irrelevant but i'd like to post this,i have an idea for a collab and dont have flash.:( i would like to know if anyone is willing to help.PM me.

At 1/24/10 07:57 PM, havegum wrote:

At 1/24/10 06:23 PM, havegum wrote: Oh yeah, and I tried downloading it, but it was all blurry.

Oops, I didn't notice that it was zoomed out.
Forget all about the blurry part!

lol, I fail

Oh yeah you notice this AFTER i up load new ones, I see how you are... :P

At 1/24/10 08:03 PM, gween123 wrote: irrelevant but i'd like to post this,i have an idea for a collab and dont have flash.:( i would like to know if anyone is willing to help.PM me.

well sure were willing, but you'd probably have better luck trying to get help for a collab over at the Flash Forum but hey since your here, whats your idea...

At 1/24/10 04:25 PM, Kinsei01 wrote: Some of Sum41's older stuff....

!!! You mean like Half Hour of Power stuff? Grab the Devil By the Horns and .....

At 1/24/10 05:32 PM, Luxembourg wrote: Usually, though, I listen to a lot of Indie rock. Arcade Fire....

Arcade Fire are awesome! I first heard them in the Where the Wild Things Are trailer.

At 1/24/10 08:34 PM, CloudEater wrote:

At 1/24/10 04:25 PM, Kinsei01 wrote: Some of Sum41's older stuff....

!!! You mean like Half Hour of Power stuff? Grab the Devil By the Horns and .....

well not exactly, I was wanting to include certain groups for their works in the 1990's to the early 2000's.
like Greenday's earlier stuff. I loved it, but now the band has taken a turn off the emo cliff. There music has gone from good to about par. I can only think of maybe 2 or 3 songs off there last few albums that I sort of like compared to just simply loving there older stuff.

At 1/24/10 08:15 PM, Kinsei01 wrote:
Oh yeah you notice this AFTER i up load new ones, I see how you are... :P

At 1/24/10 08:03 PM, gween123 wrote: irrelevant but i'd like to post this,i have an idea for a collab and dont have flash.:( i would like to know if anyone is willing to help.PM me.

well sure were willing, but you'd probably have better luck trying to get help for a collab over at the Flash Forum but hey since your here, whats your idea...

cryptids like the wendigo,el chupacabra,bigfoot,nessie.i'll come up with the full list later.hopefully tomorrow.

At 1/24/10 10:33 PM, gween123 wrote:
cryptids like the wendigo,el chupacabra,bigfoot,nessie.i'll come up with the full list later.hopefully tomorrow.

so you want to do something that involves cryptozoology, admirable yes, but the space bar should help you get this message across better in the future.
but less with the list of natures wannabes, and more on the specs of the collaboration.
How, exactly, do you intend on going about making this? Also an important point brought to me by Nae some time ago, how would you go about keeping people from cheating, and catching those who would cheat?

Also let us not forget the Creature of the Week pieces we do. This thread falls perfectly under the X-files normal list of culprits.
Perhaps that might be more of what you are looking for rather than going threw the hell that is a typical collab...

At 1/24/10 10:29 PM, Kinsei01 wrote:

At 1/24/10 08:34 PM, CloudEater wrote:

At 1/24/10 04:25 PM, Kinsei01 wrote: Some of Sum41's older stuff....

!!! You mean like Half Hour of Power stuff? Grab the Devil By the Horns and .....

well not exactly, I was wanting to include certain groups for their works in the 1990's to the early 2000's.
like Greenday's earlier stuff. I loved it, but now the band has taken a turn off the emo cliff.

Man, Sum 41 was awesome. Then Avril played Yoko Ono, and Brownsound left, so then they sucked. I was so pissed when that happened.

At 1/24/10 07:07 PM, BlackmarketKraig wrote: It's harder for me to do most anything creative without some kind of background noise, be it writing, painting, digitally painting or animating. I don't know why but it feels like I can't concentrate on doing something creative unless something is stimulating the auditory part of my brain as well.

It's the same for me, though perhaps it's because I often work alone, on my room, so a little 'life' around me is nice.
I can't always work with music on, but when I'm in the flow (you know the flow), music just... makes everything better.

Maybe it's a right brain/left brain kinda thing.

On the subject of what do we listen to when making teh purty artz.

Depending on the project content, and length of the project it varies.

In class projects tend to get the shuffle on my 70GB of music on the ipod.

Short projects at home where I can be near the screen normally get a movie, or some episodes of MST3K playing because music is quite frankly kind dull when you are home and alone.

Long home projects where I have to be away from the computer screen normally are accompanied by various TED talks, because I like engaging things that I don't have to be visually distracted or need visuals to enjoy. When I had a radio I just put on NPR or something before I discovered TED.

Go!

At 1/25/10 03:15 PM, JoeTheToucan wrote: Just throwing my solid views out there. I love how we aren't permitted to give opinion alone anymore unless it's licking up the artist and stating how good s/he is, and we can only comment negatively about how 'well it's drawn' as opposed to exactly what it is. Despite the fact no-one posts their art for pointers, but merely to show it off, we have to post 'helpful' responses. I think everyone's blunt opinion is valuable, whether hate filled or saliva laden. I think monarch decided today not to censor his post and tell it as he sees it, which I admired.

This is a forum, you can give your opinion all you want. It's value though is determined by what the opinion is actually founded on and indirectly the person from who it actually comes from. I'm not so sure one post containing a picture, coupled with your (I assume) hate of the genre and a username someone saw fit to use provides a well laid base from which you can come to a conclusion.

Hm, I seem to be able to draw a parallel from this to something else... what's it called again... Right, racism. That's what it was.
About equally stupid.

We've been lovers for several months now and are thinking of adopting a child. If you can't be happy for us please link arms with a lemming and let him do the rest.

I suppose you have to clean your mirror now.

At 1/25/10 03:37 PM, RNNR wrote: Go!

lol you live in a silly made-up country

Shame

At 1/25/10 03:46 PM, JoeTheToucan wrote:

At 1/25/10 03:37 PM, RNNR wrote: Go!

lol you live in a silly made-up country

Last I heard, it was England that existed in storybooks and fairytales.

At 1/25/10 03:52 PM, big-jonny-13 wrote:

Usually when I'm drawing (if i remember to put music on) I usually type gorillaz into pandora, I only get 1 or 2 songs i didn't like.
I really like site like pandora, etc, cause they play songs I wouldn't normally listen to.

Though I tend to get a lot of daft punk which is fine, but its the same thing for every song pretty much.

At 1/25/10 03:52 PM, big-jonny-13 wrote:

Last I heard, it was England that existed in storybooks and fairytales.

It still does...

I'm actually a goblin...

Can you guess what Mythical, under-bridge dwelling creature Toucan is?

At 1/25/10 03:46 PM, JoeTheToucan wrote: lol you live in a silly made-up country

Shame

You actually went to my profile to see what's what. Guess I've done something right.

At 1/25/10 04:00 PM, GrumpyTom wrote:

Can you guess what Mythical, under-bridge dwelling creature Toucan is?

Well, dwelling under a bridge I think was too much of a hint, obviously he's a hobo.

with a laptop.

At 1/25/10 03:52 PM, big-jonny-13 wrote:

At 1/25/10 03:46 PM, JoeTheToucan wrote:

At 1/25/10 03:37 PM, RNNR wrote: Go!

lol you live in a silly made-up country

Last I heard, it was England that existed in storybooks and fairytales.

why am i not magical then, i am dissapoint

I don't really know how to phrase what I want to say, so this post is gonna be a complete mess. Still, you'll get what I'm trying to say.

At 1/25/10 03:22 PM, BlackmarketKraig wrote: If we have to have this discussion do it in the lounge, k? this thread is junked up enough as it is.

I wasn't really criticizing anime, I was criticizing hentai (anime isn't automatically shit, imo, most anime on this forum is just uninspired and/or badly made). How can I give a constructive critique of hentai? Will it have more artistic merit if the anatomy is better? No matter how well it is drawn, it will still be hentai. Hentai is porn. Porn is not art. This is what Joe was talking about. Why can't we judge drawings for what they are, not how well they are drawn? Porn will always be porn, Sonic fan art will always be Sonic fan art, and so on.

Honestly, everyone on this forum needs to grow some fucking balls and not blindly protect everyone's nice little feelings.

I think that's all for now. Goodnight.

At 1/25/10 03:15 PM, JoeTheToucan wrote: Just throwing my solid views out there. I love how we aren't permitted to give opinion alone anymore unless it's licking up the artist and stating how good s/he is, and we can only comment negatively about how 'well it's drawn' as opposed to exactly what it is. Despite the fact no-one posts their art for pointers, but merely to show it off, we have to post 'helpful' responses. I think everyone's blunt opinion is valuable, whether hate filled or saliva laden. I think monarch decided today not to censor his post and tell it as he sees it, which I admired.

I both kind of agree to this and disagree.
I agree because, yes it seems that(mostly BMK and ben) are trying to get people to tone it down on the insults a bit, which is by no means a bid thing. But I'v seen you give the "why I don't like anime speech before" And giving every time you feel like voicing you're opinion would be tedious, so you make it short and sweet. Coming off as an asshole.

At the same, it is very easy to be a total asshole and put people in they're place, it just takes a bit of effort to make it criticism, I'v been an asshole to people on the forum, but I'v been constructive, and usually my douchebaggery is totally rationalized by the fact that if I'm being an ass, the person more than likely had it coming.

At 1/25/10 04:05 PM, M-Vero wrote:

Well, dwelling under a bridge I think was too much of a hint...

Gutted, I set that one up and all!

lol @ anime being the art not drawn by professionals and being cancer to the art world

At 1/25/10 04:23 PM, austinzombie wrote: lol @ anime being the art not drawn by professionals and being cancer to the art world

Lol @ the fact nothing to that affect was even said.

... I quite like that nude anime bird, lol. Even though it looks like the spine's been coiled up so her shoulders meet her hips, I like the sugary-sweet palette and the cutesy-wutesy lollipop imagery.

BizzJoe's not gonna like me for this, but I can't stand KevinSano's Princess ... Daisy (who the fuck's Daisy?) I'll agree with you about the motivation of the pic being something I judge the art on. Sano does some brilliant colouring, but at the end of the day, it's "Princess Daisy? So THAT'S what her lady bits look like"

That other pic? It's not hentai, it's a nude bird on some lollies.

I generally try to stay out of these kinds of disscussions because even if they make headway they still dont go very far. But this one Im gonna say a word or two on...

At 1/25/10 04:11 PM, idiot-monarch wrote: I wasn't really criticizing anime, I was criticizing hentai (anime isn't automatically shit, imo, most anime on this forum is just uninspired and/or badly made).

Very true, anime as a genre isn't inherently bad (as opposed to abstract expressionism, all that shit sucks). Its like you said, the problem is more its canon and treatment on this forum by the artists who use it (you are an exception Cypress, relax a minute). My biggest beef with anime is that in general all of it looks the same. Bad anime isnt too far from good anime. Because its canonized its closer to say, Egyptian style art (in that you follow a set of rules to create a predetermined and desired look that others follow with similar results). Eyes are done with a certain technique, face and proportions obey certain rules, as does color and other elements of the style. While this isnt a bad thing or particularly uncommon it tends towards uniformity and monotony. The same can be said about comic book style in the vein of marvel comics. There are many different artists, but that certain style seems like it could all be done by one person, because there are SPECIFIC rules that the style goes by.

While the same could be said about any style and movement of art the difference is that anime is easy to produce through mimicry. Its appeal is solely visual. A 10 yo kid with moderate skill can copy an anime drawing and it will look decent (not bad, but not good, decent) and will most likely fit just fine into an anime category. The same can be said about only a few styles (most being canonized cartoon styles) You could NOT do the same with say an impressionist painting, a photo-realist portrait, or a Renaissance landscape or figurative narrative. Why? because their rules aren't simply visual queues and techniques, they involve more of the artist and the artists mind and hand than simply reciting a list of unconscious instructions.

That's enough on that (and believe me i could on and on and on and on and....)

How can I give a constructive critique of hentai? Will it have more artistic merit if the anatomy is better? No matter how well it is drawn, it will still be hentai.

Actually you can give constructive criticism to any style of art, EVEN if you dont like the piece or style. The trick is to remember the style of the piece and its own aesthetics within that style. You wouldnt critique a DADAist sculpture using the same rules and aesthetics as a greek statue. The first question you should ask yourself when critiquing ANY piece is "consider the style and the artists intentions, how successful is this piece?" NOT "is this as good as everything else i have ever seen"

Hentai is porn. Porn is not art.

I beg to differ :)

This is what Joe was talking about. Why can't we judge drawings for what they are, not how well they are drawn?

As I said above you SHOULD judge drawings for what they are, within the parameters of the artists intention and the style its in. You may comment on how well a drawing is drawn, but if thats not the point then you are just giving a useless compliment. In my own work I have done pieces where the quality of the drawing came second to the composition and the meaning or technique explored. If people only talked about the drawing skill it would be a wasted critique. In the case of the piece in question, the critique should be "considering its anime, borderline hentai, is this good?" And "good" becomes actually definable BECAUSE it falls in that category (anime, hentai). Its hard to decide what is a "good" painting, because painting as a style and medium is so varied and subjective, however something with a set look and style "good" is no longer objective. There is a right and wrong answer when it comes to certain styles (and while that answer may be vary wide ranging, there is still a "wrong" answer). the piece in question wasn't wrong, it just wasn't anything new for that style, so it was average. It was successful, but it pushed no boundaries, it tried nothing new, and did nothing particularly well, ergo slightly above average at best. Even in a style with such a hardened look and feel as anime it IS possible to create new exciting pieces that stretch the mold. Its just much more difficult to push those limits when its such a cookie cutter style. The same goes for ANY STYLE that becomes overused and manufactured feeling.

Honestly, everyone on this forum needs to grow some fucking balls and not blindly protect everyone's nice little feelings.

Yes, people need to stop licking scrotum and cuddling people. As I said a few pages back, harsh critiques done correctly are infinitely more useful than a bunch of pats on the back. Although give praise were warranted.

(if you read all that than give yourself a cookie.)

At 1/25/10 04:42 PM, ornery wrote:

Stuff
I will enjoy my cookie, thoroughly, thank you.

Yes, people need to stop licking scrotum and cuddling people. As I said a few pages back, harsh critiques done correctly are infinitely more useful than a bunch of pats on the back. Although give praise were warranted.

I've given a similar speech before, usually when people complain about critiques.

At 1/25/10 04:42 PM, ornery wrote: (if you read all that than give yourself a cookie.)

I gave myself a box of cookies, and they're sitting in my drawer.
But in all seriousness, damn Ornery, you really know how to convey a message and captivate an audience (well, at least a reader).

AwkwardStockPhotos.org
A blog for weird and wonderful stock-photos.

"Isembard, we're losing shareholders!"
"Cripes Mr Badcrumble, we need to make a Powerpoint presentatin."
"Indeed my boy. We need a photo to show how our company is diverse and hardworking."
"I'll check the stock photo websites
.....
"I have bought the best picture available, sir."
"Good good, is it a white, black and chinese businessmen hugging?"
"Nope, it's a midget in a bathtub."

All I want to say at this point is that criticism is fine and dandy and is a great way for people learn to produce better work. But there is (again) a difference between criticism and "your genre sucks, do something different."

Hentai and porn art, are, to me, as valid as any other form of art so long as it's properly identified as such, so that people who wish to not see nudity don't have to. Depending on the current standards of the day and culture simple nudes or anything vaguely sexualized may be strictly taboo, but, today, are often proudly displayed in the finest museums.

Anyway, if you want to get technical, what was posted in that thread may be classified as "ecchi" which is anime of a somewhat more vague sexual nature without actual nudity or sex.

srsly

What an odd conversation that is going on....
damn took me 10 minuets of reading to catch up......
...
I'll watch this unfold intently

even though I think it's about as unfolded as it is going to get

At 1/25/10 05:02 PM, TurkeyOnAStick wrote: "I have bought the best picture available, sir."
"Good good, is it a white, black and chinese businessmen hugging?"
"Nope, it's a midget in a bathtub."

That will bring you so much buisness.

At 1/25/10 05:25 PM, Kinsei01 wrote:

even though I think it's about as unfolded as it is going to get

I agree. Ornery's mega post ended it....

At 1/25/10 04:42 PM, ornery wrote: this one Im gonna say a word or two on...

Id say theres alot more there, lol...