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At 10/10/09 04:15 PM, TacoFreak wrote: 5770

I'd wait for GT300. If it's any kind of success at all, it would probably push the 5870 and 50 down a few bucks.

Also, I'm wondering what to do with my motherboard/ram. I am thinking of getting 4GB of RAM, but I've got a DDR2 board.

More DDR2 is a bad buy right now. It just shot up in price, and will probably get more expensive. At this point, DDR2 and DDR3 are the same price. I'd stay with the 2 gigs until DDR3 gets a little cheaper.

I'm not sure if I should get the DDR3... Or possibly just stay with what I have until the new AMD boards come out.

The new boards that are planned don't offer any big new features, but if you plan on going DDR3 for 4 gigs, you might as well.

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While on this topic, I have $840 in pocket right now, and hope to have around 2k by Christmas.

First, is my motherboard and CPU. The options are Phenom II or 1366. I don't care much for i7 at this point because it would seem any preferable configuration is profusely expensive. If I go i7, I would want to have crossfire support. This becomes a problem because I'm still considering getting that RAID controller, which uses a PCI-e x8 slot. There aren't any boards besides the Evga Classified which do more than PCI-e 16/8/8, and I'm not going to put a 5850 on 8x bandwidth. Crossfire isn't a must, but it would be nice to keep available if I go with an already expensive platform. This is the motherboard I've been looking at, but there's a lot to choose from.

Second is my graphics card. I know I'm not buying anything until the prices drop a little bit, but here are my options: 5870, 5850, 5850CF. If the 5850 hits $200, I'd love to crossfire that, but I doubt with that pesky RAID controller I'd be able to.

Next decision is that pesky RAID controller. I was wondering if an all out RAID-0 would be worth it, and was leaning towards no, and then this came out. It's $80 on newegg, so I would definitely get 4 or 5 of them. After short stroking the entire array to 1TB, and hooking it into a $100 Perc 5/i controller, I would be happy. The whole setup would be $500, and because hard drives don't seem to depreciate in price too much, it would be a sound investment.

Last decision I can't make for myself is the case. Was thinking about a custom, of which I have a few ideas in line, but it would be much easier to just buy a case and mod it. If I got a case, it would have to be close to $200, aluminum, and able to support at least 5 hard drives. Possibly a Lian-li.

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At 10/10/09 05:42 PM, ThoseSneakyFrench wrote: Next decision is that pesky RAID controller. I was wondering if an all out RAID-0 would be worth it, and was leaning towards no, and then this came out. It's $80 on newegg, so I would definitely get 4 or 5 of them. After short stroking the entire array to 1TB, and hooking it into a $100 Perc 5/i controller, I would be happy. The whole setup would be $500, and because hard drives don't seem to depreciate in price too much, it would be a sound investment.
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I cant understand why you'd want to short stoke the entire array to only 1TB. The performance gain from doing that would be marginal at best and you'd benefit more from the increased capacities. Also, those drive are cabaple of around 100mb/s sustained read/write speed. With 5 of them you'd be getting a good 300/400 mb/s speed so you shouldnt need to short stroke them.


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At 10/11/09 05:59 AM, steveo1259 wrote: I cant understand why you'd want to short stoke the entire array to only 1TB.

Short stroking is reversible. All you have to do is go back and format the space you left unformatted. So as long as I'm not using the space, I should try to get some performance out of it.

With 5 of them you'd be getting a good 300/400 mb/s speed so you shouldnt need to short stroke them.

I'm now starting to think more along the lines of 3 or 4.


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Hey TSF look at this lol

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At 10/11/09 08:34 AM, TacoFreak wrote: Hey TSF look at this lol

Is that for Newgrounds?

I will make you a sig/wallpaper/header.

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So anyway, installed my new 1TB HD and Windows 7 Professional on it without a hitch.

However

Now I'm getting semi-frequent (~every 30 minutes or so give or take) crashes, everything just seizes up and I have to reset my PC. Previously I reset the BIOS n shit.

But this is irking me.

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Sounds like windows 7 hasnt got the drivers your computer needs to run properly.

Try installing/re-installing your motherboard drivers, then the graphics drivers then the sound drivers and if none of them work it might be a problem with the install itself


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At 10/10/09 05:42 PM, ThoseSneakyFrench wrote: First, is my motherboard and CPU. The options are Phenom II or 1366. I don't care much for i7 at this point because it would seem any preferable configuration is profusely expensive. If I go i7, I would want to have crossfire support. This becomes a problem because I'm still considering getting that RAID controller, which uses a PCI-e x8 slot. There aren't any boards besides the Evga Classified which do more than PCI-e 16/8/8, and I'm not going to put a 5850 on 8x bandwidth. Crossfire isn't a must, but it would be nice to keep available if I go with an already expensive platform. This is the motherboard I've been looking at, but there's a lot to choose from.

Most, if not all, 1366 amd AM2+/AM3 boards support raid on the mobo's themselves, eliminating the need for a raid controller. Also, all i7 boards should support Crossfire X. Look at boards by Gigabyte and MSI if your tryin to save some money. Real good value in these boards that your potentially missing.

As for your CPU, choose Phenom II if your on a budget and Corei7 if you have the money to spend. Phenom II is a little weaker in performance than i7, but great bang for the buck. I use a phenom II X4 955, and im extremely happy with it. easy to overclock too.

Second is my graphics card. I know I'm not buying anything until the prices drop a little bit, but here are my options: 5870, 5850, 5850CF. If the 5850 hits $200, I'd love to crossfire that, but I doubt with that pesky RAID controller I'd be able to.

sounds like a good setup to me. dont plan on two 5870's in crossfire, all cpu's available bottleneck this like something sick.

Last decision I can't make for myself is the case. Was thinking about a custom, of which I have a few ideas in line, but it would be much easier to just buy a case and mod it. If I got a case, it would have to be close to $200, aluminum, and able to support at least 5 hard drives. Possibly a Lian-li.

Take a look at the Coolermaster ATCS 840. Really nice case. Would get one myself if i could get it locally.

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At 10/9/09 08:15 PM, TacoFreak wrote:
At 10/9/09 05:33 PM, Reaper93 wrote: Tacofreak, I've never seen a PSU with less than four molex cables... and all HDDs that I've ever seen take molex. What PSU do you have??
Older HDD's with the ATA interface used molex for power. SATA HDDs however use a different type of connector.

Oh, you're right, there's that SATA power connector. That totally skipped my mind, thanks for reminding me.


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Fellas, I need some help.
I want to run TF2, and I have all the minimal requirements, and I want to run it on low settings, but i have a laptop, and I need a new graphics card. Now, if I order an nVidia Geforce, can I install it to the laptop?

Please reply soon.

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no fucking overclock club, what the shit?

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At 10/12/09 06:10 AM, Tykwa wrote: no fucking overclock club, what the shit?

It's too bad your card is outperformed by a lower clocked c216 edition, because you're running that at water cooling clocks.

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At 10/12/09 06:26 AM, ThoseSneakyFrench wrote:
At 10/12/09 06:10 AM, Tykwa wrote: no fucking overclock club, what the shit?

:Overclock picture

OMG, you have to have that on watercooling. No-way you got it up to 4.7ghz on air cooling alone


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At 10/12/09 03:25 PM, steveo1259 wrote:
At 10/12/09 06:26 AM, ThoseSneakyFrench wrote:
At 10/12/09 06:10 AM, Tykwa wrote: no fucking overclock club, what the shit?
Overclock picture
OMG, you have to have that on watercooling. No-way you got it up to 4.7ghz on air cooling alone

It's not, he's just posting a clock from somewhere else, the cpu-id version is hella out of date anyways.

This is my cpu @ 1.26 volts :D

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dammit, Disregard last post, this is what it is -.-

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At 10/12/09 04:38 PM, Tykwa wrote: dammit, Disregard last post, this is what it is -.-

Nice, what sort of temps are you getting on that???


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Well, the cpu-z screen was from back in november, so that explains the oldness. I'll explain.

It was a cold, cold night, and I had the 3dmark in me. Cranking in that FSB, pushing the voltage, what a rush. Heart pounding, blue screen after blue screen I tried to get into windows. Finally I succeeded, with a daunting VCore of 1.6. Though I only ran that long enough to get a screenshot, my chip hasn't been the same since. Prior, I had a 4.275 overclock going, but no however my cpu cannot go over 3.8 under any circumstance.

Before you criticize me for using so much voltage, notice my chip is an C0 revision. The e0s need almost no voltage to do rediculous overclocks, while my chip can now only chug along at 3.8.

Also, click on the physx link I posted above for major lulz.


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Cool, my grandma could finally be computer literate and not need to move from her sofa!!!


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fuck 5770 benchmarks are out and it performs on par with a 4870

im not sure if i should still get 5770 CF... maybe 5850 CF

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I read a long ass article on SSDs awhile back, and I think I understand most of it, except for these:

Read Time
Write Time
Random Access Time

The guy would always show benchmarks that I didn't fully grasp. He would say that Read/Write times are in important, but Random is the goal. I looked around, and tell me if this is right.

Read: Burning to CD disc
Write: Copying from CD disc
Random: Everything else non CD Drive related

Correct?

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Reading and writing times are, I believe, linear reading and linear writing times. Random access times shows how fast you can access data that is strewn across the drive in fragments.

Linear read and write times between SSD vs. Platter drives are about the same, but random access time for SSDs is far superior, that is why they make such an impact.

Though I could be wrong about that, SSDs are not my forte.


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low voltage wars? :D

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At 10/13/09 06:51 AM, Tykwa wrote: low voltage wars? :D

sup bro

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At 10/13/09 06:51 AM, Tykwa wrote: low voltage wars? :D

low QUALITY wars
Intel core 2 Duo 3.00 GHZ (socket 475) with bus speed of 400 mhz
Radeon 9700 AGP graphics card
2 GB DDR 1 RAM
1024x768 resolution
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At 10/13/09 09:10 AM, TacoFreak wrote:
At 10/13/09 06:51 AM, Tykwa wrote: low voltage wars? :D
sup bro

There's barely any core to give it any amount of justice.

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At 10/13/09 05:09 PM, Tykwa wrote:
At 10/13/09 09:10 AM, TacoFreak wrote:
At 10/13/09 06:51 AM, Tykwa wrote: low voltage wars? :D
sup bro
There's barely any core to give it any amount of justice.

Try to get your chip under 1Ghz, you'd be surprised how hard it is.


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At 10/13/09 05:19 PM, ThoseSneakyFrench wrote:
Try to get your chip under 1Ghz, you'd be surprised how hard it is.

Not much point, I have another comp I might just try with it however.

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Is this a good computer for.

- Portability
- homework
- web surfing
- maybe a little CS:S if i'm bored
- music (w/ headphones)

need a second opinion before i buy. I already have a gaming computer that I'm on right now, but it's very UNportable so I'm not really worried about games.

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