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At 8/13/09 08:59 AM, B4gle wrote: I looked up a youtube video after I read your post, is this what it was like?

Yeah, minus the gay chanting and shit at the start. Haha. Our basic training wasn't really into gay cadences and unit pride and stuff.

Hey, would any of you guys be interested in a Gun Club if I started one?

At 8/15/09 01:04 PM, Eman110 wrote: Hey, would any of you guys be interested in a Gun Club if I started one?

No. Post in that one.

I usually just lurk in here, but I felt compelled to post.

Are chances of surviving a deployment pretty high as long as you take cover? Were you guys ever afraid of RPG's and IED's?

At 8/17/09 07:09 PM, Grubby wrote: Are chances of surviving a deployment pretty high as long as you take cover? Were you guys ever afraid of RPG's and IED's?

Canada has a fairly low casualty rate. Our vehicles do fairly well (so far) against most IED's and RPG's.

If you go to West point can you decide to stay enlisted instead of being an officer?

At 8/18/09 12:31 AM, NotLilMicheal wrote: If you go to West point can you decide to stay enlisted instead of being an officer?

Not if you go to west point as ROTC. If you can go to west point as just a college student, and then enlist afterwards, then yes you can. You'll only come in as an e-4 though. Your best bet after doing all the work to get through west point is to just become an officer. The pay and benefits are way better. You get to live off base when we all live in the barracks.

Ya I know its easier to stay an officer.But, I want to stay an enlisted and I know for sure I can get accepted.I just wanted to not let my last 4 years have gone to waste cause I swear to god I didn't have any fun doing all that crap.From foreign language to honors it was hell and I want to go to the best college.So any alternatives?

At 8/18/09 01:04 AM, NotLilMicheal wrote: Ya I know its easier to stay an officer.But, I want to stay an enlisted and I know for sure I can get accepted.I just wanted to not let my last 4 years have gone to waste cause I swear to god I didn't have any fun doing all that crap.From foreign language to honors it was hell and I want to go to the best college.So any alternatives?

You can join the army with a 4 year college degree and come in as an E-4. I REALLY wouldn't recommend it though man. 4 years of sucking, and all you get is an 18 month head start on everyone else, as that's about how long it takes someone to get promoted to E-4 fresh out of high school. If you want to go enlisted for sure, then I'd say skip out on college for now, enlist right out of high school, and then use your GI bill later to pay for your college when you get out, or you can try and squeeze in online classes while you're in. College really doesn't help you out too much on the enlisted side.

I just watched the movie Jarhead yesterday, what did you guys think of the movie if you've seen it? I thought it was pretty good, even though there wasn't much action or anything like that.

well actually you could get E-4 even before you go to Basic recruit 2 people and do the online training and Voila E-4 of course having a degree you might as well be a officer better pay and you get to do cooler shit.

The names Creature and I'm proud to say that I'm a nasty, unmotivated reservist.

The names Creature and I'm proud to say that I'm a dirty, unmotivated reservist.
Well I'm a Lcpl, the most useful rank in the entire Marine Corps( as well as most underrated).
I'm an 0331 and am (somewhat) disappointed to say that eventhough I was deployed, I never got off a single shot.
Hopefully the next one will make up for this bullshit deployment.
FML

At 8/17/09 07:09 PM, Grubby wrote: Are chances of surviving a deployment pretty high as long as you take cover? Were you guys ever afraid of RPG's and IED's?

What kind of stupid question is that. Look at the numbers for yourself. Compare the number of people that go on deployment and those that die.

In all honesty unless you're infantry you'll probably be inside the wire most of the time, so you won't get much of a chance to have anything happen to you.

At 8/19/09 12:16 AM, C1C wrote: The names Creature and I'm proud to say that I'm a dirty, unmotivated reservist.
Well I'm a Lcpl, the most useful rank in the entire Marine Corps( as well as most underrated).
I'm an 0331 and am (somewhat) disappointed to say that eventhough I was deployed, I never got off a single shot.
Hopefully the next one will make up for this bullshit deployment.
FML

OOH RAH

I love unmotivation such as that that you show. But then again when you're in the reserves you don't have much of a choice but to be unmotivated. Especially when you actually do active duty, and then you get to the reserves and everybody else is a bunch of fat lazy asses that act like the army.

But yea long live the LCpl network, I'm hoping to pick up a nice meritorious Cpl soon enough, I do have enough motivation.

Oh and I'm normally reservist, but I'm on ADOS right now.

Where you based.

At 8/20/09 09:47 PM, SpiffyMasta wrote: then you get to the reserves and everybody else is a bunch of fat lazy asses that act like the army.

Fuckin Hooah! Join the army everybody! We've got chips and salsa and sportscenter is on. Just sweep the trash off of the chair and you're welcome to have a seat. :)

Don't know if I could ask here, but,

What are the Pros and Cons of the US Army vs. US Marines?

Rangers vs. Marines?

French Foreign Legion vs. Any US military service?

I've been interested mostly in the FFL, but have been considering Marines and Rangers. I'm training like hell to get into shape for any branch. I almost know I'm going to be doing something military, and I'd love to be a PMC as a career.

Sorry if I'm retarded or this is a bad question, feel free to delete this post if you feel it's needed.

At 8/20/09 10:10 PM, Chymeraxe wrote: What are the Pros and Cons of the US Army vs. US Marines?

The Marines are a lot more balanced, whereas the Army is completely sporadic. What I mean by this is that Marine infantry is much better than standard Army infantry, and probably Airborne as well, but the Elite units in the Army, Ranger, SF, etc. are better than the elite units in the Marines. I was in Ranger Bat for a few months and when I met up with some Force Recon guys, they seemed like they had it pretty easy compared to us.

Rangers vs. Marines?

^^^

French Foreign Legion vs. Any US military service?

Isn't there like 1000 people in FFL? I wouldn't aim for that as a goal in the military unless you're one of those guys that's the best at everything you've ever tried in life. That shit is like unmakeable. Ranger was hard enough as it was and it doesn't even compare.

I've been interested mostly in the FFL, but have been considering Marines and Rangers. I'm training like hell to get into shape for any branch. I almost know I'm going to be doing something military, and I'd love to be a PMC as a career.

Your best bet is either Marine Infantry, or Ranger bat. I'll let Spiffy explain to you everything from the Marine side, but for the Ranger side, you go through OSUT, which is 14 weeks of nothing too serious. Just getting yelled at and having to do pushups every now and again. Microscopic drop out rate. Then you'll go to Airborne school, which is where you jump out of planes. It's 4 weeks long. It's really easy, and jumps aren't anything special after the first few times. Even if you don't make it to Ranger bat, you'll get 150 dollars a month extra for the entire time you're in an Airborne unit by being Airborne qualified. Frankly, if you do anything in the Army and you don't go Airborne, you're a dumb ass. It's free money. You can stop here and move on to an Airborne unit, such as the 82nd if you choose to, If you want to go higher though, you can go to R.I.P. if you enlisted with it in your contract. IF YOU PLAN ON GOING RANGER, DO NOT SIGN A CONTRACT THAT DOES NOT HAVE THE RANGER INDOCTRINATION PROGRAM ON IT. Your recruiter may tell you that you can just get a Ranger contract in basic or something like that, but it's bullshit. Out of the 40 or 50 guys in my basic training company that wanted to go to R.I.P. that didn't have it in their contract, TWO of them got to go. Don't let yourself get fucked by the recruiters, and I'm sure spiffy can vouch for that on the Marine side. R.I.P. is probably the most miserable thing you will ever do while you're doing it, but when you're done, it's totally worth it. It's 4 weeks long. The 1st week is the week they REALLY try to get everyone to quit. You spend most of the time not doing anything other than standing in formation. The sergeants running the course are constantly out there fucking with everyone. At the end of the day, you can barely walk up the stairs because your body is so fucked. We started our class with 160 people and by the end of week 1, we were down to 80. Then week 2 is Cole Range, which is the week you spend in the field. All the obvious pussies have quit by now, and this is the week that they break the people that are pretending they're not. You'll get about 5 hours of sleep that whole week. You do an 8 mile ruck march out to the place at a pace that you will not see anywhere else in the military. You just run the whole way. It tears your feet up. Out of the 80 guys in our class, about 30 made it to Cole Range with the original formation. Everyone that was still out on the road had to get on their stomachs and low crawl the rest of the way since they didn't make it on time. They give you about 5 minutes to check your feet once you're done, and then they start making you run to the woodline (about 200 yards away) and back over and over. You'll spend the week digging 8 foot long, 3 feet wide, 3 feet deep graves with etools for weaker soldiers, eating garbage, pulling security for 4 or 5 hours straight in near freezing conditions with thin gloves and a hat on to keep warm, and if you fall asleep, you're immediately removed from the class. All the while the sergeants will sit next to a huge bonfire eating pizza and drinking pop and they'll let you come sit with them and eat and shit if you just sign a paper saying you quit. When the buses show up on Friday, it's amazing. After week 2, all you have is the Ranger Standards test, Ranger PT test (pushups, situps, five mile run, and pull ups) 12 mile ruck march which must be completed in less than 3 hours, and the air assault tower where you slide down the ropes like in Black Hawk Down. If you fail, you just get sent to an Airborne unit. I'd recommend Ranger bat to anyone though. Those dudes are hardcore as fuck. Out of 160 people, 47 of us graduated. It's really something to be proud of. If you've got the determination to do it, then go for it man.

At 8/20/09 10:48 PM, michelinman wrote:

At 8/20/09 10:10 PM, Chymeraxe wrote: What are the Pros and Cons of the US Army vs. US Marines?

The Marines are a lot more balanced, whereas the Army is completely sporadic. What I mean by this is that Marine infantry is much better than standard Army infantry, and probably Airborne as well, but the Elite units in the Army, Ranger, SF, etc. are better than the elite units in the Marines. I was in Ranger Bat for a few months and when I met up with some Force Recon guys, they seemed like they had it pretty easy compared to us.

I like that response, I don't know how to compare Marine Recon and other branches special forces though...

Your best bet is either Marine Infantry, or Ranger bat. I'll let Spiffy explain to you everything from the Marine side

You need to learn the art of the paragraph my friend that gave me a headache.

To be Marine Corps Infantry you basically go through School of Infantry for 6 months right out of boot camp. Most of the guys I know are able to do it, but you do need pretty good stamina and physical shape, but it's not the most difficult thing in the world. I have two friends that went to recon school, one got broken (injured) and didn't make it, the other one has been in and has been a Corporal and recon man for 3-4 months. I haven't talked to him since, so I really don't know how it is, but he was always in great physical shape.

It's pretty straight forward. But you can't really go in with a contract to go recon, it's easy to do infantry, but I think once you make it they just give you the opportunity to try for it if you want. Sometimes it just depends on what they have slots for also. Gotta fill the holes needed, that's how the Marine Corps works, since we are such a small force.

At 8/20/09 10:48 PM, michelinman wrote:

At 8/20/09 10:10 PM, Chymeraxe wrote: French Foreign Legion vs. Any US military service?

Isn't there like 1000 people in FFL? I wouldn't aim for that as a goal in the military unless you're one of
those guys that's the best at everything you've ever tried in life. That shit is like unmakeable. Ranger
was hard enough as it was and it doesn't even compare.

Daw. :(

Thanks for the advice though guys, I really appreciate it. I'm still going to try for the FFL as long as I have hope, lol. I'm training and disciplining myself like crazy to build up muscle and endurance. I'm down to one snack and one main meal a day that has all that I need to do what I need.

I'll definately consider Rangers though. Seems like a real hardcore group. What are your guys' opinion on Private Military Contractors?

At 8/21/09 08:43 PM, Chymeraxe wrote: I'll definately consider Rangers though. Seems like a real hardcore group. What are your guys' opinion on Private Military Contractors?

There's two types of jobs with PMCs. Static Security, and your guys that go out on patrol. You can get a job doing static security which is just walking around a somewhat secure area with an M4 and doing guard duty, which you'll make around 3 times as much as the average soldier, getting around 250 bucks a day.

Then there are the guys that go out on the patrols. For this type of job, you need to have generally around 4-8 years experience in some type of Special Forces group, SEALS, Army SF, Force Recon, LRRP, etc. They're very exclusive, and a lot of them recruit from SF units and don't even bother with people applying for jobs. The plus side is you're looking at around 500 bucks a day. Sadly this type of job is going the way of the Indian though do to public outcry and the wars slowing down. By the time you got 4-8 years experience in an SF unit (most require you to be 21 to attend their qualifications courses), these types of jobs will be long gone.

I recommend watching the documentary Shadow Company. It's a really good look at the inside life of some contractors with a company in the UK. It's awesome. It just sucks that all that money that was getting thrown into those companies is getting harder and harder to get. You could TRY, but I think the PMCs are gonna be extinct before too long.

hey PMC is a great job in three years you could buy a house, 2 cars and put all your fucking kids through college.

and enough left over to buy beer.

At 8/24/09 01:54 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote: hey PMC is a great job in three years you could buy a house, 2 cars and put all your fucking kids through college.

and enough left over to buy beer.

Those guys make WAAAYYY too much money.

Don't tell liberals what you do though, cause they'll want to execute you on the spot.

Well ill Join the military for i think a month or so so can i join (Im 19 but in Serbia you go to the military when your "Ready") So can I join?

At 8/28/09 12:23 AM, SpiffyMasta wrote:

At 8/24/09 01:54 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote: hey PMC is a great job in three years you could buy a house, 2 cars and put all your fucking kids through college.

and enough left over to buy beer.

Those guys make WAAAYYY too much money.

Don't tell liberals what you do though, cause they'll want to execute you on the spot.

yeah they will fucking go beserk on you if you tell them what you do (if your reg military or Private Millitary Contractor) you wil probably get pickted and shit and protests in front of your house.

Am I right in believing that Spiffy gets back today?!

i spent 4 years as Security Forces (military police) in the USAF...im still in and still a cop, but im reserves now. currently a Staff Sergeant (E-5). if anyone has any questions about the air force id be glad to try and answer them. im one of the AF's biggest critics, but im proud to serve and dont really like trash talk between branches, and especially between allied nations. ive seen clubs like this before and all anyone does is argue about what branch is better in the US, and who would win if certain countries went to war...so if this club is all about mud slinging then forget i posted, but if this club is here to legitimately provide information to those interested in serving in the military, and to intelligently discuss military related issues then count me in...that is, if the thread-starter will have me...

You're in the right place turbo. Spiffy is a marine and I'm in the Army, and the way this thread has gone mostly is discussing the differences between our branches, and talking to the high school kids who come here looking for information. Of course, there's occasional friendly poke from branch to branch now and again, but never like Z0MG FUCK TEH NAVEE! It's been pretty mature as of yet. Hope to see you posting here more.

The thread has been a little dead lately as usually me and spiffy talking keeps it on the first page so people see it and come in here and post (like you just did), but he's been out doing field training for a fucking minute. He should be back the 25th if I remember correctly though. You said you're a critic of the Air Force, does that mean you don't like it? I know their chow halls are good. Haha.

At 9/25/09 01:26 AM, michelinman wrote: You said you're a critic of the Air Force, does that mean you don't like it? I know their chow halls are good. Haha.

haha, i like it, dont get me wrong. i just feel there are many things the af could do a little differently. we seem to struggle so hard to have heritage and tradition, but the truth of it is is that we are by FAR the youngest branch, and therefore dont have the same storied histories as our sister services. the air force tries so hard to have a unique "identity" and sadly, usually comes off as the army's annoying younger brother...case in point, our new uniforms (the ABU, or Airman Battle Uniform...i still prefer the BDUs). i feel we should focus our history and pride on where the AF differs from other branches. like our unique UAV mission, satellite communications, or how the AF is the sole branch trusted to protect our nations nuclear resources...i could go on for hours here...anyway, i am a HUGE supporter of the "joint service operation" direction the US military is moving in. each branch is different, but the mission gets accomplished through teamwork and cooperation. its a beautiful thing...

...so count me in. dunno how often ill be on, but ill do whatever i can to help when im here. also, a little rivalry is all good, no worries...

Hello everyone hopfully I can join this crew but I came here to ask a queston to those in the military. I was planning on joining the air force or if not that the army but I recently found out since I have this stupid thing called A.D.D and take medicine for it the air force won't take me. Is this true or can I get a form or something that will override that? Any help would be appreciated. Also don't tell me to lie because I don't feel like being put in jail and being fined.

At 9/25/09 08:11 AM, fallensoul289 wrote: I have this stupid thing called A.D.D and take medicine for it the air force won't take me. Is this true or can I get a form or something that will override that?

ive been in the air force for over 4 years and ive never heard of anyone being disqualified because of ADD. sometimes recruiters are assholes. try getting a letter from a doctor stating that ADD doesnt interfere with your daily life, and that the medication allows you to focus well. then maybe get like a note from a teacher saying you have no problems concentrating and preform well in class...no guarantees, but that might help...

Also don't tell me to lie because I don't feel like being put in jail and being fined.

unfortunately, alot of people lie in their enlistment papers. especially about drug use. it doesnt happen often, but sometimes it does come back and bite them in the ass. so i wouldnt suggest lying. talk to a recruiter...maybe a different one than youve been dealing with...and see if some documentation from a doctor will help.

AND, best of luck to you! whatever you decide to do, thanks for wanting to serve your country. even just that is WAY more than many people are willing to do!