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haha poetic reven you've NEVER been humble in the forums! :P

At 12/27/07 07:48 PM, Poetic-Reven wrote: when you feel no one can stop you.....and no one has....beat battle or freestyle battle so yea ...say what what you say shoot me stab me but words will never hurt me....i feel of ya energy......

Wow, you're retarded.

No one has "stopped you" for two particular reasons:
1. This is a capitalist government.
2. No one cares who you are or what you do.

And validating your ego this way means your ego and confidence are baseless.

You're not fighting a war. You're not a Soulja. You're not a revolutionary. Whatever your self image is, it's WAY off what it actually is.

At 12/27/07 08:32 PM, Greeksta-69 wrote:

At 12/27/07 08:07 PM, Fuoco wrote:

At 12/27/07 07:48 PM, Poetic-Reven wrote: ...say what what you say shoot me stab me but words will never hurt me...

O RLY?

Omg... If you have nothing serious to contribute just leave, please.

greeksta slow ya roll homeboi i started this forum with good intentions but were executed poorly either or i just feel like having being here for awhile and having ppl come on to my page HIP HOP SUCKZ does get at me the ignorance on this site sometimes is very foolish and of all ppl if i don't have anything to contribute serious or not u have no say so on what i say or what i feel.....simply but i have an ego so what ...what does that have to do with anything ...you say nobody knows me but I'm known around my city so wtf i can prove that much I am a respected hip hop artist and greeksta can u just say that much I feel like NG degrades hip hop like we are the scum of this earth ....i'm sry that i ain't like you and try to be reasonable in which i'm not. once i'm pissed off i'm pissed off you can't tell me nothing at all but it's stereotypes and commercial hip hop for example: Souljah Boy, Dem Franchize boyz, D4L don't mistake tha type of hip hop to us on NG because all of us hate that shit with a passion x2 that's all i was really trying to say. Rap are lyrics over a beat this new shit in the music industry is ridiculous
rappers like Young Jeezy and Young Joc are a disgrace to hip hop...so selling drugs is the new form of hip hop I mean come on..... I don't support the new artists like that I don't even listen to radio anymore since like the age or 11 cuz it make me sick to my stomach that ppl will sell their souls to this music industry and the Big labels will actually sign them when ppl like me and many others work hard and work 60 hour weeks just to get new equipment just so they could stand a chance in anything involved with music not all of us are born into this world with riches....

My Apologies To Being Disrespectful....

It's that some of the stuff sucks or most of the NG users dont listen to hip hop that musch. That's my guess.

At 12/27/07 10:03 PM, Poetic-Reven wrote: wall of text

Maybe a possible reason for why hiphop authors are not treated seriously is how they type. You left a freaking wall of text, with misspellings, no capitalization, and slang. If you tried typing like English was meant to be written, then maybe people would take you seriously.

I think what Reven is saying is that you're being insensitive when you flame a song and just say something vague like: "hip-hop suxxx". So, from now on, when you flame an entry write: "YOUR brand of hip-hop suxxx".

let's keep this post rolling

Pie, ftw

Rule 11>Rule 12andRule 10 combined

great more shots to me this is what i'm talking about you know what fuck it go hell burn in hell get fucked in the ass with a knife and die i'm done with this shit

At 12/28/07 05:45 AM, Poetic-Reven wrote: great more shots to me this is what i'm talking about you know what fuck it go hell burn in hell get fucked in the ass with a knife and die i'm done with this shit

Yo! I kno how ya feel yo! Cuz I got nothin' fo' christmas eitha. So me n' mah homies are payin' a visit to santy's hizzouse!

At 12/28/07 05:45 AM, Poetic-Reven wrote: great more shots to me this is what i'm talking about you know what fuck it go hell burn in hell get fucked in the ass with a knife and die i'm done with this shit

HAHA! u are just so pwned.

"guys... guys.. why u hatin"
"(Insert viable reasons)"
"no rly"
"DUDE. (Restate viable reasons)"
"i see how it iz, l8er h8ers"

because youre either a metal head or a ...rap-type person.

and obviously there are more people who love metal.

and no one understands rap, its all the same. "OH I SAW A CRACKER SO I SHOT HIM WITH MY GUN *fake effects - pop pop* AND HE DISRESPECTED MY PANTS BECAUSE THEYRE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO MY FUCKIN ANKLES FUCK FUCK ASS TITS FUCK PUSSY, then they make fucking lame ass music videos with fake ass gangster who points guns at people over their head. it makes NO fucking sence, you have NO accuracy by doing that. FUCK rap omfg."

useless, unnessesary, repetitive, and no talent.

thats not an opinion. and you want proof? listen to the lyrics of all rap type music, 50 cents, tooth pick, eminems, two pack, and acorn.

i dont care if i spelled their fucking names wrong.

amen brudda, al those white boys dey be desrespectin' us with dah common sense an der good taste in music wes bruddas gotsta stick togethah man may our cwappah generah neva die I swear tah GAWD man!

Oh joy...

Me being part of the Hip-Hop community on NG, I would like to state that yes, 80% of what's posted up there is garbage. And it seems that people will just keep posting more and more garbage.

And though I do not favor Reven's actions, I do respect him as an artist. He is one, if not, the best person who posts his music in our genre. He is also overlooked. One can say that he could do something in 15 minutes, while the average Hip-Hop producer does in a week. No lie. As far as this post goes, it just needs to be locked or something. Sure he may be egotistical at times, but that doesn't make him any less of a great artist.

And as for this thread... It should be locked or something. People will never take Hip-Hop on this site seriously, and no one ever will. It's just going to be an endless loophole.

thats not an opinion. and you want proof? listen to the lyrics of all rap type music, 50 cents, tooth pick, eminems, two pack, and acorn.

50, never was a good rapper. Tooth pick? * shrugs * Em.. he fell off. Used to be good. Money blinded him. Akon... he's just confused period. I can't take him serious.

Tupac, now that's a true lyricist. The man wrote songs for days, something that a normal rock star or pop singer could never do in a life time. The man literally slept in the studio. From hardcore verses, to laidback grooves, then to mind boggling lyrics that'll sadden your mood, the man was a genius in the art of poetry. Though his life style was his downfall, you can never doubt his credibility as a poet.

I respect reven as an artist, if your anywheres in the hip hop section you cant say you dont respect him. I think most of us respect eachother... the outsiders that come in and try to start shit give us a bad name. Beef this Beef that. Fuck that. Hip-Hop is a culture you either live it or you dont its your choice.

R.I.P. Jay Dec 25 2007 I felt like i had to add that in. Were sitting here and arguing over stupid shit like this and people are getting killed and dieing and shit. We need to get real guys and grow the fuck up. Reven, honestly fuck evryone else man. You can ignore all this shit and show them better, i know what you can do.

People are always going to hate.
With every good thing theres 2 bad things that follow.
Its life.

This is my last post in here guys.
Im done.

yeeeeh let's fight togetha nigg4!

50 Cent, Eminem, Soulja Boy, these are representative of Rap, not Hip-Hop. And today's rap is all about quick money, fadistic sales and marketing strategies, and radioplay at the cost of artistic expression. Hip-hop, as has been reiterated time and again in this discussion, is musical and artistic expression of a high degree which oftimes includes rap, but is not solely bound by that subgenre.

Tupac, on the other hand, was a lyricist, poet, and writer who has published prose and poetry, spoken word tracks, and was an accomplished student of acting and music theory. His words came in complex strains, using everything from onomatopeia to alliteration in rhymes. How many of the crappy Nu Metal groups use any lyrical/poetic devices? None. Emo needs no lyrics, just crying and complaining about being middle class and not having a Porsche over the same 3 chord powerchord guitar riffs that were played out in the 80's, let alone in '07. So don't even begin to compare "metal" with Hip-Hop, it's outrageous.

The funny thing about the "ego" comments in this discussion is that, while some Hip-Hop artists do have a large ego (and if you get into the business side of things, ego is mandatory for success) ALL metal frontmen have a huge ego. That's why so many anti-hip-hop fanatics talk so much $hit because they think they are the end-all, be-all of musical expression. Too bad most metal leads don't write any of the music and even their lyrics are generally ghostwritten by production teams in mainstream music, so they are basically vocal instruments played by someone else and not even in control of their own music. All of this anti-hip-hop boohooing is sad, really, since I've yet to see a single hip-hop artist write an "I hate techno, so you score a 0" or "I hate metal, so you get a 0" review. But the opposite does not hold true.

Again, I'll reiterate and uphold that if you hate hip-hop, stay out of the hip-hop section. It's a simple concept. I don't like country music so I don't call into the local country music station and complain. Making real hip-hop music isn't easy and it's hilarious to hear the detractors claim that it is.

I find it rather funny that none of the regulars give a damn about this topic and only use it to mock those that take it "seriously"...

reflect on that why dont you.

You guys should stop dissin' on rap. It's true to the heart unlike most music you guys listen to. Unless of course your emo. In that case go pain in a corner because if you pain with the pained brothas you'll just get disrespected.

I think you mean dissin on hip-hop - everyone loves rap ;)

At 12/29/07 09:11 PM, Chronamut wrote: I think you mean dissin on hip-hop - everyone loves rap ;)

No one cares. Remember, this is a capitalist government.

thats why the rappers want you to love them - so they can make moooney - but at least they had talent.

others just want your money and screw with your mind with meaningless garbage.

go on - take your 2000 era genre pick.

i particulary hate that rap and hip hop producers usually can't play one fucking instrument and they call tehmselves great "musicians".

LOL AT THEIR LACK OF THEORY!!

well its a good thing I can play an instrument or 2 :P

At 12/29/07 10:24 PM, preffertobedead wrote: i particulary hate that rap and hip hop producers usually can't play one fucking instrument and they call tehmselves great "musicians".

LOL AT THEIR LACK OF THEORY!!

theory doesnt mean playing an instrument, and music isnt just our "traditional" instruments, broaden your mind

stop feeding the trolls :P

At 12/29/07 10:47 PM, Chronamut wrote: stop feeding the trolls :P

but its so DAMN EASY!

"GO TO SLEEP BITCH, DIE, WHY YOU STILL ALIVE... "

Eminem was singing about this thread when he wrote that. RULE#10

Man I'm glad I don't come around very often anymore lol

I play guitar(own an Ibanez and Gibson hollowbox w/ Humbucker pickups, circa 1974 and 1975, as well as Takamine 1974 acoustic), classical piano, keyboards(Casio CZ-1000), bass guitar(Washburn Mercury Series II), as well as other instruments ranging from violin and fiddle to flute, piccolo, and stage and marching band drums. Almost every Hip-Hop producer plays at least one instrument, the keyboard. It's the backbone of everything in the studio. Programming melodies by hand a la FL with no keyboard is tedious and in today's market, there's no need. A decent keyrig costs from 100$ up, which is less than most sequencing programs. So the comment that most rap/hip-hop producers can't play instruments is garbage and possibly the stupidest comment on this thread yet. I know I'm laughing my a$$ off at the thought.

Heck, I'd offer that the comment might be better aimed at a large amount (probably not most, but quite a few) of Turntablists, as I've met quite a few who couldn't play a single instrument, but could mix records and use samples through hardware triggers better than anyone I know. It doesn't matter if you can play an instrument, as long as you can create music in your own manner in an original way. Music Theory is ever changing and is, actually, very subjective as opposed to objective. Every culture has it's own theories on what sounds good.

Take Pentatonic versus Locrian progressions, for instance. Being raised in the U.S., the vast majority of music here is based on Pentatonic progressions, so it can sound odd to hear gamelan or Locrian chordings from, say, Eastern cultures. That doesn't mean it's not good music or that these chord progressions aren't part of good music theory, merely that my ears aren't tuned to this system. Then there's 3/4, 4/4, and 5/4 timing which can also make music sound drastically different from what you are used to. Jazz in 5/4 timing can be daunting to those who have heard nothing but vanilla 4/4 timing, and the same goes for Waltzes and classical pieces in 3/4.

Don't try to make your cultural music preferences the yardstick by which ALL music is measured. That leads to close mindedness and idiocy when you try to critique someone else's work, rather than giving helpful comments and reviewing the work on it's own terms.