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err that should say "forgies" not 'oies" - my keyboard has trouble picking up certain keys sometimes...

At 1/1/08 10:40 AM, ChRoN0uNc3 wrote: err that should say "forgies" not 'oies" - my keyboard has trouble picking up certain keys sometimes...

i believe you also have trouble picking up certain men XD

PFTBD: I don't think anyone posting music on NG has "mastered" any instrument...if they had, they'd be on stage like Steve Vai or Joe Satriani, aka Virtuosos, and not posting free music for usage in free flash movies. Or, they'd be busy making music and not talking on a forum. So whether I've mastered any of those instruments is irrelevant in so much as you using that as some form of evidence for or against your position, especially considering the fact that I play any instrument or even OWN an instrument has negated your position that ALL hip-hop producers can't play an instrument.

See, it's a little thing called "logic", which, obviously, you don't understand. And the language barrier can't be to blame since you seem to speak almost fluent english at times, then not so much at others. You simply don't seem to think in logical terms of objectivism, choosing rather to be subjective and subject all things to your own interpretation rather than accepting the world definition or objective position of said information/object. Which, since some might be lost after using words like "objectivism" and "interpretation" means that I am saying you're a moron. I appreciate the verbal garbage, though, as it has shown most that backing up your position makes one look like an a$$.

Peace

InGenius give it up - this thread is dead -.-

and i have no problem picking up certain men! >:O

At 1/1/08 11:59 AM, Chronamut wrote:

and i have no problem picking up certain men! >:O

you couldn't pick up me, i weigh far more than your gangly frame could manage, plus I'm miles away seperated my ocean and alos sexuality wahay

At 12/31/07 08:27 PM, DSMagnum wrote: He said let me stereotypes as well, and I was just pointing out that he was doing a bad job. Seriously, are you stupid or something?

Hence it was an example. Meaning you weren't supposed to take it seriously.

At 1/1/08 11:23 AM, InGenius wrote: lot of text that i can't post =\

yeah...im not feeling like argueing this anymore..i like discussing things because ppl learn from discussions..i think i made my point WHILE AGO...if u feel like keeping argueing PM me..or add me at msn.

plus i still think hip hop sucks...BIG WAY.

the "beefs" between "rappers" on newground make me lol. they might think they're good, and maybe they are, but once their work dribbles down to insulting someone else on a website in a song on said website, it's just said. really, you're just internet tough guys, maybe if some label executive is browsing NG for whatever reason and signs you, you'll be taken seriously, but until then you won't be.

At 1/1/08 04:37 PM, dorak wrote:

At 12/31/07 08:27 PM, DSMagnum wrote: He said let me stereotypes as well, and I was just pointing out that he was doing a bad job. Seriously, are you stupid or something?

Hence it was an example. Meaning you weren't supposed to take it seriously.

Hence you take things seriously. Stop whining. You're a bad example.

At 1/1/08 08:40 PM, ace9eca wrote: the "beefs" between "rappers" on newground make me lol.

this is about hip hop not rap

At 1/1/08 08:51 PM, DSMagnum wrote: Hence you take things seriously. Stop whining. You're a bad example.

Great ad-hominem attack. Especially since I wasn't the one whining.

At 1/1/08 08:40 PM, ace9eca wrote: the "beefs" between "rappers" on newground make me lol. they might think they're good, and maybe they are, but once their work dribbles down to insulting someone else on a website in a song on said website, it's just said. really, you're just internet tough guys, maybe if some label executive is browsing NG for whatever reason and signs you, you'll be taken seriously, but until then you won't be.

True story... Great way to hit the nail right on the head. The way how people act towards each other, especially me, is just pretty sad overall. I've actually gotten death threats by a particular user on this site, I'm not saying names though. Things like this could be the one of the many reasons people look down to hip-hop on this site. Cuz overall, hip-hop musicians just need to see that we're beefing over NG, and we act like it's IRL. I'm not even going to lie for the simple fact that I'm caught up in the ignorance as well, and I hate the fact that I even waste my time. It's whatever, dudes need to stop beefing over simple matters, and make music. Even if it isn't all that great, we'd get more respect from the others for at least staying mature.

At 1/2/08 12:27 AM, dorak wrote:

At 1/1/08 08:51 PM, DSMagnum wrote: Hence you take things seriously. Stop whining. You're a bad example.

Great ad-hominem attack. Especially since I wasn't the one whining.

We you sure as hell made a big deal over something not all that important. I'm sure you didn't even read all of my initial post. And because you expressed your lack of knowledge, you fell captive to my trolling. Look where it go you. No where but off topic. Amazing what a person can manage when they obsess over a small matter too much.

User was banned for this post.

it has only 4 posts and some crap =P..must be somebody's alt..=P.

how interesting... a flame topic that never dies and that noone considers to lock. They would rather watch you all bicker endlessly about a pointless topic using your own biased opinions and no real facts. Congratulations, you have created a situation where your hatred of EACH other, and not so much the genre itself, wil never end.

I haven't witnessed a thread like this that lasted so long since the philosophy thread between erkie and Spamwarrior.

These people are morons.

What did you expect?

Respect.

hmm i havent actually read all of this topic most of the 3-4 first pages i have

to be honest im not a fan of hip hop atall or rap

BUT!

just because i dont like it doesnt mean i dont see the meaning of some of the lyrics and yea i cant remember who said it but if i had a 15 yr old daughter like eminem then yea i proberbly would write everything i could if i had to.

some of hip hop is pointless like most music really not all lyrics have to mean somwthing its just summet to sing really and some songs dont have lyrics for example my stuff (that people proberbly dont like i dont care what people think i like it)
and CnB check his song {The Trip} out awesome no lyrics

who needs lyrics?

but seriously i think the only reason that its degraded on ng is because people dont take there time and end up with crap songs.

and well

if you dont like it ..DONT LISTEN TO IT! COMMON SENCE!

so stop Fucking whining and go do what you want to do dont let others tel you what to do listen to what you want say what you want if everyone does this you cant complain cos everyone is getting there opinion across yea people will disagree but thats inevitable as is peoples taste in music.so what if a couple K. people dont like hip hop so what ?... does it stop people that do listening to it?

no it s doesnt so shut up wingin and just fucking get on with your life and stop with the pathetic posts ..."oh no...why dont people like my style of music" " oh woe is me"

shut the fuck up yea

just chill out man

and all this "gangta slang" i dont see the point in moaning it wont make any difference in people using it.its just slang anyway yea maybe its over used yea maybe people use it in the wrong place wrong time whatever!!!

who gives a fuck what we think .

another reason to why "some" people dont like hip hop

maybe the personality to the people that listen to it is a main part

"i listen to hip hop gansta music so i must act like a hip hop gangsta"

NO WRONG BE YOURSELF !

i listen to trance,rock,drum n bass,electronica,ambient

does that mean i have to be a chav or a goth or a peace weed smokin hippy?

im myself and im guessin most people on here are

maybe if all you hip hop likers out there stopped with your gangster slang and acted like an individual and made decent tracks and spoke a little more about the world and not just your lives as intrested as some people may be.maybe ou would get somwhere maybe someone would actually sit there and think

"yeah"

"i like this" "it doesnt come with the chavvy gangster people either" "even better"

maybe JUST MAYBE

if you stopped with the gangter stuff and moaning about how mummy treated you when you was 12 years old then people might listen yea get your points across but not in every DAM song that you sing.

just

think about yeah

no more "yo sup hommie,yo we guna bust a cap in isshies ass tnyt bro"

no more "yea my mum treated me bad i left home she was on drugs etc etc" and all that bullshit

yea it might be upsetting but not everyone wants to here it.

so

keep it to you and your mates.

to cut a long story short stop with the life stories and stop moaning and stop with the gangster slang all the time.

and one last thing

chill out!

BAL Ambi

(this post wasnt pointed at anyone imperticular but based on the entire subject with my opinions added)

At 1/3/08 10:44 AM, reaper-of-ratings wrote: how interesting... a flame topic that never dies and that noone considers to lock. They would rather watch you all bicker endlessly about a pointless topic using your own biased opinions and no real facts. Congratulations, you have created a situation where your hatred of EACH other, and not so much the genre itself, wil never end.

Congratulations, as you just did exactly the opposite of you want: keeping a flame thread alive by flaming.

At 1/3/08 04:04 PM, BAL-Ambi wrote:
who needs lyrics?

Hip-hop is a life -style. Rapping is apart of Hip-hop, not the other way around.

if you dont like it ..DONT LISTEN TO IT! COMMON SENCE!

Sad that people don't have enough common sense, and downvotes based on their preferences.

no it s doesnt so shut up wingin and just fucking get on with your life and stop with the pathetic posts ..."oh no...why dont people like my style of music" " oh woe is me"

This is more of a, "Why must people be douche bags and downvote things out of their preferred genre?" type of post. We could care less about scares, we just want the same amount of respect as other genres.

and all this "gangta slang" i dont see the point in moaning it wont make any difference in people using it.its just slang anyway yea maybe its over used yea maybe people use it in the wrong place wrong time whatever!!!

I speak with slang. So what? You can basically call it an accent. If people don't like it, that's their own problem. I don't knock them for speaking the way they do, so why should they do it to me? Fugg' it.

maybe if all you hip hop likers out there stopped with your gangster slang and acted like an individual and made decent tracks and spoke a little more about the world and not just your lives as intrested as some people may be.maybe ou would get somwhere maybe someone would actually sit there and think

This is where I have to disagree with you here. Not all rappers rap about the same stuff... obviously. You can pick up a Mos Def tape, and hear real vibrant Hip-hop, while using slang and life stories in it. And plus, we really can't talk as much about the world because a lot of us really don't pay attention to it, hence why we're in our own struggle. And I'm letting you know right now, writing a verse about ya life story, or let alone just a section of it, is a GREAT way to release stress. That also shows lyrical credibility since you can actually flow while telling a story. Lemme give you a quick example of something I wrote sometime ago :

"So now just invision the words and preminition
Chemicals in the nose, who knows no superstition.
Fucked up again, turned his head to religion.
Cookin up the mix while the wife cookin in the kitchen./
So now she's always bitching cuz there's money missin
Little one stays shut, cuz he feels he's on a mission
Old man playin them again, left without a pot to piss in
He keeps it on the low, dun want to go to prison/
Again, pretends it's all in their vision.
Playin games, it ain't the same, cuz she's a witness.
She doesn't give him shit, he thinks she spoils riches.
She's just trynna help the old fool not to choose the sickness./"

if you stopped with the gangter stuff and moaning about how mummy treated you when you was 12 years old then people might listen yea get your points across but not in every DAM song that you sing.

And not all Rapping is about being gangster. It just happens to be the most popular. Just like with Heavy Metal. Some do Satanic songs, but not all. So why act like every person who's into Heavy Metal worships the Devil? It's just a trend.

to cut a long story short stop with the life stories and stop moaning and stop with the gangster slang all the time.

Listen to some MF Doom, Madlib, Aseop Rock, Talib Kweli, Mos Def, or anyone from Wu Tang. Always good stuff to listen to.

"This is more of a, "Why must people be douche bags and downvote things out of their preferred genre?" type of post. We could care less about scores , we just want the same amount of respect as other genres."

Bleh.. typo lol

At 1/3/08 05:48 PM, war-spawn wrote: "This is more of a, "Why must people be douche bags and downvote things out of their preferred genre?" type of post. We could care less about scores , we just want the same amount of respect as other genres."

Bleh.. typo lol

wow spawn u went to town on that shit lmao just leave this topic alone i'm done with it you should be to ppl are gonna have their own opinion some ppl just think hip hop suckz let them believe what they believe they jsut keep listening to the radio fuck that we kno that the hip hop we make isn't dead so fuck what ppl think we kno that we put hard work into what we do

At 1/3/08 05:46 PM, war-spawn wrote: We could care less about scares, we just want the same amount of respect as other genres.

First and foremost flaw.

If you take pride in your work, what other people think of it shouldn't be an issue.

Which is just what Poetic-Reven somehow figured out the hard way, hopefully he'll be smart enough to actually hold onto that concept, so he doesn't have to make awful threads.

At 1/3/08 10:46 PM, Erkie wrote:

If you take pride in your work, what other people think of it shouldn't be an issue.

I'm here to motivate and be motivated. I know there are actually people here who will leave an intellectual review in order for you to improve ya work. Do I take pride in my work? Of course. It's damn near the only music I can listen to for days. But I still care what others think. Hence why I actually ask people to review my music sometimes. I know I'm not perfect, so it's best to see what others see when can't for yourself. Know what I'm saying?

I'd bother to respond to your entire text, but it leads to this sentence, where I will answer your whole issue:

Do I take pride in my work? Of course.

Pride.

Having pride in your work leads one to think you're both confident and proud of your creations, that the means of having achieved your own pride is by only having ears for the music you create, and the confidence you produce is because you believed in what you made.

But I still care what others think

Then I find it hard to believe an individual who takes pride in his work, would be willing to sidestep himself for someone else's ears, just as much.

I know I'm not perfect, so it's best to see what others see when can't for yourself. Know what I'm saying?

You say you're not perfect as a way to remain humble, even after saying you pride your work, the next sentence translates to; "I do not trust myself with my own creations nor do I know why they were made, I must have other people judge them for me". So yes, I know what you're saying, you're confused.

Awfully bold to protect a genre when you have nothing to base it from, keep in mind the subject is about Hip Hop on NG, and the only way you can defend it is by bringing in a basis outside of NG, in other words, you could not create what you feel are the ideals of something you want to protect, beyond a few "open experiments", you are simply mimicking a genre you heard somewhere else, made by other people.

That's kind of like a man saying a particular kind of food is good, being told from the only man who ate it, who had a chef create it for him.

So would that be like saying that you think the backstreet boys are good, even though you've never listened to them but someone who did told you they were good, and someone else wrote the music for them?

Or would that be attested to certain hip-hop artists who don't write their own music in this case..

Hahaha...

Then I find it hard to believe an individual who takes pride in his work, would be willing to sidestep himself for someone else's ears, just as much.

I'm confident in what I do. Anyone could be. That doesn't make them great. It took the motivation of other people to put me in the mind state.

You say you're not perfect as a way to remain humble, even after saying you pride your work, the next sentence translates to; "I do not trust myself with my own creations nor do I know why they were made, I must have other people judge them for me". So yes, I know what you're saying, you're confused.

Now you're just taking shit outta context. I say I'm not perfect because I still have a lot of improving to do. I take pride in my work because it's better than anything you would hear on the radio. I trust myself with my own creations, and making music is basically a stress reliever to me. I know exactly why I make music, I know exactly what I am doing.

Awfully bold to protect a genre when you have nothing to base it from, keep in mind the subject is about Hip Hop on NG, and the only way you can defend it is by bringing in a basis outside of NG, in other words, you could not create what you feel are the ideals of something you want to protect, beyond a few "open experiments", you are simply mimicking a genre you heard somewhere else, made by other people.

Okay. You want me to bring up people who are actually good on NG instead of the outside world? Fine. There's me, YunVeros, TheEyeOfMusik, Jincallo, KillBillVolume2, PoeticReven, Cajete, PhosphorusProcedure, Greeksta-69, Zajed, WyteNoiz, InGenius, MSeeMercury, and that's only to name a few. And as far as me mimicking a genre, that's a pitiful statement. I live for Hip-Hop. It's partially the reason I even exist period. I mimic nothing, I express my own creativity through countless hours of projects and ideas waiting to be put on a notepad.

So why act like every person who's into Heavy Metal worships the Devil? It's just a trend. quoted from war spawn
if you read it i actually said that there isnt anypoint in people doing that they are stereotypes who think just because they listen to it means they HAVE to wear the things they do i dont care what they wear but atleast be creative and dont be a sheep be part of your own wellbeing and do something different to the crowd.

and you said something about downvoting somewhere
personally i think downvoting is absolutly pointless unless it is crap not weather you like the genre if the song ITSELF had talent in it thats what you need to vote on NOT weather you like hip hop or not if you dont but you see the song writer has talent give it a good mark whats the point in downvoting it?

I speak with slang. So what? You can basically call it an accent. If people don't like it, that's their own problem. I don't knock them for speaking the way they do, so why should they do it to me? Fugg' it

fair enough but what i mean is all the white british or pure bred americans just because they listen to hip hop they think "i should speak like that because i listen to that" i listen to the prodigy does that mean i have to speak like im from down in london??...no it dont mean shit i will carry on speaking as i already do.

and Poetic-Reven said
wow spawn u went to town on that shit lmao just leave this topic alone i'm done with it you should be to ppl are gonna have their own opinion some ppl just think hip hop suckz let them believe what they believe they jsut keep listening to the radio fuck that we kno that the hip hop we make isn't dead so fuck what ppl think we kno that we put hard work into what we do

i dont hink it sucks
its just not my style of music and doesnt interest me but in my area it IS very overplayed and you get people like "chavs" listening to it cos they think they are big american gangsters but thats around my area it might be different else where.
erkie said
if you take pride in your work, what other people think of it shouldn't be an issue.
like i said people may not like my songs but i do and thats all that matters

anyway as has already been said everyone is entitled in their opinion so everyone mayaswell leave the thread because i dont think this is going to get anywhere apart form people arguing and people shoating abuse at eachother all because some people dont like a certain genre.

BAL Ambi

perhaps you should have posted your last sentence first instead of adding to the fire and being a hypocrite in that sense.

and i dont mind adding fire - I'm not the one with a shitty biased opinion here.

At 1/4/08 12:57 PM, BAL-Ambi wrote: anyway as has already been said everyone is entitled in their opinion so everyone mayaswell leave the thread because i dont think this is going to get anywhere apart form people arguing and people shoating abuse at eachother all because some people dont like a certain genre.

It isn't going anywhere. I said this like 3 pages ago, lol. It's just an endless cycle of opinions being bashed together.