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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-11 21:55:54 Reply

At 5/11/12 09:40 PM, Aigis wrote: Aside from the heads, the target for good anime drawing is (usually) still correct anatomy. It's (usually) just a little simplified.

I would say correct anatomy as far as logical-ish movements and poses go, but not as far as proportions are concerned. Its a stylization and skewing of proportions that make it visually interesting while simplifying various bits and pieces. And while the poses may be generally unusual for a real person to bother getting into, they are generally semi possible to actually do, unlike the piece is questions pose where her arm is separated at the shoulder and so out of whack its painful to look at.

He wanted to exaggerate her ass to make it a focal point, fine. What isn't fine is that the way he did it makes it looked pasted on and detached from any real part of the body, that's an anatomy complaint that "well i stylized it" doesn't cover. There are many artists who can stylize pieces but still make the body parts look like they belong to that body and could exist if that body were real and functional in a hypothetical scenario.

When you really stop to look at real people of odd shapes (the obese, the elderly, the worn down skinny people) you see almost cartoonish exaggerations of certain features and body parts, and drawing them would reflect this, but they can (and are) still be living beings who don't follow the typical canon of proper anatomical structuring.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-11 22:08:27 Reply

I agree with Aigis that the objective for most manga artists is usually good anatomy. It's just that many of them don't follow through. They just fall into the trappings of the style. Especially if the standard is being set by guys like FateLogic.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-12 00:56:22 Reply

At 5/11/12 10:08 PM, CypressDahlia wrote: Especially if the standard is being set by guys like FateLogic.

The replies to the reviews that you guys left him show just how much of a fucking dumbass he is.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-12 01:05:42 Reply

At 5/12/12 12:56 AM, big-jonny-13 wrote:
At 5/11/12 10:08 PM, CypressDahlia wrote: Especially if the standard is being set by guys like FateLogic.
The replies to the reviews that you guys left him show just how much of a fucking dumbass he is.

I went and read those, I am amused.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-12 01:51:10 Reply

I am being harsh but FateLogic embodies everything that is wrong with art today and I wish whoever scouted him a horrible death. His forms are not even caricatures of what he is trying to draw, they are barely symbols of what he means to express, which is nothing worth expressing with shitty anatomy like that. How can anyone get off to crap like that.


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Illustration thread: http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic /1229930
Animation thread: http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic /1332069

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-12 02:38:34 Reply

I think all the people complaining about reviews should reconsider why they give reviews in the first place:
a: you want to be recognized for your reviews, in which case you should apparently be less critica. OR
b: you want to give good reviews, in which case it shouldn't matter how they are received as long as you are satisfied with your "work". OR
c:you actually want to help poeple, in which case you should direct your efforts towardschanging these poeple's attitude towards their art instead of complaining about it.
bottomline: stop being pathetic.

At 5/12/12 01:51 AM, Template88 wrote: I am being harsh but FateLogic embodies everything that is wrong with art today and I wish whoever scouted him a horrible death.

I think this fatelogic guy is pretty stupid and immature, but you just beat him.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-12 03:22:07 Reply

At 5/12/12 01:51 AM, Template88 wrote: I am being harsh but FateLogic embodies everything that is wrong with art today and I wish whoever scouted him a horrible death.
I think this fatelogic guy is pretty stupid and immature, but you just beat him.

Help, I have strong opinions on what art is and what it is not, help educate me for my foolishness and immaturity.
I don't even care about what kind of person he is or what he says about himself or his techniques, his artwork is offensive to me. I find no redeemable quality to it whatsoever and that's just my opinion about it and I already stated why. Just as it is my opinion that he shouldn't have been scouted.


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Illustration thread: http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic /1229930
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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-12 05:09:54 Reply

At 5/12/12 03:22 AM, Template88 wrote: Help, I have strong opinions on what art is and what it is not, help educate me for my foolishness and immaturity.
I don't even care about what kind of person he is or what he says about himself or his techniques, his artwork is offensive to me. I find no redeemable quality to it whatsoever and that's just my opinion about it and I already stated why. Just as it is my opinion that he shouldn't have been scouted.

yeah and that's different alltogether from wishing someone "a horrible death". You're making it very difficult for me feel anything other than contempt for you. I'd like to say I don't care if you care about that or not, cause it's "just my opinion", but that'd be lying. I hope you do care and shape up a bit.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-12 05:23:16 Reply

hyperbole

Welcome to the internet.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-12 05:49:57 Reply

At 5/12/12 05:23 AM, Template88 wrote: hyperbole

Welcome to the internet.

There's a difference between using a literary technique, and using a literary technique to be a dick.

There are far more civilised ways to say you don't like a person's art.


Aigis - Putting the 'ai' back in 'Aigis'.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-12 05:53:33 Reply

(I'm going to trim some of your post down, sorry J)

At 5/12/12 02:38 AM, J-qb wrote: I think all the people complaining about reviews should reconsider why they give reviews in the first place:
a: you want to be recognized for your reviews,
b: you want to give good reviews, OR
c: you actually want to help people.

I don't think the people complaining actually have any problem dishing out reviews, since they go by the three steps you mentioned. I reckon people more often than not are lazy, and on NG it's a lot easier to drop a 0-5 vote (and review if you want to follow a-c), than to drop a shallow comment.

However, one of the fuels for being an artist is that you're looking for praise from the audience - you put work into it, you like it, and you want to be recognised for it. It becomes a problem when this driver also makes you choose to be ignorant (and occasionally react badly), which is my problem with the FateLogic stuff. For two reasons:
1) Constructive feedback is dismissed as trolling. What the fuck.
2) It's M and A, which people vote highly on due to the content, and only serves to reinforce the artist's view that they're hot-shit.

We were trawling through the popular art section yesterday, and it's hugely annoying that of the first 24 only 2
are not T&A thumbnails - because they're FP'd. It's this kind of popularity that only encourages people to pump out the same ol' stuff for the masses, rather than give them reason to tighten up and improve their work.

At 5/12/12 01:51 AM, Template88 wrote: I am being harsh but FateLogic embodies everything that is wrong with art today and I wish whoever scouted him a horrible death.

There's two sides to this: yes, his work only just scraping the scout/prune threshold for me, but the work also develops an appreciative audience, to which I don't belong.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-12 06:01:33 Reply

Turkey if only I was as eloquent as you are~
However, as Aigis says, I am a dick. I freely admit it.
But you know what, that is ok because that is who I am.
We should all be ourselves. Lets all be ourselves.

As long as we don't break the rules of course~

Friendship.


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Illustration thread: http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic /1229930
Animation thread: http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic /1332069

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-12 08:39:38 Reply

definitely some poeple

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-12 09:16:51 Reply

TBH, I'm not so much bothered by his responses as I am by how his attitude reflects on his skill level, and what impressions his skill level leaves on the entire portal. Considering I was constantly bagged on for being a manga artist, it leaves a sour taste in my mouth to see someone do such a disservice to the genre and be completely okay with that just because he helps some kids pitch tents with poorly drawn pornography. Especially in the case where, as ToS mentioned, the Art Portal is inundated by similar work of similarly low quality.

His responses are dumb, but his mentality and the implications of his work are what's bothersome. I almost expected him to react negatively, based on the caliber of the reviews he normally receives ("wow" and "her ass is BIG that's a plus"). He's probably not used to people telling him his work is bad. And he's not looking to improve, either, only expecting to.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-12 10:12:15 Reply

At 5/12/12 08:39 AM, J-qb wrote: definitely some poeple

Jesus Christ Jasper, what are you? The fucking white knight?
When I leave reviews, I want to help people and I want to see them improve, so if the person just calls me out as a troll and completely ignores my advice, yeah, that pisses me the hell off, as I believe it does everyone else.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-12 13:18:15 Reply

At 5/12/12 10:12 AM, big-jonny-13 wrote: Jesus Christ Jasper, what are you? The fucking white knight?

shit, you found me out.

When I leave reviews, I want to help people and I want to see them improve, so if the person just calls me out as a troll and completely ignores my advice, yeah, that pisses me the hell off, ...

Don't get me wrong, I understand and (partly) share your frustration, I just think that it's misdirected. I also think that complaining about it in the lounge or in extra reviews is not just unproductive, it makes for a bad atmosphere.

....as I believe it does everyone else.

I wouldn't say that "pisses me the hell off" so if that's your definition of a white knight, yeah I guess I'm it.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-12 14:20:02 Reply

Speaking of reviews, there's a site where the artists live stream their work and critique (including paint-overs) of viewers art. It's happening now at Awesome Horse Studios ...current image is a nude, so NSFW.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-12 14:35:54 Reply

At 5/12/12 02:20 PM, ReNaeNae wrote: Speaking of reviews, there's a site where the artists live stream their work and critique (including paint-overs) of viewers art. It's happening now at Awesome Horse Studios ...current image is a nude, so NSFW.

PS - Awseome Horse Studios is an awesome stream to watch every Saturday (and Wednesday now too) for two hours. Four freelancers, all at a professional level (here's one's portfolio) talking about arts, providing critiques and answering viewer questions.

Do keep an eye on them.

Also, I don't know what you saw a few minutes ago, but it looks clean to me. Perhaps they just finished a paintover...

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-12 16:04:13 Reply

Hey guys, im going to be getting paid from my first freelance gig pretty soon and i wanted to invest into a new laptop. Would any of you want to shoot me some specific recommendations for specs, brands, or features that i would want to look for to optimize my computer for artistic functions? (scanning, printing, running high end adobe software, using a tablet, rendering etc.)

Im getting paid a thousand dollars, but would like to split that down the middle having 500 for a laptop and 500 for a new tablet.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-12 16:19:46 Reply

At 5/12/12 04:04 PM, Captain-Carrion wrote: Im getting paid a thousand dollars, but would like to split that down the middle having 500 for a laptop and 500 for a new tablet.

Congrats on the job!
I'd seriously recommend getting a pc instead of a laptop if making art is the only concern. 500 is not gonna get you a very good laptop, then again; if you're only using mspaint that might not be a problem... although you wouldn't need to spend 500 on a tablet then either.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-12 16:25:58 Reply

At 5/12/12 04:19 PM, J-qb wrote: if you're only using mspaint that might not be a problem...
At 5/12/12 04:04 PM, Captain-Carrion wrote: scanning, printing, running high end adobe software, using a tablet, rendering etc.

I didn't know MS Paint was part of Adobe's high-end software line.

But the suggestion for a desktop is a sound one, even if it is for the screen. Laptops screens are not always quite as good for art as a desktop computer's.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-12 17:07:20 Reply

Gonna go with with jqb on this one, get a pc over a laptop. Even if money wasn't an option, you're going to be spending more money on an inferior product. You can't upgade a laptop easily, and all parts for one are more expensive for less power. Unless you absolutely need the portability.
I'd also like to question why you're shelling out 500 for a tablet. Because 500 isn't gonna get you a very powerful pc for art, theres gonna be a lot of slow down, and on bigger canvases shit'll slow down to a chug.
I'd say go 800 on a decent comp and 200 for a small intuos, the size of a tablet really isnt that big of a deal. If you're gonna go big, save up for a cintique.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-12 17:21:24 Reply

I plan on eventually building a high end PC for all the crazy shit once i get more money, the portability is in fact, a dire need right now. My living condition is very sketchy and im always moving from place to place.
What im already considering is a Intuos touch and a Samsung Series 3 . Nothing crazy, but something to get me by until i have a dorm and have a place to actually stick a desktop.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-12 17:33:09 Reply

I'd also recommend a desktop. I got myself a super 2000$ gaming computer for christmas and ends up I'm eventually going to need to upgrade it for higher quality work and better programs even though I haven't run into a single game that can bring it's processing power over 40%

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-12 21:11:27 Reply

The biggest problem with the computer you linked is that the processor is garbage.
It is going to be pretty tedious to work in photoshop, let alone anything that eats up more processor power. Moving a desktop really isnt that much of a hassle, it's just slightly heavier, most computers are no more than 15 lbs with modern tech. Unless when you say moving around alot, you mean by foot in the dead of night, it really shouldn't be an issue.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-12 21:23:10 Reply

At 5/12/12 09:11 PM, M-Vero wrote: Unless when you say moving around alot, you mean by foot in the dead of night, it really shouldn't be an issue.

You would be surprised......

Plus the place i do my work from now isnt where im living, its like a 24 hour internet cafe that im in and out of alot so it basically HAS to be a laptop at the moment. So basically, whatever can run photoshop and not...crash. If it means ill be lagging a bit here and there then i suppose ill have to deal with that. Ive been running flash and paint.net on a Dell Vostro 1000 with vista installed for about 4 months now. Look it up, that will kind of explain exactly how patient of a person i am.

But like someone said earlier, i do most of my work on MS Paint anyways so im not in dire need of a "Rig" for a while, although i am going to invest into a over the top desktop once i start school because ill be taking a photoshop class.


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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-12 23:43:54 Reply

If your work is mostly in ms-paint, I would get an iPad to be honest. The touchscreen is great for drawing (I've tested that myself), and it's a pretty powerful and mobile piece of equipment for the price.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-13 00:59:44 Reply

The computer you mentioned is more powerful than the one you're getting.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-13 01:07:28 Reply

At 5/13/12 12:59 AM, M-Vero wrote: The computer you mentioned is more powerful than the one you're getting.

Less powerful*
I am not on the ball today.

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Response to Art Forum Lounge 2012-05-13 01:15:17 Reply

Triple post for great financial justice.
This computer is stronger than both of your current computers combined, and 150 dollars cheaper. Name brand can suck it.
Don't know about the graphics card though, but if you're using a computer that old and only in ms paint it should be a problem.