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Response to Military Crew 2010-07-08 08:38:22 Reply

I was in JROTC when they had it in my high school, I might do military if I can get into special forces.


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Response to Military Crew 2010-07-08 13:23:35 Reply

At 6/18/10 11:57 PM, Ryan wrote:
I suppose, though I only have about two months left until my ship date. Guess I won't have as much to chat about until afterwards as well.

Ah, I see. What branch?

At 6/20/10 05:22 AM, Ursiruss wrote: Hey there Enlisted about a month ago I'm shipping out for Army BT in September Heading for Ft. Benning so wish me luck I'll keep in touch as the days go by.
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Response to Military Crew 2010-07-08 13:27:08 Reply

At 7/8/10 01:23 PM, SpiffyMasta wrote:
At 6/18/10 11:57 PM, Ryan wrote:
I suppose, though I only have about two months left until my ship date. Guess I won't have as much to chat about until afterwards as well.
Ah, I see. What branch?

At 6/20/10 05:22 AM, Ursiruss wrote: Hey there Enlisted about a month ago I'm shipping out for Army BT in September Heading for Ft. Benning so wish me luck I'll keep in touch as the days go by.

Damn I accidentally hit the post it button without being done haha.

Good luck Ursiruss, I don't know much about Army basic training, just that it's pretty short and not too difficult hahaha.

At 7/6/10 12:24 PM, AcidEthereal wrote: Im a veteran of OIF. A corpsman who was with 1st battalion 2nd marines. I am actually looking for help.

Thanks guys

Great to have you here brother, I have mad respect for corpsman, you guys are insane and amazing. There might be some people here who can help, I know I have no skills whatsover in web site designing, so I can't be of any help, sorry.

At 7/8/10 08:38 AM, I-RULE-OVER-ALL wrote: I was in JROTC when they had it in my high school, I might do military if I can get into special forces.

From what I know about special forces, it's not necessarily something you can get in from the getco, you join the military, then you might get a shot at special forces.

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Response to Military Crew 2010-07-08 15:12:15 Reply

for speacial forces you got to got to have a high Phys record do a mental health test, have to be rank E5 and have 2 years under your belt no Criminal or administrative action took against you. then you get the training that weeds out the weak.


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Response to Military Crew 2010-07-08 20:09:47 Reply

At 7/8/10 03:12 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: for speacial forces you got to got to have a high Phys record do a mental health test, have to be rank E5 and have 2 years under your belt no Criminal or administrative action took against you. then you get the training that weeds out the weak.

I'm working on physical strength, I'm pretty strong mentally, (all the blood and gore in the world doesn't really bother me, and I can balance my emotions and logic, I study psychology, and gnosticism(an esoteric "spiritual philosophy" (I don't feel like getting into detail))) and I have no criminal record, but I don't really think I'll go into military, the only reason it interest me is the training, I'm a marital arts enthusiast, I'd rather not attach myself to a country, or government.

I will most likely just work my way into law school, and work from home, somewhere in the desert spending as much time I can on my four loves, Gnosticism, alchemy, psychology, and martial arts.


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Response to Military Crew 2010-07-08 20:32:14 Reply

but the only real thing I have a problem with special fores is that they have been known to break international Laws. and all the government does is use plausable deniability.


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Response to Military Crew 2010-07-09 23:34:20 Reply

At 7/8/10 08:32 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: but the only real thing I have a problem with special fores is that they have been known to break international Laws. and all the government does is use plausable deniability.

That's what they're for. To do the dirty work the government needs doing, while the army itself represents the nation proper.

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Response to Military Crew 2010-07-13 10:31:48 Reply

At 7/8/10 01:23 PM, SpiffyMasta wrote:
At 6/18/10 11:57 PM, Ryan wrote:
I suppose, though I only have about two months left until my ship date. Guess I won't have as much to chat about until afterwards as well.
Ah, I see. What branch?

Army. I'm actually going to Fort Benning same as Usiruss though late august. Small world?

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Response to Military Crew 2010-07-14 12:00:54 Reply

At 7/13/10 10:31 AM, Ryan wrote: Army. I'm actually going to Fort Benning same as Usiruss though late august. Small world?

Infantry or just basic then leave for AIT?

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Response to Military Crew 2010-07-14 16:05:52 Reply

At 7/9/10 11:34 PM, sinfulwolf wrote:
At 7/8/10 08:32 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: but the only real thing I have a problem with special fores is that they have been known to break international Laws. and all the government does is use plausable deniability.
That's what they're for. To do the dirty work the government needs doing, while the army itself represents the nation proper.

still don't like it though and there is so much hype about them what they fuck do they have thats so much better than a little bit of extra training?


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Response to Military Crew 2010-07-15 02:16:04 Reply

At 7/14/10 04:05 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:
At 7/9/10 11:34 PM, sinfulwolf wrote:
At 7/8/10 08:32 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: but the only real thing I have a problem with special fores is that they have been known to break international Laws. and all the government does is use plausable deniability.
That's what they're for. To do the dirty work the government needs doing, while the army itself represents the nation proper.
still don't like it though and there is so much hype about them what they fuck do they have thats so much better than a little bit of extra training?

It would depend on what special forces group you're talking about. Higher tier groups have more and more training, and damn good equipment.

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Response to Military Crew 2010-07-15 06:24:30 Reply

At 7/15/10 02:16 AM, sinfulwolf wrote:
It would depend on what special forces group you're talking about. Higher tier groups have more and more training, and damn good equipment.

the US has a few the Regular response team for special ocassions then there are Rangers, Airborne, Airborne Rangers, SEALS, DELTA FORCE and couple others.


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Response to Military Crew 2010-07-15 10:55:14 Reply

At 7/15/10 06:24 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:

the US has a few the Regular response team for special ocassions then there are Rangers, Airborne, Airborne Rangers, SEALS, DELTA FORCE and couple others.

Groups like the Rangers and Airborne are on a lower tier than the SEALs and Delta Force. Yes Rangers are elite, and have more training, but they still don't stack up against higher tier groups like the SEALs. Not that I know much about Ranger and SEAL training, but I'm assuming it's much like the Canadian CSOR and JTF2 groups.

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Response to Military Crew 2010-07-16 09:01:08 Reply

At 7/15/10 10:55 AM, sinfulwolf wrote: Groups like the Rangers and Airborne are on a lower tier than the SEALs and Delta Force. Yes Rangers are elite, and have more training, but they still don't stack up against higher tier groups like the SEALs. Not that I know much about Ranger and SEAL training, but I'm assuming it's much like the Canadian CSOR and JTF2 groups.

As a former Ranger, I resent this post, but I think I can provide some information for you guys to clear this up. The way the U.S. Army works is Infantry < Airborne Infantry < Ranger Infantry < Special Forces Operational Detachment Alpha < Special Forces Operational Detachment Delta. Infantry and Airborne Infantry are your run of the mill soldiers. They go on year long deployments once every couple years and spend the time doing various forms of Military Police work. Patrols, low level raids, things of that nature. The only real difference between an Airborne and a leg (non-airborne) unit is that they are qualified to jump out of planes. This tactic died out a long time ago and is more of a title now than anything, so the work of the units is virtually the same.

The next step up is Ranger Infantry. Yes, they are the lowest tier of the SOCOM community, but they are the initial stepping stone to higher levels of special forces. They are comparable to the Marine Corps Force Recon. Other than highly specialized deployments like Somalia and Panama, where a large number of extremely well trained troops were needed, Ranger Battalion mostly handles outer cordons for Delta Force raids and providing elite support for Infantry and POG patrols.

This is the only SOCOM unit you can join at the age of 18, so if you're looking to get into SF fresh out of high school, going to R.I.P. (Ranger Indoctrination Program) to get into the unit is a must. SF never pulls out of standard line units like Airborne and leg infantry. You're still eligible to try out to go to the Q course, but typically you'll get peered out if you pass. At the end of the course, everyone has to vote for people that they think don't deserve to be in the unit. Needless to say, the less experienced, more policeman like soldiers are the first to go.

Then there is SFOD-A. This is the "Green Berets" you hear about. This force was primarily started during Vietnam to recruit and train the indigenous mountain tribes to fight, that way the U.S. could use propaganda to garner public support around their local people instead of foreign soldiers who invaded. Worked like a charm, and that is primarily their job in Afghanistan and Iraq to this day. It's not guns a-blazin, raid every day, break all the laws you want because you're untouchable type thing that it's made out to be.

SEALS are below this level in my eyes. They're tough dudes, don't get me wrong. I met a few trainees in Airborne School. But as a part of the Navy, the Admirals and fellow officers in charge of them really don't know how to use them that well. They're kind of like men amongst boys. They've also got a big ego problem. There was a fight during the invasion of Afghanistan called Operation Anaconda where the Taliban were imbedded in tunnels in a mountain called Takur Ghar. When the bombs would drop, they'd dig in, suffer few casualties, then pop back out and fire at the ascending forces. They were well covered in the surrounding area as well.

The Air Force Commander in charge of the seal teams wanted to send them to the top of a nearby mountain to set up an observation point, despite predator drones and even an AC-130 in the airspace. There was no tactical use in the seals going there. Army Rangers and Special Forces warned the seals that the valley they wished to fly through was a prime RPG spot and they shouldn't go. But they went anyways, and upon landing were lit up by RPG fire, and two of the guys on the team who were far too Rambo to be wearing seat belts fell out of the bird as it flew away. Then they left the mess for the army to clean up. Rangers and SF went in to try and find the guys, losing several soldiers and removing men from the heart of the fight looking for someone who shouldn't even be out there. There's a ton of instances like this out there. I've got respect for what seals go through, but I don't have respect for what they do.

Then what SFOD-D, or Delta Force does is anyones guess. You're unlikely to find out unless you're a member of it. The government still does not acknowledge they exist. They're the true badasses.

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Response to Military Crew 2010-07-16 10:57:09 Reply

None at all, that cleared quite a few things up. Sorry for putting something up that really just rubbed ye the wrong way. In my defense I was never entirely knowledgeable on how the American forces were tiered.

So airborne and regular infantry are pretty much the same. Sounds very much like how Canada does it these days.

Also, some very interesting information on the Navy SEALs. Not anything I ever knew and really puts a damper on their image in my eyes.

So again, apologies for dipping my toes into something I wasn't entirely clear on.

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Response to Military Crew 2010-07-16 18:38:59 Reply

At 7/16/10 09:01 AM, michelinman wrote:
At 7/15/10 10:55 AM, sinfulwolf wrote: Question.
Wall o' text.

Still, they are not Marines.

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Response to Military Crew 2010-07-16 22:44:45 Reply

At 7/16/10 06:38 PM, KennyD wrote:
At 7/16/10 09:01 AM, michelinman wrote:
At 7/15/10 10:55 AM, sinfulwolf wrote: Question.
Wall o' text.
Still, they are not Marines.

Marines still bleed, and marines can still be dumb. They're still human. Mind you I have lots of respect for marines.

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Response to Military Crew 2010-07-17 06:13:34 Reply

I don't trust SF in general they have been knwn to deal with some dirty stuff, even though I have a cousing who is a Ranger. hell a guy I know who is in the SF community told me the drug lord Pablo Escobar was killed actually by a Delta Sniper. the ops they did during panama civil war.


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Response to Military Crew 2010-07-18 22:50:03 Reply

At 7/17/10 06:13 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: I don't trust SF in general they have been knwn to deal with some dirty stuff, even though I have a cousing who is a Ranger.

SF isn't half as sweet ass as people make it out to be. The only legitimate story I've heard of SF guys dealing with shady stuff was British soldiers. Link. They were dressed as Arabs and lit up a bunch of IP's, then when they got caught and arrested for it, the Brits busted in with tanks and freed them. Lot of theories about what all of it meant.

hell a guy I know who is in the SF community told me the drug lord Pablo Escobar was killed actually by a Delta Sniper. the ops they did during panama civil war.

Well the ops done in Panama was to remove Noriega in 1989, the Panamanian Civil War (or the closest thing to it) was in 1840, and Pablo Francisco died running from roof top to roof top with the police hot on his heels in Columbia in 1993. So I think you got spoonfed some bullshit.

And sinful, don't misunderstand. I'm not angry about it or anything, just explaining it. I know you're not a douchebag. :p

Marines are simply meat shields. They're the ones that (hypothetical situation of course) if there was a need to invade a country and the only way to do it was straight up the most heavily guarded beach ever known to man that you'd send to ride up to in boats and crawl their happy asses up. Poor training, poor equipment, but tough mother fuckers with dedication. Yeah, they're meat heads, but it's a different breed to be willing to go into almost certain death for your cause. I've got respect for that. And Kenny, if you were trying to talk about the Marines as the next level up, I think this paragraph clears up how I feel about them. Haha.

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Response to Military Crew 2010-07-19 01:01:45 Reply

At 7/18/10 10:50 PM, michelinman wrote:
And sinful, don't misunderstand. I'm not angry about it or anything, just explaining it. I know you're not a douchebag. :p

Ha. I try not to be. Always good to get some good information. Curious though, is it only SF in the States that wear green berets (hence the Green Beret tag)?

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Response to Military Crew 2010-07-19 01:24:39 Reply

At 7/18/10 10:50 PM, michelinman wrote: Marines are simply meat shields.

Yea I'll remember this you bastard. I mark your words in blood on my skin.

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Response to Military Crew 2010-07-19 03:25:45 Reply

At 7/18/10 10:50 PM, michelinman wrote:

and Pablo Francisco died running from roof top to roof top with the police hot on his heels in Columbia in 1993. So I think you got spoonfed some bullshit.

doubtful I have read the reports the caliber was bigger than what the police had and the shot was impeccable right above the ear man.


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Response to Military Crew 2010-08-07 16:40:29 Reply

At 7/19/10 01:24 AM, SpiffyMasta wrote:
At 7/18/10 10:50 PM, michelinman wrote: Marines are simply meat shields.
Yea I'll remember this you bastard. I mark your words in blood on my skin.

My parents are Former Marines(cant Say X Marine cause people get butt hurt) Trust me a marine is a meat sheild plain and simple bro. This is from two people who lived it in the early 80's....i doubt much has changed in that branch of service.

At 8/7/10 01:20 AM, Grubby wrote: Does anyone believe in the BS that people join the military for a sense of "false glory" as a user named Blaze-Heatnix said?

He bashes on my interest in joining the military.. because he thinks it's for false glory.

What are your views? Is the military based on "false glory" and overtly glorifies killers, or are soldiers heroic for risking their lives for their fellow troops and their country?

Im in the Army on a Base in Germany. I was deployed once so far for 6 months...dont know how my first trip was cut short but its what ever. Im in the signal core so i dont see combat...i push buttons and watch lights flash so everyone deployed can call home and use the internet. If you were deployed after Dec this year the unit i deployed in is the reason you were able to contact home...period. im like the SF of roger wilco. I find no glory or pride in what i do. The army took every good thing i had built up in basic and killed it as soon as i left basic training.
I didnt join for glory or to "defend" my country. I joined to have 3 hots and a Cot. Hate the army and most of the people in it. But man i love the pay and my free 2yr trip to Germany.
The army has helped me grow up in places i was lacking...still need ot work ona few things befor ei get out like mony management. And the free collage is a great bonus.
The army aint for everyone. Im not gonna stay in when my 4 yrs are up. Most of the people they let in since 2000 are fucking morons and simple were let in to fill boots. But there are a few good soldiers in this cess pool of social retardation.
If your like me and have no problem saying Gorer that a few times a day then youll do fine while you in. Only time i have aproblem is when some ass hole wants to power trip. when they act like normal people everything goes smooth. When they pull the "IM a fucking E-5" line you know their boss cramed sand in his pussy so they are doing this to save face and look better. Its all a big ol dog and pony show.
If you wanna join out of pride or honor or something like that then by all means so and dont let close minded assholes tell you how to feel cause for the next few years their gonna be tellin you how to act.


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Response to Military Crew 2010-08-08 01:16:27 Reply

Hey I'm not officially in the Navy yet but... Tomorrow I'm going to San Antonio Texas to the MEPS to get sworn into the navy...

I'm really excited but honestly scared at the same time... Was anybody else in here in the military like this right before they joined?

I'm doing it no matter what and can't wait for bootcamp but I'm kind of nervous at the same time.


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Response to Military Crew 2010-08-10 18:30:16 Reply

So I'm in the navy now...

My job is a Gunners mate but unfortunately I have to wait until until August 8th 2011 to ship out...

I'm going to sign a DAR form to request to leave earlier though.


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ugh this MOS is so BORING!


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Response to Military Crew 2010-08-11 01:53:38 Reply

At 8/10/10 11:13 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: ugh this MOS is so BORING!

Any MOS can be boring... except maybe like... Videogame style Combat Arms.

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Response to Military Crew 2010-08-31 23:18:50 Reply

Oh gosh I'mma sign up next week.

ARMY RESERVES HERE I COME.

Any basic training advice would be awesome, but I'mma update you guys on how everything goes.


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Response to Military Crew 2010-09-02 22:34:21 Reply

At 9/1/10 04:39 AM, Grubby wrote: I talked with a soldier, and he said that four men in his platoon died from heat stroke during basic.

I googled it, and its a sadly common occurrence relatively.

So dude, keep cool, drink lots of water, stay healthy.

Good luck dude.

Army basic is cake compared to Marine Corps boot. I heard you guys are starting to do yoga and pilates shit for physical training. Pretty easy sounding to me. But yea anytime you exercise in the heat make sure you are replenishing the fluids and electrolytes you're losing from sweating so not just water but mostly water. Heat injuries can be very serious and dangerous we had a guy almost die when I was in boot.

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Response to Military Crew 2010-09-20 16:59:05 Reply

im in the young marines, a program started by the marine corps league and sponsored by the marine corps. can i join this crew?

p.s. real picture of me. third squad leader. and if you dont know what that means, i am the pale dude farthest to the left.

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