At 8/20/09 10:10 PM, Chymeraxe wrote:
What are the Pros and Cons of the US Army vs. US Marines?
The Marines are a lot more balanced, whereas the Army is completely sporadic. What I mean by this is that Marine infantry is much better than standard Army infantry, and probably Airborne as well, but the Elite units in the Army, Ranger, SF, etc. are better than the elite units in the Marines. I was in Ranger Bat for a few months and when I met up with some Force Recon guys, they seemed like they had it pretty easy compared to us.
Rangers vs. Marines?
French Foreign Legion vs. Any US military service?
Isn't there like 1000 people in FFL? I wouldn't aim for that as a goal in the military unless you're one of those guys that's the best at everything you've ever tried in life. That shit is like unmakeable. Ranger was hard enough as it was and it doesn't even compare.
I've been interested mostly in the FFL, but have been considering Marines and Rangers. I'm training like hell to get into shape for any branch. I almost know I'm going to be doing something military, and I'd love to be a PMC as a career.
Your best bet is either Marine Infantry, or Ranger bat. I'll let Spiffy explain to you everything from the Marine side, but for the Ranger side, you go through OSUT, which is 14 weeks of nothing too serious. Just getting yelled at and having to do pushups every now and again. Microscopic drop out rate. Then you'll go to Airborne school, which is where you jump out of planes. It's 4 weeks long. It's really easy, and jumps aren't anything special after the first few times. Even if you don't make it to Ranger bat, you'll get 150 dollars a month extra for the entire time you're in an Airborne unit by being Airborne qualified. Frankly, if you do anything in the Army and you don't go Airborne, you're a dumb ass. It's free money. You can stop here and move on to an Airborne unit, such as the 82nd if you choose to, If you want to go higher though, you can go to R.I.P. if you enlisted with it in your contract. IF YOU PLAN ON GOING RANGER, DO NOT SIGN A CONTRACT THAT DOES NOT HAVE THE RANGER INDOCTRINATION PROGRAM ON IT. Your recruiter may tell you that you can just get a Ranger contract in basic or something like that, but it's bullshit. Out of the 40 or 50 guys in my basic training company that wanted to go to R.I.P. that didn't have it in their contract, TWO of them got to go. Don't let yourself get fucked by the recruiters, and I'm sure spiffy can vouch for that on the Marine side. R.I.P. is probably the most miserable thing you will ever do while you're doing it, but when you're done, it's totally worth it. It's 4 weeks long. The 1st week is the week they REALLY try to get everyone to quit. You spend most of the time not doing anything other than standing in formation. The sergeants running the course are constantly out there fucking with everyone. At the end of the day, you can barely walk up the stairs because your body is so fucked. We started our class with 160 people and by the end of week 1, we were down to 80. Then week 2 is Cole Range, which is the week you spend in the field. All the obvious pussies have quit by now, and this is the week that they break the people that are pretending they're not. You'll get about 5 hours of sleep that whole week. You do an 8 mile ruck march out to the place at a pace that you will not see anywhere else in the military. You just run the whole way. It tears your feet up. Out of the 80 guys in our class, about 30 made it to Cole Range with the original formation. Everyone that was still out on the road had to get on their stomachs and low crawl the rest of the way since they didn't make it on time. They give you about 5 minutes to check your feet once you're done, and then they start making you run to the woodline (about 200 yards away) and back over and over. You'll spend the week digging 8 foot long, 3 feet wide, 3 feet deep graves with etools for weaker soldiers, eating garbage, pulling security for 4 or 5 hours straight in near freezing conditions with thin gloves and a hat on to keep warm, and if you fall asleep, you're immediately removed from the class. All the while the sergeants will sit next to a huge bonfire eating pizza and drinking pop and they'll let you come sit with them and eat and shit if you just sign a paper saying you quit. When the buses show up on Friday, it's amazing. After week 2, all you have is the Ranger Standards test, Ranger PT test (pushups, situps, five mile run, and pull ups) 12 mile ruck march which must be completed in less than 3 hours, and the air assault tower where you slide down the ropes like in Black Hawk Down. If you fail, you just get sent to an Airborne unit. I'd recommend Ranger bat to anyone though. Those dudes are hardcore as fuck. Out of 160 people, 47 of us graduated. It's really something to be proud of. If you've got the determination to do it, then go for it man.