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Response to Rig's Room Treatment Adventures 2011-10-08 23:41:40 Reply

Speaking of acoustic maths...

http://www.subwoofer-builder.com/qrdude.
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I'm thinking of building a diffuser or two, and this tool is invaluable.


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Response to Rig's Room Treatment Adventures 2011-10-10 00:29:48 Reply

So I was trying to take a nap today when I suddenly had an idea for a new design of very cheap and light home-made bass traps and sound absorbers. I'm gonna build them on Tuesday and will post pics and instructions! :D


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Response to Rig's Room Treatment Adventures 2011-10-11 18:28:55 Reply

Here's my prototype. The next version will be a lot slimmer and use plastic straps instead of string.

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Response to Rig's Room Treatment Adventures 2011-10-11 18:40:16 Reply

Here's version two so far. Getting the plastic straps tomorrow.

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Response to Rig's Room Treatment Adventures 2011-10-11 19:45:59 Reply

Careful with that mineral cotton (or however it's called), this has small... something like glass dust... don't know in English but you MUST wear a mask and gloves while handling that and don't leave it open, put some materials on top.

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Response to Rig's Room Treatment Adventures 2011-10-11 20:21:42 Reply

Rig Rolled.

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Response to Rig's Room Treatment Adventures 2011-10-11 22:18:44 Reply

At 10/11/11 07:45 PM, sorohanro wrote: Careful with that mineral cotton (or however it's called), this has small... something like glass dust... don't know in English but you MUST wear a mask and gloves while handling that

Got that covered.

and don't leave it open, put some materials on top.

Got that covered - the black stuff on the second frame is landscape fabric. I'll be getting some stronger cloth for the final version, though.

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Response to Rig's Room Treatment Adventures 2011-10-11 22:20:29 Reply

it almost looks like you're folding a banana..

a.. grey.. banana..

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Response to Rig's Room Treatment Adventures 2011-10-11 22:30:47 Reply

At 10/11/11 10:20 PM, Chronamut wrote: it almost looks like you're folding a banana..

a.. grey.. banana..

had the exact same thought, only holding rather then folding

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Response to Rig's Room Treatment Adventures 2011-10-11 23:43:09 Reply

Using a non-treated canvas to me seems like a superbly efficient way of making absorptive panels that look very clean cut.

Pre-stretched canvas with frame

I'm sure you know what they look like, but just cause I've linked. In that link it is treated so it probably would respond a bit more reflectively given acrylics are pretty dense and would form a very even surface. The membrane itself though would probably be a bit dynamic itself. You can purchase non-treated canvas that would be more reflective, and to tack in some foam behind it would be pretty easy to do to increase the absorption. Big benefit is they're pretty cheap, should be easy to mount given the weight, and they would look very very polished. Plus you cuold paint on them or alter their color to match the room no problem. I purchased a set of 4 that were 24x18 for only $10 as an example price. Dunno if recent stores near you would have such a rate.

At 10/11/11 07:45 PM, sorohanro wrote: Careful with that mineral cotton (or however it's called), this has small... something like glass dust... don't know in English but you MUST wear a mask and gloves while handling

Its fibre glass insultion. They have eco friendly, fire proof, and non-harmful to handle versions too!


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Response to Rig's Room Treatment Adventures 2011-10-11 23:55:48 Reply

At 10/11/11 11:43 PM, InvisibleObserver wrote: Using a non-treated canvas to me seems like a superbly efficient way of making absorptive panels that look very clean cut.

Yeah, I've seen some good things with canvas. Burlap has a looser weave, so that may be even better. I'm going for a burgundy theme, so if I can't find burlap or canvas in that colour, I'll just go for cloth.


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Response to Rig's Room Treatment Adventures 2011-10-12 13:50:02 Reply

Going to the hardware store for some brackets and cloth!


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Response to Rig's Room Treatment Adventures 2011-10-12 14:35:49 Reply

Get a Penicorn and post it all over Newgrounds, Rig.


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Response to Rig's Room Treatment Adventures 2011-10-12 18:35:20 Reply

At 10/12/11 02:35 PM, Chemich wrote: Get a Penicorn and post it all over Newgrounds, Rig.

One it's not really enough for sound treatment, you should get a whole wall full of penicorns !
I tried.

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Response to Rig's Room Treatment Adventures 2011-10-12 21:48:00 Reply

Dang dude - this is really looking legit. Where are you located?

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Response to Rig's Room Treatment Adventures 2011-10-13 00:16:59 Reply

At 10/12/11 09:48 PM, joshhunsaker wrote: Dang dude - this is really looking legit. Where are you located?

Winnipeg, good sir. I might stay here for a while.


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Response to Rig's Room Treatment Adventures 2011-10-13 03:27:22 Reply

At 10/12/11 06:35 PM, sorohanro wrote:
At 10/12/11 02:35 PM, Chemich wrote: Get a Penicorn and post it all over Newgrounds, Rig.
One it's not really enough for sound treatment, you should get a whole wall full of penicorns !
I tried.

Really epic soundproofing though... sorta... hahah


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Response to Rig's Room Treatment Adventures 2011-10-13 23:44:14 Reply

So instead of making a ton of big heavy frames, I decided to be as simple as possible. And you can't get much simpler than stuffing insulation into a bag.

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Response to Rig's Room Treatment Adventures 2011-10-13 23:45:44 Reply

The bag is made out of a canvas-like fabric I bought at a local fabric store. I basically stacked insulation on the fabric, wrapped it up, and used hot glue to keep it together.

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Response to Rig's Room Treatment Adventures 2011-10-13 23:47:51 Reply

The top of the bag is sealed with hot glue and attached to a plywood bar. I'll tie some string on there and put it over a hook on the wall, like how you hang a picture frame. I'll also add a couple spacers to keep it about 6" from the wall, for more efficient absorption.

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Response to Rig's Room Treatment Adventures 2011-10-13 23:49:28 Reply

I'm so glad I'm doing this instead of spending days in the shop, making frames. This method is easy to construct and it uses less material, too!


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Response to Rig's Room Treatment Adventures 2011-10-14 04:10:55 Reply

At 10/13/11 11:49 PM, Rig wrote: I'm so glad I'm doing this instead of spending days in the shop, making frames. This method is easy to construct and it uses less material, too!

What are your plans for reflective panels and diffusers? As well, what was the reasoning for not purchasing absorptive foam like this?

I checked out my cities big music stores for sound proofing related stock. They didn't have much given they ate up alot of space on the floor, it was an order it in type deal. They had 24x48inch panels of the absorptive ffoam for $25, cheaper rates for larger bulk bought. I figure $60 for 3 sets of those panels is potentially comparable to your expenses.


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Response to Rig's Room Treatment Adventures 2011-10-14 07:46:40 Reply

now all you need is 1 more g


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Response to Rig's Room Treatment Adventures 2011-10-14 11:07:44 Reply

At 10/14/11 04:10 AM, InvisibleObserver wrote: They had 24x48inch panels of the absorptive ffoam for $25, cheaper rates for larger bulk bought. I figure $60 for 3 sets of those panels is potentially comparable to your expenses.

The Safe 'n Sound I'm using costs $40 per bale, and I can make four traps per bale. If I went with just one layer of insulation, I could make six per bale. The plywood cost $14 per 2x4 sheet, and I can cut enough material for 16 traps out of one. The fabric cost me $2.75 per meter, and I use about 3.5 meters per trap. Glue is 4 bucks per pack - I don't know how much glue I need, but I think I can get four traps made per pack.

So as of now, my traps cost $21.50 each. $18.17 if I used one layer of insulation.

All that's in Canadian dollars btw, so it'll be even cheaper for you Americans.


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Response to Rig's Room Treatment Adventures 2011-10-14 11:10:46 Reply

Oh, and that foam by itself will only absorb the highs. My traps will absorb down to midrange. Besides, I'm saving shipping charges and can make these into any shape and size I want. :>


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Response to Rig's Room Treatment Adventures 2011-10-14 12:17:23 Reply

At 10/14/11 04:10 AM, InvisibleObserver wrote: What are your plans for reflective panels and diffusers?

No plans. I'll space these absorbers evenly around the room and use the walls themselves for reflection. Diffusers will be made another time, if I need them.


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Response to Rig's Room Treatment Adventures 2011-10-14 14:29:24 Reply

BOOM. My design works.

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Response to Rig's Room Treatment Adventures 2011-10-14 14:29:54 Reply

Close-up!

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Response to Rig's Room Treatment Adventures 2011-10-14 14:31:45 Reply

Absorption ruuuuules

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Response to Rig's Room Treatment Adventures 2011-10-14 16:14:29 Reply

Awesome, cost effective, efficient solution :).

People can get way too hung up on worrying about the methodologies surrounding sound absorption. The fact of the matter, is that you don't need an artificially dead room in order to get a reasonably balanced mix to your ears. Proper speaker placement, along with decoupling your speakers from the desk (sit them on some big foam blocks), and keeping a careful ear on/being aware of any standing waves or resonance peaks that your room exhibits. If you are having problems with excess bass, try plugging the ports on your monitors. This'll reduce the artificially enhanced sub-bass, but it will help to really tighten up your higher-subs and low-mids.

If you have the space, some spare time, and a little bit of cash, build a bass trap or two, like rigs. But diffusers? You don't need them, you don't have hundreds of thousands of $$$ worth of mastering gear, and you probably won't be able to figure out the maths to make your system work effectively.


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