At 3/19/10 04:20 PM, TheUnwisePoet wrote: People seem to always say, that atheists are responsible for the Holocaust and shit like that, in fact they were, but so what?

How so?

About The Big Bang... hmm... I don't know, it stills a theory without any confirmed facts,,,

Evolution is a theory as well, but " In fact I accept Evolution".

Theory in scientific terms has a different definition to general theory.

I'm pretty sure Hitler was some twisted version of Christian and his own ideals.

What Hitler believed is debatable, but he used religion as a tool. The SS had belts reading "Gott Mitt Uns" (God is with us) on them. The holocaust was the logical conclusion of centuries of Christian's hate of Jews and other outsiders.

On other notes political, I was a leftist and a liberal even when I was christian. My ideals remained, my faith faded.

At 3/20/10 04:45 AM, JohnnyWang wrote: What Hitler believed is debatable, but he used religion as a tool. The SS had belts reading "Gott Mitt Uns" (God is with us) on them. The holocaust was the logical conclusion of centuries of Christian's hate of Jews and other outsiders.

On other notes political, I was a leftist and a liberal even when I was christian. My ideals remained, my faith faded.

The only thing i don't get is that hitler had brown hair and not his perfect blond Aryan hair.

At 3/27/10 11:29 AM, WhoIsPaul wrote: The only thing i don't get is that hitler had brown hair and not his perfect blond Aryan hair.

Well, most Germans weren't blonde either, but most of them were white and Christian. You could rally them around that flag.

At 3/29/10 03:31 PM, JohnnyWang wrote:

At 3/27/10 11:29 AM, WhoIsPaul wrote: The only thing i don't get is that hitler had brown hair and not his perfect blond Aryan hair.

Well, most Germans weren't blonde either, but most of them were white and Christian. You could rally them around that flag.

True.

HOLY SHIT, HOLY SHIT, HOLY SHIT. One problem with that. Nothing can be 'holy', if there's no god. Which there isn't. Finally, an atheist club. Still, aren't us atheists techniclly still practising a 'religion'? Whatever, religion is stupid, there is/are no god(s),and that's it. Although, I still beilive in Karma.... that's not REALLY a 'god'-thing, is it? More of a 'cosmic force'....

At 3/30/10 10:26 AM, ComedyAddict wrote:

:Still, aren't us atheists techniclly still practising a 'religion'?

No.

At 3/30/10 10:26 AM, ComedyAddict wrote: HOLY SHIT, HOLY SHIT, HOLY SHIT. One problem with that. Nothing can be 'holy', if there's no god. Which there isn't. Finally, an atheist club. Still, aren't us atheists techniclly still practising a 'religion'? Whatever, religion is stupid, there is/are no god(s),and that's it. Although, I still beilive in Karma.... that's not REALLY a 'god'-thing, is it? More of a 'cosmic force'....

The way you speak, saying there is no God, it sounds very certain, how can you be certain? Care to explain?

"There is no God" is a shorter way of saying "The possibility of there being a god is very low, so there's probably not one at all."

Both are entirely different statements, however.

Hitler was either atheist, but more likely agnostic

Mussolini was however definitely atheist, (despite his politically motivated "conversion" to Christianity)

At 3/30/10 11:09 PM, Zoraxe7 wrote: Hitler was either atheist, but more likely agnostic

I trust wikipedia over some guys youtube video

Mussolini was however definitely atheist, (despite his politically motivated "conversion" to Christianity)

Irreligious in his later years, raised Roman Catholic and was atheistic. He also misinterpreted Nietzsche a lot. Funny how a guy who hates nationalists, socialists, and anti-semites becomes the poster boy for them.

Anyway, the point is, the Catholic Church was directly responsible for the blatant anti-semitism in Europe for pretty much thousands of years. So, it became popular to hate and ridicule the Jews and blame them for everything. And like the newest trend it ALWAYS catches on. Religion was a big rather for the murder of 12 million innocent people.

At 3/30/10 11:09 PM, Zoraxe7 wrote: Hitler was either atheist, but more likely agnostic

Mussolini was however definitely atheist, (despite his politically motivated "conversion" to Christianity)

So what if he was? How does that really affect modern Atheists at all. It's not like Hitler or Mussolini came up with the idea, and now everyone is following his word, so I fail to see the point here.

At 3/31/10 05:47 AM, MattTheParanoidKat wrote: Funny how a guy who hates nationalists, socialists, and anti-semites becomes the poster boy for them.

At what point have socialists praised Nietszche in a great deal?

At 3/31/10 11:13 AM, JohnnyWang wrote:

At 3/31/10 05:47 AM, MattTheParanoidKat wrote: Funny how a guy who hates nationalists, socialists, and anti-semites becomes the poster boy for them.

At what point have socialists praised Nietszche in a great deal?

I know its random, but when i first heard about communism, it actually has decent points. Just been used in the wrong way.

ill join
im tired of people saying that im supposed to believe in some kind of god.
it pisses me off

just cos ph0ne doesn't post here doesn't mean this thread has to die

there is almost certainly a God

At 5/26/10 04:21 PM, JesusBukkake wrote: there is almost certainly a God

take away almost

Absolute certainty, whether it be in favor of the existence of god or against it, worries me. It would seem to me that with human knowledge as it is, we cannot really know the answers to "The Big Questions" such as 'what happens to me after I die' or 'What is the origin of matter?' are questions so unfathomably complicated that we should take a more humble view of them. Certainly it's fine to hypothesize and attempt to find the answer, but I can't imagine we will know any time in the near future. So generally, I suppose it's better to take a slightly agnostic approach in that there's no way we can really know for sure.

Patton3 would be correct. As much as I'd love to say "there is no god" I, nor any one can specifically be sure that there is absolutely no god. However, the possibility of the existence of one is so incredibly illogical that we can still rationally assume that there is most likely no god. Which would make me an agnostic atheist.

Unfortunately, we can't disprove a negative. which makes "prove that there is no god" impossible to prove because there is no physical evidence of one. However, we can prove an Idea of god as incorrect.

Let's say that someone believes in a god that is Omniscient and omnipotent (all knowing and all powerful). We can disqualify this as possible due to the fact that these two forces clash. You can not know everything and still be all powerful. Take as an example a being that knows the outcome of something, does it have the ability to change the outcome? if so, then this being didnt really know the outcome if it changed it. So the being doesnt have the power to change an outcome of something it knows the outcome of.

There for the believe of ANY deity that is said to be all powerful and all knowing is therefor a false view of a deity as it is absolutely not possible.

I sure hope I can join you guys.

Well, since it is so illogical and unreasonable to believe that any deities exist, and the chance of one existing is negligible, so we can be pretty sure there is no god.

I am surprised that, in this day and age, we even need to debate these types of things. My advice? Find a baby. Raise the baby so that he learns nothing about religion--for or against it. Teach him to be logical, but also creative and open-minded. When he's 18, hand him a Bible and he'll think it's a fictional story, and if you tell him that billions of people assume it is the truth, he'll laugh in your face.

I am a Catholic and believe in God, but very much respect Atheists and your beliefs, so please do not think that all Catholics are closed-minded homophobic, anti-semitic, insufferable douche bags who think they they are never wrong. I assure you, there are logical Catholics out there, you just have to look in the right places.

I for one think that the name of this thread needs to be changed - atheist's aren't soldiers fighting all who oppose. I think the reason I question religion and faith so much is that like so many, I am unsure of the process of death and it's concurrent events, I am also fearful, to the point where I cower at the thought of death and fall into the Neurosis that Religion will save me and there is a slot in the heavens with my name on it. My atheist nature questions the probability of that though, so I am very torn.

if god were real he would be a kid with a gianst ass ant farm he doesn't have a a plan for us.

@archawn
I think it would be best to raise kids in an agnostic household. Merely take a position of "I'm atheist, but I don't know for sure, and I sure as hell am not going to push any opinion on the matter on you." Also take care that they're not exposed to religion when they're still very young, as young minds are less critical; up too a certain age, kids believe anything an adult says.
Which also brings me to a question I've often thought before; isn't it in essence a form of brain washing to teach kids this stuff when they haven't developed the skills of critical thinking and questioning what they're told? If a kid still believes in Santa, of course he's going to believe Jonah and the whale (pardon me; "Great Fish") is true. If they truly believe that the beliefs they have are true and can be rationalized, why not approach people as adults, as opposed to when they'll absorb anything an adult tells them?
@palpable
The name atheist army is purely for the sake of alliteration.

At 7/14/10 04:15 PM, Archawn wrote: Well, since it is so illogical and unreasonable to believe that any deities exist

Really now?

I would like to join the Atheist Army. As a toddler, my mom would do bible study with her friend, Becky. My mom was an atheist, but I didn't know it at the time. I would always join them, given I was always bored. I somehow read a lot of the Bible, and believed in God at the time. Then I grew up, and thought, "This is retarded! Why the hell did I ever believe this?" My whole family is atheist, except my dad. He has some other belief, not in "god" though. But I want to join this, I am confident there is no god. My brother's, boss', nephew, just died from cancer. He was four. No god of love would ever kill a four year old child. There is nothing he could've done to deserve it. People say, "God works in mysterious ways! It's all a part of the greater plan!" I have to ask. What kind of plan is that? Killing little children, and letting people who believe in you just kill thousands just cause they think you told them to. IF there is a god, I do not want to be in heaven with him. Thus, why I am an atheist!

At 7/14/10 04:46 PM, Scarface wrote: I am a Catholic and believe in God, but very much respect Atheists and your beliefs, so please do not think that all Catholics are closed-minded homophobic, anti-semitic, insufferable douche bags who think they they are never wrong. I assure you, there are logical Catholics out there, you just have to look in the right places.

I've met a few of them. They are out there, no one is denying that. The question remains though, with how many corrupted people out there have taken religious doctrine out of context, or even more terrifyingly IN context and done terrible things and become just overall bad people, whether or not it's anything more than a burden on society holding mankind back from progressing.