong than again I'm fucking noob but seriously I can't stop staring so fucking pretty.
I might as well give my thoughts, since I spend a decent amount of time here, and want the best for the site, not just for me, but for the majority of people.
The lack of info on the new icons. It has been said many times, but it would be helpful, and would avoid unnecessary spam viewing.
Stats should fill up the empty part of the userpages on the left. We had it before, and it just seems like you made it harder for us to scope out members.
I liked the feature where the audio mainpage would play a a featured song. Obviously you could disable the feature from settings, but I do miss it.
The underjudgment system with the new icons doesn't work as well as before. The Classic portal works very well in you can easily see the total number of UJ submissions, and though icons are nice, just take up more space than needed.
The skins are very nice. I love them. I do wish you could either assign certain skins to certain pages eliminating less favourite ones, or even uploading your own personal skins (this is probably a bit too much to ask for tough).
These are off the top of my mind, but believe when say I love the site design, and like the seperate flash portals, BBS stylings, level icons, new user bar at the top, etc...
3DS friend code NG member list. / I talk about game design using cartoons on youtube. / My Wii U username is Bobbybroccoli.
I am completely blown away. Exploring the site like for the first time again. Loving it! Well done guys you did a great job!!
Question, this new 2012 model is fucking awesome but when i try to load flas-err...When i try to load "Movies" it just stays with a blank space. With the old 2007 model it loaded fine, but it won't on this new model. & I'm wondering if i need a new adobe flash player to fix this or is it a bug or something to do with your end of this? RESPOND PLZ!!!
MEOWTH DAATS RIEGHT!!
The redesign looks great. When you are on the games or movie tabs, the sort for score doesn't seem to work, though this may be because votes and review scores are now compiled. But the plus side is I get to see things lower down in the scoring that I might have missed.
I'm very shocked to log back into the site to get some music and I find that the whole site has been redone
Nicely done guys, this new layout looks good and is really user friendly.
thanks for the sig Phobotech
problems: i cant play games or videos
i cant find user blogs
random set up spazzes (glitchey main menu for example)
things i find bad ass: everything else.
So Tom, can we get this back? I mean the "reply and quote" and "reply to thread" buttons? Im getting REAAAAAALY tired of having to delete walls of text just so I can reply.
When attempting to post in a thread the bold, emphasis, underline and link buttons don't work. They do absolutely nothing. They do glow when I hover over them however.
The new AP is a definitive improvement - finally I can credit my collaborators! It would still be nice to have playlists, though. Mini-players on user profiles would be awesome, too, but I don't want to get ahead of myself here.
Most recent release: [ Stephanie ]
GONNA TRY TO TACKLE THIS, PART 1:
At 22 minutes ago, CorpseGrinderClock wrote: Alright I just read the whole bloody thread (all 627 replies)
One of the things that bothers me the most is that almost all the positive stuff is along the lines ofAt 7 hours ago, TwistedPersonality wrote: The new level icons are SWEEEEET.
AND YOU FRIGGING ADDED THE :3 FOR THE BBS.
I'M GONNA DIE.
yea shut the F up guys be constructive
I don't really see anyone saying that things like navigation and function are improved at all, they're all saying how they like the colors and the icons and the sparkly nonsense.At 18 hours ago, InnerChild548 wrote: where's the mature section?
it's actually EASIER to find porn now, i been jacking all day sonnn
Credit where credit is due, damn proud of you cats for getting rid of this, good job it really is a step in the right dicec....At 18 hours ago, JoSilver wrote: OH god... For a sec there... I was afraid you guys got rid of this......oh. Never mind.
everything by everyone
Anyway, I'm not really seeing anyone talking about improvements in the function or the navigation, quite the opposite.
So Tom I noticed you've been responding to things and I only quoted criticisms you hadn't responded to yet that I personally agree with:At 14 minutes ago, ultimatum479 wrote: So, exactly when was having only pictures on each portal, instead of actual DESCRIPTIONS, a good thing? It's an improvement to have to click on every single game or video in order to know what you're getting into?
because nobody reads descriptions, and those who say they do are full of shit. there is NOBODY SITTING ON THE FRONT PAGE GOING: "Hmmm 'Tony and Jessica go for a walk in the park.' INTERESTING!" we live in an ADD driven society - 99% of the world clicks first and asks questions later. NO I DIDN'T RESEARCH but come on - the old way was nothing more than peripheral clutter. the limited descriptions for movies and games are bullshit either way - i don't see how "MR. FART GOES TO THE MALL AND FARTS" or "CAN U DEFEND PLANET EARTH FROM THE ALIEN?" has any relevance. either way, there's a change coming soonish to help make each submission more relevant, and another change if i can have my way later on. if anything, it needs TITLE, ETMA ratings and maybe the SCORE, not useless DESCRIPTION text. this is only MY opinion, of course.
At 19 hours ago, PoopyMcButt wrote: I don't care for the background art, i'd prefer something basic tbh.
this is opinion, not something that needs to be addressed
At 18 hours ago, jqzjqz wrote: I think the 'Classic Portal' deserves its own link in the navigation menu.
not happening, and thems the dice. it's still there, for those who sank into familiarity and can't figure out how to browse the site otherwise. besides, when lit comes, it'll only cramp shit further and make you hate the navigation that much more. the new way of handling shit will eventually prove it's usefulness.
it's funny how the people we kept the classic portal around for are the only ones bitching about it. it's not in the main nav, no - but it's still up there TWICE, and you can access it just as fast as you could on the previous design (half a second slower when you consider the hover) BUT IT'S STILL ONE CLICK, SO THE ARGUMENT IS POINTLESS
either way lemme ask you - as a content creator, which one of the following do you feel would bring your production more traffic, from a general, global audience?
CLASSIC PORTAL > Your Movie
MOVIES > Your Movie
what the hell is a classic portal? if you really get to thinking about it, the term 'portal', although coined by us, probably did more harm than good when it came to general understanding. if you're just talking about ADDING it and not replacing it, that would just further confuse people and clutter the nav - everyone's gonna wonder why there's duplicate methods to handling submissions, why some submissions are over there, while the same ones are over there, why don't we just pick one way, yadda yadda. we can't pick one way, because we want a world where movies, games, art, and audio get the individual prominence they deserve, as opposed to them all being thrown into the same dumpster.
but yeah, lets add it - that way i get to hear 'the nav was already complicated - NOW IT'S MORE COMPLICATED!' lose lose, man.
At 18 hours ago, DancingTomato wrote: This reminds me a lot of Josh Bend's old site Retrogade.
wasn't retrogade based around NG's design first? just...orange and green? COULDA SWORE! either way, i'd love to see a screenshot, cause as far as i can remember, that shit was a hot, tacky mess that looked AND worked like a pile of broken nerf guns. p.s. fuck josh bend, he drinks pee for breakfast
At 15 hours ago, Andragon wrote: Hovering over submissions in the portal used to give me a quick snapshot. Right now all it shows is the ratings.
this could be cool to re-add - that flew under the radar during development, and i dunno how. i'll mock something up to put it back. although, developing a feature for a section of the site that people will continue to use less and less seems like a waste of time...you could argue that they're using it less because of less FLASH PORTAL prominence, but i honestly think it would have phased itself out naturally, either way.
BUT IT'S NG'S LEGACY, YOU CANNNNNN'TTTTT DO ITTTTTTTTTT!!!
At 13 hours ago, richmansgirl wrote: I liked it better when all my info/stats were on my 1 userpage.
though it's not immediately clear, this was done to make each section more...sectiony. for example, if you visit someone's GAME page, personal stats have no business there. the only shit that should be there is GAME related shit. so you'll see their game trophy list, and other GAME-related-shits-n-stats, specific to that user, maybe put medals earned there, as well. (we haven't fully fleshed this one out yet.)
this is also the start of a larger plan to make the STATS page more comprehensive and important per-user. (both personally AS the user, and for visitors). that kinda data eventually won't fit into a lil' sidebar-box. i'll talk to tom about adding some quickstats to the MAIN tab - level, rank, yadda yadda, i can see that coming in handy.
At 8 hours ago, razorbladesigh wrote: the main/community page backgrounds make us look like a 13 year old hangout.
again, opinion (and 15 year old, MINIMUM)
Accurate though it may be, I prefer moving towards progress.At 7 hours ago, shenzu wrote: I don't know why you had to separate the games from the movies. It was very obvious before which one was which by just looking to the left of the title and looking at the symbol.
i personally prefer it this way. in addition to what i said above, (prominence to each form of media), one of the biggest problems with the old way was that movies and games (rather, the producers of said movies and games) weren't really getting much of a fair shake. for one example, let's say Abobo's Butt Storm or whatever the fuck was my favorite game on NG - well nobody would really know that if movies were the spotlight of my favorites. why the hell are they clumped together? if i'm in the mood to watch a movie, why the fuck is this site filling my eyeballs with game options? it's hard to see at first, but over time i feel like the seperation will do us good, allowing for authors to shine where they're best at.
either way, a game or movie submitted to NG won't always be flash, keep that in mind. clumping them together used to work just fine, but you gotta roll with the times...there's lots of ways to make games, and a VIDEO in the FLASH portal seems a little silly - from a viewing AND submission standpoint.
p.s. MOVIES and GAMES are a little more explanitory than FLASH - i'd wager there's still a lot of people on the internet who search for MOVIES when they're looking for something to watch.
p.i.s.s. and no, the shitty dark gray icons i designed last time were easily overlooked. i rarely if ever play games on ng, so it wasted my time when i accidently pulled one up - WHICH WAS CONSTANTLY.
so yeah, games shouldn't be thrown together with movies, in my opinion. i mean why stop there, throw all the art and audio in there as well, make shit even harder to find. I'D LOVE TO GO PLAY A GAME AND ACCIDENTLY PULL UP SOMEONE'S SHITTY SONIC THE HEDGEHOG DUBSTEP REMIX.
and you know - a lot of game makers get pissy when they're beat out by a porno cartoon on the same day. and vice versa. NOW the best GAMES compete with GAMES. same for MOVIES. food for thought...
IN SUMMARY: THAT'S THE WHITE DRINKING FOUNTAIN, THAT'S THE BLACK ONE, GET USED TO IT
At 7 hours ago, HeavyTank wrote: And about the userpage, it's not very good, practically speaking.
You have all the favorites, updates etc. on the right, but absolutely nothing on the left, so why did you put the stats on a separate page? Please put them back there, or at least give us an option to do so.
Now I have to switch pages every time I want to either look at my stats or just look at my BBS posts.
yeah we touched on that, more soon
And, speaking of switching pages, a separate page for submissions that are under judgment seems superfluous as well.Again, more clicking that could be avoided.
i am a little on the fence about how we handle this, as well...although i don't understand how it's any harder to access? "more clicking that can be avoided"? it goes like this:
nav hover > judgement page
nav hover > classic portal (which has judgement submissions)
if anything, there's more ways to access it, and it's just as easy as the old way. the only way to make it faster to access these would be by putting under judgement movies on index.html - please elaborate on why this is difficult, i don't fully understand what you mean here
At 4 hours ago, CommanderMeaty wrote: I feel like most of the layers are TOO big.
i don't understand what this means, either
my DICK is too big lmao
At 3 hours ago, nothere wrote: When voting there is no countdown to qualifying for experience points, nor is there a tally of points needed for the next level nor the blam boost to voting power. The message suggests that voting on over five entries will continue earning you experience points. There is no timer for the next vote day.
gotta add this, talking to tom now
My level avatar says "blank slate", whatever that means.
put something on your slate like everyone else did, dumdum
The submission sections with the large thumbs and teeny tiny rollover type are hard to understand and navigate.
^ yeah covered that ^
You have put a lot of work into this, for which you are to be commended, however, overall the site looks overproduced and out of control. I see that reviews are overall positive and with the necessity of use I'll settle in, but the re-do is a step back for usability.
i feel this is premature - although you may feel that way, think of someone who's not familiar with the site. or take me, for example - i've been here for 10+ years and every time i went to add a submission to my favorites, i had to look all over the damn page because it was always in a different place, or i forgot where it was. i've actually gone to add a few things to my favorites a few times, and just said FUCK IT and left - it was fucking infuriating. NOW, it's always in the same spot, regardless of the media type. little changes like this may annoy the person who's been using NG for a while, but help make the site more accessible for those who don't. am not done with this topic...will summarize at the end.
So for starts, the top navigation bar. It's called mystery meat navigation, and it's a bad idea. Yes I know Google did it, but one of the things we all liked about Google was the simple hyperlink-based navigation. Google fucked up doing this, I'd urge you not to make the same mistake.
i don't understand the correlation between our nav and google's, and i completely disagree with this here. granted, i designed it, so it sounds naturally biased, but (and believe me, i'm not trying to belittle you here) why is it hard to understand GAMES, MOVIES, AUDIO, ART, etc? click GAMES and you get everything GAMES - hover games and you get Latest, Greatest, Popular, GAMES. what's the problem you're having with the nav, exactly (BELITTLING YOU HERE >) THAT NOBODY ELSE SEEMS TO HAVE - honestly, elaborate
Form follows function is the way it should work, and decreasing the functionality to make it a teeny thing up at the top doesn't seem to be an improvement to me.
what teeny thing? are we talking about the same nav orrr...the small nav by your username when you're logged in?
(BOTH OF WHICH WORK FINE LOL)
And I notice that, despite all these unnecessary and unwanted changes that aren't particularly helpful, that other things that seem obvious that people have been wanting for years simply weren't added. For instance, a preview button, or the ability to choose where in your post an image is inserted.
understand that this release serves as more of a launching platform for future changes. that's the way i see it at least, and shit is a lot easier to manage now (for us, from a technical standpoint) (this is where you insert joke about being a lot harder for everyone else). yes, a lot of the development time went into rebuilding shit we already had. and have been using. since like, 1999. our core was pretty much re-worked from the ground up - now, that end of the development process obviously (and unfortunately) can't be reflected - but probably made up at least 75% of the time it took to complete. at no point did 'fuck the users, we're not adding anything they want' come up in conversation. i know you didn't say that, but a lot of people seem to feel like we gave them a big finger on shit they requested. i don't recall anyone renting a santa suit and aggreeing to address the wishlists of a million users. for the most part, they're all OUR wishes, too...but the foundation has to be solid before you build a house.
I'm up for change, and I appreciate that this site is your baby, but it seems like things were changed in a way that overcomplicated things without adding to functionality, added visual clutter, and got rid of stuff that looked and worked really well in favor of things that flat-out don't.
would like some 'really good vs flat-out' examples that aren't based around one person's opinion, comfortability with archaic methods, or someone who simply grew accustomed to an old way of doing something and refuses to accept the new way of doing it. nothing here is drastic. i especially love to read complaints from someone who preferred doing things the old way - when the old way was broken and unintuitive to begin with. change just annoys people.
with the additions we DID add vs. what was changed or moved around, i actually feel the useability is balanced with the old site - it's just as shitty and hard to use as it ever was, RIMSHOT. actually this one edges the old one out JUST a little bit (in a positive sense). man, regular or not...you cannot deny that the old site was a patchwork of broken features and crappy bullshit with duct tape slapped all over it. YOU CANNOT.
At 10 hours ago, theicecubeclock wrote: Good job with StrawberryClock on the movies page, however.
man fuck strawberry clock, that nagga can B my nuts
i didn't single you out to crack on you corpse, you're a good man - moreso clearing some shit up for a lot of people to read in one shotgun blast.
BUT in summary - a lot of people are panicking like this is the end-all, when it's really a humble begin-all. it's by no means perfect OR finished...nobody said it was, and i agree completely that:
- there's a lot of shit that needs to be added or adjusted. i got a wishlist of changes about 50 deep so far.
- some things can be difficult to use or understand at first.
- some people don't like the color pink. LOOKING AT THE COLOR PINK DOESN'T MAKE YOU GAY, TRUST ME, YOUR MOUTH WON'T WATER AT THE SIGHT OF DICKS AFTER BROWSING THE ART SECTION
- overall function leave much to be desired
- a-cup titties are just fine, they're still tits
everyone on staff knows that there's a lot wrong with the site as it stands - and every concern, bug report, and petty, backhanded remark has been read over twice and logged thrice, no joke. well, not the remarks, we're normally just like lol whatever fag shut up then high five
stick around, shit will start naturally evolve into something we can all agree on. that, or you'll eventually just get used to it (like you did with the old site). and hey, at the end of the day, it's still NG. kinda.
and yeah and you know what, a fucking preview button would be really nice, especially editing this shit, we really need opne - SEE I JUST MISSPELLED 'ONE' AND ALMOST MISSED IT
dictated and but not read
- yo mama
man you know what fuck you haters there's only like 4 of us working on this massive-ass site, WE AREN'T YOUTUBES, WE DON'T GOT LIKE 9000 EMPLOYEES AND BLOWJOB FRIDAY AND LIKE 4 OWNERS PLUS A FAGGOT CEO WITH A STUPID HAIRCUT well we have that last one lmfao KIDDING TOM YOUR HAIR IS NICE
p.s. the ceo of DA doesn't like girls he only likes men he told me that like 4 times, he also told me his dick is curly like a pig tail
I know a lot of people are QQ-ing over the redesign, but the level icons are what I really miss; I know they aren't all that important, but they kind of summed up Newgrounds for me, and without that it seems like I'm not even on the same Newgrounds anymore, I also agree that there should be flash descriptions and whatnot, It kinda sucks not being able to know what you're getting into.
The design is enjoyable, yet the only thing that annoys me is the square ad on top of the "rate this submission" bar. I liked it better when the author information came before it. It just seems like an unnecessary place to put it.
How do you turn off the under review notice that appears before flashes that are still under judgement? Makes an absurdly annoying sound until you click the "understood" button, which is further compounded if you happen to be like me and prefer opening multiple under review flashes at once and watch them in order.
It says right underneath that it can be turned off in our configuration page (an admission that whoever tested it must've realized that it was a stupid idea to have in the first place, so why even have it?), but nothing I change stops it from appearing.
I have requests for the project system: I'd like somewhere within the project where you can communicate with the members of your project. That way, you can have a 3+ way conversation. Almost like a chat room. I'd also like to be able to post up raw materials there. Images, sound bites, bits of code, etc. I understand that there's the ability to do those things already, with the PM system and DumpingGrounds, but I'd be much more streamlined if it was ALL in the projects page.
Is that feasible?