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At 5/13/09 02:01 PM, byteslinger wrote: Open message to all other readers: anyone else still unable to use the NG Logs site after trying to apply the fixes and ideas we've been kicking around here? Anyone else have an idea that HeavyTank can try (be nice!) to get him off the ground?

Hmmm, So you have cleared your cookies, Yes? have you scanned your computer for viruses/Spyware? I know it sounds stupid but its these nasty little buggers that knacker up peoples internet.

Thats all I can think of at the mo, I'm sorry if that doesn't work....

At 5/13/09 02:01 PM, byteslinger wrote:
Ouch! I didn't expect that. So far, I believe you have done everything we've discussed, and it's been a frustrating ride for both of us. The biggest problem that I am running into is trying to re-create your failure outside of the corrections (trusted sites, cookies, OS, etc.) that you've tried. I am going to have to carefully review all of your messages and my replies, and see what we could have missed.

Well, l can't really say we've missed anything....well, l could remind you that l could log my stats once...l wasn't able to do it again after that..

Open message to all other readers: anyone else still unable to use the NG Logs site after trying to apply the fixes and ideas we've been kicking around here? Anyone else have an idea that HeavyTank can try (be nice!) to get him off the ground?

Give me some time to do more digging - I didn't forget about you...

To the user that posted below the post that l am replying to:
I tried it on 2 different computers, 1 of which couldn't have any cookies because it was the first timel ever visited the site with it.
And no, l have no viruses.

At 5/11/09 09:52 AM, byteslinger wrote:

At 5/11/09 05:28 AM, iscrulz wrote:

Getting of the You could of had this many experience points and be this level it is too depressing if you are a devote deposited but missed a year of depositings. A collapsible field that has the options to hide or show it.

Yeah, I hear you. My deposit rate is crap because I started the account a while ago, let it sit, and then came back to it - missed many days, so my ration is somewhere around 55%. The hide/show feature would be a nice bell-and-whistle, so when things quiet down, I'll give it a go.

Thank you my dear. I cut myself each time then take a hit of ecstasy every time I see I could of been in the Top 20 for Experience. I am proud though I got it up to 80% Still it take a decade for me to be satisfied with my depositing percentage. SHHHHHHH quiet down!

Put in the quotes "You hate Final Fantasy."

So, let's just piss off all the fanboys, huh? That has some merit. I can understand some of the frustration Casualty had - there are a lot of users who just rant first instead of trying to help themselves out - and get mad if they don't get an answer immediately. Come up with a longer list, and I'll add it to the database!

Okay, I tend to ask first then realize I could have figured out my self. Well I will spam your inbox with my suggestions one by one. My favorite is Experience is just the name we give our mistakes.

here is some more friendly horse

So, you CAN lead a horse to water and make him drink! LOL

Off to the right of the picture was me with a SPAS-12 shotgun and a spiked whip, Yes you can.

I have some news.....I tried to log my stats from an iPhone and it works just fine..l can stay logged in, something I can't do with a normal PC....

At 5/14/09 03:32 AM, HeavyTank wrote: I have some news.....I tried to log my stats from an iPhone and it works just fine..l can stay logged in, something I can't do with a normal PC....

In my normal PC, this one from where l am posting from now, the site logs me out as soon as l click something...

At 5/14/09 08:10 AM, HeavyTank wrote:

At 5/14/09 03:32 AM, HeavyTank wrote: I have some news.....I tried to log my stats from an iPhone and it works just fine..l can stay logged in, something I can't do with a normal PC....

In my normal PC, this one from where l am posting from now, the site logs me out as soon as l click something...

iPhone, huh? That's cool. So why does your Vista PC and XP laptop dump the cookies, and the iPhone doesn't? Are you using Safari on the iPhone? If so, maybe you can try Safari on the other boxes? Yes, it's a shot in the dark, but what do we have to lose?

Well, at least you can get in now - but my work is still cut out for me. Thanks for the update!

Just a little typo in the random quotes but...
"Do you believe in love at first site? Or should I walk by again"

That should be "sight" not "site" ;)

At 5/14/09 12:24 PM, Haggard wrote: Just a little typo in the random quotes but...
"Do you believe in love at first site? Or should I walk by again"

That should be "sight" not "site" ;)

That depends if you're a web designer or not! (inside joke)

At 5/14/09 10:30 AM, byteslinger wrote:
iPhone, huh? That's cool. So why does your Vista PC and XP laptop dump the cookies, and the iPhone doesn't? Are you using Safari on the iPhone? If so, maybe you can try Safari on the other boxes? Yes, it's a shot in the dark, but what do we have to lose?

Well, for starters, the iPhone is not mine but on of my friend's, so l can;t use it whenever l want to..
And yes, the iPhone is only compatible with Safari...and l know that you will suggest trying with it too, but IE and FireFox have really no reason for this cookie dumping..

Well, at least you can get in now - but my work is still cut out for me. Thanks for the update!

Thanks for your help!

I'd like to thank byteslinger for all the hard work he did with the new nglog.com

Things I like about it now:
no more adobe reader pop up shit(i have no idea why it occurred on old site and it always slugged up what I was doing >_>)

Lots of great quotes...

current favorite one:

"I have not failed, I have just found 10,000 ways that won't work."

Great job byteslinger.

And another "text error". The notes are somewhat messed up... tested this with Opera and IE, with the same result.

At 5/14/09 04:51 PM, Haggard wrote: And another "text error". The notes are somewhat messed up... tested this with Opera and IE, with the same result.

Okay, all fixed. Weird character set.

At 5/14/09 04:31 PM, SCTE3 wrote: I'd like to thank byteslinger for all the hard work he did with the new nglog.com

Things I like about it now:
no more adobe reader pop up shit(i have no idea why it occurred on old site and it always slugged up what I was doing >_>)

Lots of great quotes...

current favorite one:

"I have not failed, I have just found 10,000 ways that won't work."

Great job byteslinger.

Thank you for your kind words and support! Glad to know it's working good for you now!

Hm, l can log my stats now, but the auto-log out issue still remains.
Let mt eplain: whenever l quite my main page (to log my stats, to see my stats or whatever else) l get logged out and l have to log in again..any tips on what could be causing this?

At 5/15/09 04:42 AM, HeavyTank wrote: Hm, l can log my stats now, but the auto-log out issue still remains.
Let mt eplain: whenever l quite my main page (to log my stats, to see my stats or whatever else) l get logged out and l have to log in again..any tips on what could be causing this?

I have been re-coding some of the cookie and login logic to be a bit smarter, so I am glad to see that the stat log part is working a bit better for you. The logout detection is triggered if it can't find a session cookie on your system with the same name as your user ID. This cookie is first set at initial login, and then checked at times through the code. If this cookie gets deleted or blocked, some modules detect this as "not logged in" and force you to log in again. I am working on making the detection smarter on this end, but that does not fix the issue of the session cookies being clobbered at your end.

You wouldn't happen to be running any type of "spy sweeper" or anti-malware software that could be cleaning out cookies behind the scenes? Also, what anti-virus programs are you using? sometimes they deflect cookies as well. I believe you when you say your browser settings are good, so that means that something else on your PC, but outside your browser, is blocking the site cookies.

Please let me know what else is running on your rigs - it may be a side-effect of something we haven't realized yet.

And thanks again for your help and your patience.

Good job with the site byteslinger. I found it a tad bit funny how you solved SCTE3's problem quite quickly where Casualty never did, whether he couldn't figure it out or didn't want to.

Maybe you could change the default sorting option for the medals to Total Medal Points instead of alphabetically. I couldn't find if it has been brought up here, I also didn't look too hard, but it has been brought up a few time in the medals thread.

At 5/15/09 11:19 PM, SevasTra wrote: Good job with the site byteslinger. I found it a tad bit funny how you solved SCTE3's problem quite quickly where Casualty never did, whether he couldn't figure it out or didn't want to.

Thank you for the kind words. I think Casualty was just very busy IRL and couldn't get to it - which is the main reason he passed NGLogs to me. It helps to have many years of programming and database experience - it makes fixing things go much faster (usually).

Maybe you could change the default sorting option for the medals to Total Medal Points instead of alphabetically. I couldn't find if it has been brought up here, I also didn't look too hard, but it has been brought up a few time in the medals thread.

Done. The default sort is now by total points descending.... AND.... I added a new "medals" quick link on the far right of the menu bar, so no more hunting for the page. You all still need to log in and update your own stats on a regular basis - can't really automate that. But these last few tweaks should help...Oh, one more thing: there are now 400 random quotes in the database.

Hope you like the changes. Have a good weekend!

At 5/16/09 12:34 AM, byteslinger wrote: Hope you like the changes. Have a good weekend!

I'm sure I will like the changes and I will have a good weekend, bachelor parties FTW, not mine though. Hope you have a good weekend going through everyones suggestions and problems with NG Log.

Also I like your level icon and aura, I don't know why though. Maybe it's because it's
<----- a little familiar?

At 5/16/09 12:34 AM, byteslinger wrote: Done. The default sort is now by total points descending.... AND.... I added a new "medals" quick link on the far right of the menu bar, so no more hunting for the page. You all still need to log in and update your own stats on a regular basis - can't really automate that. But these last few tweaks should help...Oh, one more thing: there are now 400 random quotes in the database.

wow... too much
is there a way to see them? i mean... all (apart from changing pages on nglogs, and that's would be about 500+ pages changed)
I mean.... why don't you add a page where you can see them all? if you want... but, i think you won't do it
anyway i had to try...

(500+ because are 400 but there is a lot of chance that you repeat some... i honestly would thing about 1k+ pages viewed necessary to see them all...)

well i have logged my stats to nglog 520 times... so is not impossible

At 5/16/09 01:07 AM, aldlv wrote: is there a way to see them? i mean... all (apart from changing pages on nglogs, and that's would be about 500+ pages changed)
I mean.... why don't you add a page where you can see them all? if you want... but, i think you won't do it
anyway i had to try...

Sure, why not! Now when you click on the blue words in the quote area now, a full page of all the available quotes are displayed, in the order they are in the database.

Every time you load a page or refresh it, a new quote is shown from this list. Have fun!

At 5/16/09 02:45 AM, byteslinger wrote:

At 5/16/09 01:07 AM, aldlv wrote: I mean.... why don't you add a page where you can see them all? if you want... but, i think you won't do it

Sure, why not! Now when you click on the blue words in the quote area now, a full page of all the available quotes are displayed, in the order they are in the database.

I must say, I'm impressed at how quickly you implement suggested changes. It's nice to feel that the people of NG have a say in what we can do with NG Log. Right now I don't have any suggestions, but I'll try and come up with some stuff. Great work maintaining the site, we owe you guys, both you and Casualty, for giving us such a great tool.
Thanks!

At 5/16/09 02:45 AM, byteslinger wrote:

At 5/16/09 01:07 AM, aldlv wrote: is there a way to see them? i mean... all (apart from changing pages on nglogs, and that's would be about 500+ pages changed)
I mean.... why don't you add a page where you can see them all? if you want... but, i think you won't do it
anyway i had to try...

Sure, why not! Now when you click on the blue words in the quote area now, a full page of all the available quotes are displayed, in the order they are in the database.

Every time you load a page or refresh it, a new quote is shown from this list. Have fun!

but i... it wasn't... i didn't... i couldn't... click it... before... I... ehm... ...
...
wow...

efficiency now has a name

i should suggest thing more often... XD, just kidding

At 5/15/09 10:13 AM, byteslinger wrote: I have been re-coding some of the cookie and login logic to be a bit smarter, so I am glad to see that the stat log part is working a bit better for you. The logout detection is triggered if it can't find a session cookie on your system with the same name as your user ID. This cookie is first set at initial login, and then checked at times through the code. If this cookie gets deleted or blocked, some modules detect this as "not logged in" and force you to log in again. I am working on making the detection smarter on this end, but that does not fix the issue of the session cookies being clobbered at your end.

Hm, well, thanks for all the stuff you've done, at least one of the problems is solved.

You wouldn't happen to be running any type of "spy sweeper" or anti-malware software that could be cleaning out cookies behind the scenes? Also, what anti-virus programs are you using? sometimes they deflect cookies as well. I believe you when you say your browser settings are good, so that means that something else on your PC, but outside your browser, is blocking the site cookies.

Well, for starters, NewGrounds can remember my username and password and so can other sites, so l don't thik there should be a problem..
Anyway l use ESET NOD32 Business edition.

Please let me know what else is running on your rigs - it may be a side-effect of something we haven't realized yet.

Well, l have Windows Firewall but again, this site is in my trused sites and other sites can store cookies on ym PC...

And thanks again for your help and your patience.

At 5/16/09 07:18 AM, HeavyTank wrote:
Well, for starters, NewGrounds can remember my username and password and so can other sites, so l don't thnik there should be a problem..
Anyway l use ESET NOD32 Business edition.

It may be the way the session cookie is being constructed for NG Logs, and possibly an underlying security thing. I am looking into this scenario: the true URL of the site is nglogs.wkrconcepts.com. But I have a re-directed URL of www.nglogs.com that points (301-redirect) to that site. If the cookie is using the short name, but the internal security isn't matching against the long name, the cookie may not be working right. I am still trying to get to the root of this, and I really do appreciate your help. In the end, you know it's going to be "oh, that was SIMPLE to fix!" - but it's finding what's wrong that's taking so much time.... 8(

Well, l have Windows Firewall but again, this site is in my trusted sites and other sites can store cookies on my PC...

Same here, so that's not it. It has to be the underlying way the cookie is being constructed and managed, now that it's on a new site... sigh.... back to the garage for this one....

Hey ByteSlinger,

I've had an idea, well more of am improvement. Its only minor and I expect you to put this at the bottom of the list if you have better things to do, but what about jazzing up the name a bit?

I mean when NGLogs is in a tab its dull. It has no icon and the name is 'www.nglogs.com', so what about changing the black icon with the NG logo and the 'www.nglogs.com' to 'Newgrounds Log - Your place to log your stats!' Or something. You know just to brighten it up a bit!

The picture below should explain a bit better.
(Sorry for the text, I couldn't find a font to match.)

At 5/16/09 02:43 PM, Lizzardis wrote: Hey ByteSlinger,

I've had an idea, well more of am improvement... what about changing the black icon with the NG logo and the 'www.nglogs.com' to 'Newgrounds Log - Your place to log your stats!' Or something. You know just to brighten it up a bit!

This was a simple enough request - but it wouldn't work at first. After some research, I discovered that if you have a URL (www.nglogs.com) doing a masked forward to the actual URL (nglogs.wkrconcepts.com) the silly icon and text won't show up. I removed the masked forwarding, and made it just a regular URL forward - and now, it works. I also think that may have been the cause of some of the cookie issues, because the original site on the Denvish server did not use masked forwarding, either.

Now, for all you who are eagle-eyed: yes, you will see the unmasked URLS now. That won't negatively affect how the site works, since www.nglogs.com, nglogs.wkrconcepts.com and www.wkrconcepts.com/nglogs all point to the same thing.

Maybe this solved some of the cookie issues HeavyTank and others were having...we'll see!

At 5/16/09 05:05 PM, byteslinger wrote:

At 5/16/09 02:43 PM, Lizzardis wrote: Hey ByteSlinger,

I've had an idea, well more of am improvement... what about changing the black icon with the NG logo and the 'www.nglogs.com' to 'Newgrounds Log - Your place to log your stats!' Or something. You know just to brighten it up a bit!

This was a simple enough request - but it wouldn't work at first.

Glad you got it working! Great job ByteSlinger! Thanks for doing that.

Maybe this solved some of the cookie issues HeavyTank and others were having...we'll see!

Oooo, maybe. I hope it does.

Thanks again!

At 5/16/09 02:21 PM, byteslinger wrote:
Same here, so that's not it. It has to be the underlying way the cookie is being constructed and managed, now that it's on a new site... sigh.... back to the garage for this one....

Hey, thanks, now it's all working!
I cannot thank you enough!
^^

At 5/17/09 02:54 AM, HeavyTank wrote: Hey, thanks, now it's all working!
I cannot thank you enough!
^^

Haha, I'm glad you finally got it working. Good job ByteSlinger.

At 5/17/09 05:57 AM, Lizzardis wrote:
Haha, I'm glad you finally got it working. Good job ByteSlinger.

Lol, then why do you have that sad face on your post?

At 5/17/09 05:57 AM, Lizzardis wrote:

At 5/17/09 02:54 AM, HeavyTank wrote: Hey, thanks, now it's all working!
I cannot thank you enough!
^^

Haha, I'm glad you finally got it working. Good job ByteSlinger.

Glad it's all good now. My thanks to all of you for your help and patience while I hammered out these last few kinks. Enjoy your weekend!