Fuck it. I just bought an Ibanez with a Licensed Floyd Rose for $200! I don't think it's original, though, but I don't care! It's great!

At 8/14/07 05:37 PM, ChocloMan wrote: Booo, whammy bars. Tune-o-Matic ftw.

Almost, except Stoptails and Tele bridges beat Tune-o-Matics.

I don't know what's happening. It seems like I'm getting progressively worse on guitar. Has a period like this ever happened to anyone before?

At 8/15/07 11:14 PM, TheBlackDahliaMurder wrote: I don't know what's happening. It seems like I'm getting progressively worse on guitar. Has a period like this ever happened to anyone before?

All the time. Probably because I was never any good to begin with.

At 8/15/07 11:14 PM, TheBlackDahliaMurder wrote: I don't know what's happening. It seems like I'm getting progressively worse on guitar. Has a period like this ever happened to anyone before?

Yup, my guitar teacher explained it to me once, it is where you are not quite getting to the next level and you are too busy concentrating on getting better at one section than at playing better in general. Or I think that is what he was saying, Russian accents can be hard to understand at times.

The guitar I bought from that guy I didn't know smells like mold and cheap liquor.

At 8/16/07 12:33 AM, Twone wrote: The guitar I bought from that guy I didn't know smells like mold and cheap liquor.

It's been owned by a professional then.

At 8/16/07 12:23 AM, positively-negative wrote: it is where you are not quite getting to the next level and you are too busy concentrating on getting better at one section than at playing better in general.

Yeah, its something like that. Thats happening to me now.

Hey everybody, I haven't posted in the club for a while... but I just broke the head of of my 2,000$ 1960's Gibson Les Paul... so, basically I'm stuck with an acoustic until I can find the 500 bucks to get the wood and the laquer redone, or just replace the neck itself.

Hey, I keep asking a lot of people if they've heard Green Day's new remake of Working Class Hero, and nobody knows what I'm talking about. So basically this is a call to everyone out there to listen. The reason this song amazes me is because Billie Joe actually put a real solo out there for the first time. It's not difficult to play, hell I've only been playing two and a half years and I got it down in an hour, but it's just not his usually drivvle with a few power chords and a 10 second two note solo.

At 8/16/07 06:29 AM, Dre-Man wrote: Hey everybody, I haven't posted in the club for a while... but I just broke the head of of my 2,000$ 1960's Gibson Les Paul... so, basically I'm stuck with an acoustic until I can find the 500 bucks to get the wood and the laquer redone, or just replace the neck itself.

HA! That is revenge for getting an expensive guitar! Or ignoring/not knowing the headstock is a serious weakpoint on almost all Gibsons.

At 8/16/07 06:36 AM, positively-negative wrote:

At 8/16/07 06:29 AM, Dre-Man wrote: Hey everybody, I haven't posted in the club for a while... but I just broke the head of of my 2,000$ 1960's Gibson Les Paul... so, basically I'm stuck with an acoustic until I can find the 500 bucks to get the wood and the laquer redone, or just replace the neck itself.

HA! That is revenge for getting an expensive guitar! Or ignoring/not knowing the headstock is a serious weakpoint on almost all Gibsons.

And why wouldn't I want an expensive guitar? Once you hear the tone from a Gibson Les Paul, tell me whether or not I could get the same from a 400 dollar Epi-phoney. And I know about the headstock being a weakpoint on Gibson guitars, it fell out of its case when I picked it up because the case strap failed to do its job correctly.

At 8/16/07 07:09 AM, Dre-Man wrote: it fell out of its case when I picked it up because the case strap failed to do its job correctly.

Is it a soft case? Because you should really get a hard case.

At 8/16/07 07:09 AM, Dre-Man wrote:

Epi-phoney.

That hurts, mang. :(

At 8/16/07 07:09 AM, Dre-Man wrote: And why wouldn't I want an expensive guitar? Once you hear the tone from a Gibson Les Paul, tell me whether or not I could get the same from a 400 dollar Epi-phoney.

All I can say is the Japanese do it just as well, if not better at half the price, and one can get the same tone out of the Epi's, just fling in a set of Burstbuckers.

And I know about the headstock being a weakpoint on Gibson guitars, it fell out of its case when I picked it up because the case strap failed to do its job correctly.

Okay, it is a very expensive guitar and you don't have a strong case? You are insane. And also your guitar is no longer worth anything near the $2000 you paid for it, even when the headstock is repaired.

At 8/17/07 12:14 AM, positively-negative wrote:

At 8/16/07 07:09 AM, Dre-Man wrote: And why wouldn't I want an expensive guitar? Once you hear the tone from a Gibson Les Paul, tell me whether or not I could get the same from a 400 dollar Epi-phoney.

All I can say is the Japanese do it just as well, if not better at half the price, and one can get the same tone out of the Epi's, just fling in a set of Burstbuckers.

Bullshit dude, the layered wood and the cheap design cheapens the tone no matter what kind of pickups you screw into the frame. And the orientals don't do ANYTHING better when it comes to American craftmanship.

And I know about the headstock being a weakpoint on Gibson guitars, it fell out of its case when I picked it up because the case strap failed to do its job correctly.

Okay, it is a very expensive guitar and you don't have a strong case? You are insane. And also your guitar is no longer worth anything near the $2000 you paid for it, even when the headstock is repaired.

I have a hardbody case, very nice, I simply made a very, VERY stupid mistake when I forgot to strap it down. It's a heavier than most guitar, due to the maple wood used in its making in order to drive out better tones than cheap layered Epishit, so the safeguard strap gave out when the case opened.

I was never planning on selling it in the first place, but thank you Capatain Obvious, for telling me that a guitar's value is depreciated when it gets damaged, I NEVER knew that.

And just a small question before we continue, what ever did start you off on this hate rampage against me?

At 8/17/07 01:24 PM, Dre-Man wrote:

At 8/17/07 12:14 AM, positively-negative wrote:

At 8/16/07 07:09 AM, Dre-Man wrote: And why wouldn't I want an expensive guitar? Once you hear the tone from a Gibson Les Paul, tell me whether or not I could get the same from a 400 dollar Epi-phoney.

All I can say is the Japanese do it just as well, if not better at half the price, and one can get the same tone out of the Epi's, just fling in a set of Burstbuckers.

Bullshit dude, the layered wood and the cheap design cheapens the tone no matter what kind of pickups you screw into the frame. And the orientals don't do ANYTHING better when it comes to American craftmanship.

you are retarted my grandpa had my epi for 40 years, now i have it, and omigosh the most damaged place is a scratch on the side where i dropped it on tile

At 8/17/07 02:56 PM, wisthekiller wrote:

At 8/17/07 01:24 PM, Dre-Man wrote:

All I can say is the Japanese do it just as well, if not better at half the price, and one can get the same tone out of the Epi's, just fling in a set of Burstbuckers.

Bullshit dude, the layered wood and the cheap design cheapens the tone no matter what kind of pickups you screw into the frame. And the orientals don't do ANYTHING better when it comes to American craftmanship.

you are retarted my grandpa had my epi for 40 years, now i have it, and omigosh the most damaged place is a scratch on the side where i dropped it on tile

What does how old or damaged it is have anything to do with the subject of the design being cheaper?

Hard Maple wood > Layered shit wood

its better than the 5 string accoustic reverse flying v bass guitar you wasted your money on

jk that would be a GOOD idea

In my opinion, it's not the guitar that makes the sound, it's the amplifier. I have an Ibanez Xiphos, made entirely of mahogany. This is a VERY nice wood for metal. However, I have a Crate digital amp, and my Xiphos sounds no better than my RG, which is made of basswood. Therefore, you will get a better sound from an Epi connected to an Engl or Marshall than a Gib hooked to some crap Crate amp.

^

The truth. Hence why I love Line 6. As long as you have a decent set of pickups fitted, the PODxt can make ANY guitar sound good.

At 8/18/07 12:20 AM, jarrydn wrote: ^

The truth. Hence why I love Line 6. As long as you have a decent set of pickups fitted, the PODxt can make ANY guitar sound good.

I'm not a fan of Line Spiders to be honest. They give a great distortion, as does my amp, however, I find that they lack the lower end tone. For me, I need a real crushing low, which my amp won't give me unless turned up way too loud. I need a good low even on lower volumes. The mids and highs on my amp are great, just not the lows. The tone lacking is very noticeable while doing triplets. It sounds flat, as pretty much all digital amps do. I need a nice, cheaper tube amp and a metal muff pedal, and I would be set.

At 8/18/07 12:30 AM, TheBlackDahliaMurder wrote:

I'm not a fan of Line Spiders to be honest. They give a great distortion, as does my amp, however, I find that they lack the lower end tone. For me, I need a real crushing low, which my amp won't give me unless turned up way too loud. I need a good low even on lower volumes. The mids and highs on my amp are great, just not the lows. The tone lacking is very noticeable while doing triplets. It sounds flat, as pretty much all digital amps do. I need a nice, cheaper tube amp and a metal muff pedal, and I would be set.

I'm not overly fond of the Spider II amps myself, though the Spider III is pretty crushing.

As for cheap tube amps...check out the Epiphone Vale Jr, or the Peavey equivalent. Both have full tube preamp and output stages, and are both pretty damn affordable. I think they have a maximum output of 5-10 watts, but get pretty loud when run through a 4x12 cab.

At 8/17/07 01:24 PM, Dre-Man wrote: Bullshit dude, the layered wood and the cheap design cheapens the tone no matter what kind of pickups you screw into the frame. And the orientals don't do ANYTHING better when it comes to American craftmanship.

Ahaha! Your Les Paul will be made up of layers too, I would say it would have a two or three piece body, almost all solidbody guitars, expensive and cheap, use layered wood as to make the bodies easier to make. A good set of pick-ups can make a cheap guitar sound like an expensive one for minimal dollars. And on your American > Asian views, all I can say is it was the guitars coming out of Japan in the 1970's that forced the USA makers into having to clean up their act. And my dear old Jap Tele knock off will rip to shit any US Fender of the same era or later than it was built, and play some Lawsuit era guitars before you pass judgement on a Japan vs USA gutair debate, you will be scared.

I have a hardbody case, very nice, I simply made a very, VERY stupid mistake when I forgot to strap it down. It's a heavier than most guitar, due to the maple wood used in its making in order to drive out better tones than cheap layered Epishit, so the safeguard strap gave out when the case opened.

Well, one, Les Pauls are made of Mahogany not maple, except for 70's models where the neck is maple, but the body is still Mahogany. And there have also been on other one off models. And just because a guitar is made of harder wood, doesn't mean it will give a better tone, Pine is a great guitar wood. And the Epiphone founders were building instrument well before those Gibson people, and they were building instruments better than Gibson for many years, up till the point where Gibson took the pussy way out and brought the company.

I was never planning on selling it in the first place, but thank you Capatain Obvious, for telling me that a guitar's value is depreciated when it gets damaged, I NEVER knew that.

Ah, but when the headstock is repaired, it becomes classified as a modified guitar, it loses it status as all original, which drives the value down more. And in odd cases, older guitars with battle scars on them can out-price ones in good condition.

And just a small question before we continue, what ever did start you off on this hate rampage against me?

Well, it probably has something to do with the fact that when you damage it the first thing you put was the price of it, it gave me the sort of feeling that you think your guitar is better because it is expensive, the inner socialist in me got a little pissed off at that.

I never thought I'd live to see the day positively-negative would trash talk US Fenders and Gibson in the same post. :)

At 8/18/07 01:25 AM, TheBlackDahliaMurder wrote: I never thought I'd live to see the day positively-negative would trash talk US Fenders and Gibson in the same post. :)

It's not trash talking, it's error correcting.

At 8/18/07 01:07 AM, positively-negative wrote:

At 8/17/07 01:24 PM, Dre-Man wrote: Bullshit dude, the layered wood and the cheap design cheapens the tone no matter what kind of pickups you screw into the frame. And the orientals don't do ANYTHING better when it comes to American craftmanship.

Ahaha! Your Les Paul will be made up of layers too, I would say it would have a two or three piece body, almost all solidbody guitars, expensive and cheap, use layered wood as to make the bodies easier to make.

Les Paul's are carved, cured, and put together in pieces, that doesn't mean that the body wood is layered, cock magnet. It's solid maple. With Epi's, you get something MUCH, MUCH cheaper.

A good set of pick-ups can make a cheap guitar sound like an expensive one for minimal dollars.

Yeah, you can make it sound a little better, even though the sound will be dry and weak.

And on your American > Asian views, all I can say is it was the guitars coming out of Japan in the 1970's that forced the USA makers into having to clean up their act. And my dear old Jap Tele knock off will rip to shit any US Fender of the same era or later than it was built, and play some Lawsuit era guitars before you pass judgement on a Japan vs USA gutair debate, you will be scared.

I'm not talking about cheap-ass stratocasters, I'm talking real, handmade, down to the lacquer American craftmanship guitars. The real shit. Japs can't top that value no matter what they feed the factory robots.

I have a hardbody case, very nice, I simply made a very, VERY stupid mistake when I forgot to strap it down. It's a heavier than most guitar, due to the maple wood used in its making in order to drive out better tones than cheap layered Epishit, so the safeguard strap gave out when the case opened.

Well, one, Les Pauls are made of Mahogany not maple, except for 70's models where the neck is maple, but the body is still Mahogany. And there have also been on other one off models. And just because a guitar is made of harder wood, doesn't mean it will give a better tone, Pine is a great guitar wood. And the Epiphone founders were building instrument well before those Gibson people, and they were building instruments better than Gibson for many years, up till the point where Gibson took the pussy way out and brought the company.

I have a 60's Les Paul, assmaster. The neck is Mahogany, the body is maple. I think you have it a little backwards.

I was never planning on selling it in the first place, but thank you Capatain Obvious, for telling me that a guitar's value is depreciated when it gets damaged, I NEVER knew that.

Ah, but when the headstock is repaired, it becomes classified as a modified guitar, it loses it status as all original, which drives the value down more. And in odd cases, older guitars with battle scars on them can out-price ones in good condition.

And, as I said, I wasn't planning on selling it. So your point in continuing this was?

And just a small question before we continue, what ever did start you off on this hate rampage against me?

Well, it probably has something to do with the fact that when you damage it the first thing you put was the price of it, it gave me the sort of feeling that you think your guitar is better because it is expensive, the inner socialist in me got a little pissed off at that.

You're right, cheap guitars are SO much better than those expensive ones. That's why they lower the price, better quality, you know? Just like those Volvos, so much better than those Enzo Ferrari's, and you know, who would want to buy a scummy old mansion over a trailer, seriously?

Dumbass.

At 8/18/07 07:42 AM, Dre-Man wrote: You're right, cheap guitars are SO much better than those expensive ones.

In no attempt whatsoever to join the flame war, id just like to say that i played an original mexican strat (i think it was anyway) and it sounded like shit and cost $700, which is why i went for a normal strat that cost $200.

Just a comment, nothing more.

At 8/18/07 07:42 AM, Dre-Man wrote: Les Paul's are carved, cured, and put together in pieces, that doesn't mean that the body wood is layered, cock magnet. It's solid maple. With Epi's, you get something MUCH, MUCH cheaper.

The process of putting the pieces together is called layering, so the body is layered. And okay not all Epis are of the same quality as Gibsons, but if you look at some of the models, they are Gibsons made for those who use their brains instead of just thier wallets. And Les Pauls are not maple, they are mahogany.

Yeah, you can make it sound a little better, even though the sound will be dry and weak.

Well, the pickups actually can make more of a difference than the wood, the body only supplies some of the tone not all of it, and how can a guitar sound dry in the first place?

I'm not talking about cheap-ass stratocasters, I'm talking real, handmade, down to the lacquer American craftmanship guitars. The real shit. Japs can't top that value no matter what they feed the factory robots.

Hey! Don't you go calling my Tele a Strat! That is what I call rude and offensive. And the Jap LPs I am talking about were definatly not made by robots, these were copies of the originals made with so much care and quality that they scared the shit out of Gibson so much that Gibson sued them and forced the companies to stop. And if you think your Les Paul is totally handmade you really must be delusional, many of the parts are assembled by machines, the bodies are assembled with mechanical assistance, and the some of the pick-ups on new ones are made in Asia. Just because it has made in the USA on it doesn't mean all the parts for it was.

I have a 60's Les Paul, assmaster. The neck is Mahogany, the body is maple. I think you have it a little backwards.

What sort of 60's are we talking here? One from the 1960's (if so early or late, which I actually doubt because an early 60's Les Paul for $2000 is like buying a nice Ferrari for the cost of a Squier, ) the cheaper Gibson USA reissue or the Custom Shop one? Because the reissues and early 60s are all full Mahogany made, and the late 60's ones had the neck made from 3 pieces of maple and had a maple top put on the body.

And, as I said, I wasn't planning on selling it. So your point in continuing this was?

I dunno, just felt like it really.

You're right, cheap guitars are SO much better than those expensive ones. That's why they lower the price, better quality, you know? Just like those Volvos, so much better than those Enzo Ferrari's, and you know, who would want to buy a scummy old mansion over a trailer, seriously?

Well the higher the price doesn't mean the better the quality either. And at least the Volvo and the Trailers aren't show off pile of shits. And I would rather keep my cheap guitars with their unknown names, because well, they are guitars made for those who like to have a nice guitar for playing, not for showing off a brand name.

Dumbass.

Great last words there my friend.

At 8/18/07 08:26 AM, positively-negative wrote:

At 8/18/07 07:42 AM, Dre-Man wrote: Les Paul's are carved, cured, and put together in pieces, that doesn't mean that the body wood is layered, cock magnet. It's solid maple. With Epi's, you get something MUCH, MUCH cheaper.

The process of putting the pieces together is called layering, so the body is layered.

Haha! Man you are so fucking stupid, let me try to drive this into your thick skull one last time, layered wood is NOT the same thing as gluing several pieces of SOLID wood frame together. LAYERED WOOD is not the same thing, LAYERED WOOD is not solid wood, it's LAYERED, do we know what layered means, or do I have to explain that to you as well?

And okay not all Epis are of the same quality as Gibsons,

Correction: no Epis are of the same quality of Gibsons, they're a cheap korean remake. Checkmate, bitch.

but if you look at some of the models, they are Gibsons made for those who use their brains instead of just thier wallets. And Les Pauls are not maple, they are mahogany.

You're thinking of an SG. SG's have mahogany bodies, Les Paul's, or at least MY Les Paul has a solid maple body. Unless of course the purhcase reciept is lying. But I think I'll trust the reciept over you just this one time, mmkay?

Yeah, you can make it sound a little better, even though the sound will be dry and weak.

Well, the pickups actually can make more of a difference than the wood, the body only supplies some of the tone not all of it, and how can a guitar sound dry in the first place?

More of a difference, not all of a difference, why don't we consult Mr. Les Paul on the construction of guitars, shall we? I mean, he's only one of the greatest inventors, pioneers, and utilizers of electric guitars and effects in history. I hear there's a charming number of articles about him all over the internet, check one out, will you?

I'm not talking about cheap-ass stratocasters, I'm talking real, handmade, down to the lacquer American craftmanship guitars. The real shit. Japs can't top that value no matter what they feed the factory robots.

Hey! Don't you go calling my Tele a Strat! That is what I call rude and offensive. And the Jap LPs I am talking about were definatly not made by robots, these were copies of the originals made with so much care and quality that they scared the shit out of Gibson so much that Gibson sued them and forced the companies to stop. And if you think your Les Paul is totally handmade you really must be delusional, many of the parts are assembled by machines, the bodies are assembled with mechanical assistance, and the some of the pick-ups on new ones are made in Asia. Just because it has made in the USA on it doesn't mean all the parts for it was.

I'm so very sorry I insulted your sweat-shop tele... And uh, yes, my Les Paul was handmade, trying to overrule to purchase reciept again are we? Well, maybe Gibson is lying to me, or you're just a flaming dumbass, hmmm... let's put that on a scale.

And, as I said, I wasn't planning on selling it. So your point in continuing this was?

I dunno, just felt like it really.

You're right, cheap guitars are SO much better than those expensive ones. That's why they lower the price, better quality, you know? Just like those Volvos, so much better than those Enzo Ferrari's, and you know, who would want to buy a scummy old mansion over a trailer, seriously?

Well the higher the price doesn't mean the better the quality either. And at least the Volvo and the Trailers aren't show off pile of shits. And I would rather keep my cheap guitars with their unknown names, because well, they are guitars made for those who like to have a nice guitar for playing, not for showing off a brand name.

I have two guitars, one's an authentic spanish handmade classic acoustic that I bought for about 250 Euro, and the other is my Gibson 1960's Les Paul that I bought for about 2 grand. I play them both all of the time. I take care of them the best I can, and the fact that a tragic accident such as the headstock breaking is pretty much a pointer to you that I don't let them sit around for too long. I'm pretty much obsessed with music theory, and music in general. And I tend to spend a lot of time indulging in it. I think that makes it pretty clear I'm not a collector, I'm not someone who purchases shit to have it sit in a vacuum room for 50 years so that I can sell it later on for a few thousand dollars more.

Now, tell me why having a nice guitar to cherish and enjoy, simply because it's expensive makes me a snob? Because I play guitar and study music all the time, why not buy expensive equipment if I'm going to use it and enjoy it?

At 8/18/07 11:03 AM, Dre-Man wrote: Haha! Man you are so fucking stupid, let me try to drive this into your thick skull one last time, layered wood is NOT the same thing as gluing several pieces of SOLID wood frame together. LAYERED WOOD is not the same thing, LAYERED WOOD is not solid wood, it's LAYERED, do we know what layered means, or do I have to explain that to you as well?

You've had many occasions to describe layered wood and if you're right it would've proved you victorious in part of this little kerfuffle.
The fact you haven't makes me think that you don't know yourself.
And naturally, you're going to be defensive of your guitar... imagine spending two grand on something and realising that you could've just spend 500 or something :D.