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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama 2012-10-03 22:47:13 Reply

At 10/3/12 10:42 PM, Light wrote:
At 10/3/12 10:38 PM, Travis wrote:
At 10/3/12 10:38 PM, RightWingGamer wrote: Even ABC agrees that the President got his black ass handed to him. Good to see that things are looking up for Romney.
"RightWingGamer"

No bias whatsoever.
I'm a registered Democrat and a very liberal one at that, and I must agree with RightWingGamer.

Mitt Romney verbally manhandled the president.

I don't thing Romney manhandled anyone, I think he just didn't stutter which was Obama's real problem. I don't know why he wasn't able to form a cohesive thought without interrupting himself, but it was pretty bad.

Romney was very vague, and I don't think you could accurately point to any one thing he would actually do to accomplish anything he said he'd do. And after a debate, if you feel like that, I think you need to seriously question your support for that candidate.

Also, Romney saying he'd fire big bird is honestly going to be the only thing a lot of people remember, and it just hurt his chances with every stay at home mom in this country.


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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama 2012-10-03 22:47:39 Reply

At 10/3/12 10:29 PM, berthon wrote: the moderator sucks, he keeps cutting off Obama and getting cut off by Romney.

I think the difference is Obama let him cut him off. He was trying too hard to be polite and Romney was just going for the jugular.


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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama 2012-10-03 22:55:37 Reply

At 10/3/12 10:49 PM, Travis wrote:
At 10/3/12 10:41 PM, RightWingGamer wrote: Everyone's biased.
Is indifference biased?

We truly are fucked if we think that debating over rhetorical propaganda campaigning is going to make a positive and tangible difference.
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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama 2012-10-03 22:57:00 Reply

At 10/3/12 10:47 PM, Gagsy wrote:
At 10/3/12 10:29 PM, berthon wrote: the moderator sucks, he keeps cutting off Obama and getting cut off by Romney.
I think the difference is Obama let him cut him off. He was trying too hard to be polite and Romney was just going for the jugular.

But as the moderator, he has to say when people are done, and he didn't do that, when he told Mitt to stop he didn't, and because the moderator didn't actually stand up for himself, he let Romney get away with a lot of vauge bull shit.


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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama 2012-10-03 22:57:01 Reply

At 10/3/12 10:38 PM, RightWingGamer wrote: Even ABC agrees that the President got his black ass handed to him. Good to see that things are looking up for Romney.

Romney: IM GOING TO DO THIS AND THIS AND REPEAL THIS AND THIS AND THAT
Moderator: your time is u---
Romney: NO IM NOT FINISHED FUCK YOU! AND IM GOING TO...
Moderator: your time is up sir. Obama take the floor.
Obama: So how are you going to do this?
Romney: uhhh... IM JUST GOING TO DO IT ALRIGHT!


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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama 2012-10-03 22:59:57 Reply


Romney: IM GOING TO DO THIS AND THIS AND REPEAL THIS AND THIS AND THAT
Moderator: your time is u---
Romney: NO IM NOT FINISHED FUCK YOU! AND IM GOING TO...
Moderator: your time is up sir. Obama take the floor.
Obama: So how are you going to do this?
Romney: uhhh... IM JUST GOING TO DO IT ALRIGHT!

ha! that's it in a nutshell.


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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama 2012-10-03 23:01:06 Reply

At 10/3/12 10:57 PM, berthon wrote: But as the moderator, he has to say when people are done, and he didn't do that, when he told Mitt to stop he didn't, and because the moderator didn't actually stand up for himself, he let Romney get away with a lot of vauge bull shit.

I honestly don't know how you could have told Romney to shut up. He was downright rude at points.


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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama 2012-10-03 23:03:12 Reply

Jim Lehrer vs. two really tall guys that think they knows whats' best for 300 million+ people. Yeah, that's going to work out real well. They should just extend the debate time to 2 hours, but only let them know a day ahead of time. Then they would probably fit their comments into the allotted time. That or but digital clocks behind the candidates so when they go over time everyone knows and it looks bad for them.

I remember when I used to debate that you would be seriously penalized if you went over time. They should set it up like that. Any extra time a candidate uses answering one question is subtracted from their following answers, end of story. They also need more muscular moderators that don't care about interrupting the candidates.


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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama 2012-10-03 23:03:13 Reply

On facebook allmy liberal friends are all claiming the victory for obama,

to me this shit was so one sided in terms of clarity, power, and reasonable solutions

romney rock on fucker

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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama 2012-10-03 23:05:09 Reply

At 10/3/12 10:59 PM, berthon wrote:

Romney: IM GOING TO DO THIS AND THIS AND REPEAL THIS AND THIS AND THAT
Moderator: your time is u---
Romney: NO IM NOT FINISHED FUCK YOU! AND IM GOING TO...
Moderator: your time is up sir. Obama take the floor.
Obama: So how are you going to do this?
Romney: uhhh... IM JUST GOING TO DO IT ALRIGHT!
ha! that's it in a nutshell.

Wow, this is pitiful. This forum board is full of Leftists who think Obama didn't get his ass handed to him.
Even Worse! Is then stepping up and saying that the debates don't matter

blah propaganda blah

Bill Clinton & George W. Bush won their Presidency based off of their debates. Romney dominated this debate.

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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama 2012-10-03 23:05:45 Reply

At 10/3/12 11:01 PM, Travis wrote:
At 10/3/12 10:55 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: We truly are fucked if we think that debating over rhetorical propaganda campaigning is going to make a positive and tangible difference.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwIr_dsuyCs&feature=g-user-u

Dude, I understand that corporations and shit lobby the government, but it's my right to say "fuck you" to that guy who made the video and vote because there ARE things that either one of the candidates can do that WILL effect me.

Just because the kooloaid tastes good does not mean it is good for you. Ignorance is bliss to some and death for others.


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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama 2012-10-03 23:09:17 Reply

I actually thought Obama did better in this one.


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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama 2012-10-03 23:09:48 Reply

At 10/3/12 11:05 PM, DawnOfDusk wrote:
blah propaganda blah
George W. Bush won Presidency based off of debates.

Comforting.


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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama 2012-10-03 23:10:45 Reply

At 10/3/12 10:47 PM, Gagsy wrote:
At 10/3/12 10:29 PM, berthon wrote: the moderator sucks, he keeps cutting off Obama and getting cut off by Romney.
I think the difference is Obama let him cut him off. He was trying too hard to be polite and Romney was just going for the jugular.

Did we watch the same debate?

Romney had to fight for more speaking time because Obama ate it all up. Romney relented to the moderator more than Obama.

Overall I think Romney won the debate but he still doesn't really give specifics on how his policies are improvements on Obama's but I think he did a good job hanging with Obama when I figure most people would rather tune out Romney from the get go. I hope that someone makes a clear step forward in my mind/ by the time Debate season is over and the election begins.

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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama 2012-10-03 23:10:49 Reply

At 10/3/12 11:05 PM, DawnOfDusk wrote:
At 10/3/12 10:59 PM, berthon wrote:

Romney: IM GOING TO DO THIS AND THIS AND REPEAL THIS AND THIS AND THAT
Moderator: your time is u---
Romney: NO IM NOT FINISHED FUCK YOU! AND IM GOING TO...
Moderator: your time is up sir. Obama take the floor.
Obama: So how are you going to do this?
Romney: uhhh... IM JUST GOING TO DO IT ALRIGHT!
ha! that's it in a nutshell.
Wow, this is pitiful. This forum board is full of Leftists who think Obama didn't get his ass handed to him.
Even Worse! Is then stepping up and saying that the debates don't matter
blah propaganda blah
Bill Clinton & George W. Bush won their Presidency based off of their debates. Romney dominated this debate.

Bush is a war mongering profiteer not to mention Dick Cheney/Halliburton. Obama won on the premise that he would help fix Bushes many fuck ups as be that as it mayt Obama is working for Wall Streets interests and could give a shit about ending wars so long as the profit keeps rolling in and the debt is on your shoulders not his.


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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama 2012-10-03 23:11:01 Reply

At 10/3/12 11:01 PM, gumOnShoe wrote:
At 10/3/12 10:57 PM, berthon wrote: But as the moderator, he has to say when people are done, and he didn't do that, when he told Mitt to stop he didn't, and because the moderator didn't actually stand up for himself, he let Romney get away with a lot of vauge bull shit.
I honestly don't know how you could have told Romney to shut up. He was downright rude at points.

He was rude, to Obama. And constantly tried to shut him up. He even at one point asked Obama a question, and let Romney answer.


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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama 2012-10-03 23:16:13 Reply

I think that Obama technically lost the debate, though I don't think it matters. Debates are all about style, since the substance is always up for debate and Romney was more fluid in his speak and more confident in his posture and tone. He even yelled down the moderator who knows how many times. Americans respect a certain degree of aggressiveness in their politicians.

That being said, I don't think it matters, because most people didn't watch the whole debate. I am making this prediction now, but it is a fairly easy prediction to make. Most people don't watch the debates and this debate was particularly dull and uninformative, so I imagine a lot of people tuned out. Most people have already decided who they are voting for by now, so it is only the independents that may be influenced. Despite what the polls may say in the next few days a 1-2 point bump will not be a game changer.


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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama 2012-10-03 23:17:29 Reply

At 10/3/12 11:16 PM, CrazyKat wrote: I think that Obama technically lost the debate, though I don't think it matters.
Romney was more fluid in his speak and more confident in his posture and tone. He even yelled down the moderator who knows how many times. Americans respect a certain degree of aggressiveness in their politicians.

Are you seriously using that as ground to winning a debate?


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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama 2012-10-03 23:17:55 Reply

I tried watching the debate with my mom and dad but ended up falling asleep towards the end as Obama and Romney ignored the moderator and did whatever the Hell they wanted. The only really concrete thing I got from all of this was that Romney doesn't like Big Bird and that Obama just wants 5 more goddamn seconds to talk.

#CANTWAITFORTHISSHITTOEND


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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama 2012-10-03 23:18:12 Reply

At 10/3/12 11:11 PM, berthon wrote: He was rude, to Obama. And constantly tried to shut him up. He even at one point asked Obama a question, and let Romney answer.

The next time PBS sends a moderator, it'd better be big bird. Anyone else totally surprised that Romney said he wanted to stop paying for an educational children's show on public tv? How many stay at home moms think less of Romney for that comment alone?


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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama 2012-10-03 23:18:57 Reply

most people didn't watch the whole debate. I am making this prediction now, but it is a fairly easy prediction to make.

True two of the three people I watched it with left half way through because they were way too frustrated with it.


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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama 2012-10-03 23:21:41 Reply

At 10/3/12 11:17 PM, naronic wrote:
At 10/3/12 11:16 PM, CrazyKat wrote: I think that Obama technically lost the debate, though I don't think it matters.
Romney was more fluid in his speak and more confident in his posture and tone. He even yelled down the moderator who knows how many times. Americans respect a certain degree of aggressiveness in their politicians.
Are you seriously using that as ground to winning a debate?

Most of those things are necessary in a debate ...

If someone wants to make an educated vote, they'd have decided already.


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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama 2012-10-03 23:23:13 Reply

I'm not bias at all, but it's safe to say that Romney walked all over Obama tonight. He's a much better speaker and he really has a solid plan that was backed up with extensive knowledge, statistics and reason. Obama's views are way too basic and oversimplified, I almost felt like at some points in the debate he didn't even know what to say. I think it's a good indication of how he's doing as president; he doesn't even really know what to do.

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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama 2012-10-03 23:25:11 Reply

At 10/3/12 11:17 PM, ZJ wrote: I tried watching the debate with my mom and dad but ended up falling asleep towards the end as Obama and Romney ignored the moderator and did whatever the Hell they wanted. The only really concrete thing I got from all of this was that Romney doesn't like Big Bird and that Obama just wants 5 more goddamn seconds to talk.

#CANTWAITFORTHISSHITTOEND

"Obama and Romney ignored the moderator and did whatever the Hell they wanted." A preview of business as usual on;y when the get in power they ignore the people and not some inane "moderator".


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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama 2012-10-03 23:34:26 Reply

At 10/3/12 11:18 PM, gumOnShoe wrote:
The next time PBS sends a moderator, it'd better be big bird. Anyone else totally surprised that Romney said he wanted to stop paying for an educational children's show on public tv? How many stay at home moms think less of Romney for that comment alone?

I 100% agree. Sesame street was a huge part of my childhood, and it should be for all kids. It's not just an educational show, because I know plenty of people who use that show as kind of a secondary school to make sure their kids have the right morals, and are having fun with their learning.


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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama 2012-10-03 23:34:45 Reply

At 10/3/12 11:23 PM, mothballs wrote: I'm not bias at all, but it's safe to say that Romney walked all over Obama tonight. He's a much better speaker and he really has a solid plan that was backed up with extensive knowledge, statistics and reason. Obama's views are way too basic and oversimplified, I almost felt like at some points in the debate he didn't even know what to say. I think it's a good indication of how he's doing as president; he doesn't even really know what to do.

Yeah, I most liked the part where Romney cut the moderator off, vaguely told the audience what they wanted to hear while not being able to articulate his policy to lower taxes without hellishly raising costs for middle class families.


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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama 2012-10-03 23:41:23 Reply

At 10/3/12 11:34 PM, naronic wrote:
At 10/3/12 11:23 PM, mothballs wrote:
Yeah, I most liked the part where Romney cut the moderator off, vaguely told the audience what they wanted to hear while not being able to articulate his policy to lower taxes without hellishly raising costs for middle class families.

Another step to eliminate the middle class good thing he was unable to effectively articulate his rhetoric on that one as the sheep will follow if it sounds good as history has proven time and time again.


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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama 2012-10-03 23:48:12 Reply

I watched the whole debate.

From what I saw, Romney seemed enthusiastic, but sometimes frustrated at points. Obama on the other hand, came off a little nervous due to his stumbling of words, but he was pretty calm when it came to his tone of voice. I felt that Romney did a little bit better than Obama; on debate performance, but it doesn't mean I disagree with everything Obama said.

So, I kinda consider it a mix bag. :/


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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama 2012-10-04 00:10:06 Reply

At 10/3/12 11:23 PM, mothballs wrote: I'm not bias at all, but it's safe to say that Romney walked all over Obama tonight. He's a much better speaker and he really has a solid plan that was backed up with extensive knowledge, statistics and reason. Obama's views are way too basic and oversimplified, I almost felt like at some points in the debate he didn't even know what to say. I think it's a good indication of how he's doing as president; he doesn't even really know what to do.

Wait until they do the fact checking on Romney tomorrow. Oh boy...About 90% of Romney's statements were lies. I'm not going to explain it to you because I am too lazy and it's 12:10 in the morning. Just wait until the news coverage comes, but do NOT watch Fox News.


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Response to Tonight! Debate - Romney/obama 2012-10-04 00:26:52 Reply

At 10/4/12 12:10 AM, HiryuGouki wrote:
Wait until they do the fact checking on Romney tomorrow. Oh boy...About 90% of Romney's statements were lies. I'm not going to explain it to you because I am too lazy and it's 12:10 in the morning. Just wait until the news coverage comes, but do NOT watch Fox News.

I watched the debate on fox news, they didn't filter anything did they?

anyways, the last thing I heard before changing the channel was a reporter saying Obama looked annoyed but Romney kept his cool..... even though Romney kept looking down and up like he had an uncontrollable twitch during Obama's arguments

also, was Obama's statement about the 5 trillion tax cut true?


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