At 12/7/04 11:10 PM, EKRegulus wrote:

Did you know that fixit got over 1000 b/p pts in a week... 4 times. That's simply insane. That means it had 4000 blams/protects in one month.. that's not human.

I do see your point, its seems very impossibly but a self obsessed person would make it possible.
However with the chance that he did make a bot lets just suppose. How would this bot be so accuarate? Would it be able to detect varible like "sticks", "omg vote 5", the difference between regular submitters and first time submitters? The program would be insane to put together! Wouldn't he want to put his genius to something more worthwhile instead of a blam/protection bot like the cure for cancer or advacing quantum theory?

Ya_Ya has approximately an average of 85 blams/protects per day since he created his account... that's also huge and not even close from what fixit did.

Ramagi was far from being that bad. She has been here for a much longer period.

It mathmatically still would have taken a shitload of time even stretched over an extended period. Taking into account of course flagged movies and up until the new voting system.

People care about the voting power and they are statswhore. There is no pt to continue when... you get the last rank but some people still continue. We need some people to blam/protect, right?

Yep we sure do, I'm agreeing with you that movies need to be voted on. I just hope that the new system will make voting a bit more fair for new submitters mainly who have their stuff.

I couldn't see why they couldnt set up a system where you HAVE to download at least 100 -200 kbs for the voting bar to appear so you have to opputunity to see what quality the movie is. You wouldn't have to download a whole 5mb file to find out if its crap but by the same token for a movie like "99kbs" (that is quality for the small size that it is) you HAVE to download the whole thing before you can even vote.

At 12/7/04 11:27 PM, Klacid wrote: However with the chance that he did make a bot lets just suppose. How would this bot be so accuarate? Would it be able to detect varible like "sticks", "omg vote 5", the difference between regular submitters and first time submitters? The program would be insane to put together! Wouldn't he want to put his genius to something more worthwhile instead of a blam/protection bot like the cure for cancer or advacing quantum theory?

Remember the marks A+, B+, F+ that were on underjudgement submissions in the portal. They were removed and fixit disappeared approximately at the same time. He program could have been based on that or on the filesize, batting average of the author or it might look if the author has submissions. I really don't know how he could implement a voting program but I guess it's possible. fixit might remain a mystery forever :o It could be a real person.

It mathmatically still would have taken a shitload of time even stretched over an extended period. Taking into account of course flagged movies and up until the new voting system.

She had a shitload of pts before the new system, she also has an average over 60 since the creation of the new system... that's not that high. She stopped for a while at a certain period when she was over 30000 b/p pts. fixit was still here during that period.

I couldn't see why they couldnt set up a system where you HAVE to download at least 100 -200 kbs for the voting bar to appear so you have to opputunity to see what quality the movie is. You wouldn't have to download a whole 5mb file to find out if its crap but by the same token for a movie like "99kbs" (that is quality for the small size that it is) you HAVE to download the whole thing before you can even vote.

It stinks but that's how it works :( We must at least view a part of the flash to be sure. Don't even bother when it doesn't load, blam it and warn the author.

At 12/7/04 11:38 PM, EKRegulus wrote: She had a shitload of pts before the new system, she also has an average over 60 since the creation of the new system... that's not that high. She stopped for a while at a certain period when she was over 30000 b/p pts. fixit was still here during that period.

I'm just curious on how much information you have about the history of NG. Is there some website your getting it from or you just have a good memory?

At 12/7/04 11:40 PM, Fizzle wrote: I actually started going after blams/saves more because I was fed up with lower level users (for example a level 14 or 15) having a higher voting power than me because they had 20,000+ blams. I've spent a lot of time gaining my 10 exp per day to get to lvl 19, and its frustrating when lower level punks are surpassing me.

ah you are not the only user that did that :P. BTW, I passed in the b/p ranking like a rocket but I will never catch you for the vp :(.

At 12/7/04 11:48 PM, Klacid wrote: I'm just curious on how much information you have about the history of NG. Is there some website your getting it from or you just have a good memory?

The information that I gave to you is not exact, I must check my old discussions to give you an exact answert. Anyway, I mostly get it from older regulars, old topics and searching in ng.

The b/p list made by dogma is where I got most of the information about fixit and ramagi's numbers, paces, etc.

Check the whereis/howto forum sometimes. It has a huge amount of information about stats.

At 12/7/04 11:52 PM, Fizzle wrote: Didn't she have 1337 points for a long time? I remember then after the new system started, a lot of the people who had achieved that level of blams (which back in the day was comparable to the 50,000 mark now) were complaining because it screwed up their record.

Why don't you ask HER?

At 12/7/04 11:57 PM, EKRegulus wrote: Check the whereis/howto forum sometimes. It has a huge amount of information about stats.

Thanks for that, I'll have to keep that in mind.

At 12/8/04 12:04 AM, Fizzle wrote: I was hoping you already knew :)

I did. I forgot.

At 12/8/04 12:04 AM, Klacid wrote: Thanks for that, I'll have to keep that in mind.

No problem.

Ohhhh where to start... First of all I don't know how to do flash I don't have a flash program and I have not submitted a flash vid obviously. That don't mean I can't tell the diffrence between a good quality submition and a piece of shit. Secondly I have no life. I sit here at home and spend all day watching the portal for new submitions (while chating on msn or playing some games). Sure I miss a few but I will judge as many as I can. I judge hard but fair even if I don't watch 100% of a submition. If the submission is under 10k or the first thing i see is a crappy stickman that don't even look like a stickman I will blam without hesitation. If I see the graphics are good I'll watch more into it and probably give it a 2 or 3. You want a 4 or 5 from me it had better be somthing that god him/her self would consider phenominal. I will also admit I have blamed some submissions because the preloader itself was a shitty stickman. (sorry if I don't wanna waste any more time loading somthing thats going to be shit) (side note. Not having a preloader isn't reason to blam although 90% flash that don't have one is shit.) Now for the standing up for others part. I have noticed that some submitions don't auto load for those who don't know this can be mistaken for a not working flash and blam it. (always cheak to see if it will play by going to play). Not everyone has high speed internet those with dial up would have to wait a good 30 minuts to load a 3-5 meg flash vid (if that was me I would say screw it and vote 0 unless it had a good preloader. 90% of the 3+meg files without a preloader are infact SHIT. Now for the bad stuff nah j/k. Now for the good stuff. I fully support what is said here because all flash submitions should indeed be judged fairly (side note) I consider my judgements hard but fair. Now for a great idea to stop people from submiting the same crap over and over again. If target person has submited befor then if target new submission size= same then kill submission. (Wade you have my email please mail me if I am being targeted for by this as I am not sure. I would mail you but im sure you get more than enough mail.) (msn would be much better)

just curious, but did anyone ever assume that fixit was more than one person? one account shared by ... i dunno, 5 to 10 people, all logging in and voting on under judgement files at intervals throughout the day, for a 24 hour period? you really could rack up a shitload of points that way.

devious, but sounds entirely possible.

re slippery

if you have notices there is a timelimit per acount as well as ip for voting so it has already been though of and protected. to protext the authors. found this out when i went to friends house and loged in adn wennt to go suport something but friend had already visited it 18 hours earler
-Schlag

its about time you guys started doing this.

I've found one for you that I think people violated by passing judgment on a pice of crap.
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/206619
Just read the reviews about it.

Oh yea I remember that p.o.s. I gave that a blam point fairly. The preloader was alright then the thing stated to play (BLAM!!!)

Is it allowed to vote on stuff that's already passed judgement that you have'nt watched?

I sometimes vote on stuff that i've already watched before without watching it at that moment is that allowed?
It should be because i've already watched it and its passed judgement.

At 12/8/04 10:52 AM, Portal_Diver wrote: I've found one for you that I think people violated by passing judgment on a pice of crap.
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/206619

it was submission liek this that made me become a member of the NG to remove shit like this from making it

first there was no point
2nd there was unnessary strobing
3rd it had nothing to do related to the title
4th it was from a member of the star syndacate)

i blamed it at the point where he enterd his username
its just that easy to tell wether something is going ot be good or a waste of ng space.

so why does this and submissions like daily flash make it
onto the portal ? zzz seriously .. there's a reason i only give out 2/3 for decent flash .. its because shit like this take up all my blam power.. and still makes it onto the portal.

* sugestions

1> time for adding replies to each movie make less
2> add whistle for crap like this so that we can flag users that are just wasting ng time and submitting utter shit and stop them or at least teach them a lesson from submitting crap vs quality flash
3> raise the pass / fail rate .. anything under 2.5 is blamed.

that way we have a greater degree of hate / non hate for movies and if somethign truly deservesto make it onto the portal it will get 3/4/5 if something is truly shit it gets 0/1 if its aceptable but you dont believe to your fullest strength that others should have to submit to this type of movie vote 2

-Schlag..

submit a decent flash and i'll judge you fairly

did anyoen see the flashes earler today with the guy

authors coments i'm not giving up till i get turd of the week
was like latex harry potter or something had blob figures 1 motion some sound and whipping ... its these type of submissions that relly egg me into forcing votes very low
no care for there flash or a goal within the flash.

YEt more crap ...

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/206658
Author's comments:

Short pointless movie of some guy listening to music. Thanks to evil_dog for the music too.

when the authors know themselves that the movies suck and ther just giving us free blam points is ther not somethign we can do to stop them from sumitting ie punish them for there stupidity / arrogence.

if ther was a whistle level for "quote" free blam point flash"
i'd prob have a deity whistle by now

At 12/6/04 07:30 PM, DarkSnipe wrote: OK WHAT THE HELL?

thats so right your the coolest man

At 12/8/04 12:20 PM, Schlaghund wrote: YEt more crap ...

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/206658
Author's comments:

Short pointless movie of some guy listening to music. Thanks to evil_dog for the music too.

when the authors know themselves that the movies suck and ther just giving us free blam points is ther not somethign we can do to stop them from sumitting ie punish them for there stupidity / arrogence.

if ther was a whistle level for "quote" free blam point flash"
i'd prob have a deity whistle by now

Yes there should be the option for "Submited as free blam point" as is I have to use "This movie is unsuitable (e.g. hardcore adult, porn slideshow, hateful, illegal).".

OK this has nothing to do with the subject, but can some one tell me how the hell you get those little strips of animatins or pictures on the bottom of your posts?

someone answer back please.
much oblieged;)

You know Wade does have a point. I mean their are people that vote on movies just to get the points. They feel that the more points they have on NewGrounds it will give them more power. I mean it's cool that we get to vote on the movies but yah know I have seen some good flash on here that got blammed just because it was done by a new person for example. I myself try to vote fair and square. I mean just recently I saw a pretty good flash on here, but when I voted and looked at the score I was a bit in shock. The kid had a .71 which I thought was pretty unfair. I mean people where writing, well it's a good content but it's not good enough yet. Frankly I am a hard voter but I do give someone the points if they deserve it and it shows that they worked hard with flash, I know what a struggle it is to make a good flash. It is hard! People don't think about that as they blam some of these movies. Now resubmiting crap and the stick movies are one thing, but really some of you (you know who you are) really need to take a hard look at the flashes. Not just click on the movie and then vote n say it's crap when you ethier didn't give it a chance or once it popped up closed the box just to get the point box to pop up to vote. Really take the time to check out the flashes. Because even the noobies have some good stuff.

At 12/8/04 01:14 PM, DarkSnipe wrote: OK this has nothing to do with the subject, but can some one tell me how the hell you get those little strips of animatins or pictures on the bottom of your posts?

someone answer back please.
much oblieged;)

Well your lucky your entry caught my eye. It's really simple, just go to the sign in link at the top of the page and click it. if you gotta sign in then do it. That will take you to the Grounds Gold Menu which has all the options for for user name. You can click on BBS Sig for the words near the banner. For example I typed my nick names in the NewGrounds chat and boom it's there. For the banner well I made my own in paintshop but whatever you do to get yours go to the BBS Signature Pic link and click it. There it will show where to upload the pic from on your computer and a link to it. For example mine is linked to my website that showcases my comic. There yah go. Hope that helps. =^-^=

:At 1/9/03 10:34 PM, fabulous999 wrote:

There really should be a + or - voting system, I only vote 0 or 5 depending on whether i think the score should be higher or lower, if it's about right, I just don't vote. The reason people vote 0 all the time is becaue they're rewarded with blam points, why should they care who they hurt or help if they're being rewarded either way. I think the solution is to force people to view entries before they are allowed to vote, so maybe they'll feel bad about voting 0 for no reason.

You are the kind of person I was talking about. You only have two scores in your mind and you will probably never change that. On this website there is:
Crap>Kind of crap with effort>Average>Good story, Programming or art>Godly

and with that you can find a reason to vote 4 or 2

- this was taken from another topic stated by wade via ->
http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic.php?id=43270&page=2

anywyas this is exactly what this thread is about and i count of put it more clearly myself

the 0.001% of ng users taht only see black and white

0carp 5 holly crap this person submitted a flash wow there awsome i'm gona vote 5 cause i cant do flash myself

users need to realize taht there is a degreee ie the 0-5 scale on submissions being crap or not ..

to quote wade in a past post from same thread.

You seem resonable and you probably have nothing to worry about. We're most concerned with the people giving something you and I would give a 5, a 0.

Also, we'd rather see something sorta crappy stay on Newgrounds than be deleted, as long as it isn't stolen, malicious, overly offensive or pornographic, and not completely and utter crap. Because it won't HURT anything. If everyone gives stuff like that 2's it won't be on the daily top 5, it won't ever show up again once it's off the TOP 50 most recent, but if you blam it, it might come back again and again, better to let the damn thing through and into the abyss. Then the author can be happy and show it to his friends and try harder on the next one. Go look at some of Tom's early work, like the very first FDA. That probably would get blammed with today's standards. We all start somewhere. Look how Tom has grown since he started. You might BLAM something and discourage a future Tom Fulp!

-Schlag

At 12/8/04 12:08 PM, Schlaghund wrote:

At 12/8/04 10:52 AM, Portal_Diver wrote: I've found one for you that I think people violated by passing judgment on a pice of crap.
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/206619

it was submission liek this that made me become a member of the NG to remove shit like this from making it

first there was no point
2nd there was unnessary strobing
3rd it had nothing to do related to the title
4th it was from a member of the star syndacate)

i blamed it at the point where he enterd his username
its just that easy to tell wether something is going ot be good or a waste of ng space.

* sugestions

1> time for adding replies to each movie make less
2> add whistle for crap like this so that we can flag users that are just wasting ng time and submitting utter shit and stop them or at least teach them a lesson from submitting crap vs quality flash
3> raise the pass / fail rate .. anything under 2.5 is blamed.

Do you know what realy burns me up. When I do a review for a crappy flash entry that needs to be blammed and the author writers back "flash by Portal_Diver None" It's like they are moking (sp) those that don't submit flashes even tho their own flash sucks.

At 12/8/04 01:05 PM, GrimMasterDeath wrote:
Yes there should be the option for "Submited as free blam point" as is I have to use "This movie is unsuitable (e.g. hardcore adult, porn slideshow, hateful, illegal).".

actually, there is . look at the stuff at the bottem before the "submit" button

What people used to do was they had a program that just gave every movie a 0 so they would have a huge amount of blams and no saves. Since the majority of movies are blams, they were able to get 75-90 blams a day for a month.

At 12/6/04 05:21 PM, BrainClock wrote: This is how it should be. No movie should contain a message like 'vote 5,' or 'legendarey frog sux cock', or any "political" messages that may affect how the viewer will vote.

dude, you can't take away "vote 5". its just not something you cand do to ng. its almost like....well i cant think of anything. but vote 5 is one of them trademark ng things. hell, if we're going to take away vote five, then strawberry clock will henceforth no longer be the king of the portal. how 'bout that ASSHOLE?!

I have to say, after this posting I've seen under judgment movies' scores go up.

What if I only watch half of it? Will that also count? There's some really bad ones, and you can pretty much tell by just watching about 10 seconds of it.

After all this ranting against the Star Syndicate, why must I get the saviour animation for today's daily toon?

Oh well, at least its scored lower than 2, so maybe this topic has helped some users come to their senses. And I'm surely doing my part to get these flashes blammed, as long as they are truly crappy ones, of course.

At 12/8/04 04:23 PM, dictator_of_da_world wrote:

At 12/8/04 01:05 PM, GrimMasterDeath wrote:
Yes there should be the option for "Submited as free blam point" as is I have to use "This movie is unsuitable (e.g. hardcore adult, porn slideshow, hateful, illegal).".

actually, there is . look at the stuff at the bottem before the "submit" button

actualy what hes talkign about dictator is when a flash is arleady in the portal and the user has totaly ignored the rules and is submitting flash to give users free blam cause they speent maybe 1 horu or 2 horus on utter crap and have shit like

coment by artist
just blam this its crap