At 3/25/05 11:03 AM, FoxyJ9 wrote:
You are ignorant.

Lol, you. Yeah.93326914

Read this review and what Jeff Weise says back to him.

Reviewed by: FoxyJ9

Overall Score: 5
Umm... ok. Was that like a warning message? Hmm dude you need help badly.

Regret's response:
Lol, you obviously can't tell the difference between Fantasy and reality. This cartoon was made for nothing more than Random violence, and believe it or not theres an audience out there that this appeals to. So don't try judging my Mental health based upon a simple animation, capisce?

Pretty interesting.

if everybody lived out the flashes they made by GOD! (thinks of Bity of Brakenwood)

what is interesting in target practice is that the killer kills himself at the end, i haven't seen a ton of flash but out of the violent flash on NG do you know any other one where the killer kills himself(not by accident)?

just an afterthought

i wanna say this so theres no confusion, it wasnt gun control that caused any of this. i heard somewhere that he killed his grandfather and he was a cop, so he also stole his gun and truck.
also, if the media dares come down on NG, foxy might just be the one to save it, because that shows there ARE normal OK people here.. and it shows that he wasnt trying to call out for help, he even gave us an "lol".
its more shocking to me to read the reviews and see the people who say stuff "to the author" because the dont know anything about all this. someone even asked to do a collab with him in a review, and yes it was after he had done the shooting.

I love the suggestions put up here to help stop the violence on NG. Get the FBI after kids who make them, charge membership to verfiy age, etc.
If I am not mistaken, NG was put in place to showcase flash and make full use of our rights to freedom of speech. The tragedy wouldn't have changed if Jeff Weise's flash wasn't allowed to be seen by the public. In fact, the flash may have prevented him from carrying out any of his plans, even if for a little while. It is too bad that these people died, and though people saying that thousands die everyday and this is no big thing, it is a big thing. The second we start marginalizing and ignoring, is the second these events get worse. Violence has been, and unfortunately always will be a part of society and I don't believe that NG helps or hinders that fact. If the media portrays this site as the root of our children's problems, maybe they should take a look in the mirror. Who do you think portrays violence, and often mystifies or romanticizes it. The world is full of hypocrites. NG doesn't require flash submitters to have a set amount of violence, or limit the amount either, and that is the beauty of the site. It is what we make it, and the NG staff tries to keep things running smoothly. That's my rant, take it or leave it.

Leave it. it wouldve happened if it wasnt seen. He had problems at he let them loose. Take or leave that

At 3/25/05 01:59 PM, DrifterX2k4 wrote: Leave it. it wouldve happened if it wasnt seen. He had problems at he let them loose. Take or leave that

well i have screwed myself since i didnt read all of that last post.dont hurt me >.>

On Jeff's submissions it says that they are there as historical documents. If this is really the case, then the voting bar for those submissions should be removed. If they really are historical documents, then it shouldnt matter what the vote is.
The point is people keep voting low on the entries just because of who the author is, and what the author did.

I think there will obviously be a lot of hype about this. I think the main thing to remember is this is a very good animation, graphically. The boy had talent in my opinion and its a shame he had problems in his life that made him do these horrible things. Possibly if someone in his life and nurtured these skills he could of gone on to live and full and happy life. To suggest this cartoon should have given anyone a sign to what he was going to do is moronic. Western media is full of violence and especially gun violence. In the animation he is seen shooting what appears to be a member of the KKK so it is not as though there are any indications of hate towards a minority which is surprising due to the link between him and nazism. This is obviously a horrendous thing that has happened however for certain people a brilliant opportunity to blame the media and control everybody more. Look a cartoon such as Tom and Jerry, not much difference really and to suggest newgrounds have something to do with this is ridiculous. I hope anybody else that feels the way Jeff did can speak out and get help before another tragedy like this happens, perhaps relaxed gun laws are to blame as apposed to cartoons.

So you're comercializing a tragedie because there are more people visiting Newgrounds? sick.

I think there will obviously be a lot of hype about this. I think the main thing to remember is this is a very good animation, graphically. The boy had talent in my opinion and its a shame he had problems in his life that made him do these horrible things. Possibly if someone in his life and nurtured these skills he could of gone on to live and full and happy life. To suggest this cartoon should have given anyone a sign to what he was going to do is moronic. Western media is full of violence and especially gun violence. In the animation he is seen shooting what appears to be a member of the KKK so it is not as though there are any indications of hate towards a minority which is surprising due to the link between him and nazism. This is obviously a horrendous thing that has happened however for certain people a brilliant opportunity to blame the media and control everybody more. Look a cartoon such as Tom and Jerry, not much difference really and to suggest newgrounds have something to do with this is ridiculous. I hope anybody else that feels the way Jeff did can speak out and get help before another tragedy like this happens, perhaps relaxed gun laws are to blame as apposed to cartoons.

At 3/24/05 07:13 PM, WadeFulp wrote: After much debate we have decided to feature Jeff Weise's Flash entry, Target Practice on our front page. Now that the media is reporting Newgrounds.com as the site where Jeff posted his Flash entries we have had an increase in traffic. These visitors are heavily searching out Jeff's work so we have decided to make it easier for them to find. This will hopefully help alleviate the strain they are putting on our database server caused by their searches.

Jeff submitted these entries back in October of 2004. If you don't know who Jeff Weise is, pick up a US newspaper or check out this online article.

I understand some of the reasons that motivates you to put this on front page, but I still can't understant how you can do this. This guy's story is a real tragedy, it's pretty sick to put his animation on the front page because people are even sickier and want to see it, especially when it's a 30 seconds of pure free violence. On a moral point of view, I can't believe you promote this kind of content.

I guess you have a different point of view, you said you debated about putting it there or not, but have you really thought about the impression your choice gives? 'Cause from the way you've done it, it almost looked like newgrounds was "proud" of possessing this animation and was wanting everyone to see it. Do you truly want newgrounds to be flaggued as a violence's heaven where the kids get brainwashed with animations like this one, coming from someone who actually did what he has done in his movie? It's exactly what the medias will think, and so will do the population.

I think these movies should be deleted, for moral and newground's sakes.

At 3/25/05 02:42 PM, -Myst- wrote: I understand some of the reasons that motivates you to put this on front page, but I still can't understant how you can do this. This guy's story is a real tragedy, it's pretty sick to put his animation on the front page because people are even sickier and want to see it, especially when it's a 30 seconds of pure free violence. On a moral point of view, I can't believe you promote this kind of content.

Steve said it somewhere else - if people want to view it, they'll find it. The guys' NG username was posted on The Smoking Gun (and reposted on Fark, as well as other mainstream news sites) ages ago. Putting it on the front page just facilitates their finding it.

I think these movies should be deleted, for moral and newground's sakes.

Do you also think they should delete Livecorpse's movies?

At 3/25/05 02:42 PM, -Myst- wrote: I think these movies should be deleted, for moral and newground's sakes.

Screw morals. They're too ambiguous anyway. And Newgrounds is a place to showcase your art, so I don't see why they should deleted Weise's just because he was secretly very evil.

this cartoon does not promote hate in my opinion so i dont see why it should be deleted. If michael jackson is found guilty should we burn his music? should it be illegal to view it? i mean thats like 30 years of art. It is horrible what happened and people have to take responsibility for their actions so i am not making excuses for jeff im just saying i didnt know him, did you? i cant say why he did it but it was probably because he was very sick or because of the way he was raised. It may have been because he is 'evil' however i think thats just a bit of an easy way out for people to blame societies problems on an escape goat. There was probably a number of reasons for him doing this its a bit easy to blame it on the music he listens to or the cartoons he made. if the media want to have a go at newgerounds why shouldnt they defend themselves by showing them exactly what he made and how the website works.

Perhaps Wade you should add to the red writing note you put on the flash if they want to bitch about him as a person rather than "review" the flash they should post it in the JEff Weise thread in the BBS and provide a link, that way we dont have 1000 reviews saying you suck burn in hell with Hitler.

Im curious, has NG had an increase in the number of people signing up in the last few days?

I love how people write the reviews like they expect him to see them and get upset by them. Although one review was "does this mean no replies to reviews?".

He shot a cop or two and stabbed someone I think, although none died, its still comparable, since people take shooting at cops seriously.

Im guessing NG is gonna have a hard time finding non-porn ads for a while now.

It is a horrible tragedy, to be sure, and the fact that his talent as an animator was wasted is a much lesser shame than the lives that were taken, including his own.

This kind of thing is much more personal than the thousands of people who die every day due to disease, famine, war and disaster. To suggest that a tragedy like this should be ignored because the number of casualties is so much lower strikes me as cold-hearted. We should be trying to understand the motivations and circumstances leading to these horrible acts, so that they may be prevented from happening more often.

That said, I hope that the media attention payed to this flash and to Newgrounds will not deter future submissions on the grounds that the author is fearful of being investigated. Flash media is art and censorship is the death of art.

-Kraig

At 3/25/05 02:53 PM, jonthomson wrote: Steve said it somewhere else - if people want to view it, they'll find it. The guys' NG username was posted on The Smoking Gun (and reposted on Fark, as well as other mainstream news sites) ages ago. Putting it on the front page just facilitates their finding it.

Exactly, but my point is we actually SHOULDN'T faciliate it.

Do you also think they should delete Livecorpse's movies?

No, there's a difference between violence and reality, it's only when they come together that we have to stop it, as it's the case of what we're currently debating about. This is a cheap argument, you know there's a huge difference between both authors.

At 3/25/05 02:56 PM, Earfetish wrote: Screw morals. They're too ambiguous anyway. And Newgrounds is a place to showcase your art, so I don't see why they should deleted Weise's just because he was secretly very evil.

The point is not to take all the violent content out of newgrounds, but to take out the submissions of someone who actually killed innocent people and himself. It only shows that newgrounds has absolutely no respect for the victims of the tragedy.

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Listen, what I'm mostly worried about in this whole situation, is that newgrounds gives itself by doing such a thing a really bad and sad picture. It's a big mistake to promote such a thing ... and I'm not talking about the moral reasons to avoid doing so, since nobody apparently cares about it.

Okay there are no poeple messed up in the head, they are just not the same as the majority of the people in the USA. Open your eyes people the system and the government is controlling you, just becasue the government said taht its sick and wrong to kill people doesnt mean it is, in the reality there is no righ and wrong, you just do what you got to do, if you feel like you gotta shoot people then do it, you'll get locked up for it but you did what youw anted to do, and than the government would just amke all the people hate that person because they don't want people that are not brain wahsed to spread they want to controll you and tell you this country is free, but in reality everybody in american is a pawn in the big chess game. So pleas reconsider thinking about this animation, and the author.

by the way does stupid moms, can't shut down this website, for shyt, even if they try with all they got, firstable it would take a long time, also all the people on this website (members) would protest againsta that, i also bet we have a lot of smart people that woldn't just let this sit get blown down because some moms are afraid their kids might kill eachother thats just stupid.

At 3/25/05 03:40 PM, hofi8 wrote: Okay there are no poeple messed up in the head, they are just not the same as the majority of the people in the USA. Open your eyes people the system and the government is controlling you, just becasue the government said taht its sick and wrong to kill people doesnt mean it is, in the reality there is no righ and wrong, you just do what you got to do, if you feel like you gotta shoot people then do it, you'll get locked up for it but you did what youw anted to do, and than the government would just amke all the people hate that person because they don't want people that are not brain wahsed to spread they want to controll you and tell you this country is free, but in reality everybody in american is a pawn in the big chess game. So pleas reconsider thinking about this animation, and the author.

Hey mister psycho, I'd prefer ten times seeing all the world brainwashed by their government than seeing them killing each other just because they "feel they have to". There are NO REASONS for killing innocent people NOT A SINGLE ONE IN HELL. You're saying so much shit, it's unbelievable, "Just because the government said that its sick and wrong to kill people doesn't mean it is" what ... the ... hell? Everyone knows it's sick AND wrong to kill people and it's not only because government said it, humankind is able of judgment you know, may be you don't, but most of the people do. Everything you said is pure bullshit, government have some good and, of course, some bad. They don't really want us to hate that guy, but of course they don't want us to act as he did, it has nothing to do with control of the populace. This kid was pretty messed up, to kill your family, innocents and yourself, you definitely have problems with yourself are confused.

What the hell is wrong with you?

At 3/25/05 03:18 PM, JusticeofSarcasm wrote: He shot a cop or two and stabbed someone I think, although none died, its still comparable, since people take shooting at cops seriously.

Im guessing NG is gonna have a hard time finding non-porn ads for a while now.

livecorpse didn't plan anything though

in jeff's msn profile it siad

Planning

hating

Waiting
and his profile was updated march16th

At 3/25/05 02:40 PM, setchen12 wrote: So you're comercializing a tragedie because there are more people visiting Newgrounds? sick.

Sick?? i don't think so. How many people profit in the world with other peoples tragedies??(USA and the war in Iraq). Of course that its a shame and i feel kinda akward with what happened but still..
Newgrounds is kinda of hard to sustain(i think) all the space required and stuff...

So he died. SO WHAT!! Many people died in Iraq and in other wars, you don´t seem sorry!! People die, it's life. If his death can Help other peoples great. at least all those people won't die in vain(but they died that way haven't them??)...

People die all the time, its life.

(Sorry if this seems hard on you people, but its what i think)

I don't think we have to worry too much about newgrounds being shut down or anything. Although tragic, there are plenty of similar things involved on the site. Even though this flash links to that school shooting, newgrounds should be fine. If noone believes me, just check out the bastards section. Plus, too many people would fight to have newgrounds stay.

***Warning this might change your life for ever than again it might not***

Okay, its hard to understand for most of you people, but Jeff was one of the lucky man with a special or more inteligent mind, (I know you might think its crazy but read my post befor that) I red his profile and posts, everything that he worte to analyze his character, this is what I found out he's a pot head, he also has respect, he likes guns, and he is one of the lucky people that undrstand that the sytem is just not the way to live, okay to better explain what the sytem is; system is a government, suposely it should keep people in order, by telling people that their free to do all but in fact they cant do a jack shyt, system controls people tells them what to do by the power of lieing and their bigges weapon call the money, they make people like us go to school and educate ourselves for free and than work, and make you think that one day you become rich, but your just gonna stay at your dead end job make your money than become oldfart and watch tv untill you die, ooops I almost forgot tv is also one of the mind controlling devices that the government uses to brain wash us. But back to the subject Jeff realized that all that this country si amde of is bs its just crap what they tell you, your free fi you dont belive me read his review to another submission about Adolph Hitler and Christopher Columbus, okay let me go off subject now, since Jeff is an pot head, why is Marijuana illegal think about it, is it because it gets you high? What about alchohol for what i know alchohol makes you agressive, and pot makes you calm so why is alchohol leagal and pot is not? Well let me tell you, right now if we shut down all the alchohol comanies in the country theris going to an major economic crisis, which would not be good for the gov. now think about the 70's rember all the hyppies they all smoke pot, and they hated gov. why because pot makes you realize that what the system is stupid and why should we follow it.... Okay Im tierd of typeing

P.S
Thsi is all my opinion, I don't care if you call em a stupid idot because of this, because thats what you think and this is what I think, and yes Im only 15 yrs old and I know way more than just this.

as for controversial films

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/227208

now this is going to make the news

At 3/25/05 03:59 PM, Lonly_Angel wrote:

At 3/25/05 02:40 PM, setchen12 wrote: So you're comercializing a tragedie because there are more people visiting Newgrounds? sick.

Sick?? i don't think so. How many people profit in the world with other peoples tragedies??(USA and the war in Iraq). Of course that its a shame and i feel kinda akward with what happened but still..
Newgrounds is kinda of hard to sustain(i think) all the space required and stuff...

So he died. SO WHAT!! Many people died in Iraq and in other wars, you don´t seem sorry!! People die, it's life. If his death can Help other peoples great. at least all those people won't die in vain(but they died that way haven't them??)...

People die all the time, its life.

(Sorry if this seems hard on you people, but its what i think)

yes this is true, im not syaing its okay to kill innocent people, look in Iraque do the soliders deserve to die or maybe they're not innocent, just think out side of the box please I know Im right.

Well, the son of a bitch must have had his reasons for blasting mother fuckers to their graves. What reasons? Who knows. All we know is that instead of popping another Prozac he pop-pop-popped people with his hand gun back to where they came from. Conclusion? I guess he had a bad day or something, like a really bad groin itch... lol

I'm not gonna sit around and pretend I give a damn about shit like this. People die every single fuckin' day from various reasons spanning from getting your head shot off by a US soldier in Iraq to dying from ebola in Africa... I'm not gonna pretend I care, 'cause I don't. It's tragic for sure, but I just don't care... sorry. So much shit going on in the world, so little time to give a damn...