Reviews for Pro-War Rally

[CriscoBoy]

OK movie

I guess your movie was OK because I guess you were going for powerful yet straight-to-the-point

OK, all you people are talking about how the war was a good thing, or how the war was all for money, but in the end nobody says more than one piece of circumstancial (did I spell that right?) evidence

I'm not saying I'm pro-war or anti-war (in terms of the Iraq war), probably the most accurate description is that I'm a little bit of both. But, my point is that saying something that basically amounts to "Iraq has lots of oil, that's why we went to war" or "9-11 happened, that's why we went to war" doesn't cut it as an argument for or against war. You people really are all retards - "we went to war for oil" - I mean, what the fuck is that supposed to mean? Are you saying that we went to war so we could control their oil fields? has it ever occured to you that if we conquered their oil and claimed it ours the world would kill us? Has it ever occured to you that we could have just lowered the sanctions we had against the middle-eastern oil-producing companies? has it ever ocured to you that we could've just tapped more of our own resources (Anwar, in Alaska) for oil? has it ever occured to you that an oil shortage wasn't actually happening at the moment in America? has it occured to you that oil is indeed an extremely big deal? "we went to war for 9-11" Yeah, 9-11 is a big deal, and 4,000 people died, but in and of itself it's not an argument. At least say "we want to prevent attacks on America", in which case you have to show how much of Iraq is or isn't a threat to America. Or has it ever occured to you that war might not be the best long-term plan in combating terrorism?

All you people say just one damned thing and act like it solves all the problems and answers all the quesitons dealing with whether we should have gone to war. Hell, even the arguments I presented barely do the situation justice, though I think you get the point.

What's even more, nobody seems to care about epxertise. Have any of you ever taken even are any of you Phd's in Macroeconomics? Have you even taken a college-level or even just a high-school level course in Economics? Are any of you Chemical Engineers? Do you even know the basics of weapons technologies or how and for what oil is refined and used? If the answer is "no" then you probably shouldn't be talking. If you haven't learned anything about economics, don't give monetary arguments. If you don't know about weapons, don't give arguments of how much of a threat Iraq was.

To put it frankly, unless you are Doctor in a relevant field presenting an analysis that consists of at least 15 pages, you're barely doing the situation justice.

I'm not saying that I'm some super-expert, I'm just saying that it does takes experts and thorough analyses to make any decisions about something as costly as war.

Arguments that raise only a single point aren't good enough for a decision involving something as costly as war.

NewEvolution responds:

All very good points...but this is NG after all. I'm quite happy to get any response, no matter how misinformed or one-sided, as it allows me to try and inform them a bit. Obviously I'm not a multi-doctorate holder, but I would consider myself better informed than the average American. While I can't pinpoint the exact cause of the war, it's pretty obvious it was based more on economic concerns than those of national security or terrorism. The fact that the current administration argued the exact opposite, foisting a war based on a lie on the American people is what I'm most concerned about.

As for the oil issue, it's not about a shortage it's about power. For one our military eats, drinks and breathes oil, and on top of that, controlling the 2nd largest oil reserve in the world means we have a huge hand in regulating global oil prices...a privilage we didn't have before. I'm not going to even go into the plastics industry and it's oil-guzzling capabilities.

In any case I'm trying to get people to discuss the situation, and at that I'm certainly succeeding. Anything critical thought is better than simply absorbing the views fed to you by the media.

[promontorium]

I suppose this was a gain in your return

You invested a specific amount of time into this work. It was very simple, the animation consisted of a line scrolling. It conveyed a very clear message and then you spelled it out in the end. I am am sure you are proud of it. It definitely succeded in reaching it's goal. But as a whole, I just like my Newgrounds animations to have more.

NewEvolution responds:

Precisely.

This wasn't really designed for entertainment purposes, but rather to convey its message succinctly. Glad you were able to take it as what it was and yet review critically and fairly.

Getting its message out to a few Newgroundlings is success enough for me as far as this series is concerned.

[y2kh8r]

Helloooooo

umm...do you remember a *little* thing called 9-11 ???????yeah.. those filthy zealots killed 3000 of our people for no apparent reason.I wish there really were pro war rallies as opposed to the idiotic anti war rallies...those people are idiots....the claim they want peace then they start a riot..sounds a bit hipocritical to me.

NewEvolution responds:

You are obviously brainwashed by the media. To an alarming degree even. Just in case you've forgotten, let's recap. As far as we can tell the 9/11 attackers were an independent cell of Al Queda, an organization headed by Osama bin Laden out of Afghanistan. For that reason we invaded and are still occupying Afghanistan, a fact most Americans have seemingly forgot. Then under Bush's pretext of Sadam having weapons of mass destruction and connections to Al Queda we invaded and occupied Iraq...directly against UN orders and the will of the rest of the world. In the war's aftermath we found out that what we had all suspected was indeed the truth: Iraq had NO WMDs and NO connections to Al Queda. In light of this, it's obvious we must have had other motives to invade and occupy a sovereign nation. 2 reasons come to the forefront: 1) Iraq has the 2nd largest underground oil reserves in the world worth hundreds of billions of dollars 2) American corporate giants are making billions of dollars in contracts to rebuild Iraq. When you take into account the entire Bush family was born and raised in Texas, the most prominent oil producing area in the continental US, it becomes very likely that his ultra-rich oil friends provided millions to his campaign with the express intent that he go back to Iraq and finish the job his daddy started when he was in office. With Iraqi oil reserves in US hands, we can both make profits from their resources and use their market share to adjust oil prices to make our own US oil more lucrative to buyers. This means millions, perhaps billions of dollars for the US oil conglomerates who couldn't care less that American men and women had to, and are continuing to die for their profits. After all...they're all rich enough that none of their children have to be in the military.

As for Al Queda having "no apparent reason" to commit the atrocities they did on 9/11 you have yet again been brainwashed by the media. In the days after World War II, the Allies (mainly the US and UK) decided to give the people of the Jewish faith a homeland since they had suffered so horribly under the Nazi regime. Well, that was the claim they made...it was really more about getting a foothold in the Middle East, the most oil-rich area in the world. The problem was that it wasn't only the Jewish holy land; it was also holy land for Islam. So we basically kicked thousands of Palestinians out of their houses and holy land, and said "sorry, we say this area is now Israel." On top of that, we provided the Israeli army with top of the line US military hardware, and an enormous amount of US monetary support. While the US strictly regulates what most countries can do with the money we provide we allow the Israelis to do whatever they want with the money. In the face of one of the most powerful militaries in the world, backed up by THE most powerful military in the world, Palestinians wouldn't stand a chance in outright war with Israel, so they've resorted to the only means they have available...terror. In response, instead of admitting guilt, giving back some of the land they stole, and promoting peace, Israel fires missile salvos into civilian towns, assassinates political leaders, and arrests Palestinians and holds them without bail or trial until the day they die for no reason other than being Palestinian. Israel trades terror for terror...yet we in the US only hear about the Palestinian atrocities, and are accused of anti-Semitism for criticizing Israel while they use our tax dollars and Apache helicopters to kill innocent Palestinian women and children. We hold a "war on terror" while actively supporting the largest and most well funded terrorist organization in the world.

[KirbyofDoom]

blam

Not only do I disagree with you but the movie is stupid too.

NewEvolution responds:

Well...I suppose I really can't argue with that. At least you said "I disagree with you" as opposed to "you're wrong." You get some props from me for that. I'm interested to know why the movie is "stupid" though. If you'd let me know why, perhaps I can make adjustmentst to future flash to make it less "stupid."

[Vark]

It's your opinion, but for the love of God, this was not an interesting way to express it. Damn, that was really...not very eloquent, and I apologize, but seriously, make it more interesting.

NewEvolution responds:

Well, I must say it's quite refreshing to hear someone who didn't like this, yet didn't resort to name-calling. According to my dictionary, eloquent = expressing a feeling or thought clearly, memorably, or movingly. I suppose it may not be moving...and perhaps not memorable, but it was pretty clear, at least in my mind. In any case, the next piece should be a bit more down the "interesting" alley.