At 8/24/09 03:25 AM, Sammyboy269 wrote:

Somehow, you could tell that was going to happen.

Well, it wasn't really that much of a secret, especially knowing me XD

Anyway, my newest... Thanks to my friend for giving me this wild idea... Teacher dragoness XD
Glad I could draw my oldest pin-up girl as well...

That looks familiar.
http://i25.tinypic.com/2ns9hd4.jpg

At 8/29/09 08:23 AM, LongLongCat wrote: That looks familiar.
http://i25.tinypic.com/2ns9hd4.jpg

... Wow, people are fast to draw crap based on this :/

At 8/29/09 01:21 PM, Fatchaos wrote:

At 8/29/09 08:23 AM, LongLongCat wrote: That looks familiar.
http://i25.tinypic.com/2ns9hd4.jpg

... Wow, people are fast to draw crap based on this :/

is that a dig on yourself?

At 8/29/09 02:18 PM, sucho wrote:

At 8/29/09 01:21 PM, Fatchaos wrote:

At 8/29/09 08:23 AM, LongLongCat wrote: That looks familiar.
http://i25.tinypic.com/2ns9hd4.jpg

... Wow, people are fast to draw crap based on this :/

is that a dig on yourself?

Nah, no it isn't. You think my work is crappy & easy to draw?
Tsk tsk tsk. I feel almost insulted!

At 8/30/09 01:41 PM, Fatchaos wrote: Nah, no it isn't. You think my work is crappy & easy to draw?
Tsk tsk tsk. I feel almost insulted!

It is crappy and easy to draw. Easy to draw, as in, it would probably take time, but it's very simple as far as perspective, colouring, etc. goes.

Also, fucking gross.

Also also, is it just me or do the Art Forum rules state "Only use adult content in highly artistic or hilarious situations. We don't want this to be a hentai gallery"?

At 8/30/09 02:49 PM, idiot-monarch wrote:

At 8/30/09 01:41 PM, Fatchaos wrote: Nah, no it isn't. You think my work is crappy & easy to draw?
Tsk tsk tsk. I feel almost insulted!

It is crappy and easy to draw. Easy to draw, as in, it would probably take time, but it's very simple as far as perspective, colouring, etc. goes.

Also, fucking gross.

Also also, is it just me or do the Art Forum rules state "Only use adult content in highly artistic or hilarious situations. We don't want this to be a hentai gallery"?

Are you quite finished?

Hell, I'm not using any complex poses & perspectives, true. But I also never use any reference, either. But I suppose a masterartist like yourself knows what true art is. No... wait...

Gross? Hahah, I do not intent do please everyone in the first place! You should already know that. But I do not need people to tell me that, especially immature people who fail to look at my work in a more objective way.

It is just you. I would have been kicked out of here a long time ago if I wasn't obeying the rules. But, yet, here I am! I have the deepest respect in obeying the rules (one of the reasons I apply censorship to my works). Sure, my art has... more or less sexual content, but it is either, as you stated yourself "highly artistic" or "hilarious". YOUR opinion about if my art is not "highly artistic" plays no role here.

But, I thank you, little one, for pointing out nothing of importance or interest to anyone in here ^^

At 8/30/09 01:41 PM, Fatchaos wrote:

At 8/29/09 02:18 PM, sucho wrote:

At 8/29/09 01:21 PM, Fatchaos wrote:

At 8/29/09 08:23 AM, LongLongCat wrote: That looks familiar.
http://i25.tinypic.com/2ns9hd4.jpg

... Wow, people are fast to draw crap based on this :/

is that a dig on yourself?

Nah, no it isn't. You think my work is crappy & easy to draw?
Tsk tsk tsk. I feel almost insulted!

thats only an insult if you think the other image your basing your opinion off of is crap. :P

*Touch thread*
*Look around*
*Go back to BBS*

At 8/30/09 05:29 PM, Fatchaos wrote: But, I thank you, little one, for pointing out nothing of importance or interest to anyone in here ^^

It's of interest to me.

Not that your art is shit, though it still seems cartoony and amateur in my opinion, but this dragon stuff gets shit boring. Even yiff artists have some variety by illustrating different animals now and again, but God, you can be mildly amused by one page of this thread, but after that you'd better not hope for anything new or interesting. I can tell the improvement from when you started but YAWN

I do like your stuff, but there's getting to be too much porn and not enough purpose, I know there must be a lot more to the Dragon people than just rubbing one out on a silk bed. I like your more spiritual / emotional pieces like Cleansing rain, or Green waters rather than the erotic / pornographic ones. Do you think you can make some more comics or something? Maybe establish your more-prominent characters and the world around them?

At 9/4/09 09:59 AM, TheDaveAngle wrote: I do like your stuff, but there's getting to be too much porn and not enough purpose, I know there must be a lot more to the Dragon people than just rubbing one out on a silk bed. I like your more spiritual / emotional pieces like Cleansing rain, or Green waters rather than the erotic / pornographic ones. Do you think you can make some more comics or something? Maybe establish your more-prominent characters and the world around them?

Well... truth be told, I am aware of that slight problem... I tend to get carried away very easily, and well, damn, I guess there's no real excuse for that.

Well, after this next comic page is done, which, unfortunately (and not surprisingly) will contain, well, adult stuff, I am thinking about moving to more meaningful pictures for now again, since you are right, I want to show more of my more "deep" characters, that actually have a storyline.

And well, to all of you who do not like dragons, then I'm sorry, but this is mostly what I do, I know it's VERY one sided stuff, but well... That's what I do. Perhaps I can get a wider variety sooner or later (like taking a part in the Doubles Showdown 7!)

At 8/30/09 05:29 PM, Fatchaos wrote:

At 8/30/09 02:49 PM, idiot-monarch wrote:

At 8/30/09 01:41 PM, Fatchaos wrote: Nah, no it isn't. You think my work is crappy & easy to draw?
Tsk tsk tsk. I feel almost insulted!

It is crappy and easy to draw. Easy to draw, as in, it would probably take time, but it's very simple as far as perspective, colouring, etc. goes.

Also, fucking gross.

Also also, is it just me or do the Art Forum rules state "Only use adult content in highly artistic or hilarious situations. We don't want this to be a hentai gallery"?

Are you quite finished?

Hell, I'm not using any complex poses & perspectives, true. But I also never use any reference, either. But I suppose a masterartist like yourself knows what true art is. No... wait...

Gross? Hahah, I do not intent do please everyone in the first place! You should already know that. But I do not need people to tell me that, especially immature people who fail to look at my work in a more objective way.

It is just you. I would have been kicked out of here a long time ago if I wasn't obeying the rules. But, yet, here I am! I have the deepest respect in obeying the rules (one of the reasons I apply censorship to my works). Sure, my art has... more or less sexual content, but it is either, as you stated yourself "highly artistic" or "hilarious". YOUR opinion about if my art is not "highly artistic" plays no role here.

But, I thank you, little one, for pointing out nothing of importance or interest to anyone in here ^^

Oh it is a fine night for a rant...

Well, for one, most would define highly artistic as conveying a little bit of emotion into other places other than your dick. I mean, this is basically internet pornography dubbed with horribly drawn dragons, there's no artistic statement in any of these.

There's nothing else going on other than the body, it's not art, it's pornography, a shallow excuse for art. Your anatomy is terrible, I don't care if you don't use reference, look at a god-damned person and look at how they work, the anatomy's so bad when I look at something on here I honestly get confused, it's a fucking clutter.

You need to look at people, step 1. You also need to advance beyond dragon porn, nobody will ever take you seriously, you also need to have some substance behind the things you make, make a statement, make me think, all your making me think of right now is "wow, here's a fucked up fetishist who can't draw"

Oh it is a fine night for a rant...

Oh joy, I was beginning to worry NG had turned into a softie!

Well, for one, most would define highly artistic as conveying a little bit of emotion into other places other than your dick. I mean, this is basically internet pornography dubbed with horribly drawn dragons, there's no artistic statement in any of these.

Hmmm, that's a question of opinion, you either like sensually drawn anthropomorphic dragons or not. Most do not. If you do not like them, then do not come to my thread.

There's nothing else going on other than the body, it's not art, it's pornography, a shallow excuse for art. Your anatomy is terrible, I don't care if you don't use reference, look at a god-damned person and look at how they work, the anatomy's so bad when I look at something on here I honestly get confused, it's a fucking clutter.

Poor anatomy? Give me an example, little one. Why is it wrong? Or did you just decide it is "wrong"? I sure have issues with anatomy, but I know it is not terrible anymore. I just don't want to use reference, and YOU cannot force me to use them. It's like cheating to me (a little).

You need to look at people, step 1. You also need to advance beyond dragon porn, nobody will ever take you seriously, you also need to have some substance behind the things you make, make a statement, make me think, all your making me think of right now is "wow, here's a fucked up fetishist who can't draw"

I do not really give a damn if people take me seriously or not, I've long ago accepted the fact that this is not the way most people walk, and I will find people who hate me for just what I do, without any proper reasons. Maybe, just maybe, I want people to think myself as a "Fucked up fetishist"... I ENJOY it. But to that last statement of yours I won't agree, little one.

Alright, since most people are beginning to forget one thing, let me say it out clear again.

If you have nothing else in your mind but to come here and mock me, save yourself the time and effort and do not post anything. I couldn't care less about your opinions what is right and what is wrong. I am NOT asking you to like my art, I am asking you to provide CONSTRUCTIVE criticism if you wish to comment. If you do not have the maturity to provide it, then Get. The. ****. Out.

Ok? ^^

At 9/5/09 11:47 AM, Fatchaos wrote:

If you have nothing else in your mind but to come here and mock me, save yourself the time and effort and do not post anything. I couldn't care less about your opinions what is right and what is wrong. I am NOT asking you to like my art, I am asking you to provide CONSTRUCTIVE criticism if you wish to comment. If you do not have the maturity to provide it, then Get. The. ****. Out.

well, this is an art thread, and becoming an artist is about getting out of your comfort zone, expanding your horizon, and learning how to further your skills. if this as far as you want to get, in both subject and technique, thats your call and its totally fine, but keep in mind that's not what people expect in art threads.

also using a reference isn't cheating at all, at least not cheating your progress. how can you learn to draw anything without knowing first what you're trying to draw? art schools would be out of business if it worked that way. now granted there arent any lusty, busty, humanoid dragons everywhere, but you can study the composites for one. my iphoto is practically all photos and snippets that inspire me and help me remember what something looks like, from crop circles to snake scales under a microscope. it all helps in the long run, and no one will think its cheating unless you're tracing.

At 9/5/09 11:47 AM, Fatchaos wrote: I do not really give a damn if people take me seriously or not, I've long ago accepted the fact that this is not the way most people walk, and I will find people who hate me for just what I do, without any proper reasons. little one.

You speak of your illustrations as if they were your relegion- why is this? "Oh, people don't accept me because I draw dragon porn but I don't care ITS MY LIFE LEAVE ME ALONE I LOVE DOING WHAT I DO STOP JUDGING ME!!!"
-It's not like your art is on THAT big a scale as to be defended so, with worrying enthusiasm.

Also, stop calling people 'little one' for simply bashing your stuff a bit. As if your views are Godly and anyone with a view differing yours is a fucking moron? I mean, your opinions, on your own work or other's, aren't law. People are free to disagree and should not be put down as a result therof. You should in fact thank them for being honest.

I'm not bashing you because others are, It's just my thought. No malice intended.

At 9/5/09 11:47 AM, Fatchaos wrote: If you have nothing else in your mind but to come here and mock me, save yourself the time and effort and do not post anything. I couldn't care less about your opinions what is right and what is wrong. I am NOT asking you to like my art, I am asking you to provide CONSTRUCTIVE criticism if you wish to comment. If you do not have the maturity to provide it, then Get. The. ****. Out.

constructive
Adjective
1. useful and helpful: constructive criticism

How was Glassbomb not constructive in his comment? Because he didn't shower you in praise for your self-indulging, fetishist, supbar drawing?

I'm guessing constructive criticism is "OMG awesome so hot ^__^" in your opinion, right?

And i agree with Joe that it's kinda strange how you go to such ends to defend your stuff, and call everyone who doesn't like it a stupid 'little one'.

I really hope we get teamed up in the Doubles Showdown.

look its his art and he takes time and space to come up with it. so what if he likes drawing naked dragons, its way better than most of the stupid shit on NG. if you truly dont like his art just say "its not my sort of thing" or "i think this sucks", dont be ranting on about how disgusting it is or how perverted it is because thats what he's trying to create. yes its pornography but a lot of people consider a SPECIFIC type of pornography as art. what people don't understand is that you need to respect all types of art good and bad. art is when a person takes their ideas and puts out for people to see. why shouldn't this be art, because its perverted? because it's gross? because the anatomy is wrong? (which of course it's going to be wrong it's a fucking naked dragon what'd you expect?) no this is art and for people who can't see that don't deserve the right to call themselves artist or even critics. i admire fatachos because he took a fetish and he put it on paper which is hard to do and i applaud your attempt at showing people that there's more than one way to make art, even though yours is a bit pervy, it is still considered art.

fatchaos, you say that you want "constructive criticism" but whenever someone gives you decent advice you throw a fit, claiming they're discriminating against your fetish

what's the deal? unwilling to accept that you can't draw anything other than dragon pornography? or have you become complacent, enjoying the endless praise you receive from users unwilling to seem "oppressive" by telling you the truth: your art sucks.

use reference. draw from life. study color theory and composition. and above all else, stop making excuses for not leaving your comfort zone.

At 9/5/09 04:53 PM, TheSilentWolf wrote: look its his art and he takes time and space to come up with it. so what if he likes drawing naked dragons, its way better than most of the stupid shit on NG. if you truly dont like his art just say "its not my sort of thing" or "i think this sucks", dont be ranting on about how disgusting it is or how perverted it is because thats what he's trying to create.

except... no

The fact that he drew pornographic dragons was a small part of my criticism, he needs to work on his anatomy and get out of his comfort zone...

Ah, how I enjoy this bombardment ^^

Now... where should I begin?

Ok, let's try this.
I always welcome criticism, it's merely the fact that most of the time, the comments I get are either "you're awesome" or "you sick, perverted ****". You get the idea ^^
I find both types quite useless, but of course, who wouldn't like praises?
And I certainly do not hate anyone who dislikes my work, I hate you when you hate ME. Hating & disliking are two completely different things.

And no, I am not using the "I'm not using any reference" as an excuse, you got me all wrong there. I just point that fact out, and it's just a small opinion of mine that reference is kinda like cheating, but I then again, I should use it more, myself, for I know, that it is, after all, important. Hell, I can't really say why I dislike using reference.

But yes, I cannot disagree with the fact that I do work inside my own little comfort zone. True, I do. I rarely do something different. I guess I should do more, well, different kind of stuff, yes. Guess I lack some motivation, or that I am so fond on my little comfort zone that I refuse to leave it.
Too bad some of us have no time or money to go to fancy art schools ^^

And please, it's not that I can't draw anything else, that would be absurd XD

Well, I have a feeling the Doubles Showdown 7 will prove to be my chance to prove it. And well... I really would prefer working with someone else than thee, idiot-monarch, BUT, if fate decides that we work together, then we shall, and I will put my effort in it.

PS. When I use the term "little one", I really have no intention of making myself look superior, I just like to use it. Don't get all butthurt XD

At 9/5/09 08:58 PM, Fatchaos wrote: Ah, how I enjoy this bombardment ^^

Now... where should I begin?

Ok, let's try this.
I always welcome criticism, it's merely the fact that most of the time, the comments I get are either "you're awesome" or "you sick, perverted ****". You get the idea ^^

Except that most of the recent posts HAVE been constructive, yet you put them in the second category, just because people admit that your art is shit.

I find both types quite useless, but of course, who wouldn't like praises?
And I certainly do not hate anyone who dislikes my work, I hate you when you hate ME. Hating & disliking are two completely different things.

And no, I am not using the "I'm not using any reference" as an excuse, you got me all wrong there. I just point that fact out, and it's just a small opinion of mine that reference is kinda like cheating, but I then again, I should use it more, myself, for I know, that it is, after all, important. Hell, I can't really say why I dislike using reference.

Because it would reveal the problems in your cherished work?

Look, using reference is absolutely necessary to learn ANYTHING. You may think that you, for example, have a good sense of anatomy, but when you start drawing people IRL, you realize how wrong you were (btw, I'm not referring to you specifically, but to aspiring artists in general).

But yes, I cannot disagree with the fact that I do work inside my own little comfort zone. True, I do. I rarely do something different. I guess I should do more, well, different kind of stuff, yes. Guess I lack some motivation, or that I am so fond on my little comfort zone that I refuse to leave it.
Too bad some of us have no time or money to go to fancy art schools ^^

'LITTLE comfort zone' is an understatement. Do you realize that the last time you drew a human was on page 26? And I gotta tell you, looking at that human, it becomes clear how little you really know about drawing.

And the art school thing is just absurd. Honetsly, I bet that not half of the Art Forum regs have gone to art school (well ok, I go to a sorta after school activity art school), but really, all we did in art school in the first year was still lifes. Non stop. Learning coloring and composition in painting class, learning proportion, perspective and 'realism' in drawing class.

And now, in the third year, we are starting to draw people.

Honestly, all you need is a pencil, a sketchbook, a couple of household objects to put together for a still life, Posemaniacs, and motivation.

Then just go to a park or supermarket and do super fast sketches of passers-by.

And please, it's not that I can't draw anything else, that would be absurd XD

Well, I have a feeling the Doubles Showdown 7 will prove to be my chance to prove it. And well... I really would prefer working with someone else than thee, idiot-monarch, BUT, if fate decides that we work together, then we shall, and I will put my effort in it.

I'm glad you aren't being a whiny bitch about it. I don't mind working with you as long as you don't find a way to somehow mix lizards into our work.

PS. When I use the term "little one", I really have no intention of making myself look superior, I just like to use it. Don't get all butthurt XD

Then it's interesting how you use it only when talking to naysayers.

Except that most of the recent posts HAVE been constructive, yet you put them in the second category, just because people admit that your art is shit.

I guess that's true, I tend to get very defensive easily, thanks to the flaming I've had in the past...

Look, using reference is absolutely necessary to learn ANYTHING. You may think that you, for example, have a good sense of anatomy, but when you start drawing people IRL, you realize how wrong you were (btw, I'm not referring to you specifically, but to aspiring artists in general).

I never said I have a good sense of anatomy. I just said it's not terrible, either XD

'LITTLE comfort zone' is an understatement. Do you realize that the last time you drew a human was on page 26? And I gotta tell you, looking at that human, it becomes clear how little you really know about drawing.

Yes, I am aware, and I know it didn't look that fancy. One of the reasons I haven't done it more, I suck at faces so much it's unreal. Next time I draw a face, I will, sure as hell, use reference.

And the art school thing is just absurd. Honetsly, I bet that not half of the Art Forum regs have gone to art school (well ok, I go to a sorta after school activity art school), but really, all we did in art school in the first year was still lifes. Non stop. Learning coloring and composition in painting class, learning proportion, perspective and 'realism' in drawing class.

This wasn't directed to everyone in general, some people just tend to go on about how one should go to art schools & such.

Honestly, all you need is a pencil, a sketchbook, a couple of household objects to put together for a still life, Posemaniacs, and motivation.

I guess... We'll see...

Then just go to a park or supermarket and do super fast sketches of passers-by.

That wouldd be creepy, but I guess it suits me.

I'm glad you aren't being a whiny bitch about it. I don't mind working with you as long as you don't find a way to somehow mix lizards into our work.

We are, after all, mature people, aren't we? ^^
And no, I won't mix lizards into it. Why would I? That's not the point of the project XD

Then it's interesting how you use it only when talking to naysayers.

It's interesting because people get provoked about it, and it amuses me ^^

Also, damn for the goddamn attack on art portal... I need to get scouted again XD
Unless it fixes itself, that is.

At 9/6/09 01:59 PM, CypressDahlia wrote: Let him draw what he wants.

In the end, it's Fatchaos who decides if he expands as an artist or not. You can try to guide him. But if he's so vehemently against the idea of improving, there is no point in pushing it. In direct address to the artist; you do realize that your constituents consist of people who either 1.) are trying to slowly and unsuccessfully inspire you to expand and improve or 2.) just get off to any kind of cartoon porn they can find. So it's really kind of a losing situation you're in... You may think you have the respect of the artists, but what you have is the respect of the general Newgrounds populace. If you take a good look at the Art Portal, you'll realize that that's absolutely worthless. Just a lot of kids who like to jack off to drawings.

No, the impact has already been made, and I do know that my variety in art has been more or less... well, non-existent. That's why I have decided a couple of things: To try out more veriety of stuff, including... landscapes (and well, just generally talking about "places"! I hate drawing them, but at the same time, I really like them ^^ As for pronz (yes, I said it)... I will keep drawing it, but I won't be arsed posting it to the forums for a while, not because I'm angry or anything, but because perhaps you do not wish to see it. I will post it on the portal, though >:) But overall, I will do something different next (after this one project that I'm currently working on...), like the Doubles Showdown 7.

What happened to your armored/clothed lizard people anyway? If anything, I enjoyed the armor designs...

Nothing, haven't been drawing them lately. I will, though. I love drawing armor.

Just take the note here that I'm low on time these days, so this might take a while. But then again, landscapes & scenery & such are something I can draw during daytime >;)

At 9/6/09 01:59 PM, CypressDahlia wrote: Let him draw what he wants.

In the end, it's Fatchaos who decides if he expands as an artist or not. You can try to guide him. But if he's so vehemently against the idea of improving, there is no point in pushing it.

zzz.

Of course he can draw what he wants. But When people don't like what they see, they are gonna say something. Just like gay people. People know they can legally be gay if they want, but people often express how they feel about this in very negative manners ragardless. No-ones gonna shut it just because it's a more or less free world, there will always be someone willing to shout their disagreement from the rooftops. Therefore, your words, however logical, are in vain.

Anyway, no-ones really attempting to dictate him, but trying to convince to expand a bit. No harm in trying, right? There's always a chance one's words won't fall on deaf ears.

Sorry for goinng on about this. I'm done.

At 9/6/09 07:26 PM, CypressDahlia wrote: You's a bastard and I can draw anime.

You's a tit and I don't like you.

Yay, next comic page! My suspicions were right. *Hint hint*.

At 9/15/09 04:21 AM, Sammyboy269 wrote: Yay, next comic page! My suspicions were right. *Hint hint*.

I won't be posting it on the forums, however... situation being a little... sensitive on this thread as it is.
But like I promised, I will try something different next (after I'm done with the Doubles Showdown 7... can't get arsed to color it yet, but I have plenty of time later, and LOTS of time during the weekend if it goes to that!)

Maybe I even try lineless art... ^^

*sigh*

Artblock, oh yeah ^^;

Well, luckily I might know the means to counter that. So yeah, I'll be doing 1 request. ONE (for now.). Oh, and it cannot be anthro (yes, you heard right. I just told you NOT to tell me to do anthro!), because I did promise to do something new.

First come, first served. Unless I really dislike the idea >;)
Oh, and it might take awesomely lot of time for me to actually do it, I'm kinda short on time right now in general.

At 9/23/09 03:34 AM, Fatchaos wrote: Non-anthro request thingy

I don't think I've ever seen you draw a female human yet. Would you be willing to draw one of my female characters? I'll let you decide which one, just to be fair.