Not to make this a Livecorpse thread, but why does it seem that nobody wants to achknowledge what he did was wrong. Someone said he shot a cop in fear after stabbing his best friend. Do you shoot at cops? This isn't a normal reaction. Sure Livecorpse was messed up, but that doesnt make what he did ok, nor if Jeff was an alter boy would make what he did ok. Livecorpse was probally trying to kill atleast the cop but failed (although I can't say for certain). Had the cop died would you still hold him up as a god? On a scale of badness of actions sure LIvecorpse doesnt rate up as high as Jeff but he sure as hell rates higher than most of us.

So why should hosting Jeffs flash be different from hosting LiveCorpses stuff. Is it because he wasn't as popular (how many people here had even heard of him before?). So do we only keep stuff from people we like, or do we keep the stuff that makes it through the portal and is based upon the quality of the flash, not the name of the author.

Emotional instability does not discriminate against color, income level or national origin. This group should encourage each of its members to talk about what's bothering them. It's no longer "cool" to just laugh off all the disturbing violence. It clearly has an affect and people died because we have remained silent for too long. How long are we going to remain part of the conspiracy of silence? Talk to eachother and reason things out. Life is not meant to be a slow form of suicide.

At 3/24/05 07:13 PM, WadeFulp wrote: After much debate we have decided to feature Jeff Weise's Flash entry, Target Practice on our front page. Now that the media is reporting Newgrounds.com as the site where Jeff posted his Flash entries we have had an increase in traffic. These visitors are heavily searching out Jeff's work so we have decided to make it easier for them to find. This will hopefully help alleviate the strain they are putting on our database server caused by their searches.

Jeff submitted these entries back in October of 2004. If you don't know who Jeff Weise is, pick up a US newspaper or check out this online article.

Lets think about the murder, shall we?...
If any of you know about the news, im sure you have read something about the massacre.
The kid was a Nazi (I DO NOT SAY THAT THIS IS WHAT CAUSED HIM TO LOSE IT), he had made several bomb threaths to his school, he was charged for that. Think about the flash animation, he also asked the children of the school whom he killed that if they "Believed in God"? right after the coward ended their life. (whoa... wait a minute... so it happened in Columbia too... the killers asked their victims if they were believers.)
He had planned this beforehand, he posted it in forums of TheSmokingGun, or something like that, he was planning on attempting the mass murder during the 4/20 holiday (im sure you all know this was The Fuhrer Hitler's birthday), he smoked weed and did kinds of drugs who might have made his state of mind more unstable than it already was... I will continue this when i get more facts...

At 3/25/05 10:28 PM, wIcked_wEasel wrote: Lets think about the murder, shall we?...

This is supposed to be about his flash, not his actions, people seem to get that mixed up.

he had made several bomb threaths to his school, he was charged for that.

Actually they accused him but later cleared his name.

Think about the flash animation

Yes please do.

At 3/25/05 10:32 PM, JusticeofSarcasm wrote:

At 3/25/05 10:28 PM, wIcked_wEasel wrote: Lets think about the murder, shall we?...

This is supposed to be about his flash, not his actions, people seem to get that mixed up.

he had made several bomb threaths to his school, he was charged for that.

Actually they accused him but later cleared his name.

Think about the flash animation

Yes please do.

Ok, i will pay attention to the flash instead of the murder... I do understand this is a flash animation site?

Actually, the flash itself sucked as much as the cowardly author. It was boring and it had no originality. I'm quite sure it would have never made front page if it weren't
for what happened(Duh!). It's obvious what people are here to post about.

what proof do we have that jeff made this? Maybe it was someone else, I don't know, I think he made it, but what if it wasn't him?

Read the first two pages of reviews, written abck in October before this happend and look at the difference. Even his replies to peoples reviews were great. Sayign things like thankls for the compliments, it makes me feel better, I plan on doign alot mroe int he future.

THANKS WADE!!!!!
Thanks for bringing his flash to my attention and making easy for me to see... i really appreciate that. Jeff was from the same tribe as me....

and i might as well confess.... back in 1989 i was going to go on a killing spree at my school... i was armed up and ready... but a friend i had told to stay away told on me... i hated him then... but i thank him now... the people who made my life hell... i dont even fucking KNOW them anymore...

if you are worried a friend is going to do something like this... tell... he may hate you now but you will prevent a tragedy... and later he may thank you.... even if he hates you forever, you still did the right thing.... i was angry at being stopped for years... i felt betrayed... but now im so glad..... like i said... i dont even KNOW those assholes anymore...

if you live in a crappy little town where you hate everyone and theres nothing to look foreward to but minimum wage or welfare and a life with your worst enemies as neighbors, do what i ended up doing eventually... leave town...head for a new place where you dont know anyone... reinvent yourself.... even if you fail and have to go home, you had an adventure.... ive lived in several major cities now and have even traveled abroad... im still "on walkabout" as my family says...but at least im not dead or in prison with the blood of a bunch of other kids on my hands...

no one will learn the lesson you want to teach them anyway...they will just talk even MORE shit about you afterwards.... they dont understand you in life...why would they understand you in death? its not worth it....

its a big world off the rez or outside your town... see it!!!!

At 3/25/05 09:28 PM, DaSadGirl wrote:

At 3/25/05 08:02 PM, tkum wrote: his profile says he did home schooling aswell, are we 100 percent this is him ?

Guess what? He lied. As he lied when he responded to a reviewer of his flash when he said it wasn't a sign.

( 5

guess what? when i was confronted about my plan...i lied... i said i was just blowing smoke... no one knew i was serious and had the guns..... but i was stopped... they yanked me out of school and put me in therapy... it was bullshit...the tehrapy...but the tragedy was averted...that is the important part....

That is right. But what will happen if they shut down NG? I can't imagine my life without NG!

At 3/25/05 11:19 PM, arcanearcher wrote: That is right. But what will happen if they shut down NG? I can't imagine my life without NG!

who the fuck are "they" ? and how could they shut down NG?

At 3/25/05 09:57 PM, axlr8or wrote: blah blah

You say you're open minded but you call us and our opinions worthless. Open mindedness is a two way street.

did anyone just see the on the portal... "Badness: the weise story" ...OMFG...it is now flagged, probably for unsuitable in context...

is it only me who feel's that he just made this flash because he wanted to and not because he was thinking about kill those people. if you all think that's the case. if you really feel his flash was a look in to his thought's and the future . how are you guys allowing most of this site to even exsist. this whole site almost is about blood and gore and killer bunnys, and know that i think about it one of the first flashes of this site was about kids shooting up a school.

i just feel were making to much of this but thats just me

that's just
Gre8ness

At 3/25/05 11:19 PM, arcanearcher wrote: That is right. But what will happen if they shut down NG? I can't imagine my life without NG!

The possiblity of that lingers, but thanks to the 1st Amendment (Freedom of Speech) that prevents it from being shut down. It may be harassed by politicians, Mommies Know Best groups, any groups of the sort, but it will still remain. Though some of it might be violent, places like www.rotten.com and www.ogrish.com have more gore and there are porn sites still up, so those stand as an example.

Now, to be back on topic. I won't flame, as it has not helped the cause in any way or sort, Jeff had problems. He was on Prozac, and as the recent news on the drugs including Prozac about how they have caused kids to commit suicide, it happened to him. It also happened that he was picked on at school, had a bad relationship with his mother, his father committed suicide, and he chose a horrible way to vent his anger: killing people. He killed his grandfather, drove his grandfather's cruiser to school, and began killing people. I haven't heard if/why he chose that date, maybe he just snapped on that day. It has been said that Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris chose April 20th for Hitler's birthday, but it had been ruled that they massacred those people at Columbine on that date because the production of one of their propane bombs was delayed. Yes, he admired Hitler, was on a neo-Nazi site logged on as "Todesengel" (German for "Angel of Death"), and gave away so many signs of his plan. But people on the internet can only sit and watch it unfold, unless they live in the same area as him. As for the people complimenting him on his flash and of the sort, he needs to be separated from Flash artist and mass murderer. One can be changed from one's opinion, while the other has been set in stone. What he did was wrong, and he should have chosen another less violent way to vent his anger. Maybe he chose to kill people to give some sort of payback. But who am I to judge on that. I would continue, but I want to save space so that the people can continue their wars among eachother.

Just my two cents.

At 3/25/05 11:19 PM, arcanearcher wrote: That is right. But what will happen if they shut down NG? I can't imagine my life without NG!

LOL! You haven't even been on this site for a week. And nothing is going to happen to Newgrounds. Nobody can do shit to it, so stop acting like Newgrounds is being shut down because it's not. Newgrounds did nothing wrong other than let Jeff sign up and host his flash. So please, tell us how 'they' will shut Newgrounds down?

14 pages of you lot argueing over victiums,personaly i think this thread should be closed
r.i.p. all thoses who lost their lives including jeff weise, because he was clearly in need of help
and sadly the resultof him not gettingit was this terrible incident

If the media sees whats on Newgrounds they will blame it for school shootings and other acts of violence caused by people like Jeff Weise. You know this site does have some pretty bad content and the media would just love to shut this site and other sites like thi down.

What's really surprising me is the "massive surge of media attention" everyone's been bracing themselves for never really came. I didn't hear much about the school shooting at all on the news, it isn't talked about, and it just seems like the public doesn't care and has shifted their attention fully back to Terri Schiavo, the Michael Jackson Trial and who's having sex with Paris Hilton this week.

It's just strange, really. After Columbine, it was all that was on anyone's minds. Every news camera on the planet was focused on Columbine for the days and weeks that followed, and even now when I say "Columbine" there's an instant reaction in people. Down the road, I don't think anyone will even remember "That Minnesota native kid shooting".

I was hoping maybe the issues of what's going on with teenagers and what's going on in native communities in particular might be brought to the forefront, so that people could actually think about it and hopefully further tragedies could be averted. But who cares, right? Paris Hilton's having sex with someone new, we've gotta shift our focus again

So... this is what you gotta do to get front page around here :P

At 3/26/05 12:50 AM, MindChamber wrote: So... this is what you gotta do to get front page around here :P

lol any movie that gets public attention.

At 3/26/05 12:57 AM, AnzRage wrote: lol any movie that gets public attention.

And attention it has gotten. I think it is almost up to 1,300 reviews with most of them seemingly ignorant that the guy killed himself everywhere. Is it just me or does anyone else think that we've reached enough reviews of this flash already and there should be no more allowed?

At 3/26/05 01:12 AM, jmaster306 wrote: And attention it has gotten. I think it is almost up to 1,300 reviews with most of them seemingly ignorant that the guy killed himself everywhere. Is it just me or does anyone else think that we've reached enough reviews of this flash already and there should be no more allowed?

erm, change that "everywhere" to already, sorry for the double post.

At 3/26/05 12:46 AM, atomic_99 wrote: What's really surprising me is the "massive surge of media attention" everyone's been bracing themselves for never really came.

Its because he is not white. Im not sure about the school (if it was a reserve school or not), but possibly many of the victims were not white. It makes a big difference in the amount of media attention you get. Michael Jackson, well his skin colour is another debate.

At 3/25/05 06:12 PM, RestlessMind wrote:

At 3/25/05 09:16 AM, -Jun- wrote: If you think that this kid 'lost his marbles' and didn't know what he was doing, go to a doctor and find out if thats possible. Without the aid of strong drugs, you can't slip from reality to a point that you don't know what you're doing.

The child was well aware that he was about to kill people. He prepared for it. He had the brains to plan it out.

A person can't flip out that he doesn't know what he's doing.

Sure, if the kid sought help, he might not have done it. But if you look at what kind of person he was, you'll see that he liked the idea of killing. It was going to happen sooner or later.

His shooting was intentional and he was well aware that he was going to kill.

People should stop backing this little shit up and rather send condolences to the family of those who were killed.

And the FBI should start monitoring the youngsters that view NG. Many of them are capable and think of doing exactly the same thing.

where have u been? sheltered by ur parents? drugs prescribed to children today have side effects that lean towards making the child suicidal or act out in violent ways.maybe the meds ur taking have done what they are supposed to do. like sit on ur ass all day and post hate for the dead ....... more stuff.

Are you seriously 28? I doubt a 28 year old would of posted so much bullshit.

You and Cacadum (sp) don't know what you are talking about. Please read through his reviews and speak to the other BBS memebers. Before trying to offend me, you should also read all of my posts related to this topic.

I hope that kid is burning in hell! I hope Satan fucks him bad

If you actually had any clue as to what you were talking about, you would of know stuff like this:
"Waiting.
Planning.
Hating."
That is one of the descriptions that Weise had in his profile. Did know that, did you? I bet there are plenty of other things you didn't know.

The mind, even with the effects of marijuana, can't loose reality to a point that you think it's a videogame. If you think that, you should stop playing videogames. I know kids who abused way more than this little murderer and they have become better people through all their hard-times.

THAT KID PLANNED TO MURDER THOSE PEOPLE. Can you not see that? How can you make up excuses for this guy? His hardships were no reason to go out and kill innocent people. AND HIS OWN FAMILY.

That kid was just plain and simply fucked in the head BUT there is no excuse for someone to act like he did.

He shall rot in hell, the murderer.

His father commited suicide, his mom was hospitalized with a serious head injury from an accident, he was picked on at school, lived on a reserve I believe (which are some of the lowest income areas in your country) and probally had a few underlying psycological issues. Im no Dr Phil but that could make anyone go crazy.

I was thinking that since he wasn't White, how could this kid love Hitler?
Hitler would surely think Weise was beneath him.

At 3/25/05 06:38 PM, CaedoDeum wrote: Fucking ignorant, naive, moronic dumbshit... For the love of christ, you are the one being stupid and saying the cause was how "he was fucked in the head." Why? Why was he fucked in the head? He wasn't fucked in the head six months earlier.

I don't know why this kids constantly had thoughts of killing people, but I can tell you enjoyed thinking about it. You should lurk around, just like I mentioned before.

Wanting to kill people like he did = Fucked in the head.

End. Of. Story.

At 3/26/05 01:42 AM, JusticeofSarcasm wrote: His father commited suicide, his mom was hospitalized with a serious head injury from an accident, he was picked on at school, lived on a reserve I believe (which are some of the lowest income areas in your country) and probally had a few underlying psycological issues. Im no Dr Phil but that could make anyone go crazy.

I've had friends who've gone through a lot worse, like losing his family, his wife, his job, wrote his car off, lost a limb in the process, went on to become a heroine addict.

He's off the heroine now... but that's besides the point.

Did he pickup a gun and goto his nearest school.. just to murder innocent civilians and then kill him? No.

There are people who have been through a lot worse than Weise. Weise has no excuse.