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Yeah, but you know what? Continuing to maintain support of the common American viewpoint that "We are the most powerful nation in the world, fuck eberybody else" is going to result in the U.S getting the living fuck bombed out of it, and millions if not billions of innocent lives being lost out of the developing American tyranny. True, it isn't that bad yet, but look what happened after Sept. 11. Although it was an extremely tragic event, almost all people in the nation took to finding the first group available to blame in order to justify the attack and maintain the secure belief that Uncle Sam will pull our sorry asses out of the fire because "we've got the bombs." Sorry to say, people, but if this keeps up, the U.S.A. will be the instigator of WW III, not Al-Qaeda, not Iraq, and of course, not Germany.


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For the Canadian posters, can I point out that your country and ours has the longest undefended border in the WORLD. The last invasion by either country goes back to the 1700's(French/Indian War). If we were the biggest assholes on the planet wouldn't we just absorb your country?

I am a student of history. Once again the United States IS NOT a perfect country. There has NEVER been a perfect country. As "super powers" go through out history we are the most benevolent. May I point out to two points of evidence.

Germany: A nation run by the most despicaple group in human history. After defeating it, with our ALLIES, we rebuilt the nation, punished those AND ONLY THOSE who committed or let attrocities against innocents(Jews, Russians, Poles, Czechs, and everyone else that got tossed in the ethnic cleansing game) How is Germany doing today as a sovereign nation? I would bet it is the strongest it has ever been as a society.

Japan: A nation that had the archaic thought that it's leader was a "god on earth." AT THE TIME, a nation that would fight to the last, that had never been conquered in known history. A nation that attacked the United States/Britain/China/Australia/etc..., committed attrocities to civilians and prisoners the like of their Nazi counterparts. This is a nation that told it's own people the allies were canibles. When Okinawa was invaded women were tossing themselves from cliffs with their children rather than be captured. They almost didn't surrender after being overwhelmed by two nuclear bombs. How are they doing as a nation? We are so oppressive that General Douglas MacArthur, allied supreme commander, is referred to as "kind father." They were horrified that he was fired by Truman during MacArthur's arrogant defiance of the president.

Once again we are not a perfect nation. Saddam is this generations Hitler. There is no two ways about it. Look at his track record with his neighbors. (Iran, Kuwait, Saudia Arabia, the Kurds, etc....) I believe with the help of the free world Iraq can be rebuilt and be as strong a sovereign nation as Japan and Germany and HOPEFULLY, a stabilizing force for a region that has been embroiled in hell for 50+ years.


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The citizens of Iraq are good people ruled by a dictator under a totalitarian military regime. The United States is planning on reinstalling a new government altogether in Iraq, not just killing Sadam and leaving. Its not necessary to nuke the entire country to hell to get what we want done. It is not a country made up of terrorists, they just have one who happens to be in charge. Once that regime falls it will never be a threat again.

Didn't the US try this before? Vietnam springs to mind and we all know what a resounding success that was.


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Many of which are Canadians and Europeans in the first place! Like THEIR opinion matters!...)

What a twat.


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Ya ok........ Im Not Goona Waste My Time Reading All Of That Shit!


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.......another drug seasoned madonna-fucker who is clueless, actually sean and bush are both idiots.......

Sean Penn's letter to G.W. Bush


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george Bush rulz cuz i am a texan.

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At 11/17/02 08:26 AM, Madgoose wrote: For the Canadian posters, can I point out that your country and ours has the longest undefended border in the WORLD. The last invasion by either country goes back to the 1700's(French/Indian War). If we were the biggest assholes on the planet wouldn't we just absorb your country?

I am a student of history. Once again the United States IS NOT a perfect country. There has NEVER been a perfect country. As "super powers" go through out history we are the most benevolent. May I point out to two points of evidence.

Germany: A nation run by the most despicaple group in human history. After defeating it, with our ALLIES, we rebuilt the nation, punished those AND ONLY THOSE who committed or let attrocities against innocents(Jews, Russians, Poles, Czechs, and everyone else that got tossed in the ethnic cleansing game) How is Germany doing today as a sovereign nation? I would bet it is the strongest it has ever been as a society.

Japan: A nation that had the archaic thought that it's leader was a "god on earth." AT THE TIME, a nation that would fight to the last, that had never been conquered in known history. A nation that attacked the United States/Britain/China/Australia/etc..., committed attrocities to civilians and prisoners the like of their Nazi counterparts. This is a nation that told it's own people the allies were canibles. When Okinawa was invaded women were tossing themselves from cliffs with their children rather than be captured. They almost didn't surrender after being overwhelmed by two nuclear bombs. How are they doing as a nation? We are so oppressive that General Douglas MacArthur, allied supreme commander, is referred to as "kind father." They were horrified that he was fired by Truman during MacArthur's arrogant defiance of the president.

Once again we are not a perfect nation. Saddam is this generations Hitler. There is no two ways about it. Look at his track record with his neighbors. (Iran, Kuwait, Saudia Arabia, the Kurds, etc....) I believe with the help of the free world Iraq can be rebuilt and be as strong a sovereign nation as Japan and Germany and HOPEFULLY, a stabilizing force for a region that has been embroiled in hell for 50+ years.

- If you were a student of history, you'd know that the last border invasion was actually in 1812, when the U.S. Army tried (and failed) to take the Canadian colonies by force.
- As for Germany, it has regained much strength as an independent society, but a lot of people would also say that Germany was at its best during the pre WWII era, when Hitler was slowly generating large amounts of support from free-willed citizens. True, his approval rating in 1932 was only about 33%, but that rose by incredible amounts in just 5 years until he had almost 90% support in a vote BEFORE he imposed terror on his country.
- I don't point out these mistakes to be an asshole, but rather to use these examples to have you look at the current situation in a different light.
- There is no question in my mind that Saddam is an evil man. Using his people as human shields and so forth does not make a leader. But the arrogance of George Dubya is absolutely baffling. He refuses to accept the conditional surrender and unconditional weapons inspections offered by Saddam to the UN, opting to call it a 'stalling tactic.' While Hussein is and may very well be a maniacal villain in the futire, it seems to me that the man about to cross the line and become this generation's Hitler is none other than Bush himself. I mean, this guy is willing to nuke anybody that shows the slightest possibility of a possibility that they will not support the United States' rulings of other nations. If this continues, he could jeopardize the entire world as we know it.
- I agree with Mr. Penn in that Bush should take a page out of JFK's book and offer an olive branch of peace rather than threaten with an iron-clad fist.


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At 11/14/02 04:47 PM is there anything good on television? =/

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At 11/16/02 04:52 AM, Daxson wrote: Frankly, I dun give a damn...Plus, i didnt read that stupid article cuz IT WUZ TOO LONG!!!
Why couldnt you just have made a summary for those who have better things to do than waste time reading that article???

I don't have a problem with DBZ but how is that more inportant then bombing ppl?


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Madgoose is right. Except Saddam may or may not be the 3rd anti christ.(1st Napolean,2nd Hitler) Nostradamus says that "Mabus" is the 3rd anti christ. Philosiphers believe that if MABUS is an anigram it could be Yasser Arifat,Usama Bin Laden,or Papa something or other. If ne 1 knows WTF im talking a boot plz speak up


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At 11/16/02 11:07 PM, Dobio wrote:

If they get Sadam, then someone else will take over. The only way Iraq will stop being a threat is if Bush nukes Iraq until it becomes a crater.

Ok, of course somebody else is going to take power. The U.S. will probably choose somebody to be in power. It will probably one of our Allie's near Iraq that is like a vice. pres or something in one of them countries. Nuking the shit out of them will help nobody! ok.
p.s.- I am typing in EarthCrisis and putting in my password and its saying earthcrisis9101 is not a user. I'm all like duh! I changed it to earthcrisis and I can no longer post with out the fucking error popping the hell up!
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At 11/17/02 09:29 AM, Ratboy1664 wrote: Many of which are Canadians and Europeans in the first place! Like THEIR opinion matters!...)

What a twat.

I'm Canadian and its true its not our call


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At 11/17/02 01:29 PM, JoeisCooler wrote: george Bush rulz cuz i am a texan.

Good job : )


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At 11/17/02 11:53 AM, Superstar_69 wrote: Wade, I love you! Your intelligence turns me on ;)

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How about someone post a new topic on the front page, this topic just pisses me off.


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At 11/17/02 11:28 AM, TheStyle wrote: Ya ok........ Im Not Goona Waste My Time Reading All Of That Shit!

Your lack of intulectual interest embarases me...why have you even been allowed to live?


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Wade,

You are a fucking mongoloid...and I can prove why.

"He's most likely dead. If not, his organization has been scrambled and weakend. Bush said from day 1 that the war on terror could take many years and there may be things they can't tell us...”

You simpleton. 'Bush said.' Bush's head is even farther up his ass than yours is...that's why all his speech comes out garbled and retarded sounding. Of course it's your privilege as an American to believe the shit he spews from his lips, but it doesn't say much for your intelligence. How is it in Bush's interests, or the politically controlled news media in this country, to tell you the truth? To tell you how their objective failed? How they made a mess of things, and alienated half the world with their military blundering? Hmm? I am telling you that you're retarded. Why won't you believe me?

"Saddam signed a treaty agreeing to disarm and stay out of Kuwait. So the war was over. However he has broken the treaty...”

Holy hypocrisy. The US never breaks treaties! Especially not with Bush in charge!! Certainly not treaties like um...oh...KYOTO! What an outrage that Saddam should refuse disarmament when we the US, by contrast, have always been so very much in favor of it! Try, difficult as it is for your puny pea-sized brain, to grasp my sarcasm.

"...They decided we shouldn't have our spies associating with scum of the earth people and paying these scum bags for info, when infact that's exactly what we should have been doing and have done in the past to get good intelligence."

Actually, you poorly informed twit, what we should have done was accept the offer of a small African nation for an exchange of information about Bin Laden's terrorist activities. At the time though, we were busy being hard-asses (as usual) and flouting our bully ways over this nation--so the Al Queda captive they'd been holding for us was released by their (rightly) disgusted administration. Our superbly funded CIA chose not to take them up on this offer...one of many bloopers in their long history of (laugh) 'intelligence.'

"...the main reason for Al Quada attacking us is religious. They hate our culture. They hate the fact women can work and be sex. They hate everything we stand for and are declaring a holy war against us. It's only because of a group of extreme fanatics that have brainwashed enough of their followers to convince them to die for their religion. They believe they will have a better life with Allah if they die in a holy war. These people are nuts!"

You're nuts. No, that's way too generous. You're stupid. These people are people, and the same as people anywhere they do not appreciate economic and military oppression in their region. Their methods may be monstrous (let us say, *are* monstrous), but what are their options? We have the mightiest military force in the world, as we're always so eager to demonstrate upon them, and they have what? A few people desperate enough to strap explosives to their chest is what. Self-defense is what they're practicing...in the most pathetic way imagineable. What happened at the WTC was tragic, yes...but you know what? Third world nations deal with that kind of tragedy not once every fifty years, but once every other week. The only difference is the news here doesn't bother making mention of it.

"What we want is to liberate Iraq...He is a tyrantical dictator who makes his citizens lives miserable...Bush is working with the UN and the rest of the world to see to it Saddam changes his tune, or the world will force him to chance...It's most of the civilized world going along with us..."

Please. At this point your retardation has become almost inaddressable, but I'll try just the same: We want to liberate Iraq's oil maybe...our country's interest in the Iraqi people is about as humanitarian and honest as it was for the Vietnamese and the Nicaraguans (just to name a couple). How often have those UN inspectors dropped by Nevada, demanding access to US military facilities? Not too often I bet. What gives the US the right to police the world? As for the rest of civilization being on our side, nothing could be further from the truth. Tony Blair, our fucking cum-soaked sock puppet is on our side, along with neo fascists from Italy and Spain.

"America was a peaceful nation until Japan decided to bomb Pearl Harbor and we entered the war...

...You...amazingly ignorant fucktard. You may know your way around flash, but you seem to know fuck-all about anything else. The US a peaceful nation until WWII?! Aren't you forgetting Native Americans? They sure got shown a lot of peacefulness...mostly in the form of small-pox infected blankets you absolute twit. But as if that weren't enough...there was that whole business with Mexico (we like to call it Texas now), the French, our very own home-cooked civil war, and countless other conflicts. Go read a history book you miserable excuse for a steaming heap of shit. This nation was build on blood. Did I mention you were retarded?

"Okay, but what if you didn't push anyone around. Say someone else in your family did. Are you going to let someone come take sucker punches at your family because someone else made a mistake or pissed someone off?”

You reason like a child, because you are a child. A hopelessly retarded one.

"Bush II didn't piss off these people, previous administrations may have...The American citizens never meant to piss someone off."

Here you show some iota of sense. The American people are not entirely to blame for the despotic actions of their dictators, oh excuse me, elected officials. We can perhaps be faulted for not reacting more strongly towards having a chimpanzee in the White House (an election stealing chimpanzee no less), but I don't think we can all be collectively held to blame for decades of abusive policy-making and warmongering...A proud tradition that Shrub is only too happy to continue.

On a final note we make a very big stink about the potential threat of Saddam Hussein, about how he must be prevented from acquiring nuclear technology and other weapons of mass destruction, because he's such a fucking madman, and he'd surely let nukes rip left and right...but here's your pop quiz Wade, dull-as-a-spade, Fulp...can you name the only nation in the history of this sorry world to have employed a nuclear weapon in an act of war or aggression?

-Gollum.


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At 11/15/02 07:28 AM, WadeFulp wrote:
At 11/14/02 10:38 PM, ViperMask wrote:
I'm sure Bush can understand his letter and all the big words. Bush just has trouble saying those big words. Stephen Hawking can't talk, but he's one of the smartest people on this planet. So are you against people with disibilities? The sad part is you people can only make fun of irrelevant things and not come up with any legitimate points based on facts.

You're asking for facts? I haven't heard any 'facts' from you -- unless claiming that the population of Canada are entirely comprised of 'pussies' who would take it in the ass rather than fight for their family (or whatever you were ranting). And what the fuck is a comparison of Stephen Hawking and George Bush Jr. supposed to prove? Hawking has proven his genius time and again, against a crippling disibility. Bush has proved that he can take stern pictures of his fucking profile when he's about to fuck some other country up the ass. He's cooperating with the U.N. NOW, but you can almost FEEL how desperately he wants to send in the bombs.
He's hoping to make money out of this deal while also gaining the blind Nazi patriotism of the American people. He's doing it for money, for Daddy, for the Bush family, for the Republican agenda -- in my opinion, I'll grant you that.
As a matter of fact -- I'm not saying I have the facts. My conclusions are based on what I see and read, and my gut feeling. In my life, there have been no good presidents. Not one. Not Democrat, not Republican. Bush is an ex cokehead who emptied the money surplus of Texas when he was Governer there, and now, as president, he's emptied the national surplus all in order to kiss our asses for the short term. He's doing something fucked up, which may or may not come out in the news as a major story; there may or may not be a mock televised trial with a puppet court and a lot of patriotic bullshit that doesn't mean a thing. It's always this, over and over. I'm sick of it. It's fucked.
And all we can do is sit and watch it unfold, because we've been successfully divided into two giant rant camps.
I, for one, am fucking sick of this bullshit.
I'm sorry for losing my main point -- it's simply this.
No one us know the facts. That's the problem. For whatever reasons, they don't want us to have them.
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In a fantasy world, taking it up the ass and not doing anything about it would make USA superior and brings all the victims of terrorism back to life.

In a fantasy world the USA government would have ESP and be able to protect us from terrorists without goign out and fighting them.

I can go on and on. But guess what dumbshits (anti-terror war self-righteous morons)? last time i checked we aren't in a perfect world. Do any of your dipshits remember the giant fucking reality check we received?

9.11.01 ring a bell?

BTW here are some more facts of life...

in a fantasy world making guns illegal would stop all gun deaths forever. in the real world, you'd have to be a moron to believe that.

in a fantasy world, stereotypes would be true. In the real world they aren't.

In a fantasy world liberals would be right and communism would work.


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I'm noticing a disturbing trend in this little thread we've got going here.

Gollum, while your post was (in my opinion) unnecessarily degrading, it was probably the most effective way to get the point across. However, Wade has also, thus far, made the most intelligent (again, only in my opinion) debate on his side of the issue to date. And you know what?

You're both right. And wrong.

"Oh my god," everyone cries, "There has to be SOMEONE in the right! There has to be SOMEONE who is fighting with the good of everyone in mind!" Keep wishing. As I have heard it put once, everyone's "circle-jerking their nuke-nuts" and the entire world's in the middle with the wads landing squarely on our heads.

In this situation, there is absolutely NOBODY who is taking part in this without a large degree of self-interest in mind. Everyone's casting about wildly, searching for a savior to bring them out of this dilemma with their morals intact. I'd wish you all good luck, if it weren't for the fact that your effort is a doomed one.

Bin Laden's act is something that by no means can be condoned. But we're no better. As recently as Vietnam, we were razing harmless peasant villages to the ground and shooting the people who came to us for help. Those who say we're better now had best find out what our bombing targets were in the last Gulf War--according to some of my Marine buddies, an apartment complex housing industrial workers who work on war machines can be considered a "military target." Families and all.

Also, note that I used the word "we" in that last paragraph. It was not our soldiers alone who committed those acts--our army is an extension of our will, a body that carries out the tasks we choose to have them perform. They pulled the trigger because we told them to. Don't shift the blame. If you say you had nothing to do with it, all the more shame on you for not making your voice louder.

We have thousands of trained snipers in all different branches of our military. If there's any one good way to take out an organization without going through thousands of carpet-bombed buildings to do it, that's it. I myself have the qualifications to enter sniper training, and if that oppurtunity were open to me I'd be glad to take it.

So how about it, little men in D.C.? How about we put down the bombs and automatic weapons and settle it discreetly--one bullet at a time?


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Gollum, by the amount of personal attacks in your post towards Wade, it sounds like he must of had something intellegent and worth debating due to the large response you gave him.


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Gollum, by the amount of personal attacks in your post towards Wade, it sounds like he must of had something intellegent and worth debating due to the large response you gave him.


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What exactly is it that makes Bush such a "dumbass"? You don't have a shred of evidence to support that claim, all you have is what your ass monkey friends on the news say about him.


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So how about you tell me a better alternative. That's right, there is no better course of action.


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