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Who exactly won the Vietnam war?

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Response to Who exactly won the Vietnam war? 2007-11-01 23:29:40


At 11/1/07 11:15 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: - Two whole years after that peace treaty, the North Vietnamese BROKE their end of the bargain and invaded South Vietnam in the ABSENCE of the US. The only US personnel were embassy security at the time, so the South Vietnamese DID NOT defeat the US military in anyway.

That's because the election that was to be held (which would have been won by the communists) never took place, due to Diem wanting to keep in power.


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Response to Who exactly won the Vietnam war? 2007-11-01 23:32:18


At 11/1/07 11:29 PM, Kuro wrote:

That's because the election that was to be held (which would have been won by the communists) never took place, due to Diem wanting to keep in power.

Until he was blown away, JFK wasn't surprised at this since he figured it may happen eventually.


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Response to Who exactly won the Vietnam war? 2007-11-01 23:34:57


It was a tie. Nixon was framed, and Kennedy was a commie. Any other questions?


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Response to Who exactly won the Vietnam war? 2007-11-01 23:36:12


I did.

I ATE EVERYONE ELSE!!!!!

Muh ha ha ha...


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Response to Who exactly won the Vietnam war? 2007-11-01 23:40:13


At 11/1/07 03:39 PM, Joshiwa wrote:
At 11/1/07 03:34 PM, K-RadPie wrote:
At 11/1/07 03:28 PM, Joshiwa wrote: Actually technically it was never a war, just a conflict. We never declared war then we just left sooo no one really.
Actually, it was a war you dumbass. Just because we didn't declare it doesn't mean it wasn't a war.
Ask your history teacher kid and stfu. I really don't feel like arguing.

My history teacher said it was a war and the whole thing about calling it a conflict is stupid, because it fell under the definition of war.


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Response to Who exactly won the Vietnam war? 2007-11-01 23:44:18


At 11/1/07 02:56 PM, AbsurdRandomness wrote:

Was there a winner?

Chuck Norris won.

Response to Who exactly won the Vietnam war? 2007-11-01 23:50:51


WE'RE NOT HERE FOR A HISTORY LESSON!!!!!!!!


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Response to Who exactly won the Vietnam war? 2007-11-01 23:51:52


At 11/1/07 03:42 PM, Mendou wrote: No one did, we came to help out the south yet we were losing too many soldiers and too many people were against the war.

No, USA didnt come to help... they we're the reason for the war... you know that thing called The Cold War ??? URSS vs USA ??? Neo-colonialism ???
Americans were trying to make Vietnam become Capitalist
Soviets were trying to make em Communist
You were not "helping them"


Thus we pulled out while south Vietnam was eventually conquered by the north.

yup


Useless war really.

There is no good reason for war other than fighting tyranny !!!

Response to Who exactly won the Vietnam war? 2007-11-01 23:53:38


I'm glad you decided to resort to name-calling. Really typical of you.

You don't even know what I'm talking about and you still brew up a shitstorm. Christ.

Response to Who exactly won the Vietnam war? 2007-11-01 23:54:15


At 11/1/07 11:51 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: No, USA didnt come to help... they we're the reason for the war... you know that thing called The Cold War ??? URSS vs USA ??? Neo-colonialism ???
Americans were trying to make Vietnam become Capitalist
Soviets were trying to make em Communist
You were not "helping them"

The Chinesse were the ones helping north Vietnam not the Soviets.


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Response to Who exactly won the Vietnam war? 2007-11-01 23:54:47


At 11/1/07 11:49 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: Therefore the US did not lose the war

Hey, guess who withdrew and allowed Vietnam to become communist?


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Response to Who exactly won the Vietnam war? 2007-11-01 23:57:51


Everybody living over the age of 76 that is american.


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Response to Who exactly won the Vietnam war? 2007-11-01 23:59:08


At 11/1/07 11:49 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:

Now, 2 years after the peace treaty was signed, North Vietnam BROKE their agreement, and invaded South Vietnam when the US was already almost completely withdrawn from the country.

lollll

And you really think that Americans didn't knew they would do it ??? They just didn't fucking cared because they had already lost... but they needed to make things look cool so they wouldn't be considered as traitors who left south vietnam alone to get kicked in the ass... They did the same exact thing that England did with the Jews when they threw them in Palestine...


Therefore the US did not lose the war, because the war that ended up with South Vietnam destroyed was not fought by the US. The US military actually won the original war, but due to treachery of the North Vietnamese, and the reluctance of US politicians to recommit to ENFORCE that victory, the North Vietnamese created a new war that they won since the US wasn't there and had already been gone for almost 2 years.

Treachery? it was obvious even in the mind of the Americans but they didn't give a fuck after they lost


Get a grip on reality.

lol.... you get a grip on reality... you live in america... you guys are capitalists... you guys don't fight for anybody else than yourselves...

But don't missunderstand me !!! I'm not saying you should fight for anybody... but please at least don't try to act like if you guys we're heroes in that war... cause thats a lie !

Response to Who exactly won the Vietnam war? 2007-11-02 00:01:20


At 11/1/07 11:56 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: Vietnamese Communism was tyranny, and the South Vietnamese specifically asked for the US to protect them from it.

Diem's regime was hardly a happy fun land, either.


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Response to Who exactly won the Vietnam war? 2007-11-02 00:01:40


Terrorists.


Grey power.

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Response to Who exactly won the Vietnam war? 2007-11-02 00:03:56


At 11/2/07 12:00 AM, cellardoor6 wrote: You might as well say that WWII was part of WWII.

I think you ment so say "You might as well say that WWI was part of WWII."


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Response to Who exactly won the Vietnam war? 2007-11-02 00:03:59


Because making a peace treaty means that no one loses.

No why am I responding to this horrible troll no no no bad

Response to Who exactly won the Vietnam war? 2007-11-02 00:09:29


At 11/1/07 11:56 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:
At 11/1/07 11:51 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:
At 11/1/07 03:42 PM, Mendou wrote: No one did, we came to help out the south yet we were losing too many soldiers and too many people were against the war.
No, USA didnt come to help
Actually the US did come to help because South Vietnam specifically requested that the US come to their rescue.

Cause americans realised that for their economy it was better to have more capitalist countries then communist countries..


... they we're the reason for the war
Lol YEAH! Because North Vietnam totally didn't invade South Vietnam...

Oh yeah... and North Vietnam we're allied with the Soviets... so Americans felt the need to go there and fight the Soviets... Vietnam would have become a communist country and that kind of people just don't want to have any commercial activity with capitalist countries.


... you know that thing called The Cold War ??? URSS vs USA ??? Neo-colonialism ???
Americans were trying to make Vietnam become Capitalist
Actually the US was trying to make Vietnam become Democratic, and to protect South Vietnam from North Vietnamese, SOviet-backed communism which is anti-democratic.

They don't give a fuck about who's democratic or not, they just care about the money they could get out of it !


Soviets were trying to make em Communist
You were not "helping them"
Um the US wasn't trying to convert north Vietnam to capitalism. The US was protecting South Vietnam FROM the North Vietnamese trying to convert SOuth Vietnam to communism by force.

Yup this is called "Cold War" and Americans we're doing juuuust the same


If the US had the goal of even destroying North Vietnam, it would have happened. But no, the US mission was to protect SOuth Vietnam, not to conquer North Vietnam. That is why the US fought with its hands behind its whole back and only used a tiny, tiny fraction of its air power in North Vietnam.

The US could have conquered North Vietnam, but that was not the goal. The US could have laid waste to every city in North Vietnam, but unlike the North Vietnamese, the US obeyed rules of war and had to use restraint, only using a fraction of available combat power.

In fact they didn't really won, cause they just couldn't get all the Vietkongs (can't remember the correct spelling)


Useless war really.
There is no good reason for war other than fighting tyranny !!!
Vietnamese Communism was tyranny, and the South Vietnamese specifically asked for the US to protect them from it.

Communism was tyranny cause their leaders we're selfish people....
I don't believe in communism cause there is too many evil and selfish people on earth who would fuck the whole thing... but communism is not supposed to be a tyrrany... it's just sad that their leaders we're ass holes !!

And please tell me why would the Americans try to protect them ??? Why are they supposed to care ???

Response to Who exactly won the Vietnam war? 2007-11-02 00:27:19


At 11/1/07 02:57 PM, Diddy wrote: The Vietminh technically because the USA left and all that changed was like a tiny border change.

Communist North then came down and took over.

Vietnam/Communism won

Listen to this guy, he's completely correctly in some regards. There is a South and North Korea still and they are technically still at war. But I've never understood why there was still a South Korea if the North/Chinise won? I think America forced Soviet intervention to stop so the Americans left and when we did the North Koreans Chinise support fell through.


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Response to Who exactly won the Vietnam war? 2007-11-02 00:31:37


Depends on what you look, but Vientam in the end.

With the US presence there, the US military was able to defeat the North Vientamize and the Vientcong in military maneuvers.

But it was unable to win the war due to other factors; politics, public opinion, the Vientamize themselves and our Cold War mentallity at the time.

The Battlefield isn't the only center for war, and the Vientamize knew that. They didn't have to win the battles, all they had to do was not lose them all.


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Response to Who exactly won the Vietnam war? 2007-11-02 00:50:14


At 11/2/07 12:27 AM, FuZzYLoG1C wrote: Listen to this guy, he's completely correctly in some regards. There is a South and North Korea still and they are technically still at war. But I've never understood why there was still a South Korea if the North/Chinise won? I think America forced Soviet intervention to stop so the Americans left and when we did the North Koreans Chinise support fell through.

They're not 'technically' at war as of, um, October? Yeah, I think. Keep up with the news.

Response to Who exactly won the Vietnam war? 2007-11-02 19:23:36


At 11/2/07 12:10 AM, cellardoor6 wrote:
At 11/1/07 11:59 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:
At 11/1/07 11:49 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:
Now, 2 years after the peace treaty was signed, North Vietnam BROKE their agreement, and invaded South Vietnam when the US was already almost completely withdrawn from the country.
lollll

And you really think that Americans didn't knew they would do it ???
LOL!

OMG HOW DARE AMERICANS EXPECT PEOPLE TO OBEY TREATIES!

Damn Americans for not expecting a UN-backed treaty to be actually be enforced!

Hahahah !!!! No they didn't expected them to respect the treaties, but they had to sign one just to pretend they really cared about South Vietnam... or else they would have came back to protect them after North Vietnam broke the treaty!!


They just didn't fucking cared because they had already lost...
Actually the US already won. Why don't you actually get acquainted with teh facts instead of repeating myths?

The myths are those stupid things you moron learn in school just to make you trust in your country !


What was the US goal of the Vietnam War? To protect South Vietnam, not to conquer North Vietnam.

Oh yeah !! They wanted to protect the world from the BIG BAD EVIL COMMUNISTS !!! and save the democrati !!! Oh yeah so why don't they go save all the other un-democratic country in the world if they care so much ? Today there is a lot of un-democratic countries in the world, and where are you super american heroes ???


What did the official peace treaty achieve? A commitment from North Vietnam to no longer show aggression to South Vietnam.

yup and also a good reason for the US to leave.


Therefore the US won the war.

no


The subsequent war that took place when the US had already won, did not involve the US.

yes, cause thats exactly what they wanted, after they saw they couldnt win, they pretended the war was over with a treaty so they could get the fuck out of there without being pointed out as traitors.


If you're going to say that the US lost the war, then if 10 years from now Germany takes over Europe... then you'd have to say the allies lost both WWI and WWII in which Germany's goal was to do just that. Nevermind that those wars both ended in allied victory, with treaties, and that what Germany would do 10 years from now would be a separate war.

No... they won the war... obviously cause the Axis all felt down... there is no fucking link between the WW2 and Vietnam war...

Oh yeah and by the way, Soviets we're already communists since 1917, but still, Americans joinned their team to fight against the EVIL NAZI !!! In that time the USA didn't thought that communists we're evil and anti-democratic ??? YEAH RIGHT !!! they just didn't had any economic reasons to fight the URSS...


but they needed to make things look cool so they wouldn't be considered as traitors who left south vietnam alone to get kicked in the ass...
And of course, unlike me, you have zero proof of any kind to validate that.

Where are your proofs ??


Treachery? it was obvious even in the mind of the Americans but they didn't give a fuck after they lost
Um actually it was expected from Americans that after they already won, as the US did, that the treaty would be upheld.

another good joke.


Americans tend to expect people to obey treaties. The UN sponsored that treaty, so therefore technically, so the UN was responsible for allowing one party of that treaty to break the criteria of it.

they didn't care as I told you before...


Get a grip on reality.
lol.... you get a grip on reality... you live in america... you guys are capitalists... you guys don't fight for anybody else than yourselves...
LOL! You're a Canadian! YOU are capitalist! You're just so fucking brainwashed by your Canadian inferiority complex that you think you can scapegoat the US for everything that your country does as well. You benefit from American capitalism, yet you want to point your finger at the US for whatever negative byproduct of capitalism exists.

I don't feel any inferiority complex... your society is based on selfishness and being careless about everybody else and the world. We benefit from your American capitalism as you benefit from our Canadian Social-democracy. And also I don't really understand why you attack me for being a Canadian... I'm ok with what I've got and I don't want to be American... fuck no ! And why do you think that I hate you for being capitalist... I never ever said that... I just mentionned you guys were capitalists...


Canada is capitalist, in fact Canada is DEPENDENT on American capitalism. And you want to point your finger at the US? Is this possibly because American-style capitalism dominates your economy?

Don't you know that North America have signed commercial treaties ??? You also depend on us... and again... we are social-democrats... not capitalist... even if our governement sucks...lol just like yours :P


You are seriously delusional.

No... we aren't capitalists...
Its not cause we have economic links with capitalists or socialists that we are like one of these. We have a very specific kind of economy.

ITS CALLED SOCIAL-DEMOCRACY !!!

Also go inform yourself about economic treaties between countries of North America

Response to Who exactly won the Vietnam war? 2007-11-02 19:26:25


Americans militarily won, but since they had to pull out due to politics, the North Vietnamese won.

fucking politicans and stupid hippies- I mean protesters.

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Response to Who exactly won the Vietnam war? 2007-11-02 19:28:13


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Response to Who exactly won the Vietnam war? 2007-11-02 19:30:09


At 11/2/07 07:28 PM, KillerClam wrote: America:the worlds overworked asswipers

The rest of the world except for devoted allies to America: The world's ungrateful bitches.

Exactly how many times did America had to work out a conflict, problem, or war, and the country they helped were ungrateful?


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Response to Who exactly won the Vietnam war? 2007-11-02 19:30:53


At 11/1/07 11:40 PM, LordJaric wrote:
At 11/1/07 03:39 PM, Joshiwa wrote:
Ask your history teacher kid and stfu. I really don't feel like arguing.
My history teacher said it was a war and the whole thing about calling it a conflict is stupid, because it fell under the definition of war.

Well theres your answer... He may think its stupid but its the truth. It was a conflict.


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Response to Who exactly won the Vietnam war? 2007-11-02 20:54:00


America lost, deal with it, enough with the essays.


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Response to Who exactly won the Vietnam war? 2007-11-02 20:59:28


Nobody won, it was a costly and pointless war. Diplomacy should have been used.


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Response to Who exactly won the Vietnam war? 2007-11-02 21:02:23


The war was a lost cause. The Americans didn't win it at all. Much like the Iraq war really.


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Response to Who exactly won the Vietnam war? 2007-11-02 21:08:44


At 11/2/07 09:04 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:
At 11/2/07 08:54 PM, WilliWowza wrote: America lost, deal with it, enough with the essays.
Whine with a side of cheese

No, the entrenched North Vietnamese and the pathetic ARVN meant that US forces present there only lead to a prolonged stalemate. You can whine and moan about treaties, but in the end the second they started withdrawing troops the war was lost.
NOW CALL ME BRITISH AND SHIT UP SOME IRRELEVANT STATISTICS HURRRRRRR


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