Be sure to read's Tom's post below regarding this issue. First off I want to apologize to the people I sent warnings to. Basically I watched a good submission acquire votes. I basically sent anyone who gave that movie a 0 a warning. This probably wasn't the best way to handle this situation, even though some of the people may have deserved a warning.

Here's the deal. People are using 0 and 1 far to frequently. 0 is there for one reason, a submission is stolen, offensive, malicious, or complete and utter crap that you know the submitter just threw together to submit something. It's not for "Oh, I didn't really like this, it's not my thing". That is a 2, and maybe a 1 if it's poorly done. We need people to vote more responsibly. Newgrounds need it's submitters, otherwise we wouldn't have any new content to watch! So that being said we have to respect the contributors and support them! If you come across a movie that you don't like, but you know they made an effort and others might enjoy it, vote 2! If you do like it, vote 3, 4, or 5 depending on how much you like it and how well you thought it was put together!

We will continue to monitor voters, and we will take action against those who vote blindly or unfairly for whatever reason. We are mainly concerned with NEW entries that are still under judgment. Once a movie has over 100 votes if you feel it's over or under rated than vote however, but give the people who try to make something a fighting chance! So you won't be getting any more warnings unless you are obviously abusing our system.

i dont understand why people are such insurmounable jerks!

A notion:

There should only be two choices with which to vote, + or -.

If you think the movie should be blammed, vote "-"
If you think the movie should be saved, vote "+"

This would prevent people from voting 0's and 5's based solely on hitting the submission with a stronger vote.

-t!MmY

I agree with what you are saying i saw alot of movies get zeroed to death and they were good i forgot the title of one more i gave a 4 and i put onto my favorite list and when it showed me it's score it was at .83 i wanted to slap every person who had voted on it at that point.
You need to tell people that protection points are the same as blam points so don't just vote to get blam points because u can get protection points just as easy and they are of the same value.

Yeah you get that some times

At 1/9/03 10:02 PM, TheTimmy wrote: A notion:

There should only be two choices with which to vote, + or -.

If you think the movie should be blammed, vote "-"
If you think the movie should be saved, vote "+"

This would prevent people from voting 0's and 5's based solely on hitting the submission with a stronger vote.

-t!MmY

timmy, you make a good point, it should only be + or - that would be fair.

Completely agreed.

This 1 movie this guy was tellen every1 he worked hard and he didnt and he was usin u to make ppl vote a 1 or higherand it was bad animation

Bigbrother_Rant

<rant>
I think that b4 thinking about flush experience of anyone who accumulate trough yearS, you should think more about listening to your users dammit! I mean, i'm here since almost 2 years and we still see hundreds of racist topics. And I do_not_exaggerate.

I'm okay with the jungle-system of NG because without that, that would'nt be funny. I've already leave two time in the past. The first time because the server was too slow, another time because of the hater topics and now I'm thinking about a third exile, because i just couldn't tolerate to make me threaten to have my profile reset because i blam some crap.</rant>

BTW, just erase those thousands of accounts who does'nt really have real ppl attached to it. That will certainly help. Also, stop permitting ppl to upload pics... let them host those pics and just add the link and the pic will still appear but it just wont be on your sever...i dunno i you understand?anyway. The server will certainly get a better life.

My respect,
Fulty

P.S. sry for my english.

Nonono, no + or -. You need a more diverse system with this many submissions. I think Tom and Wade are on the right track with this.

i do agree with every1
but sum ppl are takin it 4 advantagelike the 1 guy i was talkin out in my last post it took him like a min to make it

peace

Well said wade, sum ppl put alot of work into sumthing, then a bunch of ppl decide they dont like it, and it gets blammed. "Opinions are like noses, everybody has one" thought, you may not like the movie, atleast let it have a fighting chance.

At 1/9/03 09:52 PM, WadeFulp wrote: Be sure to read's Tom's post below regarding this issue. First off I want to apologize to the people I sent warnings to. Basically I watched a good submission acquire votes. I basically sent anyone who gave that movie a 0 a warning. This probably wasn't the best way to handle this situation, even though some of the people may have deserved a warning.

Uhh how exactly can you tell? Do you have to watch everyone or can you program something that tells whose voting zero too much. (p.s. I'm not asking this because I vote zero a lot, In fact I almost always vote five. But I'm sure you can check that out)

Wade I vote good all the time and I blam stuff that's 20k or pure shit you don't need to worry about me

At 1/9/03 10:07 PM, Fultos wrote: I think that b4 thinking about flush experience of anyone who accumulate trough yearS, you should think more about listening to your users dammit!

We are listening. What you need to realize is the people we are after make up about, oh, %.001 of our total audience and userbase. So we should piss off the other %99.999 of our users so some assholes can have a field day ruining the site for everyone else?? We will find these people and fuck them over HARD! So if you fall into the %.001 you can save yourself by cleaning up your act.

It seems to me this rating system is completely objective.

Lets say someone posts a medicore stick fighting movie on the portal. What do we get out of it? We get the same stick animation, the same deaths. It's like we've seen this movie a hundred times.

Does that movie deserve a zero?

Or lets say someone posts a new Tricky the Clown movie that's the same as the others. Or someone constantly resubmits the same movie, over and over, despite the number of times it is blammed. Or lets pretend someone posts a 2kb "movie" that is just a couple of lines of text?

Do these movies deserve a zero?

All of these hypothetical situations are objective. I personally think yes, every movie that would be submitted that follows ANY of these examples should be given a zero.

Same with movies I don't like, don't agree with, etc. So what if the animation is fluid? If the content is terrible, if the "message" is terrible, the voice acting is terrible, I don't want a gorgeous terrible movie flooding the portal.

Watching people isn't a bad thing. But before warning or banning or resetting experience points, why don't you watch the movies as well? Maybe there's a reason "STIC ACTION KOMBAT MACHIN!!1!" has been given a zero by me the fourteen times it's submitted.

Maybe you should start taking a look at the authors submitting movies. Why punish us, the ones that help keep good stuff on the portal, and not punish those that resubmit crap over and over, or those that don't take the time to even attempt something good?

~ Quality Control
TRS

At 1/9/03 10:13 PM, PublicEnemy3 wrote:

At 1/9/03 09:52 PM, WadeFulp wrote: Be sure to read's Tom's post below regarding this issue. First off I want to apologize to the people I sent warnings to. Basically I watched a good submission acquire votes. I basically sent anyone who gave that movie a 0 a warning. This probably wasn't the best way to handle this situation, even though some of the people may have deserved a warning.

Uhh how exactly can you tell? Do you have to watch everyone or can you program something that tells whose voting zero too much. (p.s. I'm not asking this because I vote zero a lot, In fact I almost always vote five. But I'm sure you can check that out)

We see an know everything. Muahaha! :) In all seriousness we do keep logs on many things. Most of the time we never have to review them, but the information is there if we need it.

well since I cant post in the other topic anymore I just wanted to bring back up what I posted there... People are abusing reviews. They should only tell what parts they liked or didnt and leave some tips for the bad movies, not things like.. "This will be blammed in a minute"

At 1/9/03 10:13 PM, WadeFulp wrote:

:We will find these people and fuck them over HARD! So if you fall into the %.001 you can save yourself by cleaning up your act.

/me happy :)
That's what regular users wanted to hear i think! ^_^

THANK GOD!
- I POSTED A HIGH QUALITY FLASH AND GOT 3 REVIEWS B4 IT GOT BLAMMED!
One was a 0 saying i spelt february wrong
Another was a 2 sayin i spelt february wrong
The third was a 10 sayin it was awesome and he couldnt wait for the series to come out!

I FIXED THE SPELLING OF FEBRUARY AND AM RE POSTING IT!

I am very glad that the creators of this site really do care.

As to teh [+] or [-] voting system. Its not gonna be fun to vote like that. I like 0 to 5 better.

At 1/9/03 10:14 PM, The_Red_Soviet wrote: Maybe you should start taking a look at the authors submitting movies. Why punish us, the ones that help keep good stuff on the portal, and not punish those that resubmit crap over and over, or those that don't take the time to even attempt something good?

~ Quality Control
TRS

You seem resonable and you probably have nothing to worry about. We're most concerned with the people giving something you and I would give a 5, a 0.

Also, we'd rather see something sorta crappy stay on Newgrounds than be deleted, as long as it isn't stolen, malicious, overly offensive or pornographic, and not completely and utter crap. Because it won't HURT anything. If everyone gives stuff like that 2's it won't be on the daily top 5, it won't ever show up again once it's off the TOP 50 most recent, but if you blam it, it might come back again and again, better to let the damn thing through and into the abyss. Then the author can be happy and show it to his friends and try harder on the next one. Go look at some of Tom's early work, like the very first FDA. That probably would get blammed with today's standards. We all start somewhere. Look how Tom has grown since he started. You might BLAM something and discourage a future Tom Fulp!

I'm still wondering why u let ppl fill the HD of the server with pics? Anyway.

BTW i dunno if you can change something about it but if the voting system was working on the MAC adress in place of the ip adress my bro and I wouldn't be obligate to switch our places to vote XD

tut, tut, tut, btw, btw, btw, does anyone saw a pic of miss. wade? ???O_o???

Wade Fulp wrote: as long as it isn't stolen, malicious, overly offensive or pornographic, and not completely and utter crap.

But 1 thing about that wade, u say "Pornographic" yet newgrounds has sections for "Pornographic material" for example "Dress-Up Games" and "Dating Sims" :-P srry, just couldnt resist meantioning that your basiclly contradicting yourself there wade...

At 1/9/03 10:17 PM, ArcticAvalanche wrote: People are abusing reviews. They should only tell what parts they liked or didnt and leave some tips for the bad movies, not things like.. "This will be blammed in a minute"

i totally agree i mean ppl are like "its got good grfxs" give it a ten in grfxs and zero overall well its got good grfxs but was wrong with it ?
ones i hate the most "if i see u on the street am gonna kill you and i hope u then get run over with a car" giving all zeros. reviews are there to tell what u like about the movie and what u dis liked so the author can help make better movies in the future

At 1/9/03 10:29 PM, Soul_blighter wrote: Wade Fulp wrote: as long as it isn't stolen, malicious, overly offensive or pornographic, and not completely and utter crap.

But 1 thing about that wade, u say "Pornographic" yet newgrounds has sections for "Pornographic material" for example "Dress-Up Games" and "Dating Sims" :-P srry, just couldnt resist meantioning that your basiclly contradicting yourself there wade...

I should said overly pornogrpahic. The whole porn thing is kinda a grey area. Basically what we don't want is people uploading just porn picture galleries, or videos showing intercourse, etc. If someone works a nude image into a funny game or movie, we let is slide. Very soon we'll have NG ratings so this will be less of an issue. Something that is pornographic would just get an A raiting for ADULT.

How about vote 1, 2 or 3
3 being great
2 being average
1 being pretty poor or crap

if the threshold gets below say a 1.5 then its deleted

There really should be a + or - voting system, I only vote 0 or 5 depending on whether i think the score should be higher or lower, if it's about right, I just don't vote. The reason people vote 0 all the time is becaue they're rewarded with blam points, why should they care who they hurt or help if they're being rewarded either way. I think the solution is to force people to view entries before they are allowed to vote, so maybe they'll feel bad about voting 0 for no reason.

Is there a way to disable voting until a person has actually loaded a flash? Forcing people to actually watch the animation might help get good evaluations of the work.

Another idea might be sending blammed movies to a "graveyard" where, if enough users agree, they can be resurrected. Sort of a veto-type system, checks and balances and whatnot.

maybe you should change some of the things that pico vote bar says to help sway some ppls votes