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Response to The Atheist Army 2010-10-10 20:34:49 Reply

Oh yeah, I almost forgot. Pro-tip? If you see a religion thread in General, just shake your head and don't even bother. You're more likely to find intelligent discussion at the Special Olympics.

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Response to The Atheist Army 2010-10-11 11:11:03 Reply

At 10/10/10 08:33 PM, michelinman wrote: Oh I'm not denying that. I would say (with generosity being shown towards Christians) that 90% of them I meet, within 5 minutes of talking to them, I just start looking for ways to change the subject because their arguments are baseless, immoral, completely unsupported by any sort of evidence, and downright despicable sometimes. It's funny how many I've met that know less about the bible than I do, and I'm sure everyone here has had that happen a few times as well.

Exactly. It's just hard to have respect for those kinds of theists. I can totally respect intelligent theists, they just seem to be the minority.

I don't consider people who follow religious doctrine Theists. Theism is just a belief in the idea that something created us. It's people who claim to somehow know more than this that are unreasonable. I can reason with people who think "OK, it's a little too coincidental for everything on Earth to coexist as it does without having been designed somehow." It's people who take that idea and somehow prove to themselves in their mind that this designer is actually Yahweh, the God of the Israelites without any evidence to support that connection that agitate me.

I would agree 100%. My parents are actually both theists, but we can have intelligent conversations about it without insulting each other or arguing, and we've done so plenty of times. They have actually done the research and have totally logical thoughts behind their beliefs. I'd consider them both deists though, as a matter of fact, it seems like most Christians I debate seem to fit better in the category of deists, they just don't even realize it.

I would agree to that, but I don't really talk religion with people that don't have an opinion I can respect, and of the people I've talked to that I didn't instantly think "Oh my god, please don't have children," a good percentage of them think this way.

Must be nice. I swear I encounter the most ignorant theists for some reason. I always find the ones who claim to be a Christian and have never read the bible, etc.

On another note, I was listening to one of Joe Rogans stand up shows the other day who, for any of you who don't know, he's really got some very interesting perspectives. I love listening to him. He was talking about how mold has no higher divine purpose. All the mold is there for is to eat the bread. People are self-conscious and feel that there is some master purpose for humans in life, and that is what drives the less stable minded towards religion. No one ever talks about a master purpose for dogs or mold or any other of the organisms on earth. It's just us. Everyone wants to think they're special and unique. Well his idea was that the humans purpose on this one little rock in this fucking massive universe is to fuck shit up. The earth is the sandwich, and we're the mold. That's it. Haha. Definitely an intriguing point of view.

LOL. Sounds like an atheist on youtube I used to follow. Some people just classify these beliefs as more of a nihilist perspective, but honestly, there really isn't any proof that there is any meaning in anything. From a scientific standpoint, we are mold on the bread, and any further belief or theory is interesting, but really has no basis of evidence to support it. It ticks me off when my friends classify atheism as nihilism, and I actually had a friend tell me that atheism meant I worshiped satan.

Just because we can't prove that our existence has some 'greater meaning' doesn't necessarily mean our existence isn't important in itself. I don't understand why most theists can't understand this. Personally, and I KNOW some will disagree which is fine, I look at us as animals. I have no reason to believe that a cricket has a soul or is judged after death, I believe that when it dies, it simply ceases to exist as a conscious being and is recycled within the earth into other elements. I personally believe the exact same thing happens to us and I see no reason to believe otherwise. That's not a nihilist perspective, per se, just seems logical to me without any reason to believe otherwise.

At 10/10/10 08:34 PM, michelinman wrote: Oh yeah, I almost forgot. Pro-tip? If you see a religion thread in General, just shake your head and don't even bother. You're more likely to find intelligent discussion at the Special Olympics.

Hah, yeah I now see that. Thanks =)


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Response to The Atheist Army 2010-11-11 23:32:04 Reply

this looks like my kinda place! I think that religion could be good thing... but we fuck everything up, so we fuck that up too. religion has caused more bad than it has good. eg. holocaust, crusades, muslim bombings, hate crimes, etc. so... yeah.

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Response to The Atheist Army 2010-11-12 00:23:33 Reply

As someone who's not an Atheist but against religion, saying it has caused more harm than good says more about the followers than the religion itself.

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Response to The Atheist Army 2010-11-12 05:51:20 Reply

At 11/12/10 12:23 AM, MultiCanimefan wrote: As someone who's not an Atheist but against religion, saying it has caused more harm than good says more about the followers than the religion itself.

From our perspective though, the followers ARE the religion. When I read about terrible atrocities committed throughout time, for instance the Inquisition, I think to myself "Wow, look at what Christianity caused." That's why you see a lot of Atheists that are very militant about their beliefs. The whole existence of belief in a higher power has caused nothing but tragedy in civilization since the beginning, and it brings nothing good to the table other than making individuals feel more self-fulfilled with their life. That's a good thing, don't get me wrong, it just doesn't even come close to picking up the battered pieces of what's left of religions reputation. It's really a terrible terrible thing, and regardless of whether or not there is a God, mankind would be better off today if blind faith was a virtue that was never taught. I wish the question "What put us here?" had never been asked.

At 10/11/10 11:11 AM, SeeD419 wrote: LOL. Sounds like an atheist on youtube I used to follow. Some people just classify these beliefs as more of a nihilist perspective, but honestly, there really isn't any proof that there is any meaning in anything. From a scientific standpoint, we are mold on the bread, and any further belief or theory is interesting, but really has no basis of evidence to support it. It ticks me off when my friends classify atheism as nihilism, and I actually had a friend tell me that atheism meant I worshiped satan.

My former step-mom wanted to kick me out of my house when I was 12 because I quote "hated Jesus." Haha. She went and looked up the word to see exactly what it was.

Just because we can't prove that our existence has some 'greater meaning' doesn't necessarily mean our existence isn't important in itself. I don't understand why most theists can't understand this. Personally, and I KNOW some will disagree which is fine, I look at us as animals. I have no reason to believe that a cricket has a soul or is judged after death, I believe that when it dies, it simply ceases to exist as a conscious being and is recycled within the earth into other elements. I personally believe the exact same thing happens to us and I see no reason to believe otherwise. That's not a nihilist perspective, per se, just seems logical to me without any reason to believe otherwise.

Most people would respond that humans display morality that these creatures are incapable of. What I find funny about it, especially from a strictly anti-Christian standpoint is the monkeys. The mother fucking monkeys. I've seen studies that show that chimpanzees that steal food or hurt other monkey for no reason tend to be shunned by the culture. If it continues this behavior, then eventually, it will get its brain smashed in with a rock. They also tend to look down on sexual betrayal. This is hysterical to me because in the ten commandments (the law of man straight off the press from god) it says don't steal, don't kill, and don't commit adultery OR everyone is supposed to smash your brain in with a rock. So basically, the 3 commandments most cited as the prime example of how humans were blessed by god with morality were already adhered to in even the most basic of cultures. There's nothing divine about not accepting murder or theft in your society. In closing, I'll leave one of my favorite videos here that kinda smartasses up my logic here. :p Link.

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Response to The Atheist Army 2011-01-22 11:58:50 Reply

I need moderators for this atheism and truth forum I made. Also need someone other than me posting on the damn thing.

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Response to The Atheist Army 2011-05-22 15:40:40 Reply

I received this message from Lumber-Jax12, and I had to share it with you all.

"Millions of people have been killed by atheism, the entire 20th century was fought because of atheism, Stalin and Mao respectively have directly killed more than 90 million people, and where not even counting the nazis.

Hitler was an active member of paganism. An ancient religion that has died out, due to violent beliefs, yet Hitler was a fan of it and at some point even started to convince his SS officers to leave the church, stop baptisms, and he never was married by a minister, it was all civil. The OSS themselves have claimed his next step was the eradication of the Christian churches. He refused to even teach religion in his Hitler Youth program.

Hitler even killed thousands and publicly damned atheists, too. He had no loyalty to anything or anyone but himself. So essentially you have the second greatest genocide committed by an agnostic.
Real bad for religion right? The man was more pagan than anything, and you can't argue that Paganism still counts, its dead and has been years.

It was violent then, and it is violent now, that is why no one preaches it, Sure you can say it has killed thousands and you be right. But to try and target specific, existing religions( E.G. The Abrahamic Religions) and state they have caused only harm is ridiculous.

The last pope was extremely influential in bringing down one of the most repressive and brutal regimes. The head of the state, aka the "Stalin" of the time even stated he helped to do so. One of the most peaceful and helpful cultural revolutions ever designed were lead by holy men, Civil Rights? Hmm lets see that would be none other than REVEREND Martin Luther King Jr. and Mohandas Gandhi or were they brain-dead and brainwashed too?

JFK? A catholic responsible for standing against the USSR's attempt to bring Nuclear Weapons to a radically unstable government, a brain-washed moron who follows the masses? Hardly.

So is religion still some horrible and disgusting ideal used to brainwash the masses, No if anything they have been responsible for the death of a few millions, and the liberation and freedom of some half a billion people in this world.

Why don't you stop making atheists look bad, come up with arguments as to why its your CHOICE, and stop evangelizing this religion based on something you read in a book, by british prick. and let people think what they want too, oh and ps.I always get last word."

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Response to The Atheist Army 2011-05-22 16:01:47 Reply

At 11/12/10 12:23 AM, MultiCanimefan wrote: As someone who's not an Atheist but against religion, saying it has caused more harm than good says more about the followers than the religion itself.

It is the followers. Every religion has is extremists, pussies, and then the ones who follow the religion but have the good sense not to shove their god dicks down your through. I would be more into a religion possibly if someone had an actual true to the matter copy of the original bible, and actually made a proper translation. Even the one we have today isn't that bad, it's a set of guidelines on how you COULD live your life, but because of the hundreds of years of shear stupidness, we have people thinking that every single thing that the bible "Tells" you to do, is absolute law.

I'm agnostic, and i'm good with that, seeing as both Atheist and Religious people tend to be pricks to everyone else but their own little circle of trust. I'll believe in god as long as there are some huge gaps in the theories in the scientific community. No belief is better than another, until people realize this, there will be no peace. And when people do finally realize it, it will probably have been in the final days of humanity.

Also a good question to ask someone who is a bible humper, "Can god create an obstacle that he can't overcome?" and you'll either get a seizure reaction, or something else humorous.

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Response to The Atheist Army 2011-05-24 04:09:29 Reply

kirby femur.. thank you for giving me that piece of juicy info


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Response to The Atheist Army 2011-05-28 19:31:11 Reply

Hey Guys, i'm an Atheist too, and i kinda wanted somewhere that I can fit in. Then i found this!

EarFetish, although you're name's kinda creepy, i love that you've gone to the effort of supporting our beliefs. Thank you!!!
Also, can I join, because i don't know how exactly

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Response to The Atheist Army 2011-05-28 23:02:11 Reply

At 5/22/11 03:40 PM, 1916 wrote: I received this message from Lumber-Jax12, and I had to share it with you all.

"Millions of people have been killed by atheism, the entire 20th century was fought because of atheism, Stalin and Mao respectively have directly killed more than 90 million people, and where not even counting the nazis.

Hitler was an active member of paganism. An ancient religion

"Millions of people have been killed by atheism"

"Hitler was an active member of paganism. An ancient religion"

Classic.


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Response to The Atheist Army 2011-05-29 00:42:23 Reply

At 5/22/11 03:40 PM, 1916 wrote: I received this message from Lumber-Jax12, and I had to share it with you all.

I facepalmed so hard my hand ripped out the back of my skull.
Why do people insist hitler was an atheist yet it's very clear he was christian?


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Response to The Atheist Army 2011-05-29 05:02:14 Reply

At 5/22/11 03:40 PM, 1916 wrote: I received this message from Lumber-Jax12, and I had to share it with you all.

I can top that. This little gem came off my youtube channel:

"Accepting EVIL EVIL-utionism is an example of an open mind that lets rubbish in since it is purely metaphysical and pseudoscience thereby. However, a superior being, God, that created all things requires and open mind that examines the evidence of the created world without being able to witness the creative act or God in%uFEFF action. This requires a belief in God's word which has been handed down by eyewitnesses and his spokespersons."

Before you ask, this isn't a troll. This asshole ACTUALLY believes it.


It's not the lack of crimes that values your morality but your capacity for contrition.

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Response to The Atheist Army 2011-05-29 14:18:51 Reply

I didn't think Jesus could've done it until I saw this thread's resurrection.

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Response to The Atheist Army 2011-05-29 16:47:29 Reply

At 5/29/11 02:18 PM, Earfetish wrote: I didn't think Jesus could've done it until I saw this thread's resurrection.

Haven't you been saying that for about 4 years?


It's not the lack of crimes that values your morality but your capacity for contrition.

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Response to The Atheist Army 2011-05-29 23:48:43 Reply

Since you all seemed to have fun with the first one, here, have a few more. Straight from the head of Lumber-Jax12.

At 5/21/11 7:08 PM, 1916 wrote

No, millions of people have not been killed by atheism, nor have wars been fought because of it. You're a fool, the people were killed, and the wars started, by atheists. Atheists do not kill for atheism because atheism has nothing for which they must kill for. Stalin and Mao are psychopaths first, atheists second.

This is just idiocy, I was going to respond to you whole post, but after reading this I now know you're just as zealous about atheism as you think we are with religion. You are also ignorant if you think any of the major Religion teaches the death of thousands you are mistaken. The catholic church teaches to love one another. "Love your enemies" ring a bell? Ofourse not why would you, its all mind control, Im not responding to your next reply. Your an ignorant and blatant troll.

Even Islam condemns death, but you only buy into what CNN or Dawkins tells you is true, the religion is sound, its all about how people in power use to manipulate the masses. I also think its great you feel that communism isn't atheistic and isn't responsible for the deaths of millions.

Have fun in denial.

At 5 hours ago, 1916 wrote

P.S. I've posted your first message to me in the Atheist Army.

I don't even know or care what that is. Your last post clearly saw how angry and less concise you were.

At 7 hours ago, 1916 wrote:
At 5/22/11 9:29 PM, Lumber-Jax12 wrote:
At 5 hours ago, 1916 wrote: P.S. I've posted your first message to me in the Atheist Army.
I don't even know or care what that is. Your last post clearly saw how angry and less concise you were.
It's a club full of people far more intelligent than you.

O child, I am far from angry. You didn't even give a proper response to the first time, am I expected to continue putting everything out there in hopes you'll stop acting like you're autistic? I don't think so, and you've done it again, you've ignored my entire other post.

hahahha, you mean the same thread where no-on responded to your post.

Classic Macgruber.

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Response to The Atheist Army 2011-05-29 23:52:10 Reply

Fuck, my copypaste failed a bit there. I'm so ashamed, I don't think I can go on...

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Response to The Atheist Army 2011-05-30 00:07:50 Reply

This thread, it's like a flamethrower next to a gasoline company.

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Response to The Atheist Army 2011-05-30 11:16:15 Reply

At 5/29/11 11:48 PM, 1916 wrote: Since you all seemed to have fun with the first one, here, have a few more. Straight from the head of Lumber-Jax12.

I think you two are getting out of hand.


It's not the lack of crimes that values your morality but your capacity for contrition.

Click this and one day I'll be worth bazillions.

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Response to The Atheist Army 2011-06-19 18:06:48 Reply

1916 and Lumberjax are both fucking idiots, don't fucking do that shit and link it back to this thread, grow the fuck up, you're just internet arguing about religion

if you can't post itt sensibly then don't fucking post in it

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Response to The Atheist Army 2011-06-20 13:59:04 Reply

So uh...
Can I join??


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Response to The Atheist Army 2011-06-21 13:25:19 Reply

1916 is now banned from this club.

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Response to The Atheist Army 2011-06-21 13:27:42 Reply

For this whole thread basically but his comment to me was the icing. We really don't need people like that here. I'd much prefer it was a dead thread than it to be full of idiotic flames.

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Response to The Atheist Army 2011-06-21 13:28:44 Reply

At 6/20/11 01:59 PM, thetoker wrote: So uh...
Can I join??

And yes, read the first page.

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Response to The Atheist Army 2011-06-21 15:21:15 Reply

I actually have a friend at school who is a dedicated Christian, and whenever I ask him for proof of god's existence, he waves his arms around, which is to say that he is stating that everything in existence is god's proof. I then go on to ask him "What is your proof that god created this?" and he says "The bible tells me so." He is an extremely irritating person when it comes to religion.


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Response to The Atheist Army 2011-06-21 15:27:53 Reply

The Christian God is right because the Christian holy book says so.

Harry Potter is also right.

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Response to The Atheist Army 2011-06-22 04:59:19 Reply

I tried talking to my christian friend about scientology and other religions how they are linked to homophobia and well..I didn't come out as the victor.


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Response to The Atheist Army 2011-06-22 19:33:58 Reply

At 6/21/11 03:27 PM, Earfetish wrote: The Christian God is right because the Christian holy book says so.

Harry Potter is also right.

I really hope I don't start something that leads to internet arguing techniques and/or trolling, but isn't it circular logic to say that God wrote the Bible, and to use the Bible as evidence for Gods existence?

"How do you know God exists?"
"I would cite the Bible as evidence of that."
"Who wrote the Bible?"
"God."
"..."


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Response to The Atheist Army 2011-06-23 00:03:22 Reply

I consider myself to be agnostic, in the fact that I believe there is SOME sort of God, or whatever you choose to call it, but beyond that, I follow no religion. I believe in evolution, and I don't necessarily believe in the big bang theory, but I think it's plausible. Perhaps God created the universe and just let things take their course, and so the big bang and evolution took place.

I'm not sure what I believe as far as the afterlife. I want to believe that there is one, but I think that is just fear talking. I see no reason for an afterlife to exist, but I see no reason for one to not exist either.

I'm just confused as fuck, I suppose. Just ignore my ramblings, I was just wondering aloud what any of you thought about my beliefs.

If you're curious, I was raised Catholic, but finding my sexuality to be....unsatisfactory to the standards I'm held at......shattered that belief.
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Response to The Atheist Army 2011-06-23 13:43:14 Reply

At 6/23/11 12:03 AM, Scarface wrote: I don't necessarily believe in the big bang theory, but I think it's plausible.

What's wrong with the big bang theory?

As far as maybe beliving in some kind of distant trigger god but not saying he cares about us, well it's pretty far from religion but I don't know why you'd find it necessary to believe that either.

I see no reason for an afterlife to exist, but I see no reason for one to not exist either.

That's pretty fair, but there are quite a few reasons why it wouldn't, If you believe fully in evolution then we're evolved mammals. Where does the line get drawn as to entry for 'the afterlife', whatever this place would consist of? Neanderthal man? Early hominids? Rats? Sea sponges? Carrots?

Another little issue is that we know quite a bit about the brain and death and how, when you die, your braincells die, and if they revive you after a while then every part of 'you' is gone for good and you're basically a body with none of what made you 'you' still there.

We also know that if someone loses the right bit of brain matter then they will lose things like memory (including of loved ones that you allegedly see in the afterlife), or personality, or sense of morality, or creative instinct, or anything that, or maybe a combination of all of them if their brain gets totally fucked over.

What, exactly, goes to the afterlife? It seems like everything that makes me 'me' is hopelessly stuck here in the physical realms, bound to earth, and when I die, I decompose. Along with anything that was in me. Just like a jellyfish.

I'm just confused as fuck, I suppose. Just ignore my ramblings, I was just wondering aloud what any of you thought about my beliefs.

I've no problem with them as far as seeing them as particulaly illogical or harmful to society but I'm sure you came in here to be challenged.

If you're curious, I was raised Catholic, but finding my sexuality to be....unsatisfactory to the standards I'm held at......shattered that belief.

Catholicism I see as particularly illogical and harmful to society.

Can I ask what you mean by this? It's the internet, you may as well tell the entire world why you disengaged with the church.