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Militarily, we kicked ass in Vietnam. The trouble was it was a political war where military success didn't necessarily mean overall victory. Besides, who said anything about "nuking the whole place to hell"?

"Saddam signed a treaty agreeing to disarm and stay out of Kuwait. So the war was over. However he has broken the treaty...”

Holy hypocrisy. The US never breaks treaties! Especially not with Bush in charge!! Certainly not treaties like um...oh...KYOTO!

Uh, we never actually ratified the Kyoto Treaty. You can't break a treaty you never ratified? If we had ratified it, our economy would be run even further into the ground and wouldn't be able to get back up.

At 11/18/02 01:03 PM, UND wrote: Militarily, we kicked ass in Vietnam. The trouble was it was a political war where military success didn't necessarily mean overall victory. Besides, who said anything about "nuking the whole place to hell"?

Dear Under-Nourished-Dimwit,

Has there ever been a war that was not politically motivated, you enormous boob? The problem is that there are enough emotionally and mentally crippled people living in America, people such as yourself, who have come to believe that 'kicking ass' means slaughtering helpless innocents half a globe away. Since when does carpet bombing a poor nation of rice farmers qualify as kicking ass?

To use a Wade metaphor (so that your gerbil brain can understand): "Duh...if your brother is like, 20 feet tall in your fambly, and uh, he punches some other guy in his head that is like, uh, 2 feet tall in their fambly...uh then...does that mean he got his ass kicked? Or is he Canadian? Huh huh."

-Gollum

Well, like I said somewhere back there, this is an endless debate among divided ethos about the state of the world and what should be done about it. Everything related to politics has many sides of interpretation.
How many different ways are there to look at 9-11? There's the kill the terrorists angle, there's the 'let's just nuke them all' angle, there's the 'we asked for this for treating other countries like shit' angle, there's the 'we trained Osama to do this -- we make our own enemies' angle, there's the 'our government let it happen so Bush could have a Pearl Harbor to retaliate against' angle, there's the 'someone else actually did it' angle, there's the 'we're using this as an excuse to gain control of the oil-rich middle east' angle, there's the 'we're being conned into giving up our civil liberties' angle, and on and on and on.
By the way, don't go off on me about that last statement -- it was just an example. We all have our angle. A political discussion never reaches a conclusion (just like a religious argument) where one side finally says, "hey yeah, you're right! I'll change my ways immediately!".
So -- with all of us divided into our little factions, there's only one way to see who's right.
TIME WILL TELL.
And I must say, I don't necessarily want to win this discussion, because I have a grim view of politics these days.

What I suggest is for all of us to be open to each other's opinions. The truth probably sits somewhere in the middle, don't you think?

Dear Under-Nourished-Dimwit,

Has there ever been a war that was not politically motivated, you enormous boob? The problem is that there are enough emotionally and mentally crippled people living in America, people such as yourself, who have come to believe that 'kicking ass' means slaughtering helpless innocents half a globe away. Since when does carpet bombing a poor nation of rice farmers qualify as kicking ass?

To use a Wade metaphor (so that your gerbil brain can understand): "Duh...if your brother is like, 20 feet tall in your fambly, and uh, he punches some other guy in his head that is like, uh, 2 feet tall in their fambly...uh then...does that mean he got his ass kicked? Or is he Canadian? Huh huh."

-Gollum

Thanks Gollum, your previous post to Wade which was full of faulty logic and pathetic insults may have been able to convince a few people that you actually had a point. However, I believe those few people who agreed with you at all will realize just how much of an idiot you are with this post.

No argument Wade has made yet even vaguely resembles the one you are trying to mock him with, and therefore not only is it not effective for your cause, its not even funny.

Heres an example of an argument you would make:
"You mentally retarded chimp, the US is wrong in invading Iraq becuase the US has a government which is lying. If you want proof that the US government is evil than just look at Richard Nixon, he was president and he was a known liar. If you weren't an anal mongoloid you would have known that."

The Gollum basic argument form is one in which you give a random insult to someone you disagree with. After building on that solid foundation you then get into the heart of your argument- making historical references which have no bearing on the present situation, and are usually FALSE! (your accusation of the US breaking the Kyoto treaty, which wasn't even ratified!) You'll proceed with one or two more of these "historical" references, and then follow it up with another immature insult.

So now that all you kids at home have read this, you can make your very own Gollum Argument!

And not that it has anything to do with the topic at hand, but in Vietnam, the US killed more Vietcong than the Vietcong killed of us by a large margin. Yes, that does mean militarily kicking ass as the "undernourished dimwit" you are referring to said.

not that I actually bothered reading more than 5 posts, and not that I actually understand what the topic is (why is it that whenever Americans get political Vietnam pops up?), but... just wanted to say that one of my linguistic profs wrote an introduction to Noam Chomsky's latest book, which I find pretty wicked. So... I've almost met Chomsky, haven't I? (and if I'm gonna make a point I suppose it's "don't discuss US foreign policy if you haven't read loads by that wicked bloke"). um.

Thanks Gollum, your previous post to Wade which was full of faulty logic and pathetic insults may have been able to convince a few people that you actually had a point. However, I believe those few people who agreed with you at all will realize just how much of an idiot you are with this post.

My previous post to Wade was full of scathingly insightful logic, and blistering insults. Those many people who embrace my philosophy of ridiculing idiocy rejoiced then, and will rejoice now--when I proceed to do the same with you.

No argument Wade has made yet even vaguely resembles the one you are trying to mock him with, and therefore not only is it not effective for your cause, its not even funny.

Moronic-abortion-that-somehow-lived: My example of a Wade-style argument was not only humorous and accurate, it was entirely too generous and dulcet. Unfortunately, this text-based medium does not allow me to faithfully reproduce the kind of drooling that accompanies the likes of Wade, George Bush, and yourself whenever you try to engage in any kind of debate.

Heres an example of an argument you would make:
"You mentally retarded chimp, the US is wrong in invading Iraq becuase the US has a government which is lying. If you want proof that the US government is evil than just look at Richard Nixon, he was president and he was a known liar. If you weren't an anal mongoloid you would have known that."

Here's a better example: You dubiously spawned ameoba trying to pass itself off as a human being, the US is wrong in invading Iraq because its motivations for doing so are wholly materialistic. As terrible as war is, I recognize that it's a part of human nature. What I don't recognize is the willingness of paint-chip-licking individuals (like you) to ignore the blatant hypocrisy and lies they are fed by their government in order to justify such wars.

The Gollum basic argument form is one in which you give a random insult to someone you disagree with. After building on that solid foundation you then get into the heart of your argument- making historical references which have no bearing on the present situation, and are usually FALSE! (your accusation of the US breaking the Kyoto treaty, which wasn't even ratified!) You'll proceed with one or two more of these "historical" references, and then follow it up with another immature insult.

The basic retard (or Taxman if you will) argument is to deny facts and historical references, or otherwise act oblivious to them. The US backed out of the Kyoto treaty. Why? Because we as a nation produce 1/4 of the world's fossil fuel emissions...and all those rich oil barons whose interests Dubya represents would be fucked over if we made the switch to *already existing* alternative fuel technologies that do not horribly rape the environment. You goat-bred illiterate.

So now that all you kids at home have read this, you can make your very own Gollum Argument!

This is sound advice. Be like me. Think. And insult the senselessly stupid while you're at it. They crave abuse anyway.

And not that it has anything to do with the topic at hand, but in Vietnam, the US killed more Vietcong than the Vietcong killed of us by a large margin. Yes, that does mean militarily kicking ass as the "undernourished dimwit" you are referring to said.

You should have remained a stain on your mother's panties...but as you were given life, and must burden the world with your idiocy, allow me to reply as I did to moron #1: Kicking the ass of a terribly undermatched opponent, just to flaunt one's own power...is not ass-kicking. It's called bullying. It's called cowardice. It's called reprehensible. The Vietnamese people, with all the odds against them managed to win anyway. Yes, we devastated their poor agrarian country-side with enough bombs to satisfy the kill-em-all and let God sort 'em out types...but at what price, and for fucking what? I'd call it a pyrrhic victory, only we didn't win...did we, you hapless imbecile?

-Gollum

Personally, I find it hard to make any conclusion about the Iraq conflict and in the other areas. I simply dont know enough information. Needless to say, I feel I can trust high authority to making the right decision. After all, they are high authority because the majority of us choose so. This may be ignorant of me, but at least I'm not arrogant and foolish. ;P

At 11/18/02 12:43 PM, Ninjesus wrote: I'm noticing a disturbing trend in this little thread we've got going here.

Gollum, while your post was (in my opinion) unnecessarily degrading, it was probably the most effective way to get the point across. However, Wade has also, thus far, made the most intelligent (again, only in my opinion) debate on his side of the issue to date. And you know what?

You're both right. And wrong.

"Oh my god," everyone cries, "There has to be SOMEONE in the right! There has to be SOMEONE who is fighting with the good of everyone in mind!" Keep wishing. As I have heard it put once, everyone's "circle-jerking their nuke-nuts" and the entire world's in the middle with the wads landing squarely on our heads.

In this situation, there is absolutely NOBODY who is taking part in this without a large degree of self-interest in mind. Everyone's casting about wildly, searching for a savior to bring them out of this dilemma with their morals intact. I'd wish you all good luck, if it weren't for the fact that your effort is a doomed one.

Bin Laden's act is something that by no means can be condoned. But we're no better. As recently as Vietnam, we were razing harmless peasant villages to the ground and shooting the people who came to us for help. Those who say we're better now had best find out what our bombing targets were in the last Gulf War--according to some of my Marine buddies, an apartment complex housing industrial workers who work on war machines can be considered a "military target." Families and all.

Also, note that I used the word "we" in that last paragraph. It was not our soldiers alone who committed those acts--our army is an extension of our will, a body that carries out the tasks we choose to have them perform. They pulled the trigger because we told them to. Don't shift the blame. If you say you had nothing to do with it, all the more shame on you for not making your voice louder.

We have thousands of trained snipers in all different branches of our military. If there's any one good way to take out an organization without going through thousands of carpet-bombed buildings to do it, that's it. I myself have the qualifications to enter sniper training, and if that oppurtunity were open to me I'd be glad to take it.

So how about it, little men in D.C.? How about we put down the bombs and automatic weapons and settle it discreetly--one bullet at a time?

Maybe now Wade and Gollum could forgive and forget?Or go fuck each other up the ass... its not for us Canadians to decide.

At 11/18/02 12:58 PM, UND wrote: What exactly is it that makes Bush such a "dumbass"? You don't have a shred of evidence to support that claim, all you have is what your ass monkey friends on the news say about him.

Im not saying he is a dumbass but "embetterment" isn't a word.

At 11/18/02 05:24 PM, Gollum wrote:

My previous post to Wade was full of scathingly insightful logic, and blistering insults. Those many people who embrace my philosophy of ridiculing idiocy rejoiced then, and will rejoice now--when I proceed to do the same with you.

Moronic-abortion-that-somehow-lived: My example of a Wade-style argument was not only humorous and accurate, it was entirely too generous and dulcet. Unfortunately, this text-based medium does not allow me to faithfully reproduce the kind of drooling that accompanies the likes of Wade, George Bush, and yourself whenever you try to engage in any kind of debate.

Here's a better example: You dubiously spawned ameoba trying to pass itself off as a human being, the US is wrong in invading Iraq because its motivations for doing so are wholly materialistic. As terrible as war is, I recognize that it's a part of human nature. What I don't recognize is the willingness of paint-chip-licking individuals (like you) to ignore the blatant hypocrisy and lies they are fed by their government in order to justify such wars.

The basic retard (or Taxman if you will) argument is to deny facts and historical references, or otherwise act oblivious to them. The US backed out of the Kyoto treaty. Why? Because we as a nation produce 1/4 of the world's fossil fuel emissions...and all those rich oil barons whose interests Dubya represents would be fucked over if we made the switch to *already existing* alternative fuel technologies that do not horribly rape the environment. You goat-bred illiterate.

Be like me. Think. And insult the senselessly stupid while you're at it. They crave abuse anyway.

-Gollum

Despite the fact that you were very longwinded (as you tend to be), you only produced two real points in all that drivul. Its unfortunate that they are both worthless...

1) The US did not enter the Kyoto treaty because it stood to hurt them. It was a selfish move.

First off, you said at the beginning of these posts that the United States BROKE this treaty, not that they just didn't enter it.
And yes, as you conceded, the US stood to lose quite a bit economically if they were to enter into this treaty. It is not just that entering this treaty would make the rich oil barons lose money, it would also cause many Americans to lose their jobs, and would cripple our economy.
You honestly think that the US should have entered this treaty at the cost of our economy and at the cost of our standing as the richest and most powerful country on earth? Umm... no.

Can you ever remember an empire or superpower which acted with regard to other nations in an altruistic manner? No? well why is that do you suppose? Could it be because absolute power corrupts absolutely? wow... there is a never before heard of concept.

If you look throughout history, leaders of all empires have turned out to be downright evil tyrants. This is because their unparalleled power allows them to act this way. The US, on the other hand, with its system of highly scrutinizing its leaders, has had the most altruistic government of any empire in history.
This ability to scrutinze our leaders is shown in the very subject of this thread, a letter written by a celebrity which in more eloquent terms is calling our president a jackass.
As a result of this scrutiny, the leaders of our country do a better job than any other empire of protecting the people of their nation.
Do they still make immoral choices and get away with them from time to time? Yes... This is due to the unfortunate fact that we live in the real world.

The reason worldwide leaders tend to act this way is because of another unfortunate fact- we are all human. While you enjoy sitting in your comfortable unsupervised position and criticizing our leaders for being dishonest and ego-centric, you perhaps should look at your own life. I for one, have known you for a total of 3 posts, during which you have already been caught lying once regarding this Kyoto treaty, in order that you have the upper hand in a stupid online argument!

I wonder what choice the searingly intelligent and ultra-altruistic Gollum would make if he actually stood to gain something OF VALUE from a lie!

The bottom line here is that the US, and any other country in history, would not enter into an agreement which they knew had only negative possible outcomes for their country (cases of coercion being the exception, of course). It is rediculous to criticize a leader for protecting the best interests of his country.

You have shown yourself to be a hypocritical and whiney individual, telling lies while criticizing others, and refuting others by simply calling them names.

I recommend that you try and improve your own moral judgement before criticing the judgement of others. Or for God's sake, at least be better about it... Maybe you could start by at least not lying in the very same post that you criticize the other person in, I don't know, just a thought.

No matter how "searingly brilliant" you think you are, you have no idea of the way things work. Unfortunately for you, this is the truth, and no amount of whining and name calling can change this.

(I know at the beginning of this post that I said you had made only two points in all your bullshitting, I will tear apart your other point in a later post, as for now, we have a space limit to abide by)

ah. i would write a long and intellegent post to this topic, however it is getting late. so i'll make this short.

1)if women were in higher positions, this wouldn't be happening, period.

2)Canadians, please get off your high horses. other than a few talented actors/musicians, nothing truly worthy comes from your country.

3)yes, america is not perfect. we are only 206 yrs old. what were other countries doing when they were only 200 yrs old? warring most likely. Yes this is the modern world but we're not as experienced as "jolly ole england."

4) if there was no green party, gore would have won easily. and the polls are not accurate. we did a study of this in civics. of a population of 50,000+ only a 1,000 would get polled. now, is that accurate? and if a question was oddly worded, the answers would be off. (i'd explain if i had the time)

5) i say the US should fix their messes, close up the SoA, and not help another country. if people are going to be ungrateful, then let's not bother. as for the current situation. no bombs, if it comes to war, hand to hand is always best.

6)a friend's response to the playground analogy: the US are not the bullies. rather we are the smart kid that the other's are jealous of. so we get kicked around even if we try to help. (not my op but my friend's)

flame all u like.
diana moon

At 11/19/02 03:15 AM, AniDreamer wrote: ah. i would write a long and intellegent post to this topic, however it is getting late. so i'll make this short.

1)if women were in higher positions, this wouldn't be happening, period.

First of all, don't get me started on women. Clean my friggin dishes, make me some pie and get your fat asses out from in front of the tv, ladies - the existence of Oprah doesn't mean that any of you now have some kind of intelligence worthy of leadership.

2)Canadians, please get off your high horses. other than a few talented actors/musicians, nothing truly worthy comes from your country.

How about the majority of American energy? How about training grounds for your friggin' army AND navy? Above all, how about the sense of pacifism that Canada has added to the world, probably due to the fact that we can walk down a quiet street in the city and not worry about getting shot, mugged, or raped? Americans are constantly on their high horses - maybe if you start going through life without the idea that "I am invincible" and you'll see a small shade of what it is to be Canadian.

3)yes, america is not perfect. we are only 206 yrs old. what were other countries doing when they were only 200 yrs old? warring most likely. Yes this is the modern world but we're not as experienced as "jolly ole england."

So basically, wage war on every living thing until America is officially 1000 years old... ok, that makes a lick of sense. Age is irrelevant, woman. European countries that were established 1000 years ago are still warring.

4) if there was no green party, gore would have won easily. and the polls are not accurate. we did a study of this in civics. of a population of 50,000+ only a 1,000 would get polled. now, is that accurate? and if a question was oddly worded, the answers would be off. (i'd explain if i had the time)

That's close to being true. And if Gore won, we wouldn't be having this argument because he wouldn't be pointing the missiles at every living thing.

5) i say the US should fix their messes, close up the SoA, and not help another country. if people are going to be ungrateful, then let's not bother. as for the current situation. no bombs, if it comes to war, hand to hand is always best.

Yes, the USA should fix their messes, but lets face it, every war the US has entered in the last century, they were minority players in it. Sure, you can give all that BS about how the world would have been destroyed in WW II, and how good ol' Uncle Sam saved the world. Please, please take note of the fact that American troops were nowhere fucking near to being the majority in that war, and that it was merely a leg up to aid the forces of good (a leg up that was frickin late, too)

6)a friend's response to the playground analogy: the US are not the bullies. rather we are the smart kid that the other's are jealous of. so we get kicked around even if we try to help. (not my op but my friend's)

The USA is one big bully. I merely hope that the people and the dumbassed leader understand this before more tragedies happen and Bush leads the world to death.

flame all u like.
diana moon

Look at the fucking broad picture, broad.

I had this discussion with 3 Norwegians that came into my bar. No joke. They said they are one of the luckiest countries in the world. Why? They are inconsequential. The Russians liberated Norway during World War II and were the only country they withdrew from. They didn't have anything of value to make occupation worthwhile. We joked about how we all keep hearing everyone say, "I am sick of this, I am going to Australia." This IS NOT an insult. Canadians are inconsequential. Nobody is going to invade you. You guys are there. To run on the analogy, you guys are the kids having a smoke in the parking lot while the bullies are fighting out in the yard.

By the way, it is obvious the presidential election shit is being used by a platform by both sides in this post. Though I lean on the conservative side I was not pleased with either canidate at the time. Beyond Florida there were 5 other states within 80,000 votes of each other. As someone posted earlier the truth lies in between each argument. I think what both sides refuse to admit is both their canidates sucked. This is clear fact because when was the last time the country was split this drammatically? Only in America could we get upset about which dumb little rich boy, who never worked a day in his life, will run the country. Because that is what they both are, like it or not.

Don't bother responding to Gollum. He is so obvious a brain washed Nazi sympathizer. Maybe you and your goose stepping gang may be able to start the IVth Reich down there in Argentina but we will be there to crush your sorry ass.

Hmm, I didn't mention anything about WWII and I wasn't going to. Not every american went to a crappy public school. I was taught history you know. I know what America did and didn't do to help other countries. So don't jump to conclusions that I was going to bring up that excuse. All I was saying was that we should fix our messes, like the the trouble the military has brought into Central America over the past 30 years. And not start new messes, i.e. this "war on terror" bush keep's blathering about.

As for the age comment, did i say that? Nope. I'm just saying that we're not perfect and we shouldn't be expected to be all moralistic and unselfish (though that would be nice) as other countries are. As someone else said (or maybe it was you in a previous post), this country was built on war. And sadly those tendencies haven't gone through our system. I also didn't say that we should war w/ other countries b/c of age. I've been to Hiroshima, I've seen what our nukes did. It was terrible, I would never want that to happen again.

I've never gone with "america is invcible" attitude. that's ridiculus. Just because certain individuals have that, and most of the republicans act like that does not mean the entire freaking country is like that. Though it may seem that way, the people don't have a say in the government and in the military for the fact that everyone is too fucking lazy to vote, to research and to protest. If *all* the people in america who are against this "war on terror" protested suddenly, then maybe Bush would realize "oh golly gee, maybe i'm doing something wrong."

And I don't know where YOU have been, but where I live (good old california) I CAN walk the street without worry. I have no troubles. The only true bother I have are the homeless people (but that's the same issue of the people too lazy to do anything about helping the homeless).

I do look at the big picture, and all I see are whining assholes who don't know any better.

At 11/19/02 03:15 AM, AniDreamer wrote:
1)if women were in higher positions, this wouldn't be happening, period.

2)Canadians, please get off your high horses. other than a few talented actors/musicians, nothing truly worthy comes from your country.

3)yes, america is not perfect. we are only 206 yrs old. what were other countries doing when they were only 200 yrs old? warring most likely. Yes this is the modern world but we're not as experienced as "jolly ole england."

4) if there was no green party, gore would have won easily. and the polls are not accurate. we did a study of this in civics. of a population of 50,000+ only a 1,000 would get polled. now, is that accurate? and if a question was oddly worded, the answers would be off. (i'd explain if i had the time)

5) i say the US should fix their messes, close up the SoA, and not help another country. if people are going to be ungrateful, then let's not bother. as for the current situation. no bombs, if it comes to war, hand to hand is always best.

6)a friend's response to the playground analogy: the US are not the bullies. rather we are the smart kid that the other's are jealous of. so we get kicked around even if we try to help. (not my op but my friend's)

flame all u like.
diana moon

good points but y does everyone hate Canada. I've tryed to put a stop to that but assholes (possible from Canada) keep giving ppl reasons to hate us. Plz don't stereo type Canadians (excluding Quebec). O and ur right about everything else.

At 11/19/02 03:38 AM, ludrunk wrote:

At 11/19/02 03:15 AM, AniDreamer wrote: ah. i would write a long and intellegent post to this topic, however it is getting late. so i'll make this short.

1)if women were in higher positions, this wouldn't be happening, period.

First of all, don't get me started on women. Clean my friggin dishes, make me some pie and get your fat asses out from in front of the tv, ladies - the existence of Oprah doesn't mean that any of you now have some kind of intelligence worthy of leadership.

2)Canadians, please get off your high horses. other than a few talented actors/musicians, nothing truly worthy comes from your country.

How about the majority of American energy? How about training grounds for your friggin' army AND navy? Above all, how about the sense of pacifism that Canada has added to the world, probably due to the fact that we can walk down a quiet street in the city and not worry about getting shot, mugged, or raped? Americans are constantly on their high horses - maybe if you start going through life without the idea that "I am invincible" and you'll see a small shade of what it is to be Canadian.

3)yes, america is not perfect. we are only 206 yrs old. what were other countries doing when they were only 200 yrs old? warring most likely. Yes this is the modern world but we're not as experienced as "jolly ole england."

So basically, wage war on every living thing until America is officially 1000 years old... ok, that makes a lick of sense. Age is irrelevant, woman. European countries that were established 1000 years ago are still warring.

4) if there was no green party, gore would have won easily. and the polls are not accurate. we did a study of this in civics. of a population of 50,000+ only a 1,000 would get polled. now, is that accurate? and if a question was oddly worded, the answers would be off. (i'd explain if i had the time)

That's close to being true. And if Gore won, we wouldn't be having this argument because he wouldn't be pointing the missiles at every living thing.

5) i say the US should fix their messes, close up the SoA, and not help another country. if people are going to be ungrateful, then let's not bother. as for the current situation. no bombs, if it comes to war, hand to hand is always best.

Yes, the USA should fix their messes, but lets face it, every war the US has entered in the last century, they were minority players in it. Sure, you can give all that BS about how the world would have been destroyed in WW II, and how good ol' Uncle Sam saved the world. Please, please take note of the fact that American troops were nowhere fucking near to being the majority in that war, and that it was merely a leg up to aid the forces of good (a leg up that was frickin late, too)

6)a friend's response to the playground analogy: the US are not the bullies. rather we are the smart kid that the other's are jealous of. so we get kicked around even if we try to help. (not my op but my friend's)

The USA is one big bully. I merely hope that the people and the dumbassed leader understand this before more tragedies happen and Bush leads the world to death.

flame all u like.
diana moon

Look at the fucking broad picture, broad.

c wat i mean?

If Polls are BS and Bush is really unpopular then how did the Republicans win the close senate races he campaigned for? And if you say the election is rigged, why isn't all of the house and the Senate democratic?
well?

At 11/19/02 03:38 AM, ludrunk wrote:

At 11/19/02 03:15 AM, AniDreamer wrote: ah. i would write a long and intellegent post to this topic, however it is getting late. so i'll make this short.

1)if women were in higher positions, this wouldn't be happening, period.

First of all, don't get me started on women. Clean my friggin dishes, make me some pie and get your fat asses out from in front of the tv, ladies - the existence of Oprah doesn't mean that any of you now have some kind of intelligence worthy of leadership.

2)Canadians, please get off your high horses. other than a few talented actors/musicians, nothing truly worthy comes from your country.

How about the majority of American energy? How about training grounds for your friggin' army AND navy? Above all, how about the sense of pacifism that Canada has added to the world, probably due to the fact that we can walk down a quiet street in the city and not worry about getting shot, mugged, or raped? Americans are constantly on their high horses - maybe if you start going through life without the idea that "I am invincible" and you'll see a small shade of what it is to be Canadian.

3)yes, america is not perfect. we are only 206 yrs old. what were other countries doing when they were only 200 yrs old? warring most likely. Yes this is the modern world but we're not as experienced as "jolly ole england."

So basically, wage war on every living thing until America is officially 1000 years old... ok, that makes a lick of sense. Age is irrelevant, woman. European countries that were established 1000 years ago are still warring.

4) if there was no green party, gore would have won easily. and the polls are not accurate. we did a study of this in civics. of a population of 50,000+ only a 1,000 would get polled. now, is that accurate? and if a question was oddly worded, the answers would be off. (i'd explain if i had the time)

That's close to being true. And if Gore won, we wouldn't be having this argument because he wouldn't be pointing the missiles at every living thing.

5) i say the US should fix their messes, close up the SoA, and not help another country. if people are going to be ungrateful, then let's not bother. as for the current situation. no bombs, if it comes to war, hand to hand is always best.

Yes, the USA should fix their messes, but lets face it, every war the US has entered in the last century, they were minority players in it. Sure, you can give all that BS about how the world would have been destroyed in WW II, and how good ol' Uncle Sam saved the world. Please, please take note of the fact that American troops were nowhere fucking near to being the majority in that war, and that it was merely a leg up to aid the forces of good (a leg up that was frickin late, too)

wow. At the end of WW2 the only remaining soldiers of any value were the Americans, the British, the Austrailians and the Canadians. (In order of relevence). The US could have stopped Hitler in the Atlantic becuase his submarines were nearly useless when we came in. (American ingenuity devoloping detection techniques). If the Japanese weren't scared of us then they wouldn't have tried to destroy the American fleet at Pearl Harbor. The main reason we didn't jump in as soon as Hitler invaded Poland was because it was NONE OF OUR DAMN BUSINESS, and becuase Europe shafted us after we loaned them funds during and after WW1. (I believe Denmark was they only one who had paid us back.)

6)a friend's response to the playground analogy: the US are not the bullies. rather we are the smart kid that the other's are jealous of. so we get kicked around even if we try to help. (not my op but my friend's)

The USA is one big bully. I merely hope that the people and the dumbassed leader understand this before more tragedies happen and Bush leads the world to death.

The US acts as the request of the UN 99.9% of the time.
Bill Clinton said something to the effect that we had no business in Bosnia but the UN said go and we went.

flame all u like.
diana moon

Look at the fucking broad picture, broad.

Now your history

You know what? Before this topic came about, I never met a Canadian I didn't like. And I've met many. They always seem to be quirky and nice. I had *no* idea that lots of Canadians (and not just at NG.com) hate America. That I can honestly say has opened my eyes, on our northern neighbors. It just doesn't make any sense. So thank you, I now know how ugly Canadians are. (and i don't mean physically)

Okay, that's all I have to say on this topic. Despite some anal retentive idiots there were some good and informative posts.

Wow... looks like I finally shut Gollum up :)
Thats a nice thing to see... both him admitting defeat, and noone else having to read his stupid ass posts!

Fuck Shean Penn I hope he gets hit by a nuke.

Fuck corporate America....Fuck it! Bush should be smacked in his damn face and spit on.

At 11/19/02 09:29 PM, AniDreamer wrote: You know what? Before this topic came about, I never met a Canadian I didn't like. And I've met many. They always seem to be quirky and nice. I had *no* idea that lots of Canadians (and not just at NG.com) hate America. That I can honestly say has opened my eyes, on our northern neighbors. It just doesn't make any sense. So thank you, I now know how ugly Canadians are. (and i don't mean physically)

Okay, that's all I have to say on this topic. Despite some anal retentive idiots there were some good and informative posts.

seriously leave Canada out of this

well regarding the comment on bush being a dumbass id say his coke habits fried his brain like his happy pretzle caper or the fact he was having children read to him rather him to them or his rather juicy tidbits of intelligence such as "fool me once shame on you fool me twice..um..er..cant fool me again" among many many other famous qoutes that only the stupidest man on earth could blunder

its simple you have the 911 incident so now bush*the cause* is now our savior and since he was hellbent on going to war to make sure he would be reelected due to peoples fear of changing presidents mid war as for the mid terms you got the white house and all backing the republican side as well as billion doller industries while the democrats and others are too scared to go against the bush administration i men theres endless facts they could drop on the republicans including treason and exloitation of american casualties but nobody will talk about that because the news wont say it in fear of repricutions from there parent companies as well as from the administration so the democrats and others just sit with there thumbs up there asses and dont even bother to advertise themselfs i mean i saw at least a republican ad or mud sling every night at least 3 or 4 times a night i saw a democrat ad mabey once a week at around mabey 11 pm you do thte math

in terms of power your damn right the us as well as a multi national *illegal* invasion of a soverien country which by the un's own charter is a serious violation and would end up taking bush to the court over war crimes had we not been the most powerful country on the planet the scale of might in a war against a though quiet rich country oil wise*you notice all the axis of evil just happens to be the points of global economic control? afganistan for a launch platform for all points or eurasia and iraq for the largest oil fields on earth as well as easy access to neighboring countries oil which well take the moment they look at us badly or just not give it to us* anywho back to my point of terms of power iraqs military is just round vietnam war era stuff and much is broke or easily damaged by the harsh weather of the desert such as the AK lil sand makes it useless a great choice of weapon for a desert fight:| and there aircraft are throw aways from the korea war there tanks are also ww2 to vietnam era technology as for the troops there only motivation to fight is fight the americans or we kill your family so moment we shoot at them bout half surrender and our military is the highest funded on the planet as well as just got a huge boost so we have the most up to date weapons as well as the capability to kill basically every major instillation and troop buildup without sending one soldier so basically its battlemechs VS cavemen yes the odds are sooo in favor of saddam hes such a threat considering his lack of icbms our spossed anti nuclear capabilities that bush spent over 700 billion funding round the beggining of his term*you all remeber the redoing of the starwars program dont ya, where all the money go why we see no progress???* if its nukes in the states then all this is false security you go to what used to be the soviet union and one of its desperate military run subcountries and put out a few mill you can buy fully functional warheads and smuggle them into the usa*oh comeon i smuggle shit across the mexican border CONSTANTLY you just go by boat theres the basic harbor patrol as well as the coast gaurd both will ignore you if you got a us flag ang look legitamit*

jesus christ sorry bout the grammer and spelling im tired im alil ill and i been up for 3 days working on a game i wanna make for newgrounds that so far is so damn big and long its already about 45 min long and over 30 meg and im still waiting on a reply regarding creating an hp system:|