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Response to Military Crew 2009-10-05 14:50:42 Reply

At 10/5/09 02:47 AM, SpiffyMasta wrote: I'll tell you why the Marines are better
I just got back from working an almost 15 hour day

Lolwut? Haha. How've you been man? Nice to see you back around these parts. We gots us an Air Force representative now. Haha. Anyways Eman, As the DA for the United States Army in this thread, I'll release this statement for you to ponder. Every morning (5:15) we get into a row of 4 formations. like this.
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1 for each of the 4 platoons, and the First Sergeant stands in the front. Well then they call all the formations together, which means me, being all the way on the left, has to walk my happy ass all the way to the right, so we now look like this.
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Then, in order for us to stretch, we have to spread out to arms width so we have room to do jumping jacks, cherry pickers, and all manner of synchronized, degrading exercises that make you feel like you're part of a broadway musical. So the people that just walked all the way to the right now turn around, and walk right back to where they came from. WHY EMAN? WHY THE FUCK WOULD WE WALK 100 YARDS IN ONE DIRECTION, THEN TURN AROUND AND WALK RIGHT THE FUCK BACK? IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY GODDAMN SENSE!!!

This, is a metaphor for the way the Army is run. Their priorities are so completely out of whack, it's retarded. You will spend a lot of time cleaning things you don't use, landscaping work areas that you don't give a shit about, and overall just being surrounded by an aura of gayness thicker than one at a male strip club in San Francisco. Then, when you get off work, you go to the barracks which we affectionately refer to as PRISON, WHERE YOU'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO CLEAN MORE! It's great!

All in all, I wouldn't recommend anyone join the Army unless they've really got nowhere else to turn. If you need money for college and all that, Try the National Guard or listen to what Spiffy says and see if that floats your boat. But as far as the army goes, that goatse picture doesn't even do justice to how pillaged and abused your rectum by the time your contract expires. JOIN NOW!

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Response to Military Crew 2009-10-05 14:53:17 Reply

Dammit. My little diagrams didn't work. :( Oh well, you get the idea I think. Haha.

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Response to Military Crew 2009-10-05 15:18:52 Reply

At 10/5/09 02:53 PM, michelinman wrote: Dammit. My little diagrams didn't work. :( Oh well, you get the idea I think. Haha.

Yea, a great DA you make!

HA HA

I rest my case.

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Response to Military Crew 2009-10-06 11:24:28 Reply

Here are a few sites that will offer some helpful info in your decision. The key is research, there is alot of mis-information that goes on while your in the military (so called LCpl Underground) and people tend to make up info on the spot. I did over a year of research on what I wanted to do and so far, I've been surprised very little times. Remember this isn't a job where you can come and go as you please, the military will own you for at least four years and they will demand alot out of you. But if you apply yourself and put forth the extra effort, you can get alot form the military in terms of the benefits they offer.

As for my personal experience, I love it I get to work on huge helicopters everyday, my command is really chill, so they don't give me too many headaches and best of all, I have a chow hall only 50 ft away.

http://www.marines.com/
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http://www.goarmy.com/#/?marquee=vw&chan nel=careers
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http://www.military.com/
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/joiningth emilitary/Joining_the_United_States_Mili tary.htm
http://www.militaryspot.com/

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Response to Military Crew 2009-10-06 12:05:52 Reply

Hey was just peaking about when I saw this.

Cpl in the Canadian Army.
My trade is Infantry.
Just got back from a tour in Afghanistan.
Yes, I am a female, I am still able to do my job quite well.

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Response to Military Crew 2009-10-06 13:50:53 Reply

At 10/6/09 12:05 PM, sinfulwolf wrote: Hey was just peaking about when I saw this.

Cpl in the Canadian Army.
My trade is Infantry.
Just got back from a tour in Afghanistan.
Yes, I am a female, I am still able to do my job quite well.

They have females in Infantry in the Canadian Army?? Holy shit. Fucking Canadians.

I'll have to tell Krev, she wanted to be infantry, but here no females allowed.

You're more than welcome to join us, I would love the insight of a woman on these matters.

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Response to Military Crew 2009-10-06 15:02:57 Reply

At 10/6/09 01:50 PM, SpiffyMasta wrote:
They have females in Infantry in the Canadian Army?? Holy shit. Fucking Canadians.

I'll have to tell Krev, she wanted to be infantry, but here no females allowed.

You're more than welcome to join us, I would love the insight of a woman on these matters.

Indeed. Women are allowed into the combat arms trades in the Canadian military.

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Response to Military Crew 2009-10-06 22:37:05 Reply

At 10/6/09 03:02 PM, sinfulwolf wrote:
At 10/6/09 01:50 PM, SpiffyMasta wrote:
They have females in Infantry in the Canadian Army?? Holy shit. Fucking Canadians.

I'll have to tell Krev, she wanted to be infantry, but here no females allowed.

You're more than welcome to join us, I would love the insight of a woman on these matters.
Indeed. Women are allowed into the combat arms trades in the Canadian military.

That is awesome. Submarines are just now starting to allow women to serve on board and the Marines have implemented all female patrols in Afghanistan to build relations with the local populace. So our women to face danger, they just can't go straight up infantry, which I'm sure is purly political.

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Response to Military Crew 2009-10-06 23:02:45 Reply

At 10/6/09 10:37 PM, KennyD wrote:
That is awesome. Submarines are just now starting to allow women to serve on board and the Marines have implemented all female patrols in Afghanistan to build relations with the local populace. So our women to face danger, they just can't go straight up infantry, which I'm sure is purly political.

There's no all female patrols in Afghanistan. There's special patrols that they send out that have women, so that the women there can feel more comfortable, because they aren't suppose to speak to men usually because of their culture.

Women in infantry isn't something purely political, mostly they don't want women in infantry, because most wouldn't cut it and they feel it would be too much of a distraction. Especially in the Marine Corps, the training for infantry is one of the hardest out there. I'm sure there may be a few women who might be able to make it, but they don't want to waste money in trying to train women that won't make it. It's a non-deniable fact that most men are stronger than most women... not to be a knock on anyone. There's always exceptions to the rules though... so don't hold this as absolutely true either. Obviously we have a female with us that's in infantry, but I have no idea how the Canadian Army infantry works...

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Response to Military Crew 2009-10-07 02:34:56 Reply

This seems like an interesting crew, I don't have any intention to join the military when I'm older though I think I'll link it into my signature still just to keep you guys alive.

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Response to Military Crew 2009-10-07 04:02:11 Reply

At 10/7/09 02:34 AM, FurryDemon wrote: This seems like an interesting crew, I don't have any intention to join the military when I'm older though I think I'll link it into my signature still just to keep you guys alive.

??? because this club would certainly die out without a link in your sig...i appreciate you trying to "look out" for us, but we have enough active members to keep this club going. it may not be posting multiple pages everyday, but thats because this club isnt full of a bunch of people talking about random things that have nothing to do with the club itself. we stay on topic. this is a club to assist people who are interested in joining the military make the best decision, or just for anyone with a military related question/story...if you dont have any interest in the military then thanks but no thanks...

A little self absorbed to assume youd be doing us a favor with a little link in your signature...just sayin'...

...i've been here a while...

This is my awesome new sig...Do you like it?

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Response to Military Crew 2009-10-07 12:27:41 Reply

Leaving for Boot Camp on Sunday.

Arriving at Boot Camp on Tuesday.

Any tips on how to make it a pleasant 3 months? You know, how not to screw up and get quarter-decked, that stuff.


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Response to Military Crew 2009-10-07 16:31:11 Reply

At 10/7/09 12:27 PM, TehreTard wrote: Leaving for Boot Camp on Sunday.

Arriving at Boot Camp on Tuesday.

Any tips on how to make it a pleasant 3 months? You know, how not to screw up and get quarter-decked, that stuff.

Fly low. Under the radar. Don't volunteer for such great positions as squad leader or even worse, guide. unless you think you really know what you're doing haha.

A great position to volunteer for is Scribe. If they ask who knows how to use a computer well or how to write well raise your hand. You'll have some extra tasks to do, but you will probably get to make the fire watch list, which can be the greatest thing ever for you.

Just remember to never take anything personal. Drill instructors are there to make your life a living hell so to speak. You will never be able to avoid getting trashed, either as a platoon or individually. While you can avoid the quarter deck, you most likely won't, but you certainly won't avoid having the drill instructors mess with the whole group. No matter how fast or how perfect you do things, they will always find something wrong to mess with you.

Also, always listen, and do exactly as they tell you. Don't try to take any initiative to do anything extra. Take everything they say to the letter, nothing more, nothing less. You're not there to think for yourself, you're there to learn to listen to every command and execute with extreme precision.

Hopefully, you'll notice there's always someone stupider than you who will fuck up, I just hope you don't end up being one of the shitbags. But if you have a good head on your shoulders, it won't be as hard as it sounds. I'll see you on the other side recruit.

Oh and if you have a girlfriend, make sure to let her know to write you every day. You get to send out a letter with your address once you get there, so do that. You'll love getting those once you're in. I thought I would hate it, but I loved getting my letters (they distribute almost every day).

Get plenty of rest on the plane, you might not sleep for a while once you get there, you'll be up all night processing in and getting to a processing platoon. If you get there on Tuesday you'll be with that platoon until the following Friday which is when you'll start with your actual platoon and drill instructors (known as black friday). Depending on the DIs, it might be one of your worst days ever haha.

But yea, have fun, it's not as bad as it sounds, and I'll see you on the other side recruit. Hopefully they make you a man and I'll be proud to call you a brother.

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Response to Military Crew 2009-10-07 16:59:10 Reply

Boot camp is more of a mental game than anything else. If you don't want to get messed with, just stay low, don't bring attention to yourself, and just do what your told. If you do volunteer for something, you'll get messed with, but there are benefits, such as no fire watch, higher chance of getting promoted at the end of boot camp and a jump on building those leadership skills.
The quarterdeck is something you can't avoid, I found myself on it quite a few times, so I learned to love it, its the best workouts I ever got while I was there and eventually it couldn't be used as punishment against me because I enjoyed it too much. Speaking of workouts, once you get free time ask you senior DI for a workout program and slay yourself for 30 minutes every day. Save writing for when you wake up to take that midnight dump or piss (drink 2 canteens of water before bed) If you have a girlfriend, good luck with that, 2/3 of my platoon got dear john letters, including me. The two biggest things are drill and rifle range. Your DI's want those two trophies and winning them may earn you a call home, and make the most of every opportunity to practice your drill and your rifle positions, it'll pay of later. Another thing is mark everything and don't get attached to anything but your money/valuables bag. At any given time, everything can be thrown into the middle of the squad bay and you end up with nothing thats yours. But at the end, its worth it, getting my eagle, globe and anchor was one of the best days of my life, and looking back on bootcamp, you'll strangely enjoy it.

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Response to Military Crew 2009-10-07 17:43:49 Reply

At 10/6/09 11:02 PM, SpiffyMasta wrote:
At 10/6/09 10:37 PM, KennyD wrote:
That is awesome. Submarines are just now starting to allow women to serve on board and the Marines have implemented all female patrols in Afghanistan to build relations with the local populace. So our women to face danger, they just can't go straight up infantry, which I'm sure is purly political.
There's no all female patrols in Afghanistan. There's special patrols that they send out that have women, so that the women there can feel more comfortable, because they aren't suppose to speak to men usually because of their culture.

Women in infantry isn't something purely political, mostly they don't want women in infantry, because most wouldn't cut it and they feel it would be too much of a distraction. Especially in the Marine Corps, the training for infantry is one of the hardest out there. I'm sure there may be a few women who might be able to make it, but they don't want to waste money in trying to train women that won't make it. It's a non-deniable fact that most men are stronger than most women... not to be a knock on anyone. There's always exceptions to the rules though... so don't hold this as absolutely true either. Obviously we have a female with us that's in infantry, but I have no idea how the Canadian Army infantry works...

I've never ever heard of all female patrols. Since we have women in the infantry up here in the north though, its easy enough to bring a female on patrol to search and talk with the local females.

Also, I take no offense from your statements. I'm fully aware men are generally stronger than females, and most women wouldn't be able to do this job. Some can though, myself included. I was one of three women in my company overseas.

I also can's really compare our training to the Americans because I've had very little experience with American training. Especially Marine Corps.

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Response to Military Crew 2009-10-07 17:55:46 Reply

Hey guys, back with a few more questions.

I've pretty much made up my mind that I'm going army, preferably going to Rangers and hopefully (I stress that) getting into Delta. So I know that I'll be doing that once I get out of school.

I was just wondering, since this seems sort of related, if you guys knew of any gunsmithing schools anywhere, or if the Army could provide something like that for me. I'm becoming increasingly interested in building weapons and ammunition and have some ideas that I think would be good, but I can't find any reliable school or programs and there's a scarce amount of gunsmiths around here in Kansas.

Sorry if this is a bad question, thank you for your time regardless.


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Response to Military Crew 2009-10-08 10:52:37 Reply

At 10/7/09 05:55 PM, Chymeraxe wrote: Hey guys, back with a few more questions.

I've pretty much made up my mind that I'm going army, preferably going to Rangers and hopefully (I stress that) getting into Delta. So I know that I'll be doing that once I get out of school.

Well you definitely set your goals high, and Delta can certainly go this the best of them, just remember to keep to your goals, and you eventually reach them.


I was just wondering, since this seems sort of related, if you guys knew of any gunsmithing schools anywhere, or if the Army could provide something like that for me. I'm becoming increasingly interested in building weapons and ammunition and have some ideas that I think would be good, but I can't find any reliable school or programs and there's a scarce amount of gunsmiths around here in Kansas.

The closest thing to gunsmithing I can think of is getting a job as an armorer. You repair and maintain all the guns and all related components in the armory. If your going to be a Ranger then move on up, you need to sign up as Infantry though. As far as information into being a gunsmith, I would contact the NRA, and maybe large gun manufactures like Smith & Wesson, Remington, Kimber, Colt, etc.


Sorry if this is a bad question, thank you for your time regardless.

On a side note, and I'm plugging the Marines here, you can sign up as an Armor in the Marine Corps then after your reach the rank of Corporal, you can apply to transfer to MARSOC, which is the Corps Special Forces, (Force Recon is advanced Infantry training whereas MARSOC is something completely different btw) but as with anything in the Marines, nothing is guaranteed. So if you happen to change your mind, be careful.

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Response to Military Crew 2009-10-08 23:20:35 Reply

I have some curiosities that I'm sure you guys can answer.

How do the reserves work with going overseas in the U.S.? I know its different than up here in Canada, where a reservist is augmented into a regular force unit. I heard though the the American's send over Reservists in their own groups. Was just wondering if that was true.

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Response to Military Crew 2009-10-08 23:28:26 Reply

At 10/8/09 11:20 PM, sinfulwolf wrote: I have some curiosities that I'm sure you guys can answer.

How do the reserves work with going overseas in the U.S.? I know its different than up here in Canada, where a reservist is augmented into a regular force unit. I heard though the the American's send over Reservists in their own groups. Was just wondering if that was true.

Well, it's half true.

Both situations are possible. There are a lot of reservists that are sent out to join regular forces, to augment and fill certain billets as may be necessary. But a situation where a whole battalion of reservist marines gets activated for deployment is also possible.

Basically this means if you want to deploy and you're in the reserves, you can do so more easily than being active, because you're not attached to a particular unit that may be non deployable, and you can just join up to any unit deploying that needs the extra people.

I think that should answer your question.

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Response to Military Crew 2009-10-08 23:58:33 Reply

At 10/8/09 10:52 AM, KennyD wrote:
At 10/7/09 05:55 PM, Chymeraxe wrote: Hey guys, back with a few more questions.

I've pretty much made up my mind that I'm going army, preferably going to Rangers and hopefully (I stress that) getting into Delta. So I know that I'll be doing that once I get out of school.

Ranger Bat is definitely the way to go if you're trying to get into Delta, but make sure you have a back up plan. It's going to take SEVERAL years of busting your ass in Ranger Bat to even get a chance at a slot for Delta, upon which time you've got over a years worth of torture to look forward to. Literally, torture. SERE school is one of several phases that you must complete to move on. I would just aim for Ranger Bat for right now and take it one step at a time, as the Q course for Ranger Bat has about a 60 percent drop out rate by itself.


I was just wondering, since this seems sort of related, if you guys knew of any gunsmithing schools anywhere, or if the Army could provide something like that for me. I'm becoming increasingly interested in building weapons and ammunition and have some ideas that I think would be good, but I can't find any reliable school or programs and there's a scarce amount of gunsmiths around here in Kansas.
The closest thing to gunsmithing I can think of is getting a job as an armorer. You repair and maintain all the guns and all related components in the armory. If your going to be a Ranger then move on up, you need to sign up as Infantry though. As far as information into being a gunsmith, I would contact the NRA, and maybe large gun manufactures like Smith & Wesson, Remington, Kimber, Colt, etc.

Don't answer a question if you're not sure about it Kenny. You can get a slot for RIP so long as you have the MOS's 11B, 11C, 25F, 68W, 92 alpha or bravo. I THINK it was alpha though. And that's off the top of my head from when I went through. Your recruiter would be able to tell you more. Also, there is a job that is specifically gun repair but I forget which one it is. I'll ask at work tomorrow and give you an answer. If you have any questions about going ranger though, let me know. I graduated that shit. I can give you a walkthrough of basic through airborne and rip. :P

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Response to Military Crew 2009-10-09 07:53:28 Reply

At 10/8/09 11:28 PM, SpiffyMasta wrote:

I think that should answer your question.

It does. That sounds similar to our own situation up here. Thanks.

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At 10/8/09 11:58 PM, michelinman wrote:

Literally, torture. SERE school is one of several phases that you must complete to move on.

I can attest to that first hand. SERE school is a bitch.

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Response to Military Crew 2009-10-09 15:57:00 Reply

At 10/9/09 01:08 PM, KennyD wrote:
At 10/8/09 11:58 PM, michelinman wrote:
Literally, torture. SERE school is one of several phases that you must complete to move on.

I can attest to that first hand. SERE school is a bitch.

Agreed. Then they go on and say water boarding shouldn't be used as an interrogation technique against terrorists.

I'm pretty sure we do it VOLUNTARILY bitches.

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Response to Military Crew 2009-10-09 17:00:30 Reply

Thanks for the tips and advice, Spiff and Kenny. I think Scribe will be the only thing I'll ever volunteer for. My friend, who just became a Marine, advised me to buy duct tape to mark all my crap. I can see why now, although I still don't get why you have put everyone's stuff in the middle of the room.

Oh yeah, FINALLY med inspect for MEPS today... EUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUURGH

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Meh, it isn't really going to matter if your shit is marked. I've still got stuff that is marked with other peoples names and I've got one ACU top that has my name marked on it. People are gonna grab what they can and move on regardless, because you're going to get like 10 seconds to clean all the shit up. Just do what you can to keep the right number of shit.

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At 10/9/09 05:00 PM, TehreTard wrote: Thanks for the tips and advice, Spiff and Kenny. I think Scribe will be the only thing I'll ever volunteer for. My friend, who just became a Marine, advised me to buy duct tape to mark all my crap. I can see why now, although I still don't get why you have put everyone's stuff in the middle of the room.

Oh yeah, FINALLY med inspect for MEPS today... EUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUURGH

To us it was called a tornado, it seems while your in bootcamp everybody tends to lose thier shit and simple things become ridiculously hard. Basically what happens is that the DI's make you pick up your warbag, empty it at your feet then they come around kicking it all over the place, then they make you pick up your shoes and throw them across deck, you pick up your footlocker and perform rifle drill with it and pretty much everything you own falls out all over the place. Meanwhile recruits are getting IT'd on the quarterdeck, your trying to run from the back of the squadbay to the front in 2 seconds, other DI's form other platoons jump in on the action. Just basically chaos all around and good times.

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Response to Military Crew 2009-10-09 22:15:12 Reply

At 10/9/09 06:47 PM, KennyD wrote:
To us it was called a tornado, it seems while your in bootcamp everybody tends to lose thier shit and simple things become ridiculously hard. Basically what happens is that the DI's make you pick up your warbag, empty it at your feet then they come around kicking it all over the place, then they make you pick up your shoes and throw them across deck, you pick up your footlocker and perform rifle drill with it and pretty much everything you own falls out all over the place. Meanwhile recruits are getting IT'd on the quarterdeck, your trying to run from the back of the squadbay to the front in 2 seconds, other DI's form other platoons jump in on the action. Just basically chaos all around and good times.

Yea, it's pretty much a staple of Marine Corps boot camp. Whatever you like to call it, and whatever you dump out, it'll happen. We had to empty our seabags, that we had just stuffed to breaking point to head over to Camp Pendleton, in the middle, then everyone runs around it like you run around the squad bay for nightly turnover/inspection. You lose most of your shit. I ended up with a bunch of nasty underwear that wasn't mine, that was the worst part for me ha ha.

Don't use duct tape unless they tell you to. I never even touched duct tape. The only thing you label with is recruit tape. It's basically white medical tape.

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Response to Military Crew 2009-10-09 23:16:02 Reply

I just use black marker to label my kit. Works well enough.

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Response to Military Crew 2009-10-10 14:42:02 Reply

Ah, good ol' recruit tape. Sinful Wolf, we did get stamping kits and everything is marked, but when you have 10 seconds to get everything in your footlockers, what belongs to who isn't a big priority. We developed a system at night where everything was returned to his proper owner, especially underwear.

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Response to Military Crew 2009-10-11 09:41:25 Reply

True enough I suppose. And Underwear is important, cause if you get someone else's that's a size too small... no fun.