At 9/9/08 09:01 PM, Frattochino wrote:
No I'm not saying they are all sluts. I was saying If my mom is a slut and she gets pregnant, is it my fault? Why do I have to die? People have different reasons. If its Rape, that still doesn't mean shit because sure they got raped but if i was conceived of rape, I wouldn't commit suicide at the knowledge of that, so why kill me because of that?
Uh you kinda did suggest that. "Just because my creator was a slut or a bitch, doesn't mean I should die because of it." And your not dieing. You haven't even had a chance to live, your not crying about it. Fetuses don't even feel pain till the third trimester, and have no form of true thought. The fetus doesn't give a fuck. And I don't care what it could become. The fact is, it hasn't experienced anything, it's arguably not even alive, no one is gonna miss it, it's is biologically little more complex than a fly, and has no form of thought or perception of pain. "Oh but Saruman, it could become a human!" Well that's just fantastic, but it's not a human yet, so stay out of the mom's uterus. Her body, her choice. You argue that you wouldn't commit suicide. Well that's just great, but others would. Not to mention, how do you know that you wouldn't. You have no idea what it's like to be a child of rape, so don't assume that you wouldn't commit suicide. I still don't understand whenever or not you would commit suicide matters in this argument either, but whatever.
I'm not saying we shouldn't have abortion because of my beliefs, I'm saying we shouldn't have abortion because they are killing people who don't have a choice. A egg won't turn into a human, its a chicken. We eat animals daily so that has nothing to do with the conversation, human life is precious, and just because they don't think at early stages doesn't discount them. Actually its not like a living, breathing baby is any different, they can barely talk or keep their memory for long. its not like they could say no, or survive on their own and its not like they'd even feel the pain. They can't even comprehend the idea of death! So lets raise the bar up and start abortions limits at around 2 years!
The first 2 sentances contradict. You say your not trying to say we shouldn't have a abortion, but in the next point you demonstrate an arguable opinion. "killing people who don't have a choice". Well, I don't think fetuses are people, so there you go, your forcing your opinion that aborting a fetus is killing a person on me. Next you argue through another personal opinion: that human life is more precious than that on animals. But vegetarians make up a greater percent of the population than those who believe abortion should be illegal even in cases or rape or incest, such as you. Thus, a law making it illegal to eat eggs is as logical as a law to ban abortion. Next, you state that babies arn't different than fetuses. But babies can think. They can communicate. "Ooo goo gaga" that communication. They can think and learn, hence why babies learn how to speak and walk. And babies feel pain...they cry when they get hurt, fetuses do not even feel pain, because their nervous system isn't functional yet.
Its not about what qualifies as a thoughtful human being, and stopping the life before it, its about the fact that the being will become a human and taking away a human life is murder.
But aborting a fetus isn't getting rid of human life. A fetus has no life. It's not a person. And I don't care what it could become, that's irrelevant. If a fetus is aborted, it'll never have lived. Never felt pain.