At 7/11/06 02:46 PM, ThebanLegion wrote:
At 7/11/06 12:38 PM, Monocrom wrote:
I realize that you train by learning techniques....... and that's the most difficult way to teach how to defend against a knifer. It's really not a situation where things can be broken down into a set of techniques.
I realize that is the case for many situations but I learn concepts like the ones you advocate through the learning of techniques. Give me a technique and I can develop it into a score of techniques for only one or two of the attacking motions of the attacker.
Okay, but what do you do if the knifer uses more than one or two attacking motions? However, if you can get off of the center-line, you'll have an excellent chance of avoiding the most basic knife attack. (Several straight stabs to the gut). I'm not sure if Kenpo teaches pivoting off of the center-line. (This would be a lot easier to show you, than trying to write about it). Imagine a pole going through the top of your head, straight down between your legs and through the floor. Put your arms behind your back. Now pivot your body to the right, then ALL the way to the left. If done properly, you'll be lifting your outside foot (opposite foot from the direction you're pivoting in) up; so that your toes are pointed up and you're heel is the part of your foot that rotates. (Damn, this would be a lot easier if I could show you). Now, everytime the straight-stab comes in, you pivot out of the way; in one direction. Second stab = pivot the other way, third stab = pivot in the direction you did for the first stab; and so on! Repeat, over and over and over......... slowly at first, then have your training partner increase the speed with which he is trying to stab you. Now, against a real knifer, you're not going to be constantly pivoting out of the way. This technique is done to build up your own reaction time. There's no such thing as being fast enough, when it comes to pivoting. All there is, is being as fast as YOU can possibly be. Once you've reached that point, pivot with your arms out to your sides. Your training partner should wear a helmet, swimmer's goggles and a mouth-guard. Now as you pivot out of the way, deliver a palm-heel strike to the side of his face. Now repeat the same exercise, with the added strike. If your training partner is still able to cut you, after you strike him, you're too slow! Once you become fast enough, you'll be able to defend against the most basic knife attack.
I would also suggest getting two, red, washable magic markers. Each of you puts on a white T-shirt (and your goggles). Now you square-off a few feet away from each other. (Not how a realistic knife encounter will take place, but that's unimportant for now). Okay, have at it! Slashing and cutting motions only! Try to "kill" each other with your "knives."
That sounds like fun, I think I'll suggest that to my instructor, see if he's willing to run a knife fighting class like that :)
Actually, it is fun......... But afterwards, the importance of using RED markers will become very clear. The only reason I see why your Instructor would object is if the knife defenses he's taught you end up being upstaged. Remember, no big arm motions. Keep the "knife" close to your torso, and keep your slashes and cuts, tight. If your training partner tries to disarm you, immediately jerk your elbow back and try to cut the arm that he tried to use to disarm you.
Thanks, I will definitely give that stuff a try, but I'm not yet giving up on getting an actual true technique out of you :p
Looks like you've succeded! ......... I'll try to post more advanced techniques in a couple of days, on my day off, when I'm not exhausted from work and have to be back there in only a few hours........ Yes, even the great Monocrom needs sleep. :P
If a knifer gets within stabbing range without you realizing, you have no place to run and he goes for, lets say the stomach, with a stab, what would you do? What is your first, basic, instinctual reaction?
That's an easy one! Your arms go up, as you suck in your stomach, bend forward at the waist, and jump back with both of your feet. That's definitely going to be your 1st, basic, and instinctual reaction.
(Now I'm not saying that I would practice this for the purpose of using it, I would practice it to better understand some of the ways to defend against a knife attack.)
I'm not worried that you'll go out and use this knowledge to cut open some little old lady. The thing is, you're right! Knowing HOW to use a knife yourself, understanding how a real knifer is going to use his knife........ those are the ways that you can best learn to defend against the knife.
Along with some more techniques posted here in the club, I'll PM you a couple of offensive techniques that more experienced knifers prefer. Once you learn those, I'll leave it up to you to come up with defenses for them. (Other than the effective ones of distancing and running away). PM me later on with what you'll come up with as defenses, I'll let you know how effective they would be and why. (Once again, I'll do this in a couple of days).