At 3/25/05 04:48 AM, _MessiaH_ wrote: Who the fuck is Jeff Weise?

In his own words: " Nothin' but a Native American teenage-stoner-industrialist. I'm on home-bound schooling so I've got a shitload of freetime... "

At 3/24/05 07:13 PM, WadeFulp wrote: Jeff submitted these entries back in October of 2004. If you don't know who Jeff Weise is, pick up a US newspaper or check out this online article.

I just noticed the front page, good idea.

Also, I was the one that gave you the link to that news article last night, I feel special!

Im having trouble logging on, i was going to write this in the reviews, but this is a more appropriate place for it.
When i was in elementary school... I was beat up by high school kids on the bus i rode. Almost every day, i would get off the bus crying to my mom about it. I talked to the principal, and he did nothing. This continued till high school. I did not go crazy, i am not a crazy neo-nazi for it, as a matter of fact, i developed a bit of a superiority complex against my peers. I still look at some of them,( though i've moved to college, i have a few friends in high school, so i still know how it is), and they actually make me pity them. I seperated myself from the high school society, and i got a unique perspective on them. I see football players who drink and party, I see gorgeous girls who go out with the trashiest people, becuase they are considered cool. I see loose girls who sleep around and are proud of it and an "In-Society" which demands it, i've seen a girl who i thought of as a friend get pregnant and hang herself(i didnt see the actual hanging) because her parents came down so hard on her, i belive it could had been handled better, but i dont blame the parents too bad. I've seen a football player call a cheerleader "Slut-Bucket", and later in the week she was hit by a train and died, i then found out she went to a church nearby the school, and was not a "Slut-Bucket". I've seen many who identify themselves on music that glorifies killing and sex. I've seen my entire generation go down the shit hole, i see high school as a cess-pit of filth. Ive seen "Non-conformists,Goths,Freaks, outcasts, whatever you call them" preach about not conforming to societies rules, when they themselves only accepted those who wore black, painted their faces, and listened to the same music as them. I've seen the same people do drugs,drink, have sex, and commit violence jsut to be a "Non-Conformist". Why, oh why, can't being a non-conformist ever be a good thing? Why cannot people see that doing drugs leads to failure, addiction, and death? Why can't high schoolers see that living a active sex life will make you cool, but most likely lead you forced into a dead-end job before you finish college, just so you can take care of a baby. Why do they punish those who do well by judging them as nerds. Im not so far conceited though to not realize that there are SOME people who are not as such. I know that doctors, lawyers, scientists, and so on all were in high school at one point. But it makes one wonder, what challenges did THEY have to go through to reach where they are today? DId they have to go through the challenges Jeff Weise had to? Did thoughts of rampage invade THEIR minds? No body really knows that answer. As previously stated, ive developed a superiority complex, and was not very kind to many people. I have few friends, but they are very dear to me, people i would trust with everything i am. I think, in retrospect, that i handled things as best i could. My moral is this, you who partake in such actions, analyze your own life and ask, "Where will this take me, what branches fork further down this road i travel". If the School Systems could teach love along side history, maybe we wouldnt have ohter Jeff Weises and Columbines.

I actually read that.
LOL

At 3/25/05 12:10 AM, DrMoxley wrote:
I wouldn't be PROUD of this ghey ass lvl 2 fag,who probably got flamed in our forums, made a lil emo movie,adn the cried while he pulled the trigger on some freaks in his school.

He never posted in the BBS

ConanEdogawa

Sorry this is off-topic. but i see from your profile that your from alabama, where in alabama are you from?

that was very poetic. almost like song lyrics. they would go good to a rap song. sorry, didn't mean to get off topic there...

Out of about 700,000 users,
I wonder why things like this don't happen more often.

I'm glad that there's NG gridlock,
it means more upgrades and power-ups.
and just when Numa Numa was leaving the spotlight
just look at what people have to do to get some Media attention
It's not based on the quailty of your flashes
Either be a dumbass on a webcam or kill a bunch of people
(*Hint* *Hint* Adam Phillips)

I don't think many people care. In a week we'll all forget about this. :)

At 3/25/05 05:48 AM, SumoSanta wrote: I don't think many people care. In a week we'll all forget about this. :)

Nicely said.
Quoted for truth.

My prayers go out to all those who lost their lives at the hands of this person.

You know, I'm kind of sick of seeing "it's not his fault, he was pushed to it". Blame the victims. Maybe if they were a little nicer, it wouldn't have happened, so they deserved to get shot, hmm?

This kid had a choice. He had several choices. He chose to kill people.

I got picked on in school. Most of my friends now did. I wouldn't be suprised if everyone here either was or is currently given a hard time in high school. I'm sure a few of us have severe mental problems. I'm sure a lot of us would certainly -like- to kill people. Yet we don't. We deal with it.

Jeff Weise couldn't deal with it. When he couldn't get the help he needed, when he wasn't strong enough to hold on and try to get it, he made a choice to end it and take as many people as he can with him. It was his choice, and I'm not gonna insult the memory of the victims by pretending that it's othewise. Murder is never justified.

I'd like to also say that it's no shock American tragedies get more coverage in American media than foreign ones, expecially violent ones that affect children. The media reports what will get viewers or readers, and while any violent death is unfortunate, Americans naturally have more interest in the deaths of thier countrymen. I'm not gonna be too outraged if this doesn't get coverage in Germany, because I'm sure Germans don't care too much. Violence in schools tends to get international coverage anyways (I remember the Checniyan school still)

As for the flash itself...if he had posted it 2 days before the shootings, it may have meant more. But he posted it 5 months ago. That's a long time ago. I don't think he was sending a message anymore than I think the authors of Madness or Pico or anyone else who makes a violent flash are going to go on a killing spree. Hindsight is 20/20, and now that it's over with, it's easy to make the leap of "Oh, the disturbed youth who loves movies based on Columbine, idolizes Hitler, and made flashes about killing people is gonna actually do it soon!". But that probably describes about a thousand people here who are non-homicidal (what do we do, arrest them before they can shoot?). There was no way anyone could have seen this coming, and the flash doesn't even indicate he was planning it.

That ought to be enough controversy for a first post.

Newgrounds is a place where people can show their skills, thats all it ever will be, and come on guys, seriously, haven't we seen some amazing talent come through Newgrounds over the years. Lets name a very select few: (In no particular order)

- Dan Paladin (Synj, Alien Hominid (Now a Console Game), Sack Smash)
- SamBakZa (There She Is)
- LegendaryFrog (One Ring to Rule Them All, The Matrix Has/Still Has You)
- Randy Solem (Various Awesome Sprite Movies, inc Rise of the MK)
- Adam Phillips (Brakenwood Series)
- The Super Flash Bro's (Another Day Series, Decline Series, The Matrix Has You)
- Double Helix (Decline Series)
- Krinkles (Madness)
- James Farr (Xombie... Which is getting made into an actual MOVIE!!!)
- Tomorrows Nobody (TN Series)

I know there are heaps more awesome animators, and sorry for the ones i haven't mentioned.

We have One Console game that derived from Flash (Alien Hominid by Dan Paladin and Tom Fulp) we have a series to be made into a movie (Xombie by James Farr) and we have a professional animator (from Disney or something... Adam Phillips) who submit here and produce some amazing work.

Not everyone is a derranged pshycopath... and im not saying that anyone is.

Look at what we have, not what someone produced ages ago and has now made it into a reality. If all of our animators did that... well we'll have:
aliens, Final Fantasy XCMIIIXCMIXIMCXICXMXIXCMXCIMXIMMXCXIICMXCIMXCMIXCICI, The world being attacked by an unkillable Clown, philosiphical xombies, and rabbits and kittens loving each other.

what a stuffed up world that would be ;)

Keep animating without fear people!!!!

Ok, I agree that Wade has to put this movie on the front page to avoid the entire site going down from overload, just be careful Wade. Lawsuits = bad.

Call it a hunch, but I think the site's creators have some sort of legal mechanism in place that releases them from liability in the event something like this does happen. Since anyone can post whatever they want here, and they do take reasonable measures to make sure undesirable content doesn't show, it's hard to imagine Newgrounds having any liability whatsoever over the content of any flash.

Putting it on the front page was a good idea, but I do think it shouldn't be in the "Features" section like it were some sort of Numa Numa media blitz. It should be off to the side with a explanitory clause and a link.

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet. But I discovered a very ironic reply by Jeff on a old review. Go here to see it on my SheezyArt Journal http://www.sheezyart.com/journal/91614/

Its quite odd actually.

Aparently you pissed a few people off.

But its something that people are going to want to view, might as well make it viewable. Its not hard core porn or anything.

can i ask you all here something
WHAT THE FUCKS SO FUNNY ABOUT THAT FLASH
HUH?!

lmao March 25, 2005
Reviewed by: Nevadeth Overall Score: 0
David Firths next lol

LOL March 25, 2005
Reviewed by: KuchenMitSand Overall Score: 5
Someone like Jeff Weise can only get arms in america....poor state.

THIS IS NOT FUNNY
HE WAS PSYCHOTIC AND CAUSED A HORRIBLE MASSACRE
AND PEOPLE LAUGH
REVIEWS LIKE THAT SHOULD BE DELETED AND THE AUTHORS BANNED FOR A DAY

amazing how its the same stuff over and over. most of us disagree with what he did what were saying is the pain he may have felt is understandable who are u people anyway ?dr.phil fans? better yet who made u god and gave u the power to judge people?. wait a min. u maybe the next kid who does something like jeff did thats why ur all angry and upset because some wittle boy type some letters u didnt like awwwwww poor wiitle baby com'er catch up with the rest of us kids are dying. ur here insulting a dead child .now the new trend is to bash helpless dead people or may have been ill . the kid was sick he had an illness. if jeff was ur baby brother, father or uncle would u be wishing him hell? and call him useless names how about if he was dead?. sane people will try and heal thier illed loved ones and get the help they need for them. not wish them to hell and call them sicko ,fag murderur and so on wait a min the rumors are he was ''tourtured and teased'' . and here we are . its a cycle[ like a dog chassing his tail] whats the point of u bashing a child who was possible ill and is now dead?.trying to help ur satan out? uknow make sure he gives him a seat inhell?uve never been there how is it u suddenly feel the urge to be a flight director for good ol satan?find a new job if u wanna send people places, try ur local airlines. maybe a crossing gaurd even better forget that u seem to wish hurtful things on people for being ill i cant imagine what u'd do to the kids he hurt alot of people that day. and people hurt him. the only thing thats different is he felt he needed to do those sad things to make the pain go away . u people the ones who bash and inflict useless hurt onto the living and now the dead move on to the next ''loner'' or ''odd'' person. u just keep adding to the problem. well guess what these words u all type are proof ur only entertaing ur own sick minds because jeff cant read this hate u all type. only u and complete strangers u hope read ur words . so if and when u judge someone for anything look in a mirror and wonder what demons are u breeding?as for his work its good stuff and i think the staff should leave it up as a reminder to u and people who read ur hate in the kids review box.by the way i need a flight outa uranus its packed up in here.

At 3/24/05 08:11 PM, EyesOnlyUS wrote: Typical Media Attack strategies:
Step 1: Interviews with Photogentic Bystandards. Generally, the media will pick some popular blond girl with no accent. Typically, a popular kid, a jock, or a cheerleader. Heaven forbid we interview a nerd, a geek, or a goth.
Step 2: Pidgeon Holing: "He was a quiet kid. He was an introvert. He was a goth kid. He was strange. He did wierd things." The media doesn't understand that just because you don't fit the mold, doesn't make you a potential threat.
Step 3: Blaming Technology: "He played video games, used the comptuer alot. He liked to create violent drawings/videos/pictures." As apposed to beating up someone because they don't have a Letter jacket? The technology excuse also makes TV and Raido look altrusitic. The new media, espically the internet, is a threat to them. As more people turn on their computers, more people turn off their TVs and raidos.
Step 4: Blaming Viewpoints: "He was trying to be evil. He was into Satanism. He admired Hitler." This is generic media bias. And why is it that every creed that is not Christan, Jewish, or Muslim is Satanism? Buddism isn't evil. Neither is Wicca. The only religion that worships Satan is Satanism.
Step 5: Blaming Conditions and Hobbies: "He was taking antidepresants. He liked using guns." Again, generic media bias. Using the names of the make and model of the used objects are instant self promotion. Kinda like that popular kid they inteviewed wearing clothes with corporate logos.
Step 6: Blaming Style/Non-mainstream Music Genres: "He liked listening to Industrial/Heavy Metal/Goth music. He liked listening to Marylin Manson." Manson is not goth. Morressy is goth. Emo, Nu Metal, and Poppunk are also not goth. In fact, what the hell does music have to do with random acts of violence comitted by stupid assholes like Weis?
Step 7: Blaming Religon/Politics: "He didn't have the love of Christ in his life. He worshiped some other religion. This is a conspiracy run by ...(media group) News flash: God doesn't give a damn.

ndmediaNG wrote; "The vast majority of us will live and die, committing no great deeds for people to speak of. That's probably why he did it, he wanted his name to appear on the news, wanted to have all of us discussing about him. When he committed suicide he knew for a certainty that his life would be the subject of more speculation than he could ever hope for if he lived his life out regularly."

..there's a lot of media coverage for this sort of thing. The curiosity factor is overwhelming for the public. "Why did he do it?" ..what are the danger signs. How do we avoid a repeat happening, or how do i spot someone who's over the edge? Blame is a negative vibe. Blaming the symptoms just make more youth dissolutioned about their own state of mental health. It's the cause we should be interested.

For example.

Symptom; Listens to Korn, Marilyn Manson, Nirvana.
Cause; Bullying
Symptom; Makes suicidal flash, watches NG content
Cause; Bullying
Symptom; Takes Prozac, weed, alcohol
Cause; Bullying

..so do we ban music, movies and drugs? or do we crack down on bullying?

EyesOnlyUS beautifully details the media's focus on symptoms, but there's likely an underlying cause which will be overlooked.. and if killing people for fame was the actual cause then you won't hear that from the media themselves. It's therefore very refreshing to see NG users who are free to speculate the reasons without need to lay blame on any particular symptom (yeah, like he obviously had most of them!)

This isn't the last time something like this is going to happen to a Newgrounds user.

All the little kiddies on NG want more violence and blood. They actually rate lower if it doesn't contain the two.

People can try and justify this kid as much as they want, there is NO excuse to go out and gun down innocent civilians.

He was fucked in the head. I hope he's burning in hell.

Choosing to backup this kid only shows one thing:

You contemplate similar tendancies.

Newgrounds gets too populair

i reviewed the movie when he was still alive...

At 3/25/05 08:05 AM, -Jun- wrote: Choosing to backup this kid only shows one thing:

You contemplate similar tendancies.

No; fuck you.
He was obviously mentally damaged and/or bullied/abused.
Choosing to "backup this kid" shows that youve considered his motives and his state of health and so you can feel sorry for him.
So shut up

At 3/25/05 08:21 AM, mrjam640 wrote:

At 3/25/05 08:05 AM, -Jun- wrote: Choosing to backup this kid only shows one thing:

You contemplate similar tendancies.

No; fuck you.
He was obviously mentally damaged and/or bullied/abused.
Choosing to "backup this kid" shows that youve considered his motives and his state of health and so you can feel sorry for him.
So shut up

No, Fuck You! What the fuck do you know, you litte 13 year old dipshit?

It doesn't matter how much shit you went through. YOU DON'T GUN INNOCENT CIVILIANS AT SUCH AN AGE! THE KID WAS FUCKED IN THE HEAD!!

I've lost a brother, my parents are divorced, my best friend has died. Do you see me going out and bullying people?

And you know, it's quite funny that when I saw 'you contemplate similar tendancies', you get all pissed off.
That just proves my point further.

<sarcasm>

I belive Hitler had a bad past. He's not in the wrong for killing millions of people.

</sarcasm>

So you're saying that if someone guns down innocent people, no matter what the situation, they deserve to burn in hell, there is simply no excuse for it.

I do agree with you to a certian degree...but things are never that simple...
This kid was bullied at school, mistreated and abused by his mother, his father commited suicide, his mother was paralyzed, he was depressed, felt alone and God knows what other mental damage he had, caused by the mental and most likely physical abuse he suffered on a daily basis. Now... I don't know what you think, but having to live like that, every day of your life, would drive you to do things you would never dream of doing in a "normal" state of mind.
There are some very sick people in the world, you may or may not have heard about the now 17 year old kid who brutally murdered his 14 year old girlfriend, they both lived in my area, she was murdered on a secluded path I have walked many times. The guy who did this knew what he was doing, planned it in his mind, and even tried covering it up, these are the people who deserve to "burn in hell". Jeff Weise was not cold hearted and calculating, he was just a kid who was abused to the point of losing his sanity, and commited an act which I'm sure he would not have done, if he had recieved help when he needed it.

At 3/25/05 08:55 AM, DeathSyndrome wrote: So you're saying that if someone guns down innocent people, no matter what the situation, they deserve to burn in hell, there is simply no excuse for it.

Yes. There is NO excuse. Especially in this case.

I bet you he enjoyed killing those people. It was probably his life's dream to do a full massacre.

He made flashes about it and he finally got to do what he always wanted.

I sincerely hope he rots in Hell.

Think about the people he killed...

At 3/25/05 08:25 AM, -Jun- wrote: No, Fuck You! What the fuck do you know, you litte 13 year old dipshit?

It doesn't matter how much shit you went through. YOU DON'T GUN INNOCENT CIVILIANS AT SUCH AN AGE! THE KID WAS FUCKED IN THE HEAD!!

I've lost a brother, my parents are divorced, my best friend has died. Do you see me going out and bullying people?

And you know, it's quite funny that when I saw 'you contemplate similar tendancies', you get all pissed off.
That just proves my point further.

Actually i know quite a lot
do you do latin?
no obviously not
i do not contemplate similar tendencies. its people like you that make me laugh becuase your so fuck-witted.
he couldnt draw the line between mind and reality GET IT?
he kept thinking about guns and that hey he mightve thought it was fun mabye not bullying or abuse-related at all
but he might not have realised that the real world and his mind are different very different worlds
"the kid was fucked in the head" yes i know. it might not have been bully related at all
Age doesnt count for shit
its all in the mind
and by the by of course i havent seen you go out and bully people. i dont fucking know you.

Yes, but you have to ask yourself, would he have done this if he had recieved help?
Would he have done this if he had had a perfectly normal, happy life? No bullying, no abuse, friends who cared about him.