At 12/4/07 01:07 PM, OMGx wrote: WHy do people degrade hip-hop? Because it sucks.

Prove it.

I LOVE HIp-Hop, mainly cause my brother is a rapper... (www.myspace.com/theyungsire)

Many people think that Hip-Hop is all about girls, sex, drugs and the money. Guess what, it's not. SO all those haterz out there just shut ur fricken mouth!@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Man-in-a-bush

Yeah, as Greeksta-69 said....... Prove that Hip-Hop sucks...

Man-in-a-bush

LOL at this thread..

NG doesn't degrade Hip-Hop...

Hip-Hop degrades itself.

At 12/4/07 07:47 PM, preffertobedead wrote: LOL at this thread..

NG doesn't degrade Hip-Hop...

Hip-Hop degrades itself.

Why would hip hop want to degrade itself... use commen sence man...
Ill agree there are some artists that make shitty music but hey, some people like it and some people dont. Everyones entitled to there own opinions. If someone wants to use the same break beat over and over again in millions of songs then let them do it... What people here are trying to say is that Newgroundlings generally dont pay much attention to the Hip hop section and it dosent get the credit it desirves.

We are starting to give hip hop a good name on the site though :)

Just look at the front page.

I see a lot of sample bashing. I'll be the first one to admit that I sample. More than I originally should. But it's my specialty. I could easily flip any song and make it sound like the most original thing you'd hear put together with a mouse. As far as the situation of Hip-Hop being overlooked, it isn't the only genre in the boat. At least people like Stamper enjoy a good hip-hop song, even more so the famous people on this site will recognize the talent put into a hip-hop track, weather it be sampled or all original. Sampling really isn't illegal on this site either. Because you'll see a lot of "remixes" of VG songs, and all they did was most of the time is upload the midi through FL Studio, and add their own instruments, equalize it, and there you go. Instant NG classic. So what's so wrong about actually taking an MP3 file, actually mixing it up, adding echoes, changing the entire sound of the track itself, and throwing a beat on it? I've did my share of VG remixes, and I will say that is completely boring for the simple fact that the only input you actually have is choice of sounds. Now when you flip a mp3 or wav files, it's a whole other ball game.

At 12/5/07 09:44 PM, Chronamut wrote:

At 12/4/07 01:13 PM, Greeksta-69 wrote:

At 12/4/07 01:07 PM, OMGx wrote: WHy do people degrade hip-hop? Because it sucks.

Prove it.

Goldencat.

You'll NEVER let that go, will you?

At 12/4/07 01:07 PM, OMGx wrote: WHy do people degrade hip-hop? Because it sucks.

Better than heavy metal.
I like hip hop, it's my favorite genre and even though I'm not very good at it yet, hip hop isn't as easy as most of you guys think. Well, samples I admit don't require too much effort but they sound cool. Original tracks can be pretty complicated depending on how complex the song is. And to answer the question of the topic, it's because basically NG is made up of mostly people who simply aren't interested in it. Instead, most of the users like techno and trance. But just like hip hop, there's good and bad electronic music allthough the enfasis is mainly focused on the good.

Summation: Because Newgrounds hip-hop sucks.
There's no degrading involved, it's simply telling it as it is.

At 11/29/07 12:58 AM, Poetic-Reven wrote: the question i ask is why

That's when both sides will spend time struggling to define it; and by song's only means: technicality. The only things technicality can offer are pointing out skill levels, which add weight to any discussion about music. The problem of technicality is that judging music is for the most part by ear, making neat little educated guesses about what sweet VSTs you used and what kind of hawt beat pattern you got going on.

Example of Technicality:

At 11/29/07 01:14 AM, New-Milkman wrote: 200-some posts is not a lot. And the reason people give you shit might be because you lacked to use what most would consider good posts for a "serious" topic. Using a huge run-on sentence does is not looked very highly upon.

(Which, btw, milky, if they were 200 concentrated posts of ass-kicking-helpful-awesome-modlike bullshit that timelines since the beginning of the AF, that user would have a much higher social status. Otherwise you'd have a pretty decent point.)

Another:

At 11/29/07 05:20 AM, jrayteam6 wrote: I'd rather listen to shitty rap tracks than everyones phaser happy chord builder FL chopper stock sytrus bullshit ass electronica. I mean seriously. ParagonXwhatever has some simple arps and some filters and just has a knack for finding easy to remember melodys. I mean. Any idiot can make a rap beat, but FL comes made for idiots and boring trance music.

You need to lose the FL presets, seriously.

And they just keep coming!

At 11/29/07 04:29 PM, YunVeroz wrote: To be fair, a good portion of the drum presets in FL are based on the synths/drum machines (such as the 808) that literally MADE the genre of hip-hop. If you want, use a pulse wave instead of a sine, i'm sure the bass will sound just as fantastic (sarcasm).

And while they're educated guesses, in this context they're usually wrong, or go right over the head of the targetted person, and you get this:

At 11/30/07 01:52 AM, Poetic-Reven wrote: what the hell are you talking about

SO.
From an objective, intellectual standpoint, the hip-hop NG creates (assuming it's the kind you make), is simply the bi-product of an awful society, awful for what it stands for, strives for, and tends to actually be.

As result, the subjective " talk about tastes, what music sounds good" details and technicality of a genre are just big ways of stepping around saying the genre not only sounds bad, but is also pointless.

At 11/29/07 01:44 AM, Poetic-Reven wrote: Listen To Me :D not to be cocky but i believe i have some good tracks on here

Of course you do! Which is another giant flaw. No, not the egotism. You're mildly satisfied with your music, but you'll only be completely satisfied if you get recognition by having other people say it for you.

So to be an asshole, if everyone thinks your music sucks, and you keep pursuing it, is a mystery by your own standards.

At 12/6/07 04:01 AM, Erkie wrote: From an objective, intellectual standpoint, the hip-hop NG creates (assuming it's the kind you make), is simply the bi-product of an awful society, awful for what it stands for, strives for, and tends to actually be.

In a sense... true... I know for one that NG's Hip-Hop society tends to be one of the shittiest. It consists of liars, egotistical morons who are convinced that everyone is just "hating on them," a bunch of newbies who figure since they now have FL, they can be just like Soulja Boi, and possibly... one of the worst kinds in the NG Portal EVAR!!

The Internet "Gangsta"

But having these facts here doesn't mean that Hip-Hop was shunned away from the light, and it seems that no one cares for it. It just means a lot less people care for it since we have those type of people in that section of the Audio Portal. It's really a sad thing, especially when you work hard on a Hip-Hop piece, only to have it rejected by those who feel that, "It wasn't crunk enough." Things like this really let me down since my style of Hip-Hop consists of sampling classical and video game music. But I figured that it's only NG, the place where Trance, Techno, and Classical reign supreme. So I tend not to stress it as much.

The only hip-hop-ish song i like

the rest is SHIT SHIT AND MORE SHIT.

Still i hate the fact that Hip-Hop artists talk always about their life's in their songs..HEY YOU ..HIP-HOP ARTIST...I DON'T CARE!!

just like Eminem...is always "ohh my lil girl my lil girl"...HEY YOU..EMINEM...I DON'T CARE

and pfshhh of course the other morons like 25 cents who always appear in a slow motion camera effect YO YO IM IN THA CLUB AND BITCHES AIN'T SHIT FO' M3 AND I HUV THE MONY!!!..- HEY YOU....50 cents...YOU'R A FUCKING TARDED

and like that with all the artists..even Tupac and the rest of stupid sick fucks who put some rhymes to tell the world HOW DIFFICULT IS THEIR LIFES ohh TEH NOES!!!

Sing about something in general..not about your life..no1 cares that...this song i like is only cuz havve a good rhyesn't repeat the same loop over and over..but still...he lyrics..are not the best..

so if the guys who appear on TV sucks and the rest of the guys copy the TV guys..then all the HIP HOP sucks!!!...it's just my opinion..but im not all closed..when i hear a good song i don't insult it..but still i can't find one single hip hoper that sings something that i can found interesting or i can feel identificated...

excuse my english im Argentinian

my keyboard...is...teh fail.

stupid typos..even in my user name i have one...¬¬

At 12/6/07 11:14 PM, preffertobedead wrote: Sing about something in general..not about your life..no1 cares that...this song i like is only cuz havve a good rhyesn't repeat the same loop over and over..but still...he lyrics..are not the best..

Well, for the record, there are people who do care. It's a form of poetry, so of course rappers are going to express the way they feel through the best way they know how to. And jotting down a few ideas about the past can make a man feel better. People express the way they feel through music period, and it is a rapper's job to do it lyrically on an instrumental. Plus, I feel it is harder to come out with a rap than any other form of lyrics for the simple fact that not only do you have more to say, you have a less amount of time to say it. The reason why you don't like rap is because you haven't found the right song yet. I'm not sure you ever will either, just because of the way you talk about hip-hop so bad. Just remember this...

Hip-Hop is a way of life. Rapping is what we do...

At 12/6/07 11:14 PM, preffertobedead wrote: The only hip-hop-ish song i like

the rest is SHIT SHIT AND MORE SHIT.

Still i hate the fact that Hip-Hop artists talk always about their life's in their songs..HEY YOU ..HIP-HOP ARTIST...I DON'T CARE!!

First off yous ay this because you dont listen to all the words that matter...
Second off you cant relate.
Third off its not about a rappers life, its about life in general...
If you dont like it dont listen, and dont talk shit about it.
IN DA CULB was a club song made for people that like to do the things 50 was talking about.. Yeah its hard to believe people actually go out clubbing and drink and have a fun time....

Same with Eminem... You dont have a little girl? exactly... if you did you would write the world for her if you could, unless your just another one of those fuckers that leaves there kids when there 4... then your kid will probly grow up to write songs about you leaving... Hehe ironic...

Tupac... His songs alone have influenced a whole genre and millions of people so dont talk shit about him... they teach courses in collage about him and his lyrics.

You discriminate against hip hop because of sterotypes.
Listen to the music for yourself and you will see.. dont listen to the one song then say "this is garbage"

If its not your thing then its not your thing but theres no need to degrade it and shit....
You dont see hip hop artists comign and degrading whatever the fuck type of music you make if you even make music... im not dissing you im just trying to get my thoughts through your head.

The Hip Hop in the portal doesn't suck, but there are fundamental flaws in what conspires from the bedroom to the portal which at some point makes the song... well... degradable.

Firstly, nearly EVERY Hip Hop song i've listened to here in the portal revolves around somebody singing about something that isn't them.

I've yet to see a
15 year old slugga
blast their motha,
and then the fatha,
leave their guts in the gutter
and then scope for anotha!

it's all influenced crap that makes them think singing about will somehow rub off on them. Mainstream has too heavily influenced these artists into producing something that is not at all related to them, and when you're not only not talented enough beat wise to hide your incompetence, but also not experienced enough to lie for it, you get a laughable, poor excuse for a track created.

Rap can be pure, it can be gold, and powerful. But only if it comes from a true source. Like said before, Eminem wrote powerful stuff, as do many underground rap groups I know, because they're out to tell the world their view, through their eyes.

What do the 15 years olds have to talk about? Their failed math test?

And as such, with nothing to sing about, they resort to reaching to somebody elses heart.

A fake.

At 12/7/07 12:39 AM, MaestroRage wrote: What do the 15 years olds have to talk about? Their failed math test?

And as such, with nothing to sing about, they resort to reaching to somebody elses heart.

A fake.

Agreed.

At 12/7/07 12:55 AM, war-spawn wrote:

At 12/7/07 12:39 AM, MaestroRage wrote: What do the 15 years olds have to talk about? Their failed math test?

And as such, with nothing to sing about, they resort to reaching to somebody elses heart.

A fake.

Agreed.

i second that

face

At 12/7/07 11:48 AM, Chronamut wrote: of COURSE I won't - its the one shining example of the worst music imaginable on ngs. I shall bring it up on every occasion I am able to!

Little man got flow. LOL

At 11/29/07 01:14 AM, New-Milkman wrote:

At 11/29/07 12:58 AM, Poetic-Reven wrote:

200-some posts is not a lot. And the reason people give you shit might be because you lacked to use what most would consider good posts for a "serious" topic. Using a huge run-on sentence does is not looked very highly upon.

I wuz on NG while you were jacking off to porn mang

And ironically, he just validated that he's an idiot.

I like hip hop Its very similiar to electronic music most beats produced for this site are pretty good. I have no issue with hip hop.

I say why argue?? This topic won't make a difference. It's only going to have more people show their ignorance about hip hop. Of course the majority of NG users don't like Hip Hop, and that's just how it is. (Trust me, I've made a post kinda like this and got the same "BullShmit" from other users.) Hip Hop isn't ment for this site.. the "crowd" prefers techno. (EXAMPLE) That's like us going to a rock concert and asking everybody "Why don't like Hip Hop?"

At 12/17/07 01:17 AM, TheEyeOfMusiK wrote: I say why argue?? This topic won't make a difference. It's only going to have more people show their ignorance about hip hop. Of course the majority of NG users don't like Hip Hop, and that's just how it is. (Trust me, I've made a post kinda like this and got the same "BullShmit" from other users.) Hip Hop isn't ment for this site.. the "crowd" prefers techno. (EXAMPLE) That's like us going to a rock concert and asking everybody "Why don't like Hip Hop?"

Yeah, threads like this just go in circles and only end with people flaming eachother. The two main groups will each state why they think a certain way and the other group will pass it off as ignorance or something like that. So nothin will be accomplished, each is as stubborn as the other.
I would be one of those people who are ignorant about hip hop. So I'm not going to try and give my opinion on this topic. However, I DO think that when people ignorant of hip hop, or any genre, for that matter takes the time to listen to a genre they're ignorant to, it is most important to give a review that is honest. If you feel that your view of their song is biased because of your tastes, state that and try to give your review as unbiassed as possible, as if you were some sort of music critic. You don't have to like a genre to be able to appreciate the work invested in the music of a particular style. There are some brilliant revolutionary composers who were booed off stage because their music was so revolutionarliy (is that a word?) different.

So, I guess, what I'm trying to say is that more people need to learn to appreciate a wider range of music instead of just saying "hip hop suxx!!!! 0/10" etc etc.

I don't necessarily like listening to classical music all the time, but I can sure as hell appreciate the work behind it, why not the same for hip hop?

But, I've mentioned this before, this conversation, and variants of it (eg. Garageband threads) will just go around in circles with little to no productivity, as those who post in the thread have their minds made up about it and civil debate is not possible because when the other side gives their opinion it's as if they put their fingers in their ears and go "la la la la".

I don't know what else to say, it's all pointless, for the main part, people only listen to the stuff they agree with, and become even more biassed...

I don't know what else to say, it's all pointless, for the main part, people only listen to the stuff they agree with, and become even more biassed...

You're right, respecting music because it's music is the answer to all of our problems, just like the generalization respect human beings because they're human beings; helps to get more specific.

Yeah, threads like this just go in circles and only end with people flaming eachother. The two main groups will each state why they think a certain way and the other group will pass it off as ignorance or something like that. So nothin will be accomplished, each is as stubborn as the other.

Have you even read the topic, or after a few posts you decided you'd unearthed a wise secret?

Of course threads like these get nowhere, the question is why, so we can figure it out and end the idiocy.

At 12/17/07 02:10 AM, Erkie wrote: You're right, respecting music because it's music is the answer to all of our problems, just like the generalization respect human beings because they're human beings; helps to get more specific.

No, not quite. You don't respect music because it's music, because some music is terrible. But on the flip side, there's a lot of music that people don't respect because it doesn't suit their tastes. But just because it's a different genre to your tastes, it doesn't mean that it isn't good. It may be rubbish, but if you don't actually TRY to listen and appreciate other genres, you won't know if it's any good or not.

This MIGHT be because a lot of musicians nowdays are self taught and just play guitar or just compose techno stuff on FL, and they don't understand that hip hop music is made up of rhythms and melodies, harmonies and chords, which is the same things that make up their songs, they just use different guidelines to create the more specific hip hop sound. A lot of musicians may not pick up on that, but if you take in everything when you listen to a hip hop song, the drums, the phrasing, the lyrics and vocals, the different instruments, the ordering of the different sections, you can appreciate good music, regardless of genre, the bassline is the same, the construction is different, but the work is still there.

Have you even read the topic, or after a few posts you decided you'd unearthed a wise secret?

No, I didn't, not completely, but I've read through enough threads like this to understand what's going on. And I wouldn't really call it "unearthing a wise secret", as it's not really secret, is it. I'd call it ignorance of most people, judging a song before they've heard it, more people need to get more cultured with their understanding of the overall picture of music, and then there'd be less "why don't you like my music?!". I believe greeksta69 made a decent news post about improving the way we review audio.

Of course threads like these get nowhere, the question is why, so we can figure it out and end the idiocy.

So, you don't think me revealing my "wise secrets" will help change that? Do you think that I posted something other than "hip hop suxx!!!" just to stir up a shitstorm and get me some trolls on my back? No! I posted because I actually tried to contribute something decent to this thread, because the people flaming eachother clearly don't care about why ng degrades hip hop. They get under the skins of the hip hop artists and it spills over and they start going round in circles. If you know these threads go nowhere, then why do you post in them? It's because you want things to change, you want to stop the prejudice held against hip hop. Of course, I agree, but I assure you that these people won't change their mind all too soon because some people in a thread said so, and followed it up by flaming the flamers back.

I'm all for equality, here on NG, but I don't have my fingers crossed that everything will be fine and dandy in time for Christmas. I'm just putting out my ideas that most people in here are fighting an argument that neither can win, and I'll be happy if anyone takes note of what I said and tries to be more considerate in the future.

At 11/29/07 01:16 AM, Stamper wrote: I like hip-hop.

...six dicks in a row... ...six dicks in a row...

SIX DICKS IN A ROW

Because alot of hiphop artists are idiots, one bad apple spoils the bunch.

Case in point.

At 12/17/07 06:41 AM, endlessnumber wrote: Because alot of hiphop artists are idiots, one bad apple spoils the bunch.

Case in point.

Why did you have to bring this back up? It was nice and dead, and now more flaming will erupt.

You hit Horse for 500!
Horse has died.
You hit Horse for 391!
You hit Horse for 419!

Case in point: if you hate hip-hop so much, why do you even spend your precious time on this earth trying to rag on it, rather than contributing to your own signature genre of music?