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At 12/25/07 07:20 PM, preffertobedead wrote: -Someone set us up the bomb

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hooray! for bad spelling!

You are master of keeping on topic. :D


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At 12/25/07 07:34 PM, Chronamut wrote: wasnt it all your base are belong to us? :P

yeah true...

i try to keep on topic i swear...=|.

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Well I think as a whole, hip hop, be it old skool or new, has gotten shit regardless of what people say or do about it. I was looking through the scores and reviews and on an average, songs that are in the hip hop genres tend to score lower overall than in any other genre. As Rucklo said, there's the perception of that "tough" attitude that HH exudes that's inescapable. HOWEVER, as cut-throat as it seems, nothing compares to the electronica genres. Sure there's the occasional 0-bomber, but I've noticed that in the electronica genres, those within that category 0-bomb more tracks than in HH as a whole. It's safe to say that in HH's case, it's safe as long as the attention is good. We're all reasonably intelligent people (well... some of us anyway), so why the bullshit? Ignorance perhaps? Or is it because you never gave HH a chance and just bash it every chance you get? The answer lies in all of us.

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Aww, come on.
Newgrounds does not degrade Hip-hop...
Hip-hop degrades newgrounds.

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At 12/25/07 11:10 PM, Fuoco wrote: Aww, come on.
Newgrounds does not degrade Hip-hop...
Hip-hop degrades newgrounds.
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seconded.

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At 12/25/07 06:12 PM, Chronamut wrote:
At 12/25/07 05:42 PM, Poetic-Reven wrote:
well your gay
do you HONESTLY think that's an insult that built its foundations on homosexuality? Lol

I mean.. half the mods are even gay :P

and ive got the pics and cam time to prove it :P
oh and once again

goldencat loves plaid tees lol :P

actaully no i really don't but i don't care i've gotten tired of the bullshit and i'm just gonna be as ignorant as everybody else so your gay too

don't hate me because i make hip hop i ain't gonna say nothing i let my music speak for itself

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At 12/25/07 11:10 PM, Fuoco wrote: Aww, come on.
Newgrounds does not degrade Hip-hop...
Hip-hop degrades newgrounds.
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and you degrade yourself for not shuttin the fuck up thank you very much......Hip Hop doesn't degrade shit but i guess lame enough's like you just love talking shit how bout you go to hell...first of all i say this and this alone half of these so called "artists" on this site couldn't touch me with a flagpole homeboi

95% of NG degrades hip hop ...i've gotten respect but i'm backing up the newer artists comin to the hip hop portal i haven't just been speaking on myself cuz i really don't care i just like reveiws from ppl thas it...but i am the most respected producer/artist in the hip hop portal so i wanna back up the rookies who are here now in which i post every now and then and if any of your bastard talking about put periods and punctuations in my typin ....fuk that ...thas just how i type ...deal with it....

You degrade yourself and your whole generation asshole

don't hate me because i make hip hop i ain't gonna say nothing i let my music speak for itself

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lawl but I AM

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God damn... this topic is still going on ?? crist!!

Well look.. I think I know why most of the NG listeners will degrade hip hop.. because 70% of the stuff on the hip hop section sucks. If you look at our top page.. we got freaking scrubs who uses FL7 soundpacks up the ass *NO HOMO* and make the top 50. I'd say instead of blaming NG for hating us.. I'd say blame ourselves for making the scrub producers give an example of hip hop on the modern section.
I'd say we all quit whining about NG this and that.. and make better music to make it to the top. But yeah.. most of you will respond saying "The people who don't have beef always make it to the top" or "I got people who downvote all my tracks because they pwn".. if that's the case.. freaking get support, call up your fan/listeners.. and have them "fairly vote" your songs. End of story.. now lets all stfu and make music.

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At 12/26/07 04:44 PM, TheEyeOfMusiK wrote: i own..

haha,.but i don't want this thread dies..i like to read the hip-hop guys acting like cryboys...=(

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At 12/26/07 03:45 AM, Poetic-Reven wrote:
At 12/25/07 11:10 PM, Fuoco wrote: Aww, come on.
Newgrounds does not degrade Hip-hop...
Hip-hop degrades newgrounds.
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and you degrade yourself for not shuttin the fuck up thank you very much......Hip Hop doesn't degrade shit but i guess lame enough's like you just love talking shit how bout you go to hell

First of all, you need to learn not to feed the trolls. You do a very bad job of that.

Also, though this is just my personal opinion, I think hip hop degrades women. With the amount of 'ho' used in a lot of mainstream hip hop, it's degrading to women. That's just how I see it.


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At 12/26/07 03:45 AM, Poetic-Reven wrote:

:" but i am the most respected producer/artist in the hip hop portal."

HAHAHAHA!!! I CAN LOL ALL NIGHT AT THAT xDD...what a big EGO u have my friend...i don't even consider my own "art" as music..i just make funny noise with programs.

funny how everyone hates hip-hop artist cuz they act like if they were the best in the world and u just acted like one of them...

if u want to be treated in a good way start being a lil bit more humble.

i dislike ppl who think that they are great musicians/producers/composers...how stupid and egotistical persons...most of them can barely read sheet music...=S.

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I think that this whole thread is one giant misuse of the word degrade....


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At 12/26/07 09:24 PM, preffertobedead wrote:
i dislike ppl who think that they are great musicians/producers/composers...how stupid and egotistical persons...most of them can barely read sheet music...=S.

Yeah exactly, I mean even though I am the best heavy metal artist on the internet, I agree with you completely... :p

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At 12/27/07 12:06 AM, GoreBastard wrote:
At 12/26/07 09:24 PM, preffertobedead wrote:
i dislike ppl who think that they are great musicians/producers/composers...how stupid and egotistical persons...most of them can barely read sheet music...=S.
Yeah exactly, I mean even though I am the best heavy metal artist on the internet, I agree with you completely... :p

lols

LMAO

I dont know, people consider me a pretty good musician (this is not ego talking)
I really dont know how to read sheet music or know any music theory. I do everything by ear and i actually take time to try and learn stuff for myself... i dont see alot of people trying to do there own thing now-a-days. It really bugs me that people are lazy... Do they expect a career in music or is it just a hobby? or are they just trying to be "cool" like kanye or timbo? (they both suck in my opinion by the way lol... okay they may have one or 2 good beats) i make music because it makes me feel good and i can forget where i am. Its my escape i guess.

If i could send a message to people that dislike hip hop it would be "Just try and make Hip-Hop music for your self and write what you feel... Dont listen to commercial music and just be yourself "DO YOUR THING" pretty much."

And for the Hip-Hop artists out there, people dont degrade Hip-Hop, they degrade the sterotype.
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That's the other side of the coin. People say I'm always *TOO* theoretical when providing criticism. OF COURSE 2ND INTERVALS DON'T WORK WITH EPIC TRANCE YOU IDIOTS!

But yeah, I respect you 69.

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At 12/27/07 07:35 AM, endlessnumber wrote: That's the other side of the coin. People say I'm always *TOO* theoretical when providing criticism. OF COURSE 2ND INTERVALS DON'T WORK WITH EPIC TRANCE YOU IDIOTS!

But yeah, I respect you 69.

why do you think its called music theory, not music fact?


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At 12/27/07 07:35 AM, endlessnumber wrote: That's the other side of the coin. People say I'm always *TOO* theoretical when providing criticism. OF COURSE 2ND INTERVALS DON'T WORK WITH EPIC TRANCE YOU IDIOTS!

Haha, problem is that the dude had no idea what you meant there!

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How is this still alive?

Quite frankly, all this bad-talking of hip-hop music (note: not rap) is really ineffective. Anyone that's in touch with the true hip-hop culture knows that their music is a medium for artistic expression.

But seeing people continue to just be completely and utterly confused about what hip-hop is bothers me. The ignorance is just staggering.

There are a handful of artists here with the true B-boy spirit in them that are truly in touch with the hip-hop culture. It's history is riddled with the struggle of the lay man, his triumphs, and his downfalls. Hip-hop today strives to epitomize the spirit of b-boys busting out the cardboard at a block party; the spirit of a swamprat philosopher with no home, crafting the right words to describe his plight; the spirit of the unknown kid rhyming in a cipher in a New York subway.

Hip-hop does not give a @#%! about your culture, creed, skin color, social status, age, or anything else for that matter. There are artists that spend months, sometimes years, carefully crafting breakbeats, melodies, and poetry with the right texture and emotion imbued in them to express their struggle in the real world, their successes, their highs and their lows. This is what hip-hop cares about -- artistic expression.

I, as well as many other artists here, are proud to be those people that wish to express themselves. I've been in seclusion lately trying to write fresh material, something new to people's ears that they haven't heard before in the genre, something that is connected to my muse, my soul. Not unlike other genres (metal, punk, trance to name a few) this is what hip-hop is about., this is what all musicians must do.

But to see people brush off hip-hop as "FL presets with clicks and whistles garbage music" is just sad. It's sad to see that you're so ignorant and have such a warped view of reality that you can't connect with what truly is a spiritual genre. To think artists such as Soulja Boy are representations of what hip-hop is just adds to your ignorance and fills me with sadness. To think your perspective of hip-hop is so narrowed does the same.

Just because you choose not to want to relate to the message behind the music, does not make it any less of a genre.

The messages within hip-hop music are purposefully chosen with the intent to connect with every person that has experienced something in their life. Happy businessmen, the clinically depressed, the homeless and the richest of the rich can all understand the simple message that is encapsulated in the music. Some just simply refuse to do so.

And hey, maybe that's our fault as artists. Maybe we are born with some kind of complex, forcing us to believe our own genre is the only one that exists, the only "right" one. Maybe we aren't doing a good job in connecting with the fans that we already have as well as new ones, or even strengthening the bonds that already exist.

Try putting yourself in our shoes. Chances are the common hip-hop artist doesn't really "get" death metal or punk rock or psytrance, because they don't really understand the message behind it. Sure, it's music, often times incredibly composed music, but there is no true connection to us. We are in this genre because it's what we have connected with.

Unfortunately, there will never be peace in the world of music, let alone the whole frickin' world.
So please, I implore you. Continue to question the genre of hip-hop with such futility. The true hip-hop artists will continue to put out incredible works, do what they were born to do. The negativity this world is filled with will continue to fail at phasing what truly is a beautiful genre.


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I dont like Hip-Hop but for a personal taste, dont meaning if it good or awful, but i dont like.


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At 12/26/07 03:45 AM, Poetic-Reven wrote:
At 12/25/07 11:10 PM, Fuoco wrote: Aww, come on.
Newgrounds does not degrade Hip-hop...
Hip-hop degrades newgrounds.
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You degrade yourself and your whole generation asshole

Haha, you're ugly.

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At 12/26/07 09:24 PM, preffertobedead wrote:
At 12/26/07 03:45 AM, Poetic-Reven wrote: " but i am the most respected producer/artist in the hip hop portal."
HAHAHAHA!!! I CAN LOL ALL NIGHT AT THAT xDD...what a big EGO u have my friend...i don't even consider my own "art" as music..i just make funny noise with programs.

funny how everyone hates hip-hop artist cuz they act like if they were the best in the world and u just acted like one of them...

if u want to be treated in a good way start being a lil bit more humble.

i dislike ppl who think that they are great musicians/producers/composers...how stupid and egotistical persons...most of them can barely read sheet music...=S.

well u know what all of us have egos in some way like i wuz told before it is what separates us from animals and yes i am the most respected artist in the hip hop portal so i said it...so what if i have a ego who doesn't have an ego maybe not u...but i feel confident in my music

and i can read and write music just for your info i wuz in band half of my life and i plan on going to music school next year ...ever heard of a school called Full Sail look it up .....u might be surprised that a person like me is going to school it's not all about bitches and hoes or cars and clothes you have to kno your business to know what your doing.....

i'm tired of being humble in the forums

don't hate me because i make hip hop i ain't gonna say nothing i let my music speak for itself

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At 12/27/07 03:34 PM, Fuoco wrote:
At 12/26/07 03:45 AM, Poetic-Reven wrote:
At 12/25/07 11:10 PM, Fuoco wrote: Aww, come on.
Newgrounds does not degrade Hip-hop...
Hip-hop degrades newgrounds.
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You degrade yourself and your whole generation asshole
Haha, you're ugly.

and your just a lame son of a bitch

don't hate me because i make hip hop i ain't gonna say nothing i let my music speak for itself

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At 12/27/07 07:14 PM, Poetic-Reven wrote:
well u know what all of us have egos in some way like i wuz told before it is what separates us from animals and yes i am the most respected artist in the hip hop portal so i said it...so what if i have a ego who doesn't have an ego maybe not u...but i feel confident in my music

Good..at least u realize that ur an egotistical dumb.


and i can read and write music just for your info i wuz in band half of my life and i plan on going to music school next year ...ever heard of a school called Full Sail look it up .....u might be surprised that a person like me is going to school it's not all about bitches and hoes or cars and clothes you have to kno your business to know what your doing.....

i've checked ur submissions...doesn't look like good melodies..jes..
ur profile says:

JOB: Producer/Rapper

HAHAH!!!!

can some1 kill this fucker?


i'm tired of being humble in the forums

before getting tired of something u must start doing it.

im sorry for threating u like this..but this is the kind of hip-hoper artist that doesn't fit..
i like the way in that Greeksta-69 thinks...in fact..i think he is a nice guy..i hope he gets good making hip hop...and he speaks always with his mind not with his imaginary e-penis like u do.

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At 12/27/07 07:21 PM, preffertobedead wrote:
At 12/27/07 07:14 PM, Poetic-Reven wrote:
well u know what all of us have egos in some way like i wuz told before it is what separates us from animals and yes i am the most respected artist in the hip hop portal so i said it...so what if i have a ego who doesn't have an ego maybe not u...but i feel confident in my music
Good..at least u realize that ur an egotistical dumb.

and i can read and write music just for your info i wuz in band half of my life and i plan on going to music school next year ...ever heard of a school called Full Sail look it up .....u might be surprised that a person like me is going to school it's not all about bitches and hoes or cars and clothes you have to kno your business to know what your doing.....
i've checked ur submissions...doesn't look like good melodies..jes..
ur profile says:

JOB: Producer/Rapper

HAHAH!!!!

can some1 kill this fucker?

i'm tired of being humble in the forums
before getting tired of something u must start doing it.

im sorry for threating u like this..but this is the kind of hip-hoper artist that doesn't fit..
i like the way in that Greeksta-69 thinks...in fact..i think he is a nice guy..i hope he gets good making hip hop...and he speaks always with his mind not with his imaginary e-penis like u do.

Cheers.

anyway i don't care how you feel about greeksta i'm not him i whole different person and can you respect that i pay bills by sellin beatz or is that below your standard and yes i have been humble in the past about two years ago on this forum and all ppl really do is take shots at me so fuck that...and about what you said about my music that's your opinion ...your entitled to that....and having an ego to me is a good thing....but i don't disrespect anyone unless i feel i'm disrespected....when you feel no one can stop you.....and no one has....beat battle or freestyle battle so yea ...say what what you say shoot me stab me but words will never hurt me....i feel of ya energy......

don't hate me because i make hip hop i ain't gonna say nothing i let my music speak for itself

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At 12/27/07 07:48 PM, Poetic-Reven wrote: ...say what what you say shoot me stab me but words will never hurt me...

O RLY?

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At 12/27/07 08:07 PM, Fuoco wrote:
At 12/27/07 07:48 PM, Poetic-Reven wrote: ...say what what you say shoot me stab me but words will never hurt me...
O RLY?

Omg... If you have nothing serious to contribute just leave, please.

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At 12/27/07 08:32 PM, Greeksta-69 wrote: Omg... If you have nothing serious to contribute just leave, please.

Come on, it's pure stuff like: "It sucks; I pwn; u fail; GTFO"
I just tought on bringing something funny :D

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