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At 3/25/05 04:10 AM, Captain_Bob wrote:At 3/25/05 04:06 AM, Maus wrote: Lets take Madness Interactive off the front page, too. It's just as bad. Also, we should delete Club-A-Seal altogether. I mean, people actually DO THAT!LIKE OMG BLAM PICO
Listen to yourselves.
don't forget bunnykill 1 and 2
let me just say this:
social_misfit, i like the way you think. you make a very good point in that it was his own weakness that should be blamed, not the others' cruelty (if that was, in fact, your point) . Not to disrespect the dead, but if he should do what i did and just LET IT GO! I used to get teased to the point of wanting to slit someone's throat in the middle of class too, even now sometimes i still get teased in school. What i do is just laugh and pretend to go along with it, and when i get home, i PRETEND to be the shit out of whoever did so. Emphasis on PRETEND! find a better way to relieve your anger, whether it be on a punching bag or in a shooting range, whatever floats your boat. Believe me, it always makes you feel better afterwards. I, personally, choose a punching bag. Oh, and if you want, if it makes you feel better, yell at the punching bag.
Yes, you read it right, yell at the punching bag as if it were whoever you are angry at.
At 3/25/05 02:21 AM, Idanbd wrote: Man i think you sould blam that thing
If you had read the thread, or the FAQ you'd know by now that once a flash passes judgement, it can't be blammed.
we don't want other people to get ideas from it, especially when its getting them "attention"
Seriously, are you even thinking? People think about this kind of stuff on occasion, I do, don't you? Haven't you ever had the though of killing someone? I'm sure everyone has at some point in life. The only difference is that Jeff took action when he should've been looking for help. And depression pills don't always help, but harm the person[depending on their body chemistry]in by making them more depressed. Taking it off the site would be foolish. It would cause even MORE strain on the server because people would be looking for it.
I honestly don't see why people are making a big deal over his flash. I mean there is tons and tons of these kinds of flashes on NG, like Roof Tilling, that was pretty meased up from a stand point. And Jeremy Lokeans latest flash too is pretty wierd from a stand point too. I'm tried of people lumping guys like Jeff into the crazy catagory. No one really knows what went on in his life for sure. No one knows what went on inside his house. For all we know, he could've been abused for most of his life.[and yes, his mother did mistreat him]So quit lumping these guys in with people like Hitler, Stalin, Sadam, Bin Laden, and other mass murderurs.
Someone else pointed out that this is a situation is being blow out of porportion. Terrorist attacks, suicide bombers, natural desasters taking tons and tons of lifes. Is it because this kid was looked uppon as different or something, the reason why this thing has gotten as big as it has? I mean sure it demands attention and looking into, to prevent this kind of stuff from happening in the future, thus why Wade has put his flash on the front page. And like Jeff said in a comment of his, flash like his are a sort of relife for some people, ones who are shuned and mistreated, looked down upon and made fun of untill the breaking point.
I guess what I'm trying to say overall is that this kind of stuff will happen again more than likely. Wade is doing the smart move by putting less stress on the server by making it[Jeffs flash]front page that way other people can view it. Who knows, doctors, phycologists, and whatnots are going to be looking at his flash and try to get a general idea of his mind, how kids like think, to try and keep this from happening. Deleting his flash is like getting rid of a artifact, an artifact that may prove usefull in helping out kids like Jeff. All we can hope is that stuff like this happens less frequent than every so number of years.
I'm sure I've made spelling errors, sorry.
Putting it on the front page without much motivation why comes across as slightly ghoulish, really, especially because it's so high up on the page. I would never say "remove it from the site" or something, but I think it might be good towards the inevitable media attention, not to mention the families of those who died in Weise's shooting, that you'd make it clearer on the page WHY you put it up there, and that it has nothing to do with trying to cash in on the attention.
Funny enough, short-sighted adults will take this as cue to prove that EVERYBODY who makes these flashes is a potential hazard, even though 99.9% of them didn't shoot anyone.
Just to clear this up,
I don't think it was right that Jeff killed all those people. but Jeff is a victim too. He had a severe mental illness, which is beyond his control. He even had consulting and was on anti-depressants. I wish people wouldn't damn his soul over somthing they don't understand clearly. I dont think it is right for anyone to take someone else's like, but MOST of them brought it on themself. (This saying that the shooting was not random)
A little peace, love and understanding can save the world.
Also please don't flame me.
At 3/25/05 04:32 AM, FatSatan wrote: Putting it on the front page without much motivation why comes across as slightly ghoulish, really, especially because it's so high up on the page. I would never say "remove it from the site" WHY you put it up there, and that it has nothing to do with trying to cash in on the attention.
Read the first post.
At 3/25/05 04:35 AM, bazzam wrote: Just to clear this up,
I don't think it was right that Jeff killed all those people. but Jeff is a victim too. He had a severe mental illness, which is beyond his control.
You know all of this how? Maybe he is just crazy and all that medical stuff was made up?
At 3/25/05 04:48 AM, _MessiaH_ wrote: Who the fuck is Jeff Weise?
At 3/25/05 04:48 AM, _MessiaH_ wrote: Who the fuck is Jeff Weise?
In his own words: " Nothin' but a Native American teenage-stoner-industrialist. I'm on home-bound schooling so I've got a shitload of freetime... "
At 3/24/05 07:13 PM, WadeFulp wrote: Jeff submitted these entries back in October of 2004. If you don't know who Jeff Weise is, pick up a US newspaper or check out this online article.
I just noticed the front page, good idea.
Also, I was the one that gave you the link to that news article last night, I feel special!
Sup, bitches :)
Im having trouble logging on, i was going to write this in the reviews, but this is a more appropriate place for it.
When i was in elementary school... I was beat up by high school kids on the bus i rode. Almost every day, i would get off the bus crying to my mom about it. I talked to the principal, and he did nothing. This continued till high school. I did not go crazy, i am not a crazy neo-nazi for it, as a matter of fact, i developed a bit of a superiority complex against my peers. I still look at some of them,( though i've moved to college, i have a few friends in high school, so i still know how it is), and they actually make me pity them. I seperated myself from the high school society, and i got a unique perspective on them. I see football players who drink and party, I see gorgeous girls who go out with the trashiest people, becuase they are considered cool. I see loose girls who sleep around and are proud of it and an "In-Society" which demands it, i've seen a girl who i thought of as a friend get pregnant and hang herself(i didnt see the actual hanging) because her parents came down so hard on her, i belive it could had been handled better, but i dont blame the parents too bad. I've seen a football player call a cheerleader "Slut-Bucket", and later in the week she was hit by a train and died, i then found out she went to a church nearby the school, and was not a "Slut-Bucket". I've seen many who identify themselves on music that glorifies killing and sex. I've seen my entire generation go down the shit hole, i see high school as a cess-pit of filth. Ive seen "Non-conformists,Goths,Freaks, outcasts, whatever you call them" preach about not conforming to societies rules, when they themselves only accepted those who wore black, painted their faces, and listened to the same music as them. I've seen the same people do drugs,drink, have sex, and commit violence jsut to be a "Non-Conformist". Why, oh why, can't being a non-conformist ever be a good thing? Why cannot people see that doing drugs leads to failure, addiction, and death? Why can't high schoolers see that living a active sex life will make you cool, but most likely lead you forced into a dead-end job before you finish college, just so you can take care of a baby. Why do they punish those who do well by judging them as nerds. Im not so far conceited though to not realize that there are SOME people who are not as such. I know that doctors, lawyers, scientists, and so on all were in high school at one point. But it makes one wonder, what challenges did THEY have to go through to reach where they are today? DId they have to go through the challenges Jeff Weise had to? Did thoughts of rampage invade THEIR minds? No body really knows that answer. As previously stated, ive developed a superiority complex, and was not very kind to many people. I have few friends, but they are very dear to me, people i would trust with everything i am. I think, in retrospect, that i handled things as best i could. My moral is this, you who partake in such actions, analyze your own life and ask, "Where will this take me, what branches fork further down this road i travel". If the School Systems could teach love along side history, maybe we wouldnt have ohter Jeff Weises and Columbines.
At 3/25/05 12:10 AM, DrMoxley wrote:
I wouldn't be PROUD of this ghey ass lvl 2 fag,who probably got flamed in our forums, made a lil emo movie,adn the cried while he pulled the trigger on some freaks in his school.
He never posted in the BBS
Sorry this is off-topic. but i see from your profile that your from alabama, where in alabama are you from?
that was very poetic. almost like song lyrics. they would go good to a rap song. sorry, didn't mean to get off topic there...
Out of about 700,000 users,
I wonder why things like this don't happen more often.
I'm glad that there's NG gridlock,
it means more upgrades and power-ups.
and just when Numa Numa was leaving the spotlight
just look at what people have to do to get some Media attention
It's not based on the quailty of your flashes
Either be a dumbass on a webcam or kill a bunch of people
(*Hint* *Hint* Adam Phillips)
At 3/25/05 05:48 AM, SumoSanta wrote: I don't think many people care. In a week we'll all forget about this. :)
Quoted for truth.
At 3/25/05 05:31 AM, HairydragonballZ wrote: Out of about 700,000 users,
Try about 1.2 million users.
The "7xx,xxx" part is just the people with profiles.
[It may even be more].
You know, I'm kind of sick of seeing "it's not his fault, he was pushed to it". Blame the victims. Maybe if they were a little nicer, it wouldn't have happened, so they deserved to get shot, hmm?
This kid had a choice. He had several choices. He chose to kill people.
I got picked on in school. Most of my friends now did. I wouldn't be suprised if everyone here either was or is currently given a hard time in high school. I'm sure a few of us have severe mental problems. I'm sure a lot of us would certainly -like- to kill people. Yet we don't. We deal with it.
Jeff Weise couldn't deal with it. When he couldn't get the help he needed, when he wasn't strong enough to hold on and try to get it, he made a choice to end it and take as many people as he can with him. It was his choice, and I'm not gonna insult the memory of the victims by pretending that it's othewise. Murder is never justified.
I'd like to also say that it's no shock American tragedies get more coverage in American media than foreign ones, expecially violent ones that affect children. The media reports what will get viewers or readers, and while any violent death is unfortunate, Americans naturally have more interest in the deaths of thier countrymen. I'm not gonna be too outraged if this doesn't get coverage in Germany, because I'm sure Germans don't care too much. Violence in schools tends to get international coverage anyways (I remember the Checniyan school still)
As for the flash itself...if he had posted it 2 days before the shootings, it may have meant more. But he posted it 5 months ago. That's a long time ago. I don't think he was sending a message anymore than I think the authors of Madness or Pico or anyone else who makes a violent flash are going to go on a killing spree. Hindsight is 20/20, and now that it's over with, it's easy to make the leap of "Oh, the disturbed youth who loves movies based on Columbine, idolizes Hitler, and made flashes about killing people is gonna actually do it soon!". But that probably describes about a thousand people here who are non-homicidal (what do we do, arrest them before they can shoot?). There was no way anyone could have seen this coming, and the flash doesn't even indicate he was planning it.
That ought to be enough controversy for a first post.
Newgrounds is a place where people can show their skills, thats all it ever will be, and come on guys, seriously, haven't we seen some amazing talent come through Newgrounds over the years. Lets name a very select few: (In no particular order)
- Dan Paladin (Synj, Alien Hominid (Now a Console Game), Sack Smash)
- SamBakZa (There She Is)
- LegendaryFrog (One Ring to Rule Them All, The Matrix Has/Still Has You)
- Randy Solem (Various Awesome Sprite Movies, inc Rise of the MK)
- Adam Phillips (Brakenwood Series)
- The Super Flash Bro's (Another Day Series, Decline Series, The Matrix Has You)
- Double Helix (Decline Series)
- Krinkles (Madness)
- James Farr (Xombie... Which is getting made into an actual MOVIE!!!)
- Tomorrows Nobody (TN Series)
I know there are heaps more awesome animators, and sorry for the ones i haven't mentioned.
We have One Console game that derived from Flash (Alien Hominid by Dan Paladin and Tom Fulp) we have a series to be made into a movie (Xombie by James Farr) and we have a professional animator (from Disney or something... Adam Phillips) who submit here and produce some amazing work.
Not everyone is a derranged pshycopath... and im not saying that anyone is.
Look at what we have, not what someone produced ages ago and has now made it into a reality. If all of our animators did that... well we'll have:
aliens, Final Fantasy XCMIIIXCMIXIMCXICXMXIXCMXCIMXIMMXCXIICMXCIMXCMIXCICI, The world being attacked by an unkillable Clown, philosiphical xombies, and rabbits and kittens loving each other.
what a stuffed up world that would be ;)
Keep animating without fear people!!!!
Ok, I agree that Wade has to put this movie on the front page to avoid the entire site going down from overload, just be careful Wade. Lawsuits = bad.
Call it a hunch, but I think the site's creators have some sort of legal mechanism in place that releases them from liability in the event something like this does happen. Since anyone can post whatever they want here, and they do take reasonable measures to make sure undesirable content doesn't show, it's hard to imagine Newgrounds having any liability whatsoever over the content of any flash.
Putting it on the front page was a good idea, but I do think it shouldn't be in the "Features" section like it were some sort of Numa Numa media blitz. It should be off to the side with a explanitory clause and a link.
Aparently you pissed a few people off.
But its something that people are going to want to view, might as well make it viewable. Its not hard core porn or anything.
can i ask you all here something
WHAT THE FUCKS SO FUNNY ABOUT THAT FLASH
lmao March 25, 2005
Reviewed by: Nevadeth Overall Score: 0
David Firths next lol
LOL March 25, 2005
Reviewed by: KuchenMitSand Overall Score: 5
Someone like Jeff Weise can only get arms in america....poor state.
THIS IS NOT FUNNY
HE WAS PSYCHOTIC AND CAUSED A HORRIBLE MASSACRE
AND PEOPLE LAUGH
REVIEWS LIKE THAT SHOULD BE DELETED AND THE AUTHORS BANNED FOR A DAY
amazing how its the same stuff over and over. most of us disagree with what he did what were saying is the pain he may have felt is understandable who are u people anyway ?dr.phil fans? better yet who made u god and gave u the power to judge people?. wait a min. u maybe the next kid who does something like jeff did thats why ur all angry and upset because some wittle boy type some letters u didnt like awwwwww poor wiitle baby com'er catch up with the rest of us kids are dying. ur here insulting a dead child .now the new trend is to bash helpless dead people or may have been ill . the kid was sick he had an illness. if jeff was ur baby brother, father or uncle would u be wishing him hell? and call him useless names how about if he was dead?. sane people will try and heal thier illed loved ones and get the help they need for them. not wish them to hell and call them sicko ,fag murderur and so on wait a min the rumors are he was ''tourtured and teased'' . and here we are . its a cycle[ like a dog chassing his tail] whats the point of u bashing a child who was possible ill and is now dead?.trying to help ur satan out? uknow make sure he gives him a seat inhell?uve never been there how is it u suddenly feel the urge to be a flight director for good ol satan?find a new job if u wanna send people places, try ur local airlines. maybe a crossing gaurd even better forget that u seem to wish hurtful things on people for being ill i cant imagine what u'd do to the kids he hurt alot of people that day. and people hurt him. the only thing thats different is he felt he needed to do those sad things to make the pain go away . u people the ones who bash and inflict useless hurt onto the living and now the dead move on to the next ''loner'' or ''odd'' person. u just keep adding to the problem. well guess what these words u all type are proof ur only entertaing ur own sick minds because jeff cant read this hate u all type. only u and complete strangers u hope read ur words . so if and when u judge someone for anything look in a mirror and wonder what demons are u breeding?as for his work its good stuff and i think the staff should leave it up as a reminder to u and people who read ur hate in the kids review box.by the way i need a flight outa uranus its packed up in here.
At 3/24/05 08:11 PM, EyesOnlyUS wrote: Typical Media Attack strategies:
Step 1: Interviews with Photogentic Bystandards. Generally, the media will pick some popular blond girl with no accent. Typically, a popular kid, a jock, or a cheerleader. Heaven forbid we interview a nerd, a geek, or a goth.
Step 2: Pidgeon Holing: "He was a quiet kid. He was an introvert. He was a goth kid. He was strange. He did wierd things." The media doesn't understand that just because you don't fit the mold, doesn't make you a potential threat.
Step 3: Blaming Technology: "He played video games, used the comptuer alot. He liked to create violent drawings/videos/pictures." As apposed to beating up someone because they don't have a Letter jacket? The technology excuse also makes TV and Raido look altrusitic. The new media, espically the internet, is a threat to them. As more people turn on their computers, more people turn off their TVs and raidos.
Step 4: Blaming Viewpoints: "He was trying to be evil. He was into Satanism. He admired Hitler." This is generic media bias. And why is it that every creed that is not Christan, Jewish, or Muslim is Satanism? Buddism isn't evil. Neither is Wicca. The only religion that worships Satan is Satanism.
Step 5: Blaming Conditions and Hobbies: "He was taking antidepresants. He liked using guns." Again, generic media bias. Using the names of the make and model of the used objects are instant self promotion. Kinda like that popular kid they inteviewed wearing clothes with corporate logos.
Step 6: Blaming Style/Non-mainstream Music Genres: "He liked listening to Industrial/Heavy Metal/Goth music. He liked listening to Marylin Manson." Manson is not goth. Morressy is goth. Emo, Nu Metal, and Poppunk are also not goth. In fact, what the hell does music have to do with random acts of violence comitted by stupid assholes like Weis?
Step 7: Blaming Religon/Politics: "He didn't have the love of Christ in his life. He worshiped some other religion. This is a conspiracy run by ...(media group) News flash: God doesn't give a damn.
ndmediaNG wrote; "The vast majority of us will live and die, committing no great deeds for people to speak of. That's probably why he did it, he wanted his name to appear on the news, wanted to have all of us discussing about him. When he committed suicide he knew for a certainty that his life would be the subject of more speculation than he could ever hope for if he lived his life out regularly."
..there's a lot of media coverage for this sort of thing. The curiosity factor is overwhelming for the public. "Why did he do it?" ..what are the danger signs. How do we avoid a repeat happening, or how do i spot someone who's over the edge? Blame is a negative vibe. Blaming the symptoms just make more youth dissolutioned about their own state of mental health. It's the cause we should be interested.
Symptom; Listens to Korn, Marilyn Manson, Nirvana.
Symptom; Makes suicidal flash, watches NG content
Symptom; Takes Prozac, weed, alcohol
..so do we ban music, movies and drugs? or do we crack down on bullying?
EyesOnlyUS beautifully details the media's focus on symptoms, but there's likely an underlying cause which will be overlooked.. and if killing people for fame was the actual cause then you won't hear that from the media themselves. It's therefore very refreshing to see NG users who are free to speculate the reasons without need to lay blame on any particular symptom (yeah, like he obviously had most of them!)