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Response to Forum Moderation For Dummies 2012-08-23 12:18:33 Reply

At 8/23/12 12:13 PM, dragoswrath wrote: WE'LL COMPLAIN ABOUT IT LIKE POLICE BRUTALITY!

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Response to Forum Moderation For Dummies 2012-08-23 12:22:41 Reply

At 8/23/12 11:57 AM, egg82 wrote: I don't like that as much. Problem is, chat goes by much quicker than a BBS post. You should have to get a second opinion pretty quickly. I'd say short bans (hours, a day at max) by one moderator would be perfect for a chat.

That's what appeals are for. We are not Facebook.

ehh... Even though i'm a bit of a grammar nazi, I don't like that. Nobody's perfect. Also, what offense do you take if someone else wrote the appeal? If it's giving valid, logical reasons it shouldn't matter who it comes from.

It should, because that's the difference between someone who's an idiot, and a reformed idiot.

Okay, yeah, if you're using an appeal to shit-talk you deserve to be banned for a little longer. Seriously, who does that? It's a waste of everyone's time.

Indeed.

at least three days? I think if you promote someone to "moderator" status, you should be able to trust them to make judgments for themselves.
I neither like nor dislike the second part (fake evidence)

The ban length would be given the same way I suggested all the other bans should be given.

Again, everyone makes mistakes. It's impossible to be unbiased. Stripping of the position is too harsh. As long as the final judgement is fair, who cares?

A biased system is a corrupt system. No wonder the USA is in shit all of the time.

the "because" part was unnecessary.
Also, ehh... I can see why it's good to have some privacy on the bans, but at the same time if someone goes "why was this guy banned?" and you say "can't tell you, sorry" it's a bit of a put-off and creates more of a distance between users and moderators. Moderators should "fit in" with the users, that's what they're there for. To regulate and control, but also to be the closest administrative position to the users. If you put distance between the two groups, then look at how big the gap gets between the owner and the users.

You don't go up to a murder scene and ask the police why there's a dead body on the floor, do you? A user is banned because they broke the rules.

Moderators should fit in, yes. That's why I said they can become friends with regular users.

yes and no. Yes, there should be a "hierarchy" of permissions because let's face it: there's douchebags in the world.

Who are in power here? The douchebags?

Still doesn't mean one person is better than another.

It actually does.

opinions "good" and "bad" people are based upon respect.

No, they aren't. They're based on being good and bad. And who are you quoting here?

a "sirtom93"? Something about threats and an arrested kid?
That's about all I got from google. Seems this news is pretty ancient and buried under legends and myths.

Sirtom93 was a user who posted a thread saying he was going to go to his high school with a petrol tank and burn his school down. Authorities were contacted.


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Response to Forum Moderation For Dummies 2012-08-23 12:29:13 Reply

At 8/23/12 11:33 AM, w33zl wrote:
Users can be banned for PMs if the victim gives legitimate evidence to the moderator to ban the sender from using the PM system and forums for at least three days. If the evidence is found to be fake, the ban is transferred to the "victim" and doubled. The same multiple-offence rules apply afterwards.

This makes no sense because the PM system has nothing to do with the forum. On top of that it would be too much of a headache and too easy to fake.


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Response to Forum Moderation For Dummies 2012-08-23 12:32:22 Reply

At 8/23/12 12:29 PM, Zachary wrote: This makes no sense because the PM system has nothing to do with the forum. On top of that it would be too much of a headache and too easy to fake.

I guess it would, but it would sure get rid of dating spam bots.


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Response to Forum Moderation For Dummies 2012-08-23 12:33:45 Reply

At 8/23/12 12:32 PM, w33zl wrote:
At 8/23/12 12:29 PM, Zachary wrote: This makes no sense because the PM system has nothing to do with the forum. On top of that it would be too much of a headache and too easy to fake.
I guess it would, but it would sure get rid of dating spam bots.

Do you think the bots care about being banned lol? They will just make a new account.


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Response to Forum Moderation For Dummies 2012-08-23 12:34:43 Reply

At 8/23/12 08:00 AM, Halberd wrote: we need a hero

we need Kid.newgrounds.com

You said it, I know the perfect intro song.


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Response to Forum Moderation For Dummies 2012-08-23 12:36:49 Reply

At 8/23/12 12:33 PM, Zachary wrote:
At 8/23/12 12:32 PM, w33zl wrote: I guess it would, but it would sure get rid of dating spam bots.
Do you think the bots care about being banned lol? They will just make a new account.

Bots can't make new accounts.


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Response to Forum Moderation For Dummies 2012-08-23 12:39:25 Reply

At 8/23/12 12:22 PM, w33zl wrote: That's what appeals are for. We are not Facebook.

I'm saying the same system should not be used for a BBS and a chat. A BBS is MUCH slower than a chat, and the same system in place in the chat would be slow and clunky.

It should, because that's the difference between someone who's an idiot, and a reformed idiot.

Psh, you think banning someone for a while is going to completely reform them? It takes a while for the message to sink in, but banning is a good solution when that person just needs to go away for a while.

The ban length would be given the same way I suggested all the other bans should be given.

Again, the moderators need to decide for themselves what a good ban length should be. If you don't trust someone with a decision as simple as that, you shouldn't promote them in the first place.

A biased system is a corrupt system. No wonder the USA is in shit all of the time.

There is not a single thing in this world that is completely unbiased.
Moderation and administration is not akin to politics, though a lot of people attribute it to such, as it implements an authoritive figure.

You don't go up to a murder scene and ask the police why there's a dead body on the floor, do you? A user is banned because they broke the rules.

if someone asks why someone else was banned, you can give the reason without giving details. Saying something like "they kept posting in the wrong forum, but I only banned them for a few hours" (or even leaving out the second bit) is totally fine in my opinion.

Who are in power here? The douchebags?

owners control admins, admins control moderators, moderators control users, but users have the power of the masses, which ultimately controls the system. Even owners abide by the system.
You'll have to decide for yourself who's in control.

It actually does.

no, that line of thinking ultimately gets you nowhere in a position of power.

No, they aren't. They're based on being good and bad. And who are you quoting here?

I'm quoting myself.
If you respect someone, you're much less likely to think they're "bad". Why? Because in order to gain respect, you can't be a dick to someone, which would reside in the "bad" area.

Sirtom93 was a user who posted a thread saying he was going to go to his high school with a petrol tank and burn his school down. Authorities were contacted.

That would explain one of the news posts I read.


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Response to Forum Moderation For Dummies 2012-08-23 12:46:21 Reply

At 8/23/12 08:33 AM, Crink wrote: be like poozy but be less of a dick

Poozy is the worst moderator.I don't even know why he is a mod.


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Response to Forum Moderation For Dummies 2012-08-23 12:49:52 Reply

At 8/23/12 12:46 PM, tonypar16 wrote:
At 8/23/12 08:33 AM, Crink wrote: be like poozy but be less of a dick
Poozy is the worst moderator.I don't even know why he is a mod.

he gets shit done when it has to be done.

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Response to Forum Moderation For Dummies 2012-08-23 13:00:50 Reply

At 8/23/12 12:39 PM, egg82 wrote: I'm saying the same system should not be used for a BBS and a chat. A BBS is MUCH slower than a chat, and the same system in place in the chat would be slow and clunky.

Our only other options are the permanent ban until appeal system in place, or create an entirely new system.

Issuing a ban is as quick as a click of a button.

Psh, you think banning someone for a while is going to completely reform them? It takes a while for the message to sink in, but banning is a good solution when that person just needs to go away for a while.

That's what my multiple-offence system is for: longer bans after each repeated offence.

Again, the moderators need to decide for themselves what a good ban length should be. If you don't trust someone with a decision as simple as that, you shouldn't promote them in the first place.

Reasoning still exists, and exceptions, no doubt, would be made. Offences can involve a user breaking a number of rules at the same time. In this case, their punishment must be more severe. That will be up to the decision of the moderator, but if a punishment is too harsh, the moderator should take some form of disciplinary action.

There is not a single thing in this world that is completely unbiased.
Moderation and administration is not akin to politics

It very much is, according to my dictionary.

if someone asks why someone else was banned, you can give the reason without giving details. Saying something like "they kept posting in the wrong forum, but I only banned them for a few hours" (or even leaving out the second bit) is totally fine in my opinion.

It's not fine in mine.

owners control admins, admins control moderators, moderators control users, but users have the power of the masses, which ultimately controls the system. Even owners abide by the system.
You'll have to decide for yourself who's in control.

The 'power to the masses' dogma is total liberal trash that has zero meaning whatsoever. Not everybody has the intelligence to run a country, and so long as we are smarter than an ant, someone will disagree with someone else.

no, that line of thinking ultimately gets you nowhere in a position of power.

It will get you everywhere, but the liberals wouldn't like you.

I'm quoting myself.
If you respect someone, you're much less likely to think they're "bad". Why? Because in order to gain respect, you can't be a dick to someone, which would reside in the "bad" area.

I know this guy who's a rapist, but he's alright because he sells me drug money.


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Response to Forum Moderation For Dummies 2012-08-23 13:06:34 Reply

At 8/23/12 01:00 PM, w33zl wrote: I know this guy who's a rapist, but he's alright because he sells me drug money.

I'm also wondering why I'm not getting any money.


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Response to Forum Moderation For Dummies 2012-08-23 13:08:11 Reply

At 8/23/12 01:00 PM, w33zl wrote:

I know this guy who's a rapist, but he's alright because he sells me drug money.

How can you sell money?


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Response to Forum Moderation For Dummies 2012-08-23 13:10:49 Reply

At 8/23/12 01:08 PM, Zachary wrote:
At 8/23/12 01:00 PM, w33zl wrote:

I know this guy who's a rapist, but he's alright because he sells me drug money.
How can you sell money?

You have to be a Republican.


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Response to Forum Moderation For Dummies 2012-08-23 13:15:31 Reply

At 8/23/12 01:00 PM, w33zl wrote: Our only other options are the permanent ban until appeal system in place, or create an entirely new system.

Issuing a ban is as quick as a click of a button.

That's what i'm saying. In a chat, one moderator can ban someone for a short amount of time (max of one day, though freedom to a week should be granted) and for longer bans (more than a week) two moderators should be reviewing the offense.
In the BBS, two moderators should review the offense anyway, but bans up to a month (maybe two) can be dished out. After that, I think it should be taken to an admin.

That's what my multiple-offence system is for: longer bans after each repeated offence.

The multiple-offense system is already in place.

Reasoning still exists, and exceptions, no doubt, would be made. Offences can involve a user breaking a number of rules at the same time. In this case, their punishment must be more severe. That will be up to the decision of the moderator, but if a punishment is too harsh, the moderator should take some form of disciplinary action.

again, this system is already in place. It pretty much falls under "use common sense"

It very much is, according to my dictionary.

semantics.

It's not fine in mine.

again, semantics.

The 'power to the masses' dogma is total liberal trash that has zero meaning whatsoever. Not everybody has the intelligence to run a country, and so long as we are smarter than an ant, someone will disagree with someone else.

semantics.
Dogma is used in religion, not politics.

The power of the masses is very much real, at the very least on the internet. What happens if a website becomes trash? Everyone leaves. When everyone leaves, the website no longer holds any power. Look at Myspace for an example. Look at Facebook and ThePirateBay as examples opposing Myspace.

It will get you everywhere, but the liberals wouldn't like you.

semantics.

I know this guy who's a rapist, but he's alright because he sells me drug money.

Your opinion of him is still based upon respect.
Again, semantics.


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Response to Forum Moderation For Dummies 2012-08-23 13:23:36 Reply

At 8/23/12 01:21 PM, bigbadron wrote: lol wuts a mod u guyz

you being the Badass back in the day. why dont you come back and bring the BBS back to its glory days? we could really use it.


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Response to Forum Moderation For Dummies 2012-08-23 13:24:46 Reply

lesson: Don't take shit from anyone. You have a banhammer feel free to bash some e-skulls with it!


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Response to Forum Moderation For Dummies 2012-08-23 13:24:55 Reply

At 8/23/12 01:15 PM, egg82 wrote: semantics.

Semantics.

Politics involves the skill of governing a country. Administration? Government? They are related to eachother.

I don't want to argue with you anymore.


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Response to Forum Moderation For Dummies 2012-08-23 13:40:43 Reply

At 8/23/12 01:33 PM, Travis wrote: More emphasis on getting flame wars early. I.e. not letting a flame war reach 5 pages before locking it.

agree, but can we tell the difference between a debate and a flame war? sometimes it's pretty grey.

More activity, I feel as though a lot of moderators aren't ever here. I understand we have lives but less than 5 posts in three months without any reason given should warrant getting that mod replaced.

you'd have to define "without any reason given", but I agree.
I think "mod replacement" would be good, as well. I never see and fresh blood at the bottom of the page :(

Get rid of sad try hard trolls. Whenever they make a post it's to stroke their own or groups cock and just cause problems. I.e. go case by case, some users are constantly just posting trash and they don't need to be here.

Agreed. Sometimes a website is just better off without some people, though I think it should be thought about before labeling someone as a "die-hard troll" - usually they're easy to spot, but sometimes you get that grey area.

It's always the grey areas that get you. If it was all black and white, there wouldn't even be a need for moderators and administrators because programmers could just write a script to take care of all of that.


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Response to Forum Moderation For Dummies 2012-08-23 14:02:51 Reply

At 8/23/12 02:01 PM, Bees wrote: you are trying way too hard

say that too my face

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Response to Forum Moderation For Dummies 2012-08-23 14:08:06 Reply

At 8/23/12 02:02 PM, doctor wrote:
At 8/23/12 02:01 PM, Bees wrote: you are trying way too hard
say that too my face

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Response to Forum Moderation For Dummies 2012-08-23 14:46:44 Reply

At 8/23/12 02:43 PM, MikeyS9607 wrote: Allow pony threads, and just ban people who say shit about it to start flame wars, instead of having one clusterfuck thread. You allow multiple threads of other things, the Breaking Bad thread is in General.
Punish HARD. People will fear you like they did Poozy and bigbadron.

i'd ban all pony/brony threads.

just sayin'.

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Response to Forum Moderation For Dummies 2012-08-23 14:50:38 Reply

At 8/22/12 09:37 PM, Gambit wrote: How?

Start by taking care of spammers, trolls, and people who don't contribute to anything but their own self-misery.

But I thought we all wanted to keep Newgrounds.


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Response to Forum Moderation For Dummies 2012-08-23 14:56:15 Reply

At 8/23/12 02:46 PM, bigbadron wrote:
At 8/23/12 02:43 PM, MikeyS9607 wrote: Allow pony threads, and just ban people who say shit about it to start flame wars, instead of having one clusterfuck thread. You allow multiple threads of other things, the Breaking Bad thread is in General.
Punish HARD. People will fear you like they did Poozy and bigbadron.
i'd ban all pony/brony threads.

just sayin'.

your a hero BigBadRon and probably the only savior to bring the forum back to its former glory. get rid of those threads and Users ASAP once you regain power.

plus I miss your ban messages!


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Response to Forum Moderation For Dummies 2012-08-23 14:59:21 Reply

At 8/23/12 02:46 PM, bigbadron wrote:
i'd ban all pony/brony threads.

just sayin'.

I wish the current mods would.


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Response to Forum Moderation For Dummies 2012-08-23 15:14:17 Reply

At 8/23/12 02:59 PM, Zachary wrote:
At 8/23/12 02:46 PM, bigbadron wrote:
i'd ban all pony/brony threads.

just sayin'.
I wish the current mods would.

then we should start a movement to get BBR to get mod abilities again he could clean up the BBS within a month even quicker if he coordinated with Poozy and Purgatory.


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Response to Forum Moderation For Dummies 2012-08-23 15:23:23 Reply

At 8/23/12 03:00 PM, MikeyS9607 wrote: Yup. I feel there are CERTAIN users who seem to get away with a lot more than others. Could just be luck of the mod not seeing it.

thats a load of shit. its just mods not seeing it or they're own sense of how rules are broke


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Response to Forum Moderation For Dummies 2012-08-23 15:27:52 Reply

At 8/23/12 02:46 PM, bigbadron wrote: i'd ban all pony/brony threads.

just sayin'.

but I like My Little pony. I wish that they would ban people that are mean fro no reason like yuo.