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At 10/11/06 04:26 PM, BananaBreadMuffin wrote: I think we should keep the scores for things, just make them a bit more ambiguous

yeah lets do that

hm i think they are good to have around. It gives a guideline on how people should review a flash. Sure violence is nice, but sometimes filling in those boxes get people thinking instead of just writing a "ZOMG LOLZ I LUV J00R FL45H!!!! VOTE 5!!!"

Is there an EXACT date for the redesign? I know it's in november.....?

I for one am against this proposition

What will become of this?

http://www.newground..ortal/top_rated.html

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I think you should take them out. People can insert little "Interactivity---7"'s in their reviews if they want to.

Saves time for us people who post one-liners.

I just saw this, here's my thoughts:

The audio portal has an overall score + 4 other dropdowns, which I think is fine and simple.

I reckon you should limit it to 4 dropdowns for movies and 4 different dropdowns for games (Interactivity never scored high for movies :P).

Im not sure if this has been mentioned, but im not going to search back 8 pages of posts to find out.

How about keep them, but make a few changes to the categories such as violence. Then, upon scoring those, you press submit, and an overall score is automaticaly generated from the individual categories.

I think it'd be a great idea; even though it can be useful having each category to make it more 'detailed' (like you would sometimes in a games magazine), it still makes it harder to choose sometimes, & you do get the odd idiot who think the submission is so amazing that they give it all 10s even if it might not even have any violence whatsoever.

Bring on the simplicity I say =D

That sounds good

What I think would be cool if you could judge the style of the movie/games.

Keep them, they just need to be less and simpler

Redesign - Good

Remove - Bad

I think the none-important like violance, Interactivity and Style should be removed.
They should be replaced with something more relavant so it would look like this: Graphic, Animation, Sound, Humor and then maybe originality. It's nice for those who maybe just wanted to make a hilerous movie without any super cool graphic or animation and only wants to see if people likes his humor.

At 10/11/06 04:26 PM, BananaBreadMuffin wrote: I think we should keep the scores for things, just make them a bit more ambiguous

You'd keep this site the same for everything, anyway.

Embrace the change, people. OPEN YOUR MINDS.

i like having the categories. makes the reviewer feel like he's giving constructive feedback. i agree there shouldnt be a violence score. i feel graphics, animation, sound and most important of all "entertainment" should be there. i've seen a few flashes where nothings been individually that great... but its still been really entertaining... so yeah... thats what i think

I don't think that it's such a hassle or chore (whatever else you can call it) to use the drop-down boxes and I like it the way it is at the moment.

Then again if you really wanted to 'improve' on it you could possibly;

- Have small text-boxes with a limit of between 0 (or 00) and 10 for entries.

- Add an N/A (not applicable) option for those things that don't have 'VOILENCE'.

Even so having all the options available allows the reviewer to point out when improvements might be needed, therefore allowing authors to see where they went wrong both at the same time.

:-)

NO WAY!!!!!!! dont change the review criteria! i look at those reviews to see whats in it like u see whether its a funny movie (humour) or a violent movie (violence obviously) and you get to take a look at its innards rather than just one score that will never be justified!
DONT CHANGE THE CRITERIA

At 10/11/06 04:26 PM, TomFulp wrote: Thoughts?

Good. The more simple it is, the better...

I think that the interactivity score should stay, it gives Flash authors a motivation to add misc stuff like a scroll bar and a pause button. And it would be great with some preloaders that got brains.

I have created a simple formula to findout if a movie can be streamed:
if(loadedframes * FPS >= (totalframes - loadedframes) * framesdownloadedpersecound + minumumpreload)

It would be great if people allowed their movies to be streamed, fast conections and all. Loadtimes=boring. That needs to change, there is no excuse to not add a small impossible to win game to the preloader.

And please, how hard is it to check if somebody got flash 8? it is basic string work, and you can easliy find code to steal for the task.

At 10/11/06 04:26 PM, TomFulp wrote: Here's another one of those random questions that is really just meant to prepare you for something we might end up doing whether or not you like it:

We have been considering simplifying the review criteria, namely, the individual scores. Going through the different score dropdowns feels like a hassel and some of the criteria feels really dated. For example, we have a score for VIOLENCE... Why the hell do we have a score for violence?

It doesn't seem like anyone is really looking at the individual scores and they aren't being put to use elsewhere, so we're leaning towards just having the single OVERALL score. Instead of dealing with seven dropdown boxes, you can just write your review and pick a single number between 1 and 10 to represent your final opinion.

Thoughts?

I think the individual scoring system defines each and every clip to it's own respect. I do not believe it should be taken away. I watch clips based upon reviews and definatly by how they are rated in each area they are scored on. Rating a clip with one overall rating would sum a clip up into either a peice of crap, or a winner. The individual aspect ratio ratings would define a clip into it's respective catagory either it's funny yet violent. Or a poory animated clip yet great sound or interactivity. Etc etc etc. The best thing about newsgrounds is that an author of a clip can get detailed information on how his clip was rated and what to improve on or slack off on.

If you take out the ability to rate a clip on it's aspects then you take out the ability for the viewers to fully appreciate the clip in every respect then force them to either call it a peice of crap or a winner. Don't be lazy, give the authors their props and show them what their doing right or wrong so they my improve and give us something even better the next time around.

Thank you.

At 10/11/06 04:26 PM, TomFulp wrote: Thoughts?

I think the drop down boxes give much more chance to tailor the review around these points, though I do agree with your 'Why do we have a score for violence?' point.

The criteria which I find useful are Graphics, Sound, Style, Interactivity and Total. Maybe some people have a great idea and then rush it to get a submission in the portal and the scores can summarise this nicely.

I thinking the sub options would be optional. It also encoourages more constructive reveiws. At best the sub options should be changed or a new system would be created so the author can choose.

TOM FULP wrote:
:: It doesn't seem like anyone is really looking at the individual scores and they aren't being put to use elsewhere, so we're leaning towards just having the single OVERALL score. Instead of dealing with seven dropdown boxes, you can just write your review and pick a single number between 1 and 10 to represent your final opinion.
::
:: Thoughts?

Violence do not necessary have to be one of the main parts of Flash submission here on this site.
For example, many of my favorite submissions barely have any or none of it at all!
Few of them like Pandora's Book and Little Less Converstation.
Despite the lack of combat, gore, or obscene words, those Flashes still deliver and they deliver well!

But even if you suggesting to get rid of individual scores, I have to disagree.
Using those score is the major part of reviewers' critique. It offer a brief summary of submission's strength and weakness in whole.
Many reviews may be very unhelpful, and I think we should have a rule of minimum amount of 100 words for each review in order for the reviewer to give thoughtful critique and perhaps some advice.

Also, get rid of "Interactivity" because, like Violence, do not have an important place in submission.

I say:
-keep the other individual scores
-reviews should be at least 100 words
-no Violence and Interactivity brackets

That's all and thank you ^_^
-Avek Vaer the Pracorian Fire Lizard

that sounds much better but it wil be better if you will get somthing if you review

That's really not a bad idea, that's my least favorite part about writing reviews.

I don't think you should have a score... either that or keep the current system and expand it.

For example, users should be able to search for movies/games that have a higher violence or comedy e.t.c, if reviews have equal scores on the category the user has chosen, they should then be ordered by the highest overall score...

Just food for thought.

At 10/11/06 04:28 PM, HeartbreakHoldout wrote: I think thats a good idea. How humourous, violent or interactive something is isn't always relevant to a piece of work. If someone really wants to show their opinion in relevant fields, they can just include it in the actual review.

I couldn't have said it better. I fully agree with HeartbreakHoldout. The new scorring idea is making things more simplistic. Good idea!

its a good idea but maybe lower the amount of boxes and only keep the ones that are used the most?that could help,right?

Sounds good. Saves alot of hassle and I'm sick of getting reviews that are based entirely on the catagorys ("ZO, EYE GAVE U A 0 INN MUZIK CUZE IT SUX BUTT INN VILENCE I GIVE U AE 10 LOLZ HE GUT HIZ HEED BLUWN UPP")

I think you should leave all of them, but make it optional to do all of the categories. Some movies may be funny, and you want to vote in that category, and some may be voilent, and you want to vote in that category.

At 10/11/06 04:26 PM, TomFulp wrote: Thoughts?

I've always thought violence and interactivity are an unecessary categories for reviewing. Graphics, sound and humour are the categories I like. But if it was just an overall score on reviews, that would be ok except I wouldn't know how much the reviewer found my flash funny, unless they said so. The categories like humour do tell me what the person thought about the humour of the flash most of the time.