At 11/4/07 01:18 PM, Zoraxe7 wrote:

At 11/2/07 08:27 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

At 11/2/07 06:40 PM, Zoraxe7 wrote:
Relligion is not harming the world ass hat.

Just one example : Stem Cell research.

You know, there are secular reasins for opposing stem cell research too.

So taking already dead animals and using them to cure illnesses is unethical? And yes, humans are animals, so really... it's no different than using a chicken or a rat.

At 11/4/07 10:44 PM, OPIUMSKUM wrote:

At 11/4/07 01:18 PM, Zoraxe7 wrote:

At 11/2/07 08:27 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

At 11/2/07 06:40 PM, Zoraxe7 wrote:
Relligion is not harming the world ass hat.

Just one example : Stem Cell research.

You know, there are secular reasins for opposing stem cell research too.

So taking already dead animals and using them to cure illnesses is unethical? And yes, humans are animals, so really... it's no different than using a chicken or a rat.

How many animals do we kill each year to eat and survive? In some cases, people need this research for saving lives, ergo, in my view, it's no different then any other animal using other animals to survive. Only this time, it's our own species, but hey, why not bury them in the ground? They'll just end up rotting and getting eaten by worms, but i guess that's better then saving someone who's already alive, right?

At 11/4/07 10:46 PM, OPIUMSKUM wrote:

At 11/4/07 10:44 PM, OPIUMSKUM wrote:

At 11/4/07 01:18 PM, Zoraxe7 wrote:

At 11/2/07 08:27 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

At 11/2/07 06:40 PM, Zoraxe7 wrote:

but i guess that's better then saving someone who's already alive, right?

edit: someone who's *actually* alive, my bad, typo.

I just find religion so fucking hypocritical!!! THou shall not kill!!!Then in fine print: Unless the person you kill happens to worship a different invisible avenger than yourself in which case its 100% kosher!!! MORE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED IN THE NAME OF GOD THAN IN THE NAME OF ANYONE ELSE!!!!! Its kinda like saying "you shouldn't but i dont really, like, care... yeahhhh...". Jeez its ridiculous!!! Anyways thats why i am an atheist and want in on this crew.

At 11/4/07 03:29 PM, Zoraxe7 wrote:
Im pro stem cell research, but there has got to be a limit of what we should do, I dont what to turn abortian clinics into high profit fetus harvesters where people make money off of abortians.

It doesn't work like that, buddy.

At 11/4/07 11:11 PM, ntrokel wrote: I just find religion so fucking hypocritical!!! THou shall not kill!!!Then in fine print: Unless the person you kill happens to worship a different invisible avenger than yourself in which case its 100% kosher!!!

lol. just no. They're absolutes, and people have a choice to follow. You're thinking of the old testament.

MORE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED IN THE NAME OF GOD THAN IN THE NAME OF ANYONE ELSE!!!!!

Wrong. And you shouldn't be blaming the Religion because of what individual people have one, or historical events. That'd be like saying:
"Hey, Jamie from Mythbusters is an Atheist does that mean that all Atheists spend their days busting myths??"
You blame the individuals for what they've done. Not what they think they're doing for their beliefs. Even if those beliefs tell them to do (what society considers) unethical or immoral, not everyone will follow it.

Whoops.

At 11/5/07 09:09 AM, Brick-top wrote: You should blame the individuals, not the Religion they are adhered to. Even if those beliefs tell them to do (what society considers) unethical or immoral, not everyone will follow it.

At 11/5/07 09:09 AM, Brick-top wrote: You blame the individuals for what they've done. Not what they think they're doing for their beliefs. Even if those beliefs tell them to do (what society considers) unethical or immoral, not everyone will follow it.

I really think it's fair to say 'religion is a dangerous and harmful ideology that causes damage to the world'. Like Soviet Socialism. Everyone shouting out 'glory to Allah' before blowing themselves up is underlining that point.

Suicide bombers aren't evil or selfish, either; they're actually willing to kill themselves, and it's their ideological beliefs that make it so.

Most religious people are fine, but while the ideology exists, unnecessary suffering will happen.

MORE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED IN THE NAME OF GOD THAN IN THE NAME OF ANYONE ELSE!!!!!

Wrong. And you shouldn't be blaming the Religion because of what individual people have one, or historical events.

Well if you think about it even if religion hasn't been the main cause of a lot of wars it has been a factor for sure. Examples: The spanish armada, Spain= Extremely catholic England= Anglican ( Henry VIII saying IM POPE NOW HAHAHAHA!!). The Iraq war: Theyre terrorists!!! They caused 9-11!!! And theyre muslims!!! A Trifecta!!! Plus when you look a thing where religion did directly cause conflict: the crusades, the holocaust, Darfur, ANcient Romans crucifying christians... The list goes on.

At 11/5/07 06:41 PM, ntrokel wrote:

MORE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED IN THE NAME OF GOD THAN IN THE NAME OF ANYONE ELSE!!!!!

Wrong. And you shouldn't be blaming the Religion because of what individual people have one, or historical events.

Well if you think about it even if religion hasn't been the main cause of a lot of wars it has been a factor for sure. Examples: The spanish armada, Spain= Extremely catholic England= Anglican ( Henry VIII saying IM POPE NOW HAHAHAHA!!). The Iraq war: Theyre terrorists!!! They caused 9-11!!! And theyre muslims!!! A Trifecta!!! Plus when you look a thing where religion did directly cause conflict: the crusades, the holocaust, Darfur, ANcient Romans crucifying christians... The list goes on.

You see, there's the problem. What religion is included in the 'death count'? Are you including the dead religions, the religions that have a certain amount of followers? And what are you comparing it to? All the other deaths in the world for the past 1000, 2000, 3000 4000, etc years? And are you only using the wars, or using wars and every day people?

Studying a death count for something in general is very difficult.

Which is why I think you should judge and blame people for their own decisions and choices.

You see, there's the problem. What religion is included in the 'death count'? Are you including the dead religions, the religions that have a certain amount of followers? And what are you comparing it to? All the other deaths in the world for the past 1000, 2000, 3000 4000, etc years? And are you only using the wars, or using wars and every day people?

Studying a death count for something in general is very difficult.

Which is why I think you should judge and blame people for their own decisions and choices.

All Im trying to say is that over the centuries religion has been a catalyst for many mass killings if not the creator of those mass killings

At 11/5/07 08:55 PM, ntrokel wrote:
All Im trying to say is that over the centuries religion has been a catalyst for many mass killings if not the creator of those mass killings

And this is supposed to be in the defence of religion?

At 11/7/07 12:45 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

At 11/5/07 08:55 PM, ntrokel wrote:
All Im trying to say is that over the centuries religion has been a catalyst for many mass killings if not the creator of those mass killings

And this is supposed to be in the defence of religion?

HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS. Sorry, ntrokel, didn't realise who you were.

At 11/5/07 08:55 PM, ntrokel wrote:

Which is why I think you should judge and blame people for their own decisions and choices.

All Im trying to say is that over the centuries religion has been a catalyst for many mass killings if not the creator of those mass killings

Whatever man, I'm not going to get into a bitch fest with you.

lol bump

bRICK-TOP, WOULD i BE ACCURATE IN MY OBSERVATIONS THAT YOU HAVE LOST YOUR AVIDNESS AS AN

Brick-top, would my observation of you losing your avidness as an atheist be accurate

;_;

At 11/9/07 01:43 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote: last post

Jesus christ, I couldn't have fucked that up more if I'd tried :P

At 11/9/07 01:44 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

At 11/9/07 01:43 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote: last post

Jesus christ, I couldn't have fucked that up more if I'd tried :P

Indeed. lol

Lost my avidness? Possibly. If you asked me questions than a year ago I'd make sure my point is heard, but now I've stopped caring.

I'm not saying I'm going to stop being an Atheist. I will still aggressively defend the basic principles of Atheism if insulted or attacked, but me nor even you can change the opinions of others. So I can't see the point in debating or even petty arguing. Which probably explains why I rarely go to politics where as when I signed up I never left it.

At 11/9/07 02:51 PM, Brick-top wrote: Lost my avidness? Possibly. If you asked me questions less than a year ago I'd make sure my point is heard, but now I've stopped caring.

Fuxed.

Fuxed? Oh wiat!

lol

At 11/9/07 02:51 PM, Brick-top wrote:

At 11/9/07 01:44 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

At 11/9/07 01:43 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote: last post

Jesus christ, I couldn't have fucked that up more if I'd tried :P

Indeed. lol

Lost my avidness? Possibly. If you asked me questions than a year ago I'd make sure my point is heard, but now I've stopped caring.

I'm not saying I'm going to stop being an Atheist. I will still aggressively defend the basic principles of Atheism if insulted or attacked, but me nor even you can change the opinions of others. So I can't see the point in debating or even petty arguing. Which probably explains why I rarely go to politics where as when I signed up I never left it.

Hes right you know. Arguing with religious people is so goddamn tireing. I just dont bother that much anymore. Its everyting happens because god says so. Stop. I say 'prove it' they say there doesnt need to be proof and it ends up going in a gigantic circle. But I wont stay away from polictics though! There may be no hope for religious fanatics but there is a little hope for republicans!

At 11/9/07 02:51 PM, Brick-top wrote:

So I can't see the point in debating or even petty arguing.

That's okay then, brother. I thought something awful had happened such as you had found Jesus.
Really though, you raise some valid points, and I myself am beginning to pull back on how passionately I fritter away time trying to convince the already retarded Christian population of NG that Noah's ark isn't plausible.

Really, talking amongst atheists here, the main point I'd like to get across is that religion isn't a positive force for the world; I think that's the whole crux of the argument, ie that it's not harmless, it's a bad force.

A society that was a rational secular democracy would be really really good. We've already all agreed on the last part, so lets get to agreeing on the other two.

At 11/9/07 08:38 PM, Earfetish wrote: Really, talking amongst atheists here, the main point I'd like to get across is that religion isn't a positive force for the world;

What specifically would you say are the main problems or negative effects it causes?

Mind you, I agree entirely, I'm just curious as to what you consider the most significant things.

At 11/10/07 01:46 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

At 11/9/07 08:38 PM, Earfetish wrote: Really, talking amongst atheists here, the main point I'd like to get across is that religion isn't a positive force for the world;

What specifically would you say are the main problems or negative effects it causes?

Mind you, I agree entirely, I'm just curious as to what you consider the most significant things.

I'd say that the #1 thing that religion has done that has had a negative effect on the world is that it makes cultures hate one another. Religion has been the basis of culture hate since roman times. The Romans killed Christians because they were chrisitans. The christians killed Jews because they were jews. And now the islamists kill anyone who is not muslim.

At 11/10/07 01:46 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote: What specifically would you say are the main problems or negative effects it causes?

Mind you, I agree entirely, I'm just curious as to what you consider the most significant things.

The worst thing is segregation, or a segregation of people based on something bogus. Then it's how it's anti-freedom, like anti-free speech, anti-abortion, anti-gay, and then it's how it's anti-science.

The whole philosophy I don't like either, of there being this guy who's loads more important than you and you should kill or die for him.

ok half that stuff i didnt even understand
do you have I.Qs of mor e than 10? coz if u do then u will have 2 make me understand by speaking in 1 syllable words :p

i'd like to join anyway
my reason
i think that religion is the cause of to much war and violence
that has probly been said like 99999999999999 times but im just reinstating the point

im not personaly against religion (crucify the christian etc.) but i dont want to join any religion that much coz of three things:
1) i quite often have to work overtime on holy days (sunday nd days lyk tht) but i do get christmas nd easter off lyk every1 else but quite often during ramadan i work extra time coz of things about religious stuff in a coffee shop i dont understand most of em
2) i used to get bullied by some religious kids when i was younger so tht kinda put me off
3) if im christian i dont want to get stabbed by a muslin or vice versa (im not saying muslin or christian ppl are violent im just usin these 2 religions as an example)
jeez ive spent ages sayin this stuff nd now sum is gonna quote me sayin y everythin i just sed is wrong :p

At 11/10/07 03:32 PM, iloveritalin wrote:

3) if im christian i dont want to get stabbed by a muslin or vice versa (im not saying muslin or christian ppl are violent im just usin these 2 religions as an example)

oops i meant 2 say muslim i think my fingers are broken...
i need to take them back to the shop and get replacements :p

The biggest thing I don't get about religion is, why does god need his arse kissed so much?

He is always banging on about how great and powerful he is, and how he is truly the only one without sin, so he obviously knows this.
But then he demands we humans continually tell him how great his is, but what for? Creating the earth? Because if he is truly omnipotent then doing so would only take a click of the fingers, which is nothing to be commended for, let alone worshipped.

Anybody seen Zeitgeist?
o.o

At 11/11/07 01:55 PM, AtheisticNihilist wrote: Anybody seen Zeitgeist?
o.o

I stopped watching it and lost all respect when it started about 9/11

At 11/11/07 02:15 PM, Earfetish wrote:

At 11/11/07 01:55 PM, AtheisticNihilist wrote: Anybody seen Zeitgeist?
o.o

I stopped watching it and lost all respect when it started about 9/11

Yeah I don't really have a say on that one, but my favorite part is the 1st one.
The other 2 are more political..