Stolen Flash
Another doofus who posts something other than his own work and admits it in the Author Comments.
You be the judge here; is this allowed?
At 11/12/10 06:49 PM, Rabid-Animals wrote:At 11/12/10 06:45 PM, Rabid-Animals wrote: Stolen Flash:Wow, nice work, everyone! Not five minutes after I posted, it's flagged. I guess it was kind of obvious to most people too.
Yea most of the time when we post stuff in here if it gets flagged it's because it's obvious. We don't have enough wait with just us to flag stuff. It's kind of annoying when I find stuff that is stolen, but that people wouldn't know out right and it doesn't get flagged.
Well I don't know why but it's usually pretty hard for me to spot them as I don't really know what to look for even after I have been here this long. That or just have not paid enough attention to things but I usually flag it if anything looks suspicious.
When life gives you lemons, be glad it didn't give you herpes.
At 11/13/10 02:37 PM, Pandamir wrote: Well I don't know why but it's usually pretty hard for me to spot them as I don't really know what to look for even after I have been here this long. That or just have not paid enough attention to things but I usually flag it if anything looks suspicious.
My rule of thumb is to look for first time flash submitters, but that alone doesn't mean they aren't the authors. Also, if the game has a logo from a website and the email address isn't from that website, it's highly likely that the game is stolen. That's why they let you know where the author's email address is from.
Also you can look at their other submissions. If they have many submissions that are from different websites, it's a pretty clear flag. Most of the time if I see something I think is suspicious, you just google the title of it to try to find the original and go from there.
Whats with all the flash theives this weekend? O.o
At 11/13/10 06:55 PM, BenwaHakubi wrote: Whats with all the flash theives this weekend? O.o
God knows. I can't think of any school holiday or other such event in any western country's calendar that would result in this level of multi-noobing all over the flash portal.
Maybe the internet is just going through a dumb phase right now, I dunno.
Hello again, chaps! Better wipe my feet, its muddy out here.
Oh, slippers! Great, yes certainly I will take my shoes off. Yes, perfect fit. Its cold out there, but that fire looks warm.
Oh, fine thank you. Yes the Wiki is doing great, we are way up at 433 Pages now, with up to 300 page views a day. I imagine you chaps saw our advert go through the Portal recently; it did OK for a basic flash. Various top brass have dropped in in the last few months, such as Wade and XwaynecoltX.
How are you good people getting on? Still manning the trenches, I assume?
Splendid. Jolly good show, I say.
Don't mind if I do, thank you.
Milk and one sugar- Thats right, you remembered! Always the sign of a good host.
Well now, yes, there was a reason for coming today. Its like this, despite you lot saying that you weren't interested in creating a Pagefor yourselves, I decided that you were one of the most important C&C's on the BBS, so I made a Page for you. Now that the Page has been Destubbed, I thought I had better invite you chaps to take a look and see if you feel like adding to it. Your good friends the Policehave a Page, which Tails wrote.
You did ask me about what happens if someone edits/vandalises the page. I wouldn't worry too much about that. It isn't likely to last for more than a few hours. Our small but dedicated team live in a wide space of time zones, though I would be grateful if a couple of you chaps joined up and Followed the page, just in case.
Muffin? Oh, yes. Blueberry! How kind. I could certainly find a space for one of those. Well, I can't stay long, its nearly 2am in Blightly.
Well, thanks for listening anyway, I hope you will drop by sometime. Toodle Pip!
We are the Dragons & Spirits. We are friendly people. Best Wishes, Ice!
At 11/13/10 08:56 PM, IceDragon64 wrote: Well now, yes, there was a reason for coming today. Its like this, despite you lot saying that you weren't interested in creating a Pagefor yourselves, I decided that you were one of the most important C&C's on the BBS, so I made a Page for you. Now that the Page has been Destubbed, I thought I had better invite you chaps to take a look and see if you feel like adding to it. Your good friends the Policehave a Page, which Tails wrote.
You did ask me about what happens if someone edits/vandalises the page. I wouldn't worry too much about that. It isn't likely to last for more than a few hours. Our small but dedicated team live in a wide space of time zones, though I would be grateful if a couple of you chaps joined up and Followed the page, just in case.
While we can certainly appreciate your enthusiasm on spreading the word about the EGB, and we can't prevent you from creating your own page about us, you really do need to understand a few things regarding our position about Wiki and the Elite Guard:
1) EGSC EagleRock has the final say over the Guard. I would strongly recommend contacting him directly regarding any future advertising or information dispersal.
2) Between the EGB Forum and the EGB Website we have fully described the Barracks and all that we stand for in a controlled setting. EagleRock manages the Forum, and I manage the website. All information and content is confirmed and controlled by only us two - and as updates are required, we make the changes accordingly.
3) IMHO having to maintain a public WIKI page just adds unnecessary work and duplicity to the Elite Guard. Why should we have to worry about checking that WIKI daily to make sure it's accurate and not maliciously altered when we already have all of our public information available in a controlled environment? Really doesn't make sense to me, and I think you'll be hard pressed to convince EagleRock.
However, although I do know our Commander fairly well, I cannot answer for him. I think it best to let him cogitate on this situation and apprise us of his own views and insight.
Thanks for dropping in - you'll be hearing from us soon...
At 11/13/10 07:02 PM, Sheizenhammer wrote:At 11/13/10 06:55 PM, BenwaHakubi wrote: Whats with all the flash theives this weekend? O.oGod knows. I can't think of any school holiday or other such event in any western country's calendar that would result in this level of multi-noobing all over the flash portal.
Maybe the internet is just going through a dumb phase right now, I dunno.
In my area the schools have been off for veterans day and friday for a teacher work (inservice) day. So mabey 2 days is how long it takes to get bored and steal stuff. Ugh stupid kids. Theres better things to do with your time than steal.
Yay! Byte was right! All I needed was a vacation. I'm at the beach right now, since I won't have class tomorrow, I went to the beach, so, I could relax a bit.
I'm using my uncle's Sony Vaio... Wow, it's great! never used a Vaio in my life, and I'm starting to be expert in Windows Vista. lol
So, as I see, a lot of people are stealing flashes, too bad I'm not in the mood to flag all those stolen stuff. Ugh.
So, how're you going guys? had a great weekend?? I'm having an awesome one! :)
What the fuck is this?
It's a YouTube video embedded in a flash. I don't understand this, why would he do that?
At 11/14/10 09:47 PM, Rabid-Animals wrote:At 11/14/10 01:09 PM, Ronald-McDonald-LoL wrote: It's a YouTube video embedded in a flash. I don't understand this, why would he do that?To circumvent the filesize restrictions.
Yeah, he's done a couple of those. That guys animations look promising, but honestly that presentation just looks like shit.
If I were him, I'd get an admin to bump my size restrictions up and upload the original because it's just too hard to enjoy an embedded youtube video. Just my 2 cents...
This won an award.
THIS WON AN AWARD.
...Seriously, Newgrounds? Was it THAT slow of a day here on the Portal?! FFS, it's just a slideshow with no interactivity! That, and also I'm certain none of those drawings were made by the author and the Flash itself is a shameless plug for his website - that's about three Flash Submission rules violations right there (though to be fair, i'd say the last two are excusable).
Okay, if you count the buttons to change between the pictures as interactivity, then please disregard my post - otherwise, please see the rest of the post for my rant. Starting...now:
The reason I'm calling this specific Flash out is because I think it breaks the rules and I don't believe it should have won an award. That game, among many other adult galleries on this site, doesn't have any kind of "interactivity" to it at all and plays like a perverted Powerpoint Presentation. Until the admins put in a Gallery category for games, I don't think we should let these kinds of Flash continue to pass.
Why? Because it's not a game, it's not a movie, it's a slideshow, something clearly prohibited in the Portal submission page rules. A slideshow on Newgrounds is a Flash consisting of images that can viewed in a consecutive order via a play function or buttons to switch between illustrations.
That's where the "interactivity" ends. Because this is the de-facto trait to a slideshow, I would not count it as interactivity at all. This would be like buying a car and expecting it to have brakes, not because they have a function to the vehicle, but because every car is expected to have brakes. Sure, the gallery doesn't just go through all the images without any control over it (i.e. truly, no interactivity of any kind whatsoever. In the car analogy, this would be a car without brakes...), but just putting buttons on the screen to scroll through pictures without anything else is not what I consider interactivity.
Quiz games are okay if you want to reward the user with a slideshow/gallery for completion. Having the user play mini-games or jump through some hoops to get their prize works too. What we have seen by having that particular Flash win 3rd place, in my understanding of the rules and my own personal opinion, is just nonsense. If the buttons to "see next pic", "see last pic", and "changemute music" are a loophole to get past the "no interactivity" rule of some sort, then someone ought to rewrite the rules to be more specific about "interactivity".
Personally, I don't have a problem with adult Flash entering the Portal. In fact many of our greatest and most popular artists frequently use adult themes, explicitly sexual messages, and occasionally nudity and full-blown acts of sexual contact between characters. What I'm not okay with is that some guys see this as an excuse to just post Flash that doesn't involve anything more than a forward and back button between dirty pictures, much like the author of the gallery - in fact, all of his Flash are this.
He isn't alone, either (though the last user has since cleaned up his act and made Spam movies). Nothing personal against them, but Jesus Christ, at least try to make people earn their jollies!
Let's consider the guidelines for blowing the whistle on a submitted entry:
a.) This movie is stolen.
b.) This movie is malicious (e.g. spawns pop-up windows, etc.)
c.) This movie is unsuitable (e.g. hardcore adult, porn slideshow, hateful, illegal, etc.)
I think the only one applicable here is C, as it is a "porn slideshow". Sure it has buttons to switch between pictures and turn off the music, but that shouldn't count. Under any normal circumstances, I would expect this kind of Flash to be flagged and NOT WIN A DAILY AWARD.
So, who is in the right here? Am I coming down too hard on these guys or are they deserving of this tongue-lashing? What is the EGB stance on submissions like this? Honestly, this is quite disheartening to see, though at the same time, every talentless hack who strives for Portal dominance just had a huge window opened for them ON THIS DAY, I SEE CLEARLY...
...I'm in that camp so, w00t?
Take care of yourself.
At 11/15/10 01:51 AM, ArtDanVal wrote:
A very long rant
...I'm in that camp so, w00t?
I remember back in the old days those were flagged and marked for review before they could even pass judgement. But guess what? Things change and now these things pass judgement and don't get flagged. Also with all the statwhores who vote for the points + People who only vote 5 for the max effect + People who love hentai porn I am not surprised that this has happened.
At 11/15/10 05:02 AM, Rory wrote: And here's another one.
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/55 3666
The music from the flash interupted my listening of Tom Sawyer by rush, You just can't do that.
(Copy of my post from the NGPD)
Good eye, I had caught these two as well, but you beat me to the punch in posting them. This is the moment of truth. Here is the day where we can take a stand against these abominations and show the authors that we mean business.
At 11/15/10 04:52 AM, LittleWashu wrote: I remember back in the old days those were flagged and marked for review before they could even pass judgement. But guess what? Things change and now these things pass judgement and don't get flagged. Also with all the statwhores who vote for the points + People who only vote 5 for the max effect + People who love hentai porn I am not surprised that this has happened.
I believe I covered this effect in one of my newsposts, but you aren't mistake. It is truly a sad reminder of the state the Flash Portal has been left in by the NARV threat and those who do not know any better. I doubt my whistle will ever level up if I stick to flagging Portal subs, as even blatantly stolen Flashes get through without raising a red flag with staggering frequency, and now comes the threat of encroachment by erotic galleries *shivers*.
Now is the time where the Newgrounds Portal needs our support more than ever. We are the strong, the swift, the elite - as enlisted members, we should encourage everyone to see in what ways we can remedy our situation here. Together, we are perhaps the strongest group on Newgrounds voting-wise and we should use our powers for the good of the Portal. Let's see to it that our power is not just for show and that we are determined to bring back that same air of quality we had from the years past we now reminisce in.
BTW, did you get my PM?
Take care of yourself.
At 11/15/10 05:27 AM, ArtDanVal wrote:At 11/15/10 04:52 AM, LittleWashu wrote: I remember back in the old days those were flagged and marked for review before they could even pass judgement. But guess what? Things change and now these things pass judgement and don't get flagged. Also with all the statwhores who vote for the points + People who only vote 5 for the max effect + People who love hentai porn I am not surprised that this has happened.I believe I covered this effect in one of my newsposts, but you aren't mistake. It is truly a sad reminder of the state the Flash Portal has been left in by the NARV threat and those who do not know any better. I doubt my whistle will ever level up if I stick to flagging Portal subs, as even blatantly stolen Flashes get through without raising a red flag with staggering frequency, and now comes the threat of encroachment by erotic galleries *shivers*.
Now is the time where the Newgrounds Portal needs our support more than ever. We are the strong, the swift, the elite - as enlisted members, we should encourage everyone to see in what ways we can remedy our situation here. Together, we are perhaps the strongest group on Newgrounds voting-wise and we should use our powers for the good of the Portal. Let's see to it that our power is not just for show and that we are determined to bring back that same air of quality we had from the years past we now reminisce in.
BTW, did you get my PM?
I don't know why, but the flash itself was deleted. But on another note, the portal is a little better then it was in the past. In the past there were a lot more crappy entries going into the portal, and because of the that Blam points rained supreme. Now a lot of better flash entries are in the portal and now more protect points are up for grabs.
However in that case yeah I would say it is worse. When NG first started there were no rules for porn and people could post it as they pleased. Then rules were put in, and they were picked off like wounded rats. Now like I said for whatever reason they are left alone.
On your last part you and the rest of the EGB are some of the strongest users on NG (I don't include myself since I am a retired EGB member) I just post here whenever I see a rule breaking flash since I know that the members here will do the right thing. But don't forget the purpose of the EGB is to protect the portal fairly. Also remember everyone has their own thoughts on what get blammed and what stays but sadly the tide doesn't always work that way in many cases.
It is old but in it Wade posts, and explains what is still happening to this very day.
Hey guuys! What's up? Having a nice Monday? It's pretty rainy here in the beach, so, I won't go out today.
As I saw the new posts, our friend ArtDanVal posted a stolen flash here, I completely agree w/ you Art, Newgrounds users DON'T care if a flash is stolen, malicious or insuitable, they just mass- vote 5, just because they are fucking statwhores. Awww, c'mon Newgrounds, you're givin' a fucking award to an insuitable flash?? Fuck!
Anyway, hey Art! Do you still remember me?? Long time I don't see ya! What's up? :)
So, any good news fellow EGBers?
Well it's just a sign of what NG has come to nowdays. Where unsuitable flashes get awards and where the statwhores and n00bs come in by the truckloads. But in some ways it's better around here at least on the BBS anyway. But still the portal is fine it's just the people that visit there give all the stolen flashes the treatment they don't deserve.
When life gives you lemons, be glad it didn't give you herpes.
At 11/15/10 11:18 AM, LittleWashu wrote:
I don't know why, but the flash itself was deleted. But on another note, the portal is a little better then it was in the past. In the past there were a lot more crappy entries going into the portal, and because of the that Blam points rained supreme. Now a lot of better flash entries are in the portal and now more protect points are up for grabs.
However in that case yeah I would say it is worse. When NG first started there were no rules for porn and people could post it as they pleased. Then rules were put in, and they were picked off like wounded rats. Now like I said for whatever reason they are left alone.
Yes, I remember when there were crews who essentially submitted the same thing over and over again without any change, even after being BLAMmed in the past. Those, I agree were breaking the rules for violating the "resubmission without any change" clause. As for better things today, I am somewhat skeptical, although there is no doubt that there are certainly more high-profile and successful Flash authors contributing to the Portal more regularly than in previous years.
I am a bit surprised to see that the Flash was deleted, a moment of silence for it shall commence now
...
...hopefully what has transpired there will follow through if the author attempts the same thing again, since it was clearly in violation of the submission rules. The rest of it just makes me sad, however.
On your last part you and the rest of the EGB are some of the strongest users on NG (I don't include myself since I am a retired EGB member) I just post here whenever I see a rule breaking flash since I know that the members here will do the right thing. But don't forget the purpose of the EGB is to protect the portal fairly. Also remember everyone has their own thoughts on what get blammed and what stays but sadly the tide doesn't always work that way in many cases.
Of course, everyone is entitled to their opinion and it is reflected in our voting - I would not want to influence anyone to forcibly change that for whatever reason, then we are no better than the ill-fated BLAM club. I and everyone here also appreciate your contributions to combating submissions that are in violation of the rules, although a decline in membership and active members has also meant that sometimes these reports come in too late or without any/many to answer the call in time.
It is old but in it Wade posts, and explains what is still happening to this very day.
I've never read the post, but what he mentions doesn't surprise me at all. The NG staff has since grown up and gotten their lives in order, so they aren't on here as they once were in the past. Doesn't mean they don't care or know what's up, though. Still, I hope someday either Wade or another admin will come out and address the issue and revise the submission rules so that what's happening right now doesn't keep happening in the future.
The whole spam crew thing is a front for its members to rank up quickly and turn those "big guns against the townspeople" into heavier artillery, which doesn't seem right. They're essentially cheating the system by using their power for their own benefit and to influence the outcome of an otherwise fair electoral process. I am not saying we should counter-act their circle-jerking voting pattern by getting involved in the same practice ourselves, but this "mass-pass" and "fuck-it & 5-it" mentality is getting out of hand. Anyone think that raising the number of required votes would quell the issue, or would that just encourage more dummy accounts/recruitment from perpetrators to get around it?
At 11/15/10 12:49 PM, RogerBK wrote: Hey guuys! What's up? Having a nice Monday? It's pretty rainy here in the beach, so, I won't go out today.
As I saw the new posts, our friend ArtDanVal posted a stolen flash here, I completely agree w/ you Art, Newgrounds users DON'T care if a flash is stolen, malicious or insuitable, they just mass- vote 5, just because they are fucking statwhores. Awww, c'mon Newgrounds, you're givin' a fucking award to an insuitable flash?? Fuck!
Anyway, hey Art! Do you still remember me?? Long time I don't see ya! What's up? :)
So, any good news fellow EGBers?
Looking good there Cpl. RBK, congratulations on your recent experience level ascension and I am sorry to hear about your loss in Karate because of some lame scoring system. Aside from that, I can't say I am fully of good news and it can probably be summed up with "feels bad, man".
Users will still flag a maliciously coded Flash or one with "shock" content, but aside from that, I don't really see anything being done for stolen or otherwise unsuitable content. As for the saga of the stolen flash mentioned a few posts ago, they are all now resting in a graveyard (last eight Flashes on the list) and the user has not submitted anything since. Special thanks to my man, Wade "OH SNAP" Fulp for helping me in that ordeal.
Take care of yourself.
Good work on the stolen flashes front I wish I was on the flash portal more but I don't check out all the time. Sad and very wrong that stolen flashes pass because of state whores not caring if it is legit or not. About the blam club when did it locked or deleted? I can understand why it was removed totally unfair club. I recall it being mentioned in the past. On games I just got Alan Wake looks not bad time will tell not to keen on Kinect or the motion control thing.
Archer I'm a good shot!
STOLEN GAME
Stolen from:
Pretty obvious one here. The only thing he added was a "copyright" notice.
At 11/15/10 09:28 PM, Ronald-McDonald-LoL wrote: STOLEN GAME
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/55 3730
Stolen from:
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/51 1506
Pretty obvious one here. The only thing he added was a "copyright" notice.
It passed Judgement. I think it is time someone emailed wade with the proof.
He also stole another game, but he deleted it before it passed judgement. The review left on it, in the Obituaries indicates a theft, which was true.
Also, does this
look similar to
this?
Gentlemen, we have a crook.
At 11/15/10 11:08 PM, Ronald-McDonald-LoL wrote: He also stole another game, but he deleted it before it passed judgement. The review left on it, in the Obituaries indicates a theft, which was true.
Also, does this
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/55 3619
look similar to
this?
Gentlemen, we have a crook.
urgh. I'm always too late to catch stolen flash. Did you already PM Wade?
At 11/16/10 10:11 AM, Ronald-McDonald-LoL wrote:At 11/16/10 03:16 AM, TheSongSalad wrote:No, I have not contacted Wade yet. Has anyone else done so?
urgh. I'm always too late to catch stolen flash. Did you already PM Wade?
Disregard this message. I have sent Wade a PM with evidence of the theft. Hopefully this will be taken care of.
Well, back to the portal.
A word to the wise, when it comes to PMing either Wade or Tom, it's always best to PM Tom as he is much quicker to reply or take action than Wade. Sure Wade can handle things in the Portal just as well as Tom, but he rarely sends replies back to us via PM. Why, I have no frickin' clue. :\ At least Tom lets us know the status of our reports.
Hmm, good to see that those flashes are now in the fucking graveyard... :)
Also, I agree w/ Cobra, Tom is way faster than Wade, I have seen this by myself. When I saw a stolen one, PMed Wade, and when I visited the flash's page next day, it was there. When I PMed Tom, he simply deleted... And I said: "Mission acomplished..." :D lol
So, I'm not saying Wade is a fat turtle, just saying that Tom is quicker than our 'stash friend.
Newgrounds should have a smiley w/ a big and Mexican mustache... It'd be SUPER cool.
Well, for this incident, Wade returned my PM within three hours, and the flashes were gone right then and there -- the account that submitted them was gone in about an hour after. Either way, the end result is the same. . . One less thief to worry about.
These Clickteam: Game factory games seem like a cheap way out. I'm just now looking at the website out of curiosity: "The Games Factory 2's stylish new interface allows even the most novice of PC users to navigate and develop games and applications, without any prior programming knowledge."
Oh great. So these are all just templates. The example game they show in the picture I actually saw get submitted yesterday....wow....pretty sure it passed too.
I assume most of these kids are downloading the free demo on the website and just submitting the garbage they make with that, which is why they never have sound, and stuff like score counters and game resets never work right, probably.
These shouldn't even be allowed if it's not even your own work. If Ejay is banned from the audio portal because using sample loops isn't allowed, I don't see how this is any different...
Provided audio loops to make a song.
Provided images and coding to make a game.
Oh whatever...just my thoughts on the issue...
At 11/16/10 11:30 PM, ihatesonic1 wrote: Some guy named Hurricane360 was deleted a few days ago. He had like 4 awards and lots of flashes, does anyone know what he did to get deleted?
Your best bet might be to pm a mod for an answer, unless someone here heard about it, which besides coop83 is highly unlikely.
