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Response to Jeff Weise's Flash Mar. 25th, 2005 @ 03:14 PM Reply

At 3/25/05 02:53 PM, jonthomson wrote:

Do you also think they should delete Livecorpse's movies?

You can't really ask that question because Livecorpse was in a whole different situation and he didn't kill any one innocent.

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Response to Jeff Weise's Flash Mar. 25th, 2005 @ 03:18 PM Reply

He shot a cop or two and stabbed someone I think, although none died, its still comparable, since people take shooting at cops seriously.

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Response to Jeff Weise's Flash Mar. 25th, 2005 @ 03:21 PM Reply

It is a horrible tragedy, to be sure, and the fact that his talent as an animator was wasted is a much lesser shame than the lives that were taken, including his own.

This kind of thing is much more personal than the thousands of people who die every day due to disease, famine, war and disaster. To suggest that a tragedy like this should be ignored because the number of casualties is so much lower strikes me as cold-hearted. We should be trying to understand the motivations and circumstances leading to these horrible acts, so that they may be prevented from happening more often.

That said, I hope that the media attention payed to this flash and to Newgrounds will not deter future submissions on the grounds that the author is fearful of being investigated. Flash media is art and censorship is the death of art.

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Response to Jeff Weise's Flash Mar. 25th, 2005 @ 03:29 PM Reply

wow i cant beleve this. i know a guy who lost one of there seblinges that day i cnt bleve it was done by this crazy kid! a ng member! its just shocking. and i was reading one post and i have to agree that this may jepordize newgrounds. a lot of over protectev moms might find the site and have it shut down. hey they did it to beavus and butt head!


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Response to Jeff Weise's Flash Mar. 25th, 2005 @ 03:32 PM Reply

At 3/25/05 02:53 PM, jonthomson wrote: Steve said it somewhere else - if people want to view it, they'll find it. The guys' NG username was posted on The Smoking Gun (and reposted on Fark, as well as other mainstream news sites) ages ago. Putting it on the front page just facilitates their finding it.

Exactly, but my point is we actually SHOULDN'T faciliate it.

Do you also think they should delete Livecorpse's movies?

No, there's a difference between violence and reality, it's only when they come together that we have to stop it, as it's the case of what we're currently debating about. This is a cheap argument, you know there's a huge difference between both authors.

At 3/25/05 02:56 PM, Earfetish wrote: Screw morals. They're too ambiguous anyway. And Newgrounds is a place to showcase your art, so I don't see why they should deleted Weise's just because he was secretly very evil.

The point is not to take all the violent content out of newgrounds, but to take out the submissions of someone who actually killed innocent people and himself. It only shows that newgrounds has absolutely no respect for the victims of the tragedy.

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Listen, what I'm mostly worried about in this whole situation, is that newgrounds gives itself by doing such a thing a really bad and sad picture. It's a big mistake to promote such a thing ... and I'm not talking about the moral reasons to avoid doing so, since nobody apparently cares about it.

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Response to Jeff Weise's Flash Mar. 25th, 2005 @ 03:33 PM Reply

At 3/25/05 03:18 PM, JusticeofSarcasm wrote: He shot a cop or two and stabbed someone I think, although none died, its still comparable, since people take shooting at cops seriously.

He stabbed the guy because it was a reflex and he shot the cop out of fear, Weise killed family members and people at school for no reason other than he was crazy, so, it is not comparible. Livecorpse didn't leave messages in his flash like Weise did.

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Response to Jeff Weise's Flash Mar. 25th, 2005 @ 03:35 PM Reply

At 3/25/05 03:29 PM, mike_peterson wrote: and i was reading one post and i have to agree that this may jepordize newgrounds. a lot of over protectev moms might find the site and have it shut down. hey they did it to beavus and butt head!

I seriously doubt this will jeopardize the state of Newgrounds. Did Columbine really jeopardize Marilyn Manson's music career? No. The band's still making music. I don't think one incident like this will effect Newgrounds too hastily.

And about the Beavis and Butthead comment, the only thing that went wrong with that was the episode where they were messing around with fire. Then a little kid was killed because her dumbass brother caught her on fire, or something around those circumstances. Beavis and Butthead was stopped by the creator's free will around 1997.

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Response to Jeff Weise's Flash Mar. 25th, 2005 @ 03:36 PM Reply

jesus crist dude i could never think of shooting myself this kid must have been really fucked up :(


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Response to Jeff Weise's Flash Mar. 25th, 2005 @ 03:40 PM Reply

Okay there are no poeple messed up in the head, they are just not the same as the majority of the people in the USA. Open your eyes people the system and the government is controlling you, just becasue the government said taht its sick and wrong to kill people doesnt mean it is, in the reality there is no righ and wrong, you just do what you got to do, if you feel like you gotta shoot people then do it, you'll get locked up for it but you did what youw anted to do, and than the government would just amke all the people hate that person because they don't want people that are not brain wahsed to spread they want to controll you and tell you this country is free, but in reality everybody in american is a pawn in the big chess game. So pleas reconsider thinking about this animation, and the author.

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Response to Jeff Weise's Flash Mar. 25th, 2005 @ 03:40 PM Reply

wate something just hit me. maby this kid wasent crazy at all maby he was smart. maby he knew that if he did all this then shot himself he would be famous and every one miss him and stuff. because i know kids who are bullyed all day and doing crazy things gets them attntion..... makes you think............


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Response to Jeff Weise's Flash Mar. 25th, 2005 @ 03:43 PM Reply

by the way does stupid moms, can't shut down this website, for shyt, even if they try with all they got, firstable it would take a long time, also all the people on this website (members) would protest againsta that, i also bet we have a lot of smart people that woldn't just let this sit get blown down because some moms are afraid their kids might kill eachother thats just stupid.

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Response to Jeff Weise's Flash Mar. 25th, 2005 @ 03:51 PM Reply

At 3/25/05 03:40 PM, hofi8 wrote: Okay there are no poeple messed up in the head, they are just not the same as the majority of the people in the USA. Open your eyes people the system and the government is controlling you, just becasue the government said taht its sick and wrong to kill people doesnt mean it is, in the reality there is no righ and wrong, you just do what you got to do, if you feel like you gotta shoot people then do it, you'll get locked up for it but you did what youw anted to do, and than the government would just amke all the people hate that person because they don't want people that are not brain wahsed to spread they want to controll you and tell you this country is free, but in reality everybody in american is a pawn in the big chess game. So pleas reconsider thinking about this animation, and the author.

Hey mister psycho, I'd prefer ten times seeing all the world brainwashed by their government than seeing them killing each other just because they "feel they have to". There are NO REASONS for killing innocent people NOT A SINGLE ONE IN HELL. You're saying so much shit, it's unbelievable, "Just because the government said that its sick and wrong to kill people doesn't mean it is" what ... the ... hell? Everyone knows it's sick AND wrong to kill people and it's not only because government said it, humankind is able of judgment you know, may be you don't, but most of the people do. Everything you said is pure bullshit, government have some good and, of course, some bad. They don't really want us to hate that guy, but of course they don't want us to act as he did, it has nothing to do with control of the populace. This kid was pretty messed up, to kill your family, innocents and yourself, you definitely have problems with yourself are confused.

What the hell is wrong with you?

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Response to Jeff Weise's Flash Mar. 25th, 2005 @ 03:51 PM Reply

At 3/25/05 03:40 PM, hofi8 wrote: Okay there are no poeple messed up in the head, they are just not the same as the majority of the people in the USA. Open your eyes people the system and the government is controlling you, just becasue the government said taht its sick and wrong to kill people doesnt mean it is

And even if they didn't say that it was wrong, doesn't mean it isn't. It's wrong and that's all there is to it. He had no reason to kill innocent people. Yea, he might of had some personal issues, but who doesn't? Just because you have problems, doesn't mean you have to kill.

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Response to Jeff Weise's Flash Mar. 25th, 2005 @ 03:58 PM Reply

At 3/25/05 03:18 PM, JusticeofSarcasm wrote: He shot a cop or two and stabbed someone I think, although none died, its still comparable, since people take shooting at cops seriously.

Im guessing NG is gonna have a hard time finding non-porn ads for a while now.

livecorpse didn't plan anything though

in jeff's msn profile it siad

Planning

hating

Waiting
and his profile was updated march16th


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Response to Jeff Weise's Flash Mar. 25th, 2005 @ 03:59 PM Reply

At 3/25/05 02:40 PM, setchen12 wrote: So you're comercializing a tragedie because there are more people visiting Newgrounds? sick.

Sick?? i don't think so. How many people profit in the world with other peoples tragedies??(USA and the war in Iraq). Of course that its a shame and i feel kinda akward with what happened but still..
Newgrounds is kinda of hard to sustain(i think) all the space required and stuff...

So he died. SO WHAT!! Many people died in Iraq and in other wars, you don´t seem sorry!! People die, it's life. If his death can Help other peoples great. at least all those people won't die in vain(but they died that way haven't them??)...

People die all the time, its life.

(Sorry if this seems hard on you people, but its what i think)

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Response to Jeff Weise's Flash Mar. 25th, 2005 @ 04:02 PM Reply

I don't think we have to worry too much about newgrounds being shut down or anything. Although tragic, there are plenty of similar things involved on the site. Even though this flash links to that school shooting, newgrounds should be fine. If noone believes me, just check out the bastards section. Plus, too many people would fight to have newgrounds stay.

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Response to Jeff Weise's Flash Mar. 25th, 2005 @ 04:05 PM Reply

is any one here from jeffs school cause if one of you are i need to ask you what he was like (crazy,nerdy,etc)


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Response to Jeff Weise's Flash Mar. 25th, 2005 @ 04:05 PM Reply

***Warning this might change your life for ever than again it might not***

Okay, its hard to understand for most of you people, but Jeff was one of the lucky man with a special or more inteligent mind, (I know you might think its crazy but read my post befor that) I red his profile and posts, everything that he worte to analyze his character, this is what I found out he's a pot head, he also has respect, he likes guns, and he is one of the lucky people that undrstand that the sytem is just not the way to live, okay to better explain what the sytem is; system is a government, suposely it should keep people in order, by telling people that their free to do all but in fact they cant do a jack shyt, system controls people tells them what to do by the power of lieing and their bigges weapon call the money, they make people like us go to school and educate ourselves for free and than work, and make you think that one day you become rich, but your just gonna stay at your dead end job make your money than become oldfart and watch tv untill you die, ooops I almost forgot tv is also one of the mind controlling devices that the government uses to brain wash us. But back to the subject Jeff realized that all that this country si amde of is bs its just crap what they tell you, your free fi you dont belive me read his review to another submission about Adolph Hitler and Christopher Columbus, okay let me go off subject now, since Jeff is an pot head, why is Marijuana illegal think about it, is it because it gets you high? What about alchohol for what i know alchohol makes you agressive, and pot makes you calm so why is alchohol leagal and pot is not? Well let me tell you, right now if we shut down all the alchohol comanies in the country theris going to an major economic crisis, which would not be good for the gov. now think about the 70's rember all the hyppies they all smoke pot, and they hated gov. why because pot makes you realize that what the system is stupid and why should we follow it.... Okay Im tierd of typeing

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Thsi is all my opinion, I don't care if you call em a stupid idot because of this, because thats what you think and this is what I think, and yes Im only 15 yrs old and I know way more than just this.

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Response to Jeff Weise's Flash Mar. 25th, 2005 @ 04:09 PM Reply

as for controversial films

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/227208

now this is going to make the news


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Response to Jeff Weise's Flash Mar. 25th, 2005 @ 04:10 PM Reply

At 3/25/05 03:59 PM, Lonly_Angel wrote:
At 3/25/05 02:40 PM, setchen12 wrote: So you're comercializing a tragedie because there are more people visiting Newgrounds? sick.
Sick?? i don't think so. How many people profit in the world with other peoples tragedies??(USA and the war in Iraq). Of course that its a shame and i feel kinda akward with what happened but still..
Newgrounds is kinda of hard to sustain(i think) all the space required and stuff...

So he died. SO WHAT!! Many people died in Iraq and in other wars, you don´t seem sorry!! People die, it's life. If his death can Help other peoples great. at least all those people won't die in vain(but they died that way haven't them??)...

People die all the time, its life.

(Sorry if this seems hard on you people, but its what i think)

yes this is true, im not syaing its okay to kill innocent people, look in Iraque do the soliders deserve to die or maybe they're not innocent, just think out side of the box please I know Im right.

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Response to Jeff Weise's Flash Mar. 25th, 2005 @ 04:12 PM Reply

holy fuck. what was that


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Response to Jeff Weise's Flash Mar. 25th, 2005 @ 04:12 PM Reply

Well, the son of a bitch must have had his reasons for blasting mother fuckers to their graves. What reasons? Who knows. All we know is that instead of popping another Prozac he pop-pop-popped people with his hand gun back to where they came from. Conclusion? I guess he had a bad day or something, like a really bad groin itch... lol

I'm not gonna sit around and pretend I give a damn about shit like this. People die every single fuckin' day from various reasons spanning from getting your head shot off by a US soldier in Iraq to dying from ebola in Africa... I'm not gonna pretend I care, 'cause I don't. It's tragic for sure, but I just don't care... sorry. So much shit going on in the world, so little time to give a damn...

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Response to Jeff Weise's Flash Mar. 25th, 2005 @ 04:12 PM Reply

My only problem with the flash being on the front page is the type of reviewers it's attracting.

I just reviewed Target Practice as a flash submission, but 99.9% of the other reviewers are using that space to review Weise as a person. I know, I know, whistle them abusive. Normally I would, but nearly every review that's coming in is abusive in some way, calling him a sicko and what not. Just saying, maybe a good idea would be to close off the ability to review it altogether. After all, the purpose of reviewing is to help the author improve his work. Weise isn't going to need that now, is he ?


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Response to Jeff Weise's Flash Mar. 25th, 2005 @ 04:14 PM Reply

congratulations we talked about a fat crazy homasidal maniac for 12 pages


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Response to Jeff Weise's Flash Mar. 25th, 2005 @ 04:26 PM Reply

Who was Livecorpse? Was he involved in a school shooting? If this question is stupid, please forgive me as I've been coming to NG for a while, but I've recently joined and had the urge to look at the BBS.

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Response to Jeff Weise's Flash Mar. 25th, 2005 @ 04:27 PM Reply

At 3/25/05 04:05 PM, hofi8 wrote: Thsi is all my opinion, I don't care if you call em a stupid idot because of this, because thats what you think and this is what I think, and yes Im only 15 yrs old and I know way more than just this.

you're a stupid fucking moron and you're 15 years old, you don't KNOW anything, you THINK you know everything...

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Response to Jeff Weise's Flash Mar. 25th, 2005 @ 04:30 PM Reply

At 3/25/05 04:09 PM, Mr_Fluffykins wrote: as for controversial films

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/227208

now this is going to make the news

That was fucked up.

At 3/25/05 04:05 PM, mike_peterson wrote: is any one here from jeffs school cause if one of you are i need to ask you what he was like (crazy,nerdy,etc)

On the news, they did interviews with the kids that went to the school, and the kids said, that he was a loner with no friends and always had a black trenchcoat on.

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Response to Jeff Weise's Flash Mar. 25th, 2005 @ 04:30 PM Reply

At 3/25/05 04:26 PM, Clashbakk wrote: Who was Livecorpse? Was he involved in a school shooting? If this question is stupid, please forgive me as I've been coming to NG for a while, but I've recently joined and had the urge to look at the BBS.

Here'S the answer!

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Response to Jeff Weise's Flash Mar. 25th, 2005 @ 04:31 PM Reply

At 3/25/05 04:12 PM, Lindstrom wrote: Well, the son of a bitch must have had his reasons for blasting mother fuckers to their graves. What reasons? Who knows. All we know is that instead of popping another Prozac he pop-pop-popped people with his hand gun back to where they came from. Conclusion? I guess he had a bad day or something, like a really bad groin itch... lol

I don't really find this a laughing subject matter. You can have your opinions and all, but please have some decency. And having a bad day doesn't give you the right the take other people's lives, if you must, end your own only, but that's really bad too.


I'm not gonna sit around and pretend I give a damn about shit like this. People die every single fuckin' day from various reasons spanning from getting your head shot off by a US soldier in Iraq to dying from ebola in Africa... I'm not gonna pretend I care, 'cause I don't. It's tragic for sure, but I just don't care... sorry. So much shit going on in the world, so little time to give a damn...

It's true, there is a lot of death going around everyday. But that doesn't mean that we can't care about death any more. A long, long, long time ago, when there were barely any people alive, death was a huge deal and everyone knew and cared about it. It's still the same event, just with a lot more people to die. I'm sorry, I'm tired... working all day in flash, damn it.

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On the news, they did interviews with the kids that went to the school, and the kids said, that he was a loner with no friends and always had a black trenchcoat on.

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