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Jose

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Posted at: 1/10/03 11:13 PM

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At 1/10/03 10:57 PM, eskimosotero wrote: suck my donkey nuts! u have no fucking right!retards, for americans ur all asswipes who dont know ur own damn laws. kids in honduras and kenya know ur own governments functions and laws better than u all? should u care? no, but it should disturb u. stupid retards.

Go Back To Canada.


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Posted at: 1/10/03 11:19 PM

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At 1/10/03 11:09 PM, night_raider wrote: i think the idea of leveling up is what makes people get so anxious to get exp. click on a movie vote whatever and get exp and not care about the hard work that was put into it. its lazyness that harms movies when they are being judged. it takes less than a second to vote on maybe a really fantastic movie, so maybe what should be done is have the voting bar accesable only after the movie is done. probably wont work but oh well. its what happens when just anyone is allowed to vote, cmon, giving vote power to anyone is just asking them to be assholes. its how some people become happy.

i agree with this completely. Some people do act like assholes when they have voting power. I just didn't like how this was almost completely generalized to about everyone who ever posted a 0


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Posted at: 1/10/03 11:31 PM

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At 1/10/03 11:19 PM, Spontaneous416 wrote:
At 1/10/03 11:09 PM, night_raider wrote: i think the idea of leveling up is what makes people get so anxious to get exp. click on a movie vote whatever and get exp and not care about the hard work that was put into it. its lazyness that harms movies when they are being judged. it takes less than a second to vote on maybe a really fantastic movie, so maybe what should be done is have the voting bar accesable only after the movie is done. probably wont work but oh well. its what happens when just anyone is allowed to vote, cmon, giving vote power to anyone is just asking them to be assholes. its how some people become happy.
i agree with this completely. Some people do act like assholes when they have voting power. I just didn't like how this was almost completely generalized to about everyone who ever posted a 0

People should read the entire thread of things, to get the idea. I think at one point Wade said they were after 20-50 people, and at another point said 99.999% of the people were ok. I don't see how that's 'everyone'.


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night-raider

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Posted at: 1/10/03 11:33 PM

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i agree with this completely. Some people do act like assholes when they have voting power. I just didn't like how this was almost completely generalized to about everyone who ever posted a 0

what i meant was the users who go clicking away at random entries and expect exp and blam points. Ive done my share of blams, and i made sure they deserved it. and thanks for agreeing wit me


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Posted at: 1/10/03 11:38 PM

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At 1/10/03 11:28 PM, Fuckfuckfuckfuckfuck wrote: hey u no what wade fulp u and tom are both sexist queers we are saving ur site by getting rid of crap and saving ur bandwidth. the least u could do is thank us for voting off these crap movies, not get pissed off. we can vote how we want. i am gonna relate u to saddam hussein for no reason just cus i feel like it even though u are no way like him. haha i taunt u and piss u off yet u do nothing all u can do is ban me from this site or something SADDAM! I know ur big secret u and tom are really spies from iraq and ur workin for suddam. u no where mr laden is dont u. HUH HUH!!!!!!

well you are one of the few users who si not scared to say how he feels. I take it you don't care if they remove your account for bashing them huh?


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Posted at: 1/10/03 11:43 PM

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I find it distasteful when I finish reviewing a movie, which I thought need some work, but say I gave it a 5. Then, as soon as I go pack to the Portal Front page I either see it in red lettering, or gone already. Or, the "beloved" Newgrounds Graveyard...uhh.

Ryan

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How you doin?


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At 1/10/03 11:28 PM, Fuckfuckfuckfuckfuck wrote: hey u no what wade fulp u and tom are both sexist queers we are saving ur site by getting rid of crap and saving ur bandwidth. the least u could do is thank us for voting off these crap movies, not get pissed off. we can vote how we want. i am gonna relate u to saddam hussein for no reason just cus i feel like it even though u are no way like him. haha i taunt u and piss u off yet u do nothing all u can do is ban me from this site or something SADDAM! I know ur big secret u and tom are really spies from iraq and ur workin for suddam. u no where mr laden is dont u. HUH HUH!!!!!!

LIEK OMG U REBL UR SO KEWL THAT IM GO33N 2 DO THAT 2!!!!!!!!!!!!111

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Yeah, you're cool. Fight the power, brother! I hope you're on some shitty IP no one else uses so Wade can ban you and people don't have to waste their time reading your stuff and becoming dumber.


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At 1/10/03 08:57 AM, provoko wrote: What the hell!! I see you're taking the path HITLER did when he wanted a perfect world! WTF! I can't believe you would punish people for doing what's supposed to be purly demoractic. If I want to give a flash a 0 I'll give it a 0. If I want to give something a 1 or 2 or 3 OR FOUR OR FREAKIN FIVE I WILL!

tru dat!!! tru dat!!!


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At 1/10/03 11:43 PM, RyanAn wrote: I find it distasteful when I finish reviewing a movie, which I thought need some work, but say I gave it a 5. Then, as soon as I go pack to the Portal Front page I either see it in red lettering, or gone already. Or, the "beloved" Newgrounds Graveyard...uhh.

Ryan

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I hate it even more when I spend 5 or 10 minutes writing out a review for a movie and then when I hit the submit button, it says "Error, the movie has been deleted or was never in the portal"
That has happened to me 4 times now and it just keeps sucking more, EACH AND EVERY TIME!!!!!!!

heheheh, no joke, I hate that shit. Wade, can we fix that lil bug by any chance?

Like he'll respond.


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provoko's right, this is a web site for the people. and we can whatever we want, if you don't like it then change the fuckin' voting system.

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At 1/10/03 10:57 PM, eskimosotero wrote: suck my donkey nuts! u have no fucking right!retards, for americans ur all asswipes who dont know ur own damn laws. kids in honduras and kenya know ur own governments functions and laws better than u all? should u care? no, but it should disturb u. stupid retards.

Well, now we're just getting off topic.

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ryu12

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Posted at: 1/11/03 12:16 AM

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There are so many pages this is awesome!

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Posted at: 1/11/03 12:17 AM

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Good job Wade, Crack down on those bungholes that vote 0 on EVERYTHING. Delete their accounts and show em whos boss. Voting is a privilege NOT A RIGHT, so vote fairly, FARTKNOCKERS!

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Posted at: 1/11/03 12:22 AM

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Hey Wade! Remember that thing you said about not calling you Hitler? Well some people on the forums are circulating a pic of you as Hitler. Just thought youd like to know.


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get rid of the words make it just say 1,2,3,4,5,0


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dimsum001

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Posted at: 1/11/03 12:34 AM

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Hey Every body!! I think that the system has been working great because all the good stuff has stayed on and lately there has been alot of good movies. I don't think there is enough users that vote 0 to actually do reel big damage to good movies. I guess some (very few) people who actually do need to have there experence points go down to a 0 but not too many. Also some1 else made a good remark that if your soo worried about this then y do u suport the blam club?????? That is all go now!!!!!


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Posted at: 1/11/03 12:40 AM

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I hate when stuff keeps on getting resubmitted, and it hasn't change one bit. I don't vote zero though I don't want to get nailed by the so called "big brother"! Hey all those people who like do give zeros, why don't you use 1 as the zero! Bad idea.

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Did you notice in the portal how many flashes were sent 120. Now how many got blammed? 117! That is insane, now that is how much crap goes to NG. That is why we need blammers!

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At 1/10/03 06:25 PM, MrBiggLLB wrote:
At 1/10/03 05:26 PM, Blam-Clock wrote: Wade why r u giving crappy movies a chance to live?? If someone says they put tons of effort into it and it still sux than im still gonna blam it wether they spent a month on it or an hour.
Die. Now. You're not even a real clock.

Go find some intelligence, then come back and insult me, which I know I can expect from you.

Please think of something a little more creative than "gay" or "fag" too, ok?

i know this was way earlier on but, dude i wasnt even talking to u so get your head out of ur ass, u small dicked woman.

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Posted at: 1/11/03 12:50 AM

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EVERYONE WHO AGREE'S WITH WADE PROBABLY DOES AGREE WITH HIM BECAUSE YOU WANT YOUR CRAPPY MOVIES TO HAVE A CHANCE, WHERE ACCUALLY IT WONT SURVIVE TEN MINUTES!!!!!

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Posted at: 1/11/03 12:51 AM

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That is it!
If anyone has read this bbs post, know this:
Half the people who complain think that Wade and Tom want to rob them of their right to vote or something! What they are after are people who are sitting in front of their computers all day voting 0 on every god damn portal entry, without watching, looking at the file size or even reading the submission's name!!! They are not some kind of frickin' Hitlers!

Voting 0 on everything is dumb and assholish. But zero doesn't mean that it's extremely offensive anymore, that's the whisstle. My rating scale is this:
whisstle: never used it yet. I would blow it on a submission like "dead baby wassup", which displayed horrifying images of bloody dead newborns saying " wassup!"
0: used it a lot. Something that should be blammed in the next 20 minutes. I don't need to give examples.
1: use it sometimes. Deserves turd of the week, made me smile.
2: used it a lot. Normal flash that deserves to stay, but that is not really great in any way.
3. use it sometimes. Deserves daily "top 10"
4. not too often. Deserves daily feature and maybe even front page.
5. not often. Deserves top fifty.
I don't use 0 just to insure maximum blamming probabilities, nor do I use 5 to insure protection. Many users might think I'm harsh. I am. That is why I have chosen a dark aura. Think about it: if all nor bad movies got a 5, what would a really high score mean? On Ng, there are generous and not so generous users, and this balance makes movies get the score they deserve, and it's great!

About that +=- thing: it's pure stupidity! Having a range of one to five equals much fairer accurate votes! Think about it, who would have voted "-" on any of the top 50 movies when they entered the portal? Then all these movies would have a perfect score? Then a bunch of users who would want that movie to go down would just go and vote "-" on it all the time. The voting system should go up to 0-10 if you want fair votes that much. As for me, I think the current voting numbers are perfect.

For all the brainiacs out there who say that blam/ protection points should be dealt with, here's a little story... Once upon a time, in the portal, in a simpler time when blam/protection didn't exist, movies where recieving less than 60 votes/ views before they vanished into the dephts of the portal. The authors where getting little feedback as the voters only voted five times a day, usually on movies titles with a green or blue color bar on them. Even worse, the users had a blam count for every movie they personnaly sent to the grave, so people where holding back their votes until they could be almost sure to be the one to destroy a movie. And even worse than that, the portal was getting swarmed with unblammed / unprotected movies that no one ever watched. Around that time, the portal population was above 20 000!
Then, the Ng gods decided to implant the blam/ protection system, which rewarded users for casting votes. At that time, the great "Gathering of Points" begun, smarter Ng users went in the last pages of the portal and blammed all the extremely crappy movies there. Soon, the portal population dropped by 20%. No more movies where leaving the recent submission page without being blammed of protected and better movies could stay 3-4 days on the list, and so, get a lot more exposure. All the portal problems seemed to be solved...
But then, Ng realised that to much blam/ without vote was going on, so they decided to try new things to make people watch aaaaaaaall the entries they voted on, which brings us to current days.
........And that is why removing the blam/protection system will only create problems or "de-evolve" the site.

If you're wondering what score to give to what movies, here's a little trick. Watch the first three movies on the top fifty. They deserve a "5". Watch the last three movies in the portal ( view all). They deserve "0". Do the same thing for movies with scores of exactly 1.00, 2.00, 3.00. You should get the picture.

Why do some users recklessly vote 0 on everything? Because they know 85% of the entries they vote on will get deleted anyway, so, easy blam points. This indeed is contrary to the portal spirit and sucks.
I don't know the proportion of users who do that nor do I know how much power they wield, but I seriously doubt they could have enough strengh to blam a movie like Beebo of Final task.

Here is something you should think of: A filter that automaticaly enables the non-monitored blamming of movies under 40k, with a title containing "free blam" or "blam please". You should also think about periodicaly banning users every time 10 of their movies get blammed. This will force them to not resubmit crap or to improve or stop spamming.

I would also support the idea of not being able to vote without having submitted anything, but Flash is indeed a very complicated program and perhaps hard to get most people, so it would be a bit unfair. And it would most certainly lower the site traffic quite a bit.

NO MORE WHINNING ABOUT THE PORN ADDS! Unless you personnaly are going to send Tom Fulp a 1000$ check.

Now, for some constructive ideas.
Do something about the movies that are still on the portal but have a score below 1.5. You could delete 15 pages of crap! You could do an annual blamfest where everyone would be invited to vote 0 on these movies so they free up some space for newer stuff! Or you could just delete them ( without awarding any points to any one, of course). Getting rid of these will pose the problem of "What about my turd of the week award!".
How's this: a whole portal section only for Turd of the Week Winning Entries!
And scrap that obituary! Or make it delete all the 2 months or older stuff: the authors had ample time to read the reviews!

Well, I hope at least one person is going to read/ reply to this, because it was a bit long to type.


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Posted at: 1/11/03 12:53 AM

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At 1/11/03 12:48 AM, Blam-Clock wrote:
At 1/10/03 06:25 PM, MrBiggLLB wrote:
At 1/10/03 05:26 PM, Blam-Clock wrote: Wade why r u giving crappy movies a chance to live?? If someone says they put tons of effort into it and it still sux than im still gonna blam it wether they spent a month on it or an hour.
Die. Now. You're not even a real clock.

Go find some intelligence, then come back and insult me, which I know I can expect from you.

Please think of something a little more creative than "gay" or "fag" too, ok?
i know this was way earlier on but, dude i wasnt even talking to u so get your head out of ur ass, u small dicked woman.

Woo! Fifth grade comebacks that double as oxymorons! Woo!

... I wish I could blam YOU, idiot. Sadly, Wade and Tom get that job. I hope they decide to. Anyway, you're taking this thread off-topic, and I guess I'm helping that, but... STOP! You tried to make one valid response then just threw lame insults at the ones who made fun of your views.


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ChaoSSlight

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Posted at: 1/11/03 01:03 AM

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Well, it appears that my suggestion of blocking off those on a single IP address with multiple usernames completely devoted to only voting zero is completely invalidated now. Oh well. However, Wade was referring to those who go straight zero, regardless of any quality whatsoever. Furthermore, he was referring to those with a lot of weight behind their votes. so...

On a note of complete and utter irony: "Also be sure to vote as soon as you can! There is no reason to hold back your vote any more to try to get a BLAM! If you hold back to be the deciding vote you may miss your chance at gaining a point!" - Portal FAQ

IMO, it's really unhealthy to keep scouting out the Portal and critiquing every single movie that comes in. You become either too complacent or too vindictive, and that can affect the tolerance of your voting curve.

On a completely different note, I would really love to see the Carmen E. Dress-Up Doll actually BLAMmed after so many months of it living on the sole fact that it was a real picture. At least Wade's Bubble Bath thing had some real Flash programming involved. However, I've seen the jicksta submission go down from 2.54 to 2.50 from November to December of last year, so hey, it's possible. Additionally, it could show voting power used to result in titanic consequences.


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smoothstudios

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Posted at: 1/11/03 01:12 AM

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I agree with most of the people above. Giving zeros to even half decent movies is wrong. Although, I may now have a reputation of being a Blaminator, i only blam utter crap. Unfortunatly, there is too much crap submitted. Somepeople get angry with all the 0 worthy movies that they rage on mediocre movies that could normally make it. I look at my movies that i made when i was starting out and i realize that a lot of them would be blammed in about 10 minutes if i submitted them today. The voters have gotten very harsh ever since the BLAM points were introduced. Its a shame, but it also makes animators try harder. Don't expect another movie from me for a while, i gotta put my best work into it if its gonna make it.


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Posted at: 1/11/03 01:30 AM

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At 1/9/03 09:52 PM, WadeFulp wrote:

We will continue to monitor voters, and we will take action against those who vote blindly or unfairly for whatever reason.

Are 5's still largely unrestricted? I know I tend to vote highly on things I like, and often things I like are in serieses or all by the same artist, which might LOOK suspicious. I hope you won't take the big-brother thing so far that people like myself get hindered.


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Posted at: 1/11/03 01:55 AM

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Would you guys vote 0 on my upcoming movie starring game character from mortal combat-Megaman?

Ohh yeah little dick women,Back to health class

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BooDestroyer

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Posted at: 1/11/03 01:57 AM

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Holy shit, don't take an entertainment site so seriously!

Well, I do not tend to bitch, but basically, Wade's message is, "View first and vote fairly according to what you saw. If you vote 0 on EVERYTHING, then you are kaput."

Anyways, just don't be the site's mindless drones and enjoy the content here all you want!


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And lots of characters from snes and other games from capcom.There all getting drunk and partying.

WOULD YOU VOTE 0

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BooDestroyer

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At 1/11/03 01:57 AM, SamuraiSushiX0Gold wrote: And lots of characters from snes and other games from capcom.There all getting drunk and partying.

WOULD YOU VOTE 0

OMFG you want a 0?


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Mojimbo

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Posted at: 1/11/03 02:08 AM

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is it just me or do the words gay and tom fit pefectly into the same sentance or what?!?!?! i think it would sound like "Wade is gay! Wadeis gay! Wade is gay!"

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