At 6/3/03 04:43 PM, Shih wrote:
Right off the bat I'd like to say as tactlessly as he put Nitro's right Ted saying "I don't mean to be insulting" and then insulting the person isn't just condescending it's offensive, I'm asking you to at least openly insult the DAG if you must, don't try and be subtle about it assuming we won't notice Ted.
I'd already covered this, and aside from what I've said, what makes you think what he said was meant to be hidden. You guys seriously underestimate Ted if you think that was his version of a veiled insult.
As far as "quality control" goes you're right we don't believe in it because everyones beliefs on topics like politics are valid even if we don't agree with them.
One of the PC's founding principles: We don't want everyone to agree with each other. That would be boring. All we ask is that you make informed and worthwhile posts
WHen saying we're more open-minded than the PC I mean that while the PC as group tends to agree with each other (this is not an all inclusive statement I realize you do vary on some issues but not having access to Snooble can make it difficult to tell how much) the DAGers rarely agree on anything in the political spectrum.
You say that we all agree with each other? look at the picture I've included from Page 2 of the PC Pictures Post
We ARE all over the spectrum.
When it comes to being aggressive we tend to be much more militant in our viewpoints than the PC. I don't say this is always a good thing or always a bad thing it's solely and observation.
So, you're open minded and staunchly defensive of your views? Ok, well, we'll skip the irony and contradiction there... because so far, when you try to differentiate between the PC and the DAG by listing qualities of the DAG, you just end up describing the PC as well.
I see the way of doing this differently than FUNK or Canni or any other DAGer, and I believe people will join for different reasons than they do just as they're opinions differ from mine. That's what the DAG is about though differences. I'm not saying the PC is conformist simply that it has a much more similar member base than we do.
LOL again, this shows the ignorance you all have of the PC. Again, see the picture below. it's almost, but not quite as old as we are.
At 6/3/03 04:50 PM, FUNKbrs wrote:
Quantify openmindedness and aggressiveness. Ok, Ill give it a shot.
Hilarity ensues...
Agressiveness (for the sake of the argument)=topic maintenance without flaming.
I hope you aren't trying to imply that the PC just flame people in the topics. And I hope you aren't trying to imply that the DAG do not.
And to assume that one group is more guilty of flaming shows the blatant ignorance I'm discussing here
DAG topics, while fewer in number, tend to be DAG dominated.
I'd like to point out that this is the doing of the DAG, and no-one else. Group mentality. "Ohh look! Shih posted! *posts* ohh look! FUNK posted! *posts*".
The PC does this as well, but only with the Picture Post.
I'm truly sorry, but most topics started by DAG members aren't worth the effort to post in, and many people (not just PC members~I have friends outside the PC in here) won't post in topics created by a certain *un-named* member, just because no one has or will have respect for him. (Ohh shoot! that's a clue, isn't it?) I have respect for some members of the DAG, but I won't post in a topic just because I like the person who created it. It has to be worthwhile to me.
Hell, even non-DAG topics that DAGers like tend to stay at the top of the chart, for the simple fact that most DAGers are prolific posters.
So? Same goes for the topics PC members like. And that is because PC members are "prolific posters".
No joke... when you guys talk about yourselves, you just end up talking about characteristics the PC holds dear.
I post all day at work, and Shih, Nitroxide, Cannibal, and Lyddiechu are pretty commone names in the forum. We may be small in number, but the letters "DAG" blaze across every worthwhile thread around.
And this is not also true for PC members? Again, you try and distinguish yourself, but the line only becomes more fuzzy.
And not just that, but the yin-yang is recognizeable in topics from years ago. Not just from this or last month.
Open mindedness. The DAG is willing to accept any train of argument, provided it has a valid base and lacks flame. Pro-Fascism? As long as you support your argument with valid reasoning (ie, Fascism is a very efficient and progressive form of government), be assured a DAG will be willing to agree with you.
Here is a quote from Snooble that shows our open-mindedness.
I would support some one who could logically defend the KKK. I don't think it could be done however, but if the arguement was raised...
If we find ourselves limiting the membership based on views, then we face quite a bit of trouble.
Again, I fail to see how we are not open-minded, or even less open-minded.
I don't want that kind of radical in our crew, but since we're about good debate and not about similar views, if someone could debate something so idiotic and hateful as the KKK, and do it effectively, that person probably get in, no sweat.
Again, the more you try to set yourselves apart, the more you sound like the PC.
But the main perk of being a DAG is that there are always people willing to give a good arument.
So do we. This point is null and void.
PC-style; which is support your own view, and attack the opposing view
Mostly right... see the next response.
DAG-style; find common ground with your opponent and use their arguments to build a conclusion both sides can agree upon.
Also a style of the PC. The problem is that you can't just define us. you can't draw a box and say "this is all that is PC".
Good examples of PC members with this quality would be myself, Freakapotimus, Nirvana13666, HouseOfLeaves, Ted_Easton, etc...