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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama Oct. 5th, 2012 @ 05:30 AM Reply

At 10/5/12 05:23 AM, Halberd wrote: he who speaks well will lead well

obama articulated himself horribly and i think that is a reflection of his terrible ideas and intelligence.

romney on the other hand is a brilliant speeker and he fucking pwned the shit out of obama seriously. obama doesn't have any idea what he is doing.

He who speakes well will lead you into subservience and economic slavery SHEEP pull your head out of the sand and give your head a shake.


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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama Oct. 5th, 2012 @ 11:59 AM Reply

I see some trends here (i.e. parroting).

First: people are saying that Romney sounded great. He did not. Romney had little goal in his words and failed to say much of anything.

The big thing here was the bar. Romney's bar was 2 inches high and Obama's was 60 inches high. If Romney cleared that 2 inch hurdle by not alienating or insulting a swath of people he won. If Obama failed to clear the hurdle, then he would lose. As both candidates had about an eqaul style, Romney won because of expectations.

Second: Obama is a bad debator. Obama is not a bad debator, he just took a terrible strategy. He didn't want to be the "bad guy" and instead came off as weak and unprepared. Based on the content of the debate alone, Obama won hands down. Yet, that's not how you win debates. Romney created an entirely new set of political positions without providing a signle detail, but did so while looking confident.

Obama made a very bad decision by holding back and allowing Romney to make a comeback. The first debate represented a potential knockout blow but instead it became the beginning of Romney's possible comeback rally.

We'll just have to see if he actually comes to the table with the right strategy next time around.

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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama Oct. 5th, 2012 @ 10:03 PM Reply

We all know who really won the debate. It was Big Bird! Ever since that debate, love for Big Bird has gone sky high! He's the only one that could really be said to have benefited. As for Obama and Romney, this debate doesn't seem to have changed many peoples minds from the look of the poles and reactions to the debate. Too be fair, most people have already made up their minds anyway.


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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama Oct. 6th, 2012 @ 01:19 PM Reply

At 10/4/12 06:40 AM, CaveStoryGrounds wrote: All I saw was Romney flipping around more then a fish on land, and Obama made his points clear with some detail and ignored Romney and spoke directly to the camera/people. I honestly don't understand where people get the idea that Romney "won" the debate. He seemed constantly ski-dish and lied constantly about his policies and seemingly forgot to give those ever so important details. Did Obama stretch some facts? Yes, a little, but it still stands that Romney hopes magically turn the economy around by doing not only the same but go even further then Bush did.

Any educated individual has already made there decision. They can look back and see what a democratic president has done (Bill Clinton) and then they can look at 8 years of a Republican (George W. Bush). Not a difficult decision. Those still undecided are idiots by every sense of the word.

Though, none of this really matters. The voting system is terrible in the US, and both party's are bought and paid for.

Dude, if you can relate anything Romney said, to what Bush did, you either weren't alive for the Bush years, or didn't watch the debate.

If you wanna talk about presidents following in Bush footsteps, Obama's the guy to look at.

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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama Oct. 6th, 2012 @ 06:49 PM Reply

At 10/6/12 01:19 PM, LemonCrush wrote: If you wanna talk about presidents following in Bush footsteps, Obama's the guy to look at.

Are you seriously that stupid?

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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama Oct. 6th, 2012 @ 10:17 PM Reply

At 10/6/12 01:19 PM, LemonCrush wrote: Dude, if you can relate anything Romney said, to what Bush did, you either weren't alive for the Bush years, or didn't watch the debate.

Dude, if you can relate anything Romney said, to what Romney has said/done, you either weren't alive for the last decade, or didn't watch the debate.

It's not very difficult to find a relation between two anti-science, anti-climate change, anti-woman's rights, anti-abortion, anti-american, war-mongering, fear-mongering Republicans. Bush and Romney, the same damn thing.

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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama Oct. 7th, 2012 @ 12:50 AM Reply

At 10/4/12 11:00 PM, naronic wrote:
No you moron, this isn't a personality pageant, why did Romney win the debate?

because Obama....

A. couldn't stand on his own accomplishments because things are still bad. He can't tout Obamacare because a LOT of people do not like Obamacare. When the supreme court decided that Obamacare's fine could only stand as a tax, the Supreme Court's approval rating took a nosedive.

B. couldn't bring up Romney's gaffes without Romney countering with Obama's even worse gaffes. 47%? meh, that's nothing compared to many of Obama's gaffes,

C. Couldn't blame Bush.

D. Couldn't stand on the economy. it's still in the tank and unemployment since February 2009 has only dropped by 0.3% why Feb 2009? well he began his presidency on January 19, 2009
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E. Couldn't say he would stay the course.

D. Couldn't get the questions ahead of time in order to prepare answers. (maybe they'll slip them to him for the next 2 debates... I half expect them to.)

F. He can't brag that he didn't tax middle or lower class people when he did... with Obamacare. the individual mandate fine can only stand as a tax and he's not about to let his legacy die.

The interesting part is that there doesn't seem to be a single non leftist moderator in the debates. surely that has to be to Obama's advantage... then again, without handing Obama the questions to be asked beforehand, it's kind of hard to give him too much of an advantage... Which I'm surprised hasn't happened. Maybe it will. Perhaps the first debate was given to Romney as a way of saying "remember the first debate? Obama simply wasn't prepared."

I fully expect Obama perform FAR better, almost flawlessly as the next 2 debates... almost as if he already knew the questions to be asked.

or maybe not. we'll see.


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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama Oct. 7th, 2012 @ 01:09 AM Reply

At 10/7/12 12:50 AM, Korriken wrote: I fully expect Obama perform FAR better, almost flawlessly as the next 2 debates... almost as if he already knew the questions to be asked.

What's with this new trend of the right applauding any victory by them as good work, btu claiming that ANY positive news for the left is pure collusion?

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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama Oct. 7th, 2012 @ 07:32 AM Reply

Obama has a tendency to choke under pressure.


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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama Oct. 7th, 2012 @ 10:01 AM Reply

At 10/7/12 07:32 AM, TucoM wrote: Obama has a tendency to choke under pressure.

We all would if you had the weight of a crazy ass country on your back.


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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama Oct. 7th, 2012 @ 12:11 PM Reply

At 10/7/12 10:01 AM, leanlifter1 wrote: We all would if you had the weight of a crazy ass country on your back.

I don't see any other president's having an issue with it.

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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama Oct. 7th, 2012 @ 12:12 PM Reply

At 10/6/12 10:17 PM, CaveStoryGrounds wrote:
It's not very difficult to find a relation between two anti-science, anti-climate change, anti-woman's rights, anti-abortion, anti-american, war-mongering, fear-mongering Republicans. Bush and Romney, the same damn thing.

And Obama isn't any of that, right?

Romney is actually a large departure from Bush-bama politics.

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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama Oct. 7th, 2012 @ 01:32 PM Reply

At 10/7/12 01:09 AM, Camarohusky wrote:
What's with this new trend of the right applauding any victory by them as good work, btu claiming that ANY positive news for the left is pure collusion?

not gonna refute the rest of my post?

the people running the presidential debates are humans. with an agenda of their own. the moderators are humans, with an agenda of their own. you don't think someone in the system, with access to the questions to be asked, with a leftist agenda wouldn't think to figure out a way to secretly give Obama the questions that will be answered so that he can prepare his speeches? Given the choice of moderators, I don't think there's many in the system with a right wing agenda.

Despite what others want to believe, Obama is not good at all at thinking on his feet. it's why he lost the debate. It's why when his teleprompter died during a few of his speeches he was lost for words. He also can't fall back on feel good phrases like "hope and change" because it doesn't work anymore and people are no longer wowed by the idea of a black man running for president.


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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama Oct. 7th, 2012 @ 01:44 PM Reply

Clinton cheated on his wife and lied to the country, and basically perverted the position of POTUS. Bush Sr raised taxes, and don't get me started on Carter.

So? Clinton balanced the budget and turned a deficit into a surplus, created over 24 million jobs and got the country back where it needed to be. If he can do that, I honestly couldn't give two shits about his affair with his secretary.


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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama Oct. 7th, 2012 @ 01:47 PM Reply

And Obama isn't any of that, right?

Romney is actually a large departure from Bush-bama politics.

How so? With insane right-wing policies that will ultimately hurt the country and slam us INTO A DEPRESSION and with no idea on HOW he will fix the country, I wouldn't vote for Romney even if he saved my life from a giant, man-eating shark! If I get no disability benefits because he decided to cut them, then he can go fuck himself. I am a young college student right now, and I do not want to lose my state given financial aid. I really want to keep my benefits, thank you, and if he cuts my aid, I am moving to Canada. Besides, my father could be out of work in a couple of months, which will fuck us over even FURTHER! You really want to vote Romney now, you right-wing asshole?


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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama Oct. 7th, 2012 @ 02:03 PM Reply

At 10/7/12 01:52 PM, 24901miles wrote:
At 10/7/12 01:32 PM, Korriken wrote: not gonna refute the rest of my post?

the people running the presidential debates are humans. with an agenda of their own.
It seems like the Republicans point out a lot of conspiracies all year long. BLS conspiracies... media conspiracies... 47% dependency vote-racking conspiracies... this is just from the past week.

But why isn't Obama using this to his advantage! In the next debate, he really needs to call out Romney for the sorry idiot he is.


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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama Oct. 7th, 2012 @ 02:29 PM Reply

At 10/7/12 01:47 PM, HiryuGouki wrote:
And Obama isn't any of that, right?

Romney is actually a large departure from Bush-bama politics.
How so? With insane right-wing policies that will ultimately hurt the country and slam us INTO A DEPRESSION and with no idea on HOW he will fix the country, I wouldn't vote for Romney even if he saved my life from a giant, man-eating shark! If I get no disability benefits because he decided to cut them, then he can go fuck himself. I am a young college student right now, and I do not want to lose my state given financial aid. I really want to keep my benefits, thank you, and if he cuts my aid, I am moving to Canada. Besides, my father could be out of work in a couple of months, which will fuck us over even FURTHER! You really want to vote Romney now, you right-wing asshole?

Actually, in the debate, Romney named exact specific ideas on how to fix the nation. Also, Bush was not a conservative. He was a pro-government, pro-spending liberal just like Obama. romney, not so much. Romney has actually commented several times about limiting government power and control over the citizens and economy. Bush and Obama don't agree with that approach, and it's for those reasons he is nothing like them.

Romney has not wanted to cut disability benefits. As for your education, why not pull yourself up by your bootstraps like King Obama did and get a private loan? Why do you need the government to be your nanny? FWIW, Romney hasn't stated anywhere that he would cut financial aid to anyone. Get a private loan and be your person instead of a slave to the government.

Your father could be out of work in a couple months? Well I guess Obama should be creating legislation that is shutting down his workplace :) How is it Romney's fault your dad is losing his job, and why should the government pick up the tab to take care of you/him at others' expense?

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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama Oct. 7th, 2012 @ 02:32 PM Reply

At 10/7/12 02:03 PM, HiryuGouki wrote:
But why isn't Obama using this to his advantage! In the next debate, he really needs to call out Romney for the sorry idiot he is.

Because Obama can't compete because his logic is flawed and most of his "points" are based on lies.

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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama Oct. 7th, 2012 @ 02:57 PM Reply

At 10/7/12 02:32 PM, LemonCrush wrote:
At 10/7/12 02:03 PM, HiryuGouki wrote:
But why isn't Obama using this to his advantage! In the next debate, he really needs to call out Romney for the sorry idiot he is.
Because Obama can't compete because his logic is flawed and most of his "points" are based on lies.

Only a fool can not see that all politicians semantics are based upon lies seems like you so seems like personal opinion to me.


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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama Oct. 7th, 2012 @ 05:39 PM Reply

At 10/7/12 10:01 AM, leanlifter1 wrote:
At 10/7/12 07:32 AM, TucoM wrote: Obama has a tendency to choke under pressure.
We all would if you had the weight of a crazy ass country on your back.

He wanted that job.


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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama Oct. 7th, 2012 @ 06:55 PM Reply

At 10/7/12 01:47 PM, HiryuGouki wrote:
How so? With insane right-wing policies that will ultimately hurt the country and slam us INTO A DEPRESSION and with no idea on HOW he will fix the country, I wouldn't vote for Romney even if he saved my life from a giant, man-eating shark!

then why in the hell would you ever vote for Obama? His insane left wing politics have kept us IN A RECESSION! and with no idea on HOW the economy works!

If I get no disability benefits because he decided to cut them, then he can go fuck himself. I am a young college student right now, and I do not want to lose my state given financial aid. I really want to keep my benefits, thank you, and if he cuts my aid, I am moving to Canada. Besides, my father could be out of work in a couple of months, which will fuck us over even FURTHER! You really want to vote Romney now, you right-wing asshole?

move to Canada? great idea! Just what Canada needs, another mouth to suckle the sow of "free money". I doubt student aid or disability are going anywhere. College student eh... I think I have diagnosed your problem. you've been brainwashed by your professors. poor little fella...


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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama Oct. 7th, 2012 @ 08:48 PM Reply

At 10/7/12 06:55 PM, Korriken wrote: then why in the hell would you ever vote for Obama? His insane left wing politics have kept us IN A RECESSION! and with no idea on HOW the economy works!

Insane left wing? So let's see what he did, stimulus package, something right wing Republicans supported under Bush. Healthcare? It's pretty much a replica of what Republicans proposed back during the 90's for healthcare reform. Other than that I guess his massive tax cut for Middle class Americans is an insane left wing idea perhaps inspired by the most liberal President ever; Ronald Reagan. Oh so I guess he's Socialist McStalin now.

move to Canada? great idea! Just what Canada needs, another mouth to suckle the sow of "free money".

It's not free money if it's just tax payer money which he donates. It's only free if you're old.

I doubt student aid or disability are going anywhere. College student eh... I think I have diagnosed your problem. you've been brainwashed by your professors. poor little fella...

Funny you mention that, because there is no evidence that professors effect the political views of their students. People who go to universities just tend to be more liberal, and the more prestigious and difficult to get into universities you go to the more liberal they tend to be.


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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama Oct. 7th, 2012 @ 10:50 PM Reply

At 10/7/12 06:55 PM, Korriken wrote: then why in the hell would you ever vote for Obama? His insane left wing politics have kept us IN A RECESSION! and with no idea on HOW the economy works!

Don't tell Korriken, but Obama supports neoliberal economic policies just like Romney, Bush, Clinton, and Reagan.

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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama Oct. 8th, 2012 @ 11:06 AM Reply

Well, I finally went and saw that debate a few days ago, and my thoughts are that I think it went pretty well for Obama. It seems like most people would say Romney was the better man, but I have yet to see any information about how he's gotten more popular because of that. It seemed like Romney was interrupting a lot and Obama was being more polite. Of course, time will tell who gets the presidency.


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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama Oct. 8th, 2012 @ 11:46 AM Reply

At 10/7/12 10:50 PM, Feoric wrote: Don't tell Korriken, but Obama supports neoliberal economic policies just like Romney, Bush, Clinton, and Reagan.

If a political spectrum actually existed, the Republicans would be hanging on one side by a hair and the Democrats would be around center (alongside Obama). The idea that any of Obama's policies are neoliberal is beyond ridiculous and ignorant. Let me put it this way, if Obama had neoliberal policies I would be rooting him on like the polar opposite of one of those tea bagging idiots.

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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama Oct. 8th, 2012 @ 08:09 PM Reply

At 10/8/12 11:46 AM, CaveStoryGrounds wrote:
At 10/7/12 10:50 PM, Feoric wrote: Don't tell Korriken, but Obama supports neoliberal economic policies just like Romney, Bush, Clinton, and Reagan.
If a political spectrum actually existed, the Republicans would be hanging on one side by a hair and the Democrats would be around center (alongside Obama). The idea that any of Obama's policies are neoliberal is beyond ridiculous and ignorant. Let me put it this way, if Obama had neoliberal policies I would be rooting him on like the polar opposite of one of those tea bagging idiots.

Well then I guess I'm about to make you a vicious Obama supporter, because the economic policies crafted by his economic team are absolutely neoliberal. Pre-GFC, Obama's economic advisers were relatively progressive/Keynesian, but during and after the GFC Obama has switched to a more neoliberal and Wall Street friendly crowd once he was in office, most notable Larry Summers and Rahm Emmanuel. Some of the current top economists in the nation are products of the Chicago School, a school of economic thought which has been irrefutably demonstrated to be a catastrophic failure literally every time it has been implemented.

Let's have a look at what this absolute shithead Larry Summers has actually said and done:

The economic logic behind dumping a load of toxic waste in the lowest wage country is impeccable and we should face up to that.... I've always thought that under-populated countries in Africa are vastly underpolluted.

There are no limits to the carrying capacity of the earth that are likely to bind any time in the foreseeable future. There isn't a risk of an apocalypse due to global warming or anything else. The idea that we should put limits on growth because of some natural limit, is a profound error and one that, were it ever to prove influential, would have staggering social costs

Any honest Democrat will admit that we are now all Friedmanites.

He also gave a speech at Harvard claiming that men are naturally better at math so the discrepancy in the women to men ratio in science and engineering has nothing to do with discrimination, but just the fact that men are better and smarter, or something.

This man was the head of the National Economic Council, appointed by Obama himself. The current shithead director of the NEC, Gene Sperling, was instrumental in the dismantling of the Glass-Stegall Act. Which is pretty fucking funny when you consider that Obama himself went on the record saying that he thought the repeal of Glass-Stegall was instrumental to the subprime mortgage disaster in 2007. It's even funnier when you take into account that Sperling was appointed as the director of the NEC in January of last year. Sperling is also Summers' protoge, so it's not like we're getting two people with different ways of thinking, either.

It's also weird that you would be in support of Obama if he was a neoliberal (which he ostensibly is), as if this is somehow a good thing that didn't bring the global economy to it's knees, no siree.

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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama Oct. 9th, 2012 @ 05:39 PM Reply

At 10/5/12 11:59 AM, Camarohusky wrote: I see some trends here (i.e. parroting).

First: people are saying that Romney sounded great. He did not. Romney had little goal in his words and failed to say much of anything.

Go watch the first 10 minutes again :) The first thing out of his mouth was something

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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama Oct. 11th, 2012 @ 10:47 AM Reply

Where is Gary Johnson?


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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama Oct. 11th, 2012 @ 11:00 AM Reply

At 10/8/12 11:06 AM, Ericho wrote: ..., but I have yet to see any information about how he's gotten more popular because of that. ...

For the first time in the race Romney has taken the lead in the RCP average.

In the swing states Romney has closed the gap to make it very competitive. Furthermore, more polls are starting to show him in the lead instead of trailing or tied with Obama.

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The election is not over. We have yet to see how the September jobs report will play out; looking at Rasmussen it may be helping Obama but not enough to allow him more than a 1% lead. Tonight's debate and the remaining two presidential debates will probably determine who wins along with the hearings on Benghazi.


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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama Oct. 11th, 2012 @ 11:42 AM Reply

At 10/11/12 11:00 AM, TheMason wrote: For the first time in the race Romney has taken the lead in the RCP average.

It should be noted; The polls mean nothing. What matters are the polices, what is said and done and not how it is said or done. People have been voted into many political positions while be not only down in the polls but far down.