At 3/16/09 12:40 PM, Ninja-Without-Sight wrote: Thankfully the shit did not hit the fan while my computer was down. I would've missed the fun XD. So, what exactly is this idyllic paradise crawford is suggesting? Company retreat day?

XD

A city upon a hill.
You commie bastards...

Historical Reference. Understand or GTFO

No, but seriously. As soon as someone (Not naming any names) reacts poorly to a joke, shit hits the fan.
Tits or GTFO, I say.

I liek bewbies.

Yea, that's true. A;right, seems like all the fighting is over (for now), just curious, is Sinskae coming back? Or was he joking? o_o I jus don't know.

And I get the reference :). AP history ftw.

At 3/16/09 01:47 PM, Lizzardis wrote:

At 3/16/09 01:24 PM, Ninja-Without-Sight wrote: Yea, that's true. A;right, seems like all the fighting is over (for now), just curious, is Sinskae coming back? Or was he joking? o_o I jus don't know.

I don't think he is coming back.
Tails was true to his word and Sinskae chose the door. I doubt he is coming back!

Right, but Tails' word in this case is completely refutable about such a personal habit that Crawford's right, he could've just lied to Tails directly and kept on votin like he voted. Thats not to say that personal honor isnt commendable, of course. He was honest throughout. But overall, the subject itself is a bad one. I could go and say right now that I zero-bomb everything that comes through the portal. Tails busts me and boom. Choice between bailing and changing. I could lie, and stay, or vote the same and go.
Neither are really productive. Both start flame wars over how the correct method is.

Let me point out further that when I do vote on something under submission, I do it with complete fairness. I sit the damn thing out (Except for rare occasions) and judge accordingly. Even rarer is my Review habit.

I've been gone for a good while.. sorry about being in-active.. i got an xbox and couldn't get myself of it.. but im back now :)

At 3/16/09 03:52 PM, Crusher117 wrote: Let me point out further that when I do vote on something under submission, I do it with complete fairness. I sit the damn thing out (Except for rare occasions) and judge accordingly. Even rarer is my Review habit.

Yeah but the thing with Sinskae was that he voted to blam on submissions submitted by spam groups just because they're known for spam without watching the flash. Then to back that up he say's he looks at the reviews submitted by other users but if the submission is UJ then how do he look at the reviews submitted?

Anyways... why do you guys care so much? It's done and over with. Move on.

At 3/16/09 04:20 PM, DarkSoldier wrote:

At 3/16/09 03:52 PM, Crusher117 wrote: Let me point out further that when I do vote on something under submission, I do it with complete fairness. I sit the damn thing out (Except for rare occasions) and judge accordingly. Even rarer is my Review habit.

Yeah but the thing with Sinskae was that he voted to blam on submissions submitted by spam groups just because they're known for spam without watching the flash. Then to back that up he say's he looks at the reviews submitted by other users but if the submission is UJ then how do he look at the reviews submitted?

I also would go and look at the users page too. I still did my research despite. Hell, I spent just as much time reading reviews and looking at author pages as it would take watching it. So what if I didn't watch it? If I do blam something that shouldn't be blam, the only one that doesn't stand to gain is me. It will just be saved anyway then, so what is it hurting?

See, i see both sides of it. On one hand, you've got this incredibly annoying group. all they do is spam and piss you off to no end. No work, just offense to a great deal of people. Why bother looking at their work? Why do theydeserve to be on the portal with this crap? Why do they deserve the oh so prestigous "Turd of the Week"? And besides, I don't like 'em. So what. No one else will be affected.

However, say e veryone incorporates this idea. That means that if any group member of a spam club makes a good movie, its' auto-blammed. Poof. Then, how will we be helpping Newgrounds?

Now, personally I don't think Sinskae should be ejected for this. However, Tail, you are our leader and your word goes. Its' up to you to decide. Just for a note, though, its' not like he maliced the portal or anything. I mean there's been like, 2 dishonorable discharges, and that's due to some serious shit. So, it can go either way. My opinion's voiced, let the cards fall where they want to.

My hands hurt :(

At 3/16/09 04:43 PM, Lizzardis wrote:

At 3/16/09 04:42 PM, sinskae wrote: It will just be saved anyway then, so what is it hurting?

You make a fair point. However there are plenty spam flashes which I have voted 0 on and they have been deleted. Not all of them get through!

well, what I'm saying if it is a quality flash, then it should be saved by the rest of the NG community.

At 3/16/09 05:04 PM, sinskae wrote:

At 3/16/09 04:43 PM, Lizzardis wrote:

At 3/16/09 04:42 PM, sinskae wrote: It will just be saved anyway then, so what is it hurting?

You make a fair point. However there are plenty spam flashes which I have voted 0 on and they have been deleted. Not all of them get through!

well, what I'm saying if it is a quality flash, then it should be saved by the rest of the NG community.

With this, he has a point. At his level, and B/P power, one zero wont make a difference. Granted, it's the zero that could've made the difference between 3.41 and 3.45, but overall, getting through judgement's process wont be really impeded with his Zero

mis-rated flash here. it's [dd], and it's rated for everyone, but with gay porn in it. unsuitable? what i mean is, can you whistle that?

Sinskae

Despite what a few people have been saying, Tails didn't actually throw Sinskae out. He presented him with a choice of leaving the force or watching spam Flashes before voting. Both sides had a point, and I find it sad that a long-serving user is leaving the force, though he wasn't forced out. And Sinskae, if you want to drop in every now and then you're free to do so.

At 3/16/09 04:15 PM, TheDeathReaperIsBack wrote: I've been gone for a good while.. sorry about being in-active.. i got an xbox and couldn't get myself of it.. but im back now :)

If you were inactive in the past, then that doesn't matter. You've just got to look to the future and try to improve on your activity rate.

In other news, KrevZabijak has reached the Elite Guard Private rank, and therefore has been honorably discharged from the force. I thought that I'd added her onto the Discharged list, though I can't seem to find her on there. I'll have to do it again.

At 3/16/09 03:44 PM, Crusher117 wrote: he could've just lied to Tails directly and kept on votin like he voted.

I'll give sinskae that much, I respect the fact that he was honest about his decision. But I'm really getting tired of all this bullshit going down just because people are putting practicality above integrity. Upon Crawford's foundation, I built a group that stands for honesty and fairness, not what is essentially corruptness for the sake of efficiency.

This is the last time I'll address this topic. If anyone else feels compelled to begin or continue the unacceptable act of voting on UJ flashes without bothering to watch it first, then feel free to follow sinskae. The NGPD has no need for those kinds of people and I sure as hell don't. I'd rather have a few good, honest member than a prejudiced battalion. Of course, you could lie to me and I'll never know the better; the choice is up to you.

I'm going to follow the EGB's example and make an NGPD Creed so there will be absolutely no mistake again. sinskae's gone and we've established that I do not condone that habit of voting. That's all that needs to be said. This shit ends NOW. Pick another topic to discuss about.

At 3/16/09 05:10 PM, TheSongSalad wrote: mis-rated flash here. it's [dd], and it's rated for everyone, but with gay porn in it. unsuitable? what i mean is, can you whistle that?

Yes. I was just about to post it too... ;( Why did I miss it AGAIN?

At 3/15/09 06:50 PM, MrCrawford wrote:

At 3/14/09 03:56 PM, TailsPrower wrote:

Doesn't matter, if you didn't watch it then you didn't vote fairly. Simple as that. And here I thought I knew what laziness was. So now you have a choice, are you going to get with the program and watch every flash before voting? Or are you gonna walk out the door?

Hey, Dickface.

I know I'm coming in late here, but what the hell man? Maybe I'm a little old and rusty in my thinking, but I thought that we only really seriously took action on people who were instigating mass voting, not the voting habits of individual members.

Now, of course we should discourage it, but there is no objective way to even prove a member's voting habits. Basically, you have to go on the officer's word. Sinskae could have just lied to your face and you'd have nothing, but instead he had the integrity to call your bullshit and left the force.

So what do we have out of all this? An honest officer with good character driven off the force by your arseing about, all in the name of an unenforceable standard?

'Scuse me. But if this is going to be your attitude, then stick it man.

<3

Thought I would bring this back to this page; it particular about personal voting habits aren't our focus, its mass voting. You can't prove a member's voting habits unless they tell you, so I say "Don't ask, don't tell"

Shed a tear for Krev ;(. She left so early... Maybe she'll be one who stops by and looks upon her fellow colleagues? IDK. Maybe one of these days I'll get into the NGPD. But for now, I'm here, sipping coffee and eating doughnuts... Yup, it seems just about right XD

At 3/16/09 05:12 PM, Ninja-Without-Sight wrote:
Yes. I was just about to post it too... ;( Why did I miss it AGAIN?

sorry for stealing it from you. hope it doesn't pass.

At 3/16/09 05:12 PM, TailsPrower wrote:

At 3/16/09 03:44 PM, Crusher117 wrote: he could've just lied to Tails directly and kept on votin like he voted.

Judiciary ackshun

So guys...how bout them bears?

At 3/16/09 05:14 PM, Ninja-Without-Sight wrote: Shed a tear for Krev ;(. She left so early... Maybe she'll be one who stops by and looks upon her fellow colleagues? IDK. Maybe one of these days I'll get into the NGPD. But for now, I'm here, sipping coffee and eating doughnuts... Yup, it seems just about right XD

Dont be so sure. She might stay for a bit or just hurry onto the EGB.

Sorry to triple post, but Krev is banned for 3 days for spam thread action.
So, whatever her NG relevant future is, we wont know about it for, well, some odd amount of time.

At 3/16/09 05:23 PM, Crusher117 wrote: some odd amount of time.

HURR I see what you did there. ;)

Anyway, about spam flashes. Will an admin look at it if ONE person whistles it? Or will they only look if a few people whistle? And, what makes it unsuitable/malicious? The lines are pretty blurry there. I've seen seizure flashes, are they allowed?

See, the admins see it on a most points against first basis. If a flash has very little blows against it, or the mods don't feel it should be remove, it stays. A lot of blows, it goes. That is why we alert each other over here XD.

At 3/16/09 05:40 PM, Elder500 wrote: Anyway, about spam flashes. Will an admin look at it if ONE person whistles it?

One wouldn't be enough for it to be frozen and pushed into admin review, and if it was put into admin review, the flags will be cleared unless it breaks any of the actual rules.

Or will they only look if a few people whistle?

If, 20,000 people with Garbage whistles whistle on it, then nothing will happen. If just a few people with good whistles whistle on it, then it will probably be pushed into admin review.

And, what makes it unsuitable/malicious? The lines are pretty blurry there. I've seen seizure flashes, are they allowed?

If something runs popups without any clear warning, or crashes your browser due to something other than a scripting mistake that causes an infinite loop. Seizure Flashes are annoying, but the fact that they use strobe lighting alone isn't enough of a reason to flag it.

At 3/16/09 05:40 PM, Elder500 wrote:

At 3/16/09 05:23 PM, Crusher117 wrote: some odd amount of time.

HURR I see what you did there. ;)

Anyway, about spam flashes. Will an admin look at it if ONE person whistles it? Or will they only look if a few people whistle? And, what makes it unsuitable/malicious? The lines are pretty blurry there. I've seen seizure flashes, are they allowed?

It takes a number of people to blow the whistle on a flash movie in order to have it marked for administrative review. If one person had the power to single handedly flag a submission, the system would be wayyyy too easy to exploit and the admins would have an impossible workload on their hands from whistles alone.

As for seizure flashes, they ought to be abusive since people CAN get physically hurt by them. However if I remember correctly, the NG FAQ page doesn't explicitly mention seizure flashes. Maybe you can contact an admin to be absolutely sure. As for me, I would flag it because there's an undeniable possibility that it can be malicious. It'd have to be one hell of a seizure inducer though.

Something that should be looked at is not just flashes and whether they are abusive or not, but The reviewers being abusive. Now that Rage's is out of commission, there has been a large growth in abusive reviews.

I found a few note worthy: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/48 7340

I just thought these reviews were over the top nasty and thought I would share.

The newest two are abusive guys. One has no words, the other suggests blamming. Both are infractions, and are hhelping me get out of my garbage whistle ;(. Thanks Sinskae! Also, I like to look at the spam group's comments, because people tend to get ahead of themselves. Some everyday helpful hints ;).

At 3/16/09 07:22 PM, Ninja-Without-Sight wrote: The newest two are abusive guys. One has no words, the other suggests blamming. Both are infractions, and are hhelping me get out of my garbage whistle ;(. Thanks Sinskae! Also, I like to look at the spam group's comments, because people tend to get ahead of themselves. Some everyday helpful hints ;).

The one only puting words...if I can remember right, isn't that abusive for not actually reviewing the flash and it's just a space-waster? I can't remember.
another 2 for you

Yes it is abusive. Hence my pint. o_o. and yes, both of those are very abusive reviews. People annoy me sometimes.

At 3/16/09 07:35 PM, Ninja-Without-Sight wrote: Yes it is abusive. Hence my pint. o_o. and yes, both of those are very abusive reviews. People annoy me sometimes.

nah, people are just getting out of line without Rage's. The one thing I liked about Rage's was it may have been a bunch of stat-whores, but they really cut a huge amount of abuse out.

At 3/16/09 07:37 PM, sinskae wrote:

At 3/16/09 07:35 PM, Ninja-Without-Sight wrote: Yes it is abusive. Hence my pint. o_o. and yes, both of those are very abusive reviews. People annoy me sometimes.

nah, people are just getting out of line without Rage's. The one thing I liked about Rage's was it may have been a bunch of stat-whores, but they really cut a huge amount of abuse out.

In all honesty I don't understand why they were so against those threads. I mean that's what the whistle system is for. If people were mass flagging things that shouldn't be whistled, then their whistle goes to garbage. It only had positive results in my mind.