At 11/10/12 04:33 PM, Vincoid wrote:

Can you do anything about that? Not as far as I know. They must help themselves first by fixing what they hate about themselves or realizing that the ideas they have are nonsense. Telling him won't change a thing, he has to find out for himself that his beliefs are bullshit and are limiting who he is and what he can have in life (in this case you).

So don't hold yourself responsible for his feelings of inferiority. Do what he isn't capable of and enjoy your life as you please ;)

I'm just going to add to this a quote I heard from the excellent movie "The Perks Of Being a Wallflower":
We accept the love we think we deserve. Which, of course, screws over most of the world, but it's a nice quote anyhows.
If the fella has dick problems, that's his beef. Us guys never figured out if girls like us for our size or not, or even if they DO like dicks or sex. We'll never know, and every guy, even porn stars, are a wee bit insecure about that.
Because let's face it, girls are so gorgeous and amazing, and we're just smelly and disgusting.

At 11/9/12 05:51 PM, Escalus wrote: That's all I can do, I could've raged at him and tell him to put on his big boy briefs and stop being such a pansy but I didn't.

I had to learn this the hard way, and that is that you did the absolute right thing in this situation by not raging at him. It's very, very tempting and hard to avoid doing, but in the end it will pay off. When my ex gf cheated on me, I was so angry I raged at her so bad that she ended up being glad she wasn't with me anymore, instead of feeling guilty which she initially felt.

I've got a strange question of my own. Are relationships in college common? Because over here it really doesn't seem to be, everyone's just into studying all day and having one night stands at parties.

At 11/15/12 09:41 PM, Entice wrote:

At 11/15/12 09:35 PM, mothballs wrote: I've got a strange question of my own. Are relationships in college common? Because over here it really doesn't seem to be, everyone's just into studying all day and having one night stands at parties.

Doesn't seem to be. A lot of really attractive guys I know never have dates, just because they're not interested in it right now.

Kind of figured. All people seem to care about here is studying. I was expecting girls to come a lot easier.

how am i supposed to even speak to membars of the oposite sex?

At 11/17/12 01:16 AM, Boss wrote: how am i supposed to even speak to membars of the oposite sex?

correct spelling is attractive to women

At 11/19/12 05:12 AM, SkeletonSoldier wrote:

Men and women are different. Women want love,men want sex. Women want to feel like the only one in your life,they want someone who is financially stable,they want someone who cares for them and treats them as if they're the most beautiful and loveliest person on Earth. When a women loves you she will walk the ends of the earth,she is loyal and cares deeply. Some women will fake it and they don't always care about size,some just enjoy sex because it makes them feel wanted and loved by their partner. For a woman,sex is an offering of her emotional commitment to her male partner. Sex just eases male testosterone levels after the physical activity,the feelings fade and he quickly leaves the girl.
Women know this about men,and this is why they are finicky about their partners. They don't want to be used for sex,but they're actually emotionally hurt and feel devalued as a person when guys they like and actually thought cared,only want them for one thing.

I guess I can't get mad for women hating us so much, we have been quite terrible to them over the course of history. Even so, it's a little unreasonable to say that that's all men want, at least in a logical form. Obviously you'll have those dudes who want that and nothing else, and they do exactly what you say.
The difficulty in being a man in this instance is the knowledge that a good number of women, such as yourself (or maybe not, I don't know) hate us, think that they are the only good gender, and either have sex anyway or rid themselves of us altogether. I will like to reiterate that not all women are like this. Much like men who only want women for sex, it's a select group.
So please, don't think we're ALL like that.
I would like to say here that your idea of romance is what I like to call the "Twilight" model: It's what everyone wants, but can never get. Unfortunately, for both genders, romance is a pretty deadened experience if it's just a desperate attempt to live like it's a crappy movie. I will assure you that no human being, neither us or anyone who has ever lived, will ever have a romance like that. They will either pretend to in the relationships they have or not have any at all.
Also, if a woman doesn't like sex physically, then she shouldn't have it at all if she doesn't want to. If you're offering yourself to a man to make him stay with you, that's just as bad as a man using a woman for sex. Relationships aren't always about sex. If he's as horrible as you say, he'll leave anyway.
Although, to be honest, I don't want to have sex with anyone thanks to your description of it. I mean, if that's all it really is then it is seriously overrated.
If I might ask, if you're a woman, what happened to make you hate men (I'm assuming) or why do you hate men if nothing happened?
If any of this sounds offensive, it's not meant to be, honest.
Love, a very confused guy.

At 11/19/12 05:12 AM, SkeletonSoldier wrote:

Men and women are different. Women want love,men want sex. Women want to feel like the only one in your life,they want someone who is financially stable,they want someone who cares for them and treats them as if they're the most beautiful and loveliest person on Earth. When a women loves you she will walk the ends of the earth,she is loyal and cares deeply. Some women will fake it and they don't always care about size,some just enjoy sex because it makes them feel wanted and loved by their partner. For a woman,sex is an offering of her emotional commitment to her male partner. Sex just eases male testosterone levels after the physical activity,the feelings fade and he quickly leaves the girl.
Women know this about men,and this is why they are finicky about their partners. They don't want to be used for sex,but they're actually emotionally hurt and feel devalued as a person when guys they like and actually thought cared,only want them for one thing.

I guess I can't get mad for women hating us so much, we have been quite terrible to them over the course of history. Even so, it's a little unreasonable to say that that's all men want, at least in a logical form. Obviously you'll have those dudes who want that and nothing else, and they do exactly what you say.
The difficulty in being a man in this instance is the knowledge that a good number of women, such as yourself (or maybe not, I don't know) hate us, think that they are the only good gender, and either have sex anyway or rid themselves of us altogether. I will like to reiterate that not all women are like this. Much like men who only want women for sex, it's a select group.
So please, don't think we're ALL like that.
I would like to say here that your idea of romance is what I like to call the "Twilight" model: It's what everyone wants, but can never get. Unfortunately, for both genders, romance is a pretty deadened experience if it's just a desperate attempt to live like it's a crappy movie. I will assure you that no human being, neither us or anyone who has ever lived, will ever have a romance like that. They will either pretend to in the relationships they have or not have any at all.
Also, if a woman doesn't like sex physically, then she shouldn't have it at all if she doesn't want to. If you're offering yourself to a man to make him stay with you, that's just as bad as a man using a woman for sex. Relationships aren't always about sex. If he's as horrible as you say, he'll leave anyway.
Although, to be honest, I don't want to have sex with anyone thanks to your description of it. I mean, if that's all it really is then it is seriously overrated.
If I might ask, if you're a woman, what happened to make you hate men (I'm assuming) or why do you hate men if nothing happened?
If any of this sounds offensive, it's not meant to be, honest.
Love, a very confused guy.

I seriously think that at this rate I'm going to die alone.
Seriously, I'm like chick repellent, women just seem to disappear or lose interest whenever I'm around.
Admittedly this is because I'm a hideous and boring guy. I simply don't have a single romantic bone in my body.
Nor do women fantasize about me and stuff like that.
You gotta be attractive, wealthy or famous to attract anyone. Women like power, and I have none of it.
If anyone tells you otherwise, they're lying.
Just felt like expressing myself in a place where no one can figure out who I am.

At 12/13/12 01:10 PM, Glides wrote: I seriously think that at this rate I'm going to die alone.

You mean in this negative state? Because negativity only attracts negativity and women in general are not looking for negativity? Why yes, most likely you will. Not that weird seeing as you hold so many negative believes that keep you from liking someone or being liked.

Seriously, I'm like chick repellent, women just seem to disappear or lose interest whenever I'm around.

They lose interest? So there was interest at first? Then what is it that makes them lose interest? What is it you do that prevents them from liking you? Is it you playing a victim? Is it you creating your own failures to make your expactations of failure come true?

Admittedly this is because I'm a hideous and boring guy. I simply don't have a single romantic bone in my body.

The penis has no bone, that is true.

Jokes aside, you project what you believe and women believe what you project. So yes, you are boring and hideous. Not because it is true, because you believe it to be true.

Nor do women fantasize about me and stuff like that.

Tell me more about the magic of reading the minds of women! Or is it so that you don't know what women think nor fantasize about? So in actuality it might just be that they do fantasize about you?

You gotta be attractive, wealthy or famous to attract anyone. Women like power, and I have none of it.

Power of self. To be who you want to be, live life as you see fit and to have power over your own emotions. That is the power women seek in men. It's a part of what creates attraction. Power of self is to be obtained by any man. In that case it is your own responsibility to obtain it and your own responsibility to allow women to be attracted to you.

But I'm glad you to see that you're being a victim. After all, a victim is powerless. In this case the victim is powerless because you choose to be powerless.

If anyone tells you otherwise, they're lying.

True. Women do want to be attracted to men (or women). It's true you have to be attractive to do so. It's true they like power and it's true you have none.
It's also you true you can have power. It's true that power is waiting for you to grab it and to give direction and meaning to your own life by taking control of it. It's also true that anyone can be powerful and anyone can be attractive. It's also true that negative believes keep you from being powerful and attractive, drag you into a cycle of negativity which constantly reinforces these negative believes and makes you feel like a victim. It's the sad truth that you're doing this to yourself. But it's the best truth to know that you can stop doing this to yourself, man the fuck up and take some control over your own life.

Just felt like expressing myself in a place where no one can figure out who I am.

It doesn't matter who you are. It only matters if you are happy with what you are like.

At 12/13/12 04:43 PM, Vincoid wrote:

Right, shit. I was a little drunk when I wrote all that.

At 12/16/12 03:06 PM, Glides wrote:

At 12/13/12 04:43 PM, Vincoid wrote:

Right, shit. I was a little drunk when I wrote all that.

Fair enough. But does that mean it's all false?

Just a question - is it okay to ask for general friend-making advice here too? Or dating relationships only?

At 12/18/12 01:57 PM, sadisticirony wrote: Just a question - is it okay to ask for general friend-making advice here too? Or dating relationships only?

As far as I'm concerned you can ask me anything you'd like. Go ahead ;)

When your girlfriend says Nothing can really make her happy. How should I take this? I just started a relationship with her. Been a week so far. Apparently she's been known to be depressing( I witness worst people than her so it's not as bad as it would seem) and I have known her for 4 years overall.

At 12/22/12 01:16 AM, RandomRoarness wrote: When your girlfriend says Nothing can really make her happy. How should I take this? I just started a relationship with her. Been a week so far. Apparently she's been known to be depressing( I witness worst people than her so it's not as bad as it would seem) and I have known her for 4 years overall.

Since you have known her for four years, judge by her actions. Do her actions suggest she is a depressed person? She could be trying to "test" you and see how you react to her statement or she could just be really depressed. How do you feel her depression affects your relationship? Is it problematic?

At 12/22/12 03:05 PM, DarkSoldier wrote:

At 12/22/12 01:16 AM, RandomRoarness wrote: When your girlfriend says Nothing can really make her happy. How should I take this? I just started a relationship with her. Been a week so far. Apparently she's been known to be depressing( I witness worst people than her so it's not as bad as it would seem) and I have known her for 4 years overall.

Since you have known her for four years, judge by her actions. Do her actions suggest she is a depressed person? She could be trying to "test" you and see how you react to her statement or she could just be really depressed. How do you feel her depression affects your relationship? Is it problematic?

According to one of my close friends whom dated her for a very brief time back in 09', he said she is a pretty emo character in a sense. Last Nite I had asked her why she felt like she can never be happy. Responding back she said it has been like that since she was 8. Depressed and anxiety. I don't find it problematic but for a guy who hasn't been in a relationship for 3 three years and isn't sure how to go about a relationship now that I am in one, I would like to do the best I can in making her happy without being to persistent nor annoying . Also she said she is not used to affection as I told her I was gonna give her tons of it while being together
That and her past relationships(Not that many) have been abusive(Some verbally, and physically) .
So that sums up everything.

At 12/28/12 04:48 AM, Entice wrote: There's a lot of mixed signals. I just don't know what to think about anything.

From what you've described, she seems like a very problematic individual: suicidal, trust issues, etc. You have developed feelings for her, understandable, but do you think she is the kind of dating material you would want? Read over your post and ask yourself if she is worth your time. She seems like she's stringing you along, giving you mixed messages as you said. I don't see her being interested in you from what you've told us.

The girl knows you like her. If she liked you too, you would know by now and not come to the conclusion that she's giving you "mixed signals." My advice for you is to move on, find other girls that are worth your time and not willing to play petty mind games.

At 12/22/12 07:00 PM, RandomRoarness wrote:

According to one of my close friends whom dated her for a very brief time back in 09', he said she is a pretty emo character in a sense. Last Nite I had asked her why she felt like she can never be happy. Responding back she said it has been like that since she was 8. Depressed and anxiety. I don't find it problematic but for a guy who hasn't been in a relationship for 3 three years and isn't sure how to go about a relationship now that I am in one, I would like to do the best I can in making her happy without being to persistent nor annoying . Also she said she is not used to affection as I told her I was gonna give her tons of it while being together
That and her past relationships(Not that many) have been abusive(Some verbally, and physically) .
So that sums up everything.

I'm concerned with the state of this girl. You've described her as: depressed, anxious, abused, emotional and unhappy. Those characteristics sound problematic for any relationship, especially a long term one. Her remark that nothing can make her happy describes all her qualities that you outlined. You can try activities or actions that you think would make her happy but I think given her emotional state, it will prove to be beyond your capabilities and not worth your time and effort. That's my take on your situation.

Whether it has been three years, five years or your first time in a relationship is irrelevant. When you're in a relationship, you should continue to act the same way you did before you got into it. People sometimes make the mistake of changing their behaviour and lifestyle when they get into a relationship because they now got the girl. That usually results in a loss of attraction and ultimately a breakup. You have to keep the attraction going at all times. I would say it was a mistake to tell her you were going to give her tons of affection because you might have come off as too desperate or clingy. You live and learn.

Just because I'm curious to see what the response is:

Does love exist in a romantic capacity? Explain why.
Be sure to factor in stuff like the friend zone and all that.

I personally don't think it does, since half of all marriages end in divorce and most couples break up.
And you know, people get real boring to one another real fast.

Just curious to see what you all think.

At 1/14/13 08:45 PM, Glides wrote: Just because I'm curious to see what the response is:

Does love exist in a romantic capacity? Explain why.
Be sure to factor in stuff like the friend zone and all that.

I personally don't think it does, since half of all marriages end in divorce and most couples break up.
And you know, people get real boring to one another real fast.

Just curious to see what you all think.

I absolutely believe it does. However, it does not excist in every relationship and doesn't last in every relationship.

I believe one's capability to love depends on many factors. How much you love who you are contributes greatly. A great many people are incapable of (fully) loving others due to their own insecurities which they project on the other. Once they get used to the loving feeling (which numbs after a while which I'll explain seperately) they start becoming more attentive to their insecurities and put more meaning unto it. So every time their partner does something which makes them feel insecure, they love them less. They're not so much loving the other less, it's rather that their own insecurity creates this feeling and reminds them of how lowly they feel of themselves.

In my opinion, two factors contribute mainly to divorces. The first is that everything you attach meaning to has the potential to create what you consider to be good and bad emotions. The second is that every emotion you feel and become attached to slowly loses it power and causes you to want to create more of it.
Now, if you combine these two things, it automatically creates a downward spiral for anything involving negative emotions. The positive emotions you feel at first are numbed over time, negative things start to happen, they get the upper hand and before you know it you're subconsciously making your own situation worse and worse. That or all senses get so numbed you start going for the extreme so you can feel again (midlife crisis originate from this) and decide this marriage isn't for you seeing as it has numbed you.
Simple truth is that it hasn't, it was you to begin with, but because it's all happening in the unconscious, you'll blame the only thing you can see which is your dead marriage.

These attachments, these meanings, have the power to keep you from loving or can stop the love you feel. We're all trying to attach meaning to everything we see, feel, hear or think. Everything has go to have a purpose or a goal. Nothing can simple be something without us having an opinion or meaning attached to it.

For example, you might be in the greatest loving relationship you've ever been in. Everything is perfect but then, one day, your girlfriend lets one rip. In your eyes this is the most nasty ass thing she could ever do to you so you experience negative emotions, you might even have a fight over it. Now, every time she does this you'll experience these emotions more and more. The act itself is neither bad or good, it simply is. It is the meaning you've attached to it that makes it positive or negative.

Now, this is quite a silly example but it actually is all of these small things that can have a whole lot of meaning attached to it by anyone. You can attach meaning to any single thing you want which will inevitably lead to disappointment and hurt. Just think of all the people bitching about toothpaste caps not being put on, or shit not having been tidied up, etc.
People bitch about the tiniest of things and they become attached to this bitching as well. For most people it's a release since these bitching sessions mostly come from their own insecurities. The positive feelings of love numb, we have no clue how to create them again. Then our negative emtions attached to the bitching numb as well. In contrary to the feeling of love, we know exactly how to create these emotions, so we increase our bitching. We blow our miniscule problems up to extreme proportions untill the moment comes where we can't take it anymore and divorce.
We do not divorce because we've never loved, but because we've forgotten how to love and started bitching instead.

Love and life go hand in hand. Love is the main force behind life, they are pretty much the same. Both love and life flow freely and abundantly when you do not try to control the stream. All the attachments you create are like dams you build to take control. However, life is no gentle stream to be controlled. What happens when you build a dam is that life answers with a giant "Fuck You" and rises, increases in strenght and leaves nothing of the pathetic attempt you've taken to control it. What we do in response is try and build an even bigger dam which in turn gets destroyed as well.
The answer: let it all flow. Without attachment we do not care where life takes us and we end up where we belong. Withut attachement, we let love in our lifes, give out love and do not let love be diminshed by miniscule things we once decided have meaning to us.

Instead simply experience and enjoy.

I myself can speak for this. In my current relationship I've felt love the entire time. I've felt eb and flow through the relationship as my attached meaning to useless shit blocked my ability to feel love. I've had my share of fights over nothing, simply because there was meaning attached to it. I know my love for her will last an eternity if I let go of the meaning I have attached to everything I know. I'll be free to feel love, I'll be free to love and I'll be free to live life.
I'm not saying here that life has a path for us which we must all follow and which will reveal itself once we let go and surrender. However, what letting go does for us is that we start to experience what life creates instead of trying to create our own experiences based on the meanings we attach to it. This way we experience life as it is, find out what feels desirable to us and start moving towards those things. We'll start getting more of what makes us feel good based on what we experience in the moment, instead of obsessively going after what we've once been taught is what we should do. We're not upset anymore if for a moment we do not feel the the feeling we desire. We're not upset if we're not in a relationship or if we're not what other people consider to be succesful.
Just think of all the people in unhappy relationships who are too afraid to let go because people might think they're pathetic for being single. Or people that kill themselves for being unable to acquire the success they think people around them expect to acquire. None of that would happen if we would let go of meaning. We would be free to be ourselves and do what we want for our own reasons. Or for no reason at all, simply because we feel so.

Love flows abundantly in this freedom, and it's restricted in a world of meaning and attachment.

I hope that answers your question or that it might provide you with an answer about yourself you might now have thought to find.

I'm not sure if people here will have advice about this kinda thing but what the hell.

I'm a 21 year old guy and just sort of starting to deal with the fact that I'm bi in a real way. I thought I could ignore it for the longest time but I'm realizing that's not healthy or fair to myself since I openly don't see a problem with it. I've told a few friends and they've taken it really well so that's not really an issue for me so far.

Basically, I have no clue how to meet a guy I would actually be interested in and no clue how to approach it even if I do. I'm not effeminate at all and judging by the reactions I've gotten when I've come out to people I guess my "gay side" (for lack of a better term) isn't an obvious thing. I'm also not into effeminate guys, if I were I doubt I would still be into girls at all if that makes sense. So basically my point is that when I'm attracted to a guy they end up either being straight or hard to distinguish from straight guys, and they wouldn't be likely to spot and approach me either even if they were gay/bi. Perfect example being last night when I got super hammered and straight up asked a cool guy I'd met out, only to have him be straight...

I'm really not into the idea of pretending to be into some typically perceived gay thing (fashion stuff I guess?) just to meet people since I'm not sure if I would even be into those guys... But at the same time I want to actually explore this shit and not just continue ignoring it, I feel like I may actually enjoy being in a gay couple more then a straight one at the end of the day.

I don't know if anyone here has some advice on this but I would appreciate it if you do... I've kind of tired of making a fool of myself.

At 1/27/13 03:01 PM, selena wrote: Use a dating site. People underestimate the power of these.. They have sites for all races and relationship types. Have you tried one?

This. Also if you go to college, your school might have a GSA. If you're not too shy you could also try gay bars or something. I know that they're associated with the stereotypical flamboyant guys that you're not interested in meeting, but you won't know what the crowd is like until you go and at least there's a guarantee that the guys are actually gay/bi.

At 1/27/13 03:01 PM, selena wrote:

At 1/26/13 10:28 PM, the-goatman wrote: I don't know if anyone here has some advice on this but I would appreciate it if you do... I've kind of tired of making a fool of myself.

Use a dating site. People underestimate the power of these.. They have sites for all races and relationship types. Have you tried one?

That suggestion feels really weird to me, maybe just cause I associate dating sites with old people with too many cats. Do younger people even use those kinds of things?

At 1/27/13 04:22 PM, the-goatman wrote: That suggestion feels really weird to me, maybe just cause I associate dating sites with old people with too many cats. Do younger people even use those kinds of things?

I know a guy that uses dating sites for almost the exact same reason as you. That's how he found his current boyfriend.
There is sort of a stigma associated with them but young people definitely use them.

At 1/27/13 03:01 PM, selena wrote: Use a dating site. People underestimate the power of these.. They have sites for all races and relationship types. Have you tried one?

I have always been sceptical about the use of online dating services but they seem to be growing in popularity. I have never tried one but I know plenty of people who have and are very satisfied with the services provided.

So, advice guys?

I've been talking to a friend of mine, V, for a long time. We've always been very close friends, from the time she moved to my school my junior year to even after she left for colorado. If I wasn't a fucking moron and tried to stay in my long distance relationship I would have asked her out, but that's a different story for a different day.

I've wanted this girl since the day I laid eyes on her, and I've been kicking myself almost every day for not manning up, dumping that dumb bitch of an ex and taking a chance with V. But, whatever.

She ends up marrying some prick and moving to colorado. A lot of our conversations are about how she feels lonely, how she regrets some of the decisions she made with him and her just wondering why she's still with him. I ask her all the time what she sees in him and she can never really give a good answer. They live together but she almost never sees him. He'll come home then just head out to smoke with his friends or go to parties while she just stays at home doing nothing all day.

He's very distrusting, though he's cheated on her and lied to her on several occasions. There's been a few times where me and V were talking and he'd force her to quit talking to me. They constantly fight, they barely talk and he hasn't hit her, but has grabbed her and forced her to just lay there while he yells at her. She thinks that she can change this somehow and always says that this is just a part of him and what not.

About a month ago I told her about my feelings for her, and she told me she's always liked me and how she wondered why I never took the chance to ask her out. Every time he's gone we have a more open conversation, maybe about my feelings for her, her feelings for me, how things used to be when she was over here, how she can't stand how her current relationship is, etc etc. Obviously we're good friends so whenever I tell her about a girl I'm maybe trying to talk to or I'm interested in she always seems to get a little sad and she never really wants to talk about it much.

We've always talked about being able to see each other again, and how we'd love to just be able to hang out one more time at least. Since I filed my taxes and I'm getting a decent return, I told her I was planning on a trip where I could come down and see her. V and I are both really excited about this. She's been trying to find a hotel for me and we've been planning all sorts of things to do for the time we'll have. Going to dinner, seeing a movie at the theater, having a movie night at the hotel with some movies she and I will both bring, etc.

The other day when we were talking I told her I still wanted her. She just seemed sad and just mentioned her marriage but she also said she wished things turned out different. I asked if she still wanted me to come over and visit knowing how I felt, and she said yes. But she also said not to tempt her.

Everything leading up to this point and that sentence makes me feel that she wants out, that she wants something more. She always says how she just has to settle for what she has, that she deserves more but it's too late, etc etc. I've told her a lot that she doesn't have to settle for less, that she can actually be happy with someone else, she could find better, and she said she wanted to, but the guy would just try to make her life hell. They've already talked about a divorce, he said that he'd never sign the papers and he'd never let her leave him.

I told her I was sort of sad that I couldn't have her, and how I didn't know if I'd feel the way I do about her with another girl. She told me not to worry. She promised that no matter what, at the very least she'd be mine 'in spirit. In mind. In a different world.'

I'm visiting her this upcoming Tuesday and staying til Thursday. She picked those days because her husband works those days and he's never home during the week anyways.

So, uh, you know. What should I think of all this? Does she feel the way I think she does? Am I an idiot for thinking this way? Would it be wrong to break up their marriage? Do I even have a chance?

I want to go regardless of if I can get her cause I mean, I'm gonna be in vacation in Colorado so why not right? But I really want to build something with her, so, I guess I'd like any advice I can get.

tl;dr I want a girl that's married to a prick, we both have feelings for each other and I'm going to see her Tuesday. halp

At 3/7/13 01:20 AM, Penrodeo wrote: So, uh, you know. What should I think of all this? Does she feel the way I think she does? Am I an idiot for thinking this way? Would it be wrong to break up their marriage? Do I even have a chance?

No, you're not an idiot at all but you missed your real chance with her and now that she is married, I don't see much of an opportunity for you. She may talk about how her life sucks and wishes it turned out differently but she does not appear to be very motivated to change her life. If you get involved, you would be getting in the middle of her marriage and if her husband finds out, it is only rational and logical to assume he won't be happy and he'll come after you. Is it worth it to get yourself into this girl's already complicated marriage without knowing if she really likes you? You mentioned she said she likes you but it seems more like you have been friend zoned. Have you two ever gotten intimate with each other?

I think you would be wasting your time with her and your only real opportunity with her is if she gets divorced but otherwise I would suggest your place your attention elsewhere, perhaps finding girls that aren't married.

At 3/7/13 01:20 AM, Penrodeo wrote:

I'm assuming she's the same age as you are first off. Her situation doesn't sound good but I think you have to be really fucking careful here. The guy holds her down and yells at her, he said they can't get a divorce because he won't let her? And this is just what she tells you so who knows how bad it actually is.

You seem to be thinking of yourself and what you want more then her here. You want to go there and do what? Do you plan on trying to sleep with her? Cause I guarantee when her husband finds out he will not be happy to put it lightly. Does he even know you're coming out to visit her? Because even if nothing happens between you, imagine what his reaction will be when he finds out his wife has been hanging out with a guy and keeping it secret. I mean I may be overreacting but this is exactly the shit that seems like it could push it over the edge to a physically abusive relationship.

I mean I guess your going now but I would personally stay out of it for the time being. Support her, encourage her to get marriage counseling and maybe if they do end up getting divorced you can consider the possibility of having something with her. But she is married right now and you have to accept that. Don't make things worse for her and encourage her to try to find some means to make things better, but if you actually care about her you shouldn't try to catalyze them getting broken up.

Plus your 19 man, even if this girl is special you shouldn't be holding out for her when you know she's not available. Have some fun and maybe down the road things will work out between you, but don't spend your life waiting for her.

I completely agree with Goat-man. You are taking a very big risk here, potentially triggering her husband to become physically abusive.

I understand that you feel you should act, to try and get her to see how fucked up her situation is and how much better off she would be with you. However, I doubt any of that will have any effect. Positive effect that is for a negative effect will be most likely. It's unfair to her to put her safety in danger for your own needs.

The way I see it you're better off staying in touch with her and to be there for her as a friend, to get her through this difficult time in her life. The marriage she's in is doomed to fail and is already falling apart. They've already discussed a divorce and even though he says he'll never sign, it's a strong signal it won't last very long. Besides, him refusing to sign doesn't mean they can't divorce and I doubt he'll go through the trouble of trying to find her when they do seeing as he doesn't seem to care about her right now.

For you this is a waiting game. You'll need to decide for yourself if you want to wait for her or move on. Just know that when you do move on, you have to completely forget about V as a possibility. You'll never be able to completely love another woman if you don't. Good luck man.

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