At 1/29/10 11:01 AM, altrian wrote: The thing with DA's store is that unless you're already popular on the site, your chances of selling anything at all through it are close to nil. Not to mention they keep 3/4 of the profit - I get less than a $2 profit when I sell a $30 print, it's silly. You have to mark stuff up to such a ridiculous price that no one would pay it in order to make a worthwhile profit from it.

I remember hearing something about that.
yeah no offense to anyone who dose dA or such, but I honestly will not pay 30 bucks for a print, if it was the original and signed, then maybe, but the artist would have to be pretty good and have my interest in the palm of his hand.
hell for a print you'll be lucky to get 5 bucks from me....

At 1/29/10 11:06 AM, Kinsei01 wrote: I remember hearing something about that.
yeah no offense to anyone who dose dA or such, but I honestly will not pay 30 bucks for a print, if it was the original and signed, then maybe, but the artist would have to be pretty good and have my interest in the palm of his hand.
hell for a print you'll be lucky to get 5 bucks from me....

Yeah, very few people will pay that kind of money for a print. I mean, granted, the prints are really good quality, but when you're charging $125 for a 24x36 poster, the thing had better be printed on gold with ink made out of unicorn hooves.

At 1/29/10 11:14 AM, altrian wrote: Yeah, very few people will pay that kind of money for a print. I mean, granted, the prints are really good quality, but when you're charging $125 for a 24x36 poster, the thing had better be printed on gold with ink made out of unicorn hooves.

indeed.
I'm all for covering material cost of production and maybe a buck or two for some profit, but damn.
A good example of a decent artist selling his stuff for a good price was last year at the Phoenix Cactus ComiCon, I paid 3 bucks to a guy for what I thought was one a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 18.24 print.
what the guy said that it was part of a package, and I got 4 prints, all the same size, all with different drawings, talk about a good deal with it, after chating with him, he told me that with bulk ordering, these were likely to cost him 25 to 50 cents apiece to print.
good deal indeed

At 1/29/10 11:14 AM, altrian wrote: Yeah, very few people will pay that kind of money for a print. I mean, granted, the prints are really good quality, but when you're charging $125 for a 24x36 poster, the thing had better be printed on gold with ink made out of unicorn hooves.

Kinda why it might be better just to get your own prints done. On the upside at least, DA now offers an option such that you can set your prices for prints and it'll show you the cost of the print itself and the revenue you get depending on the price you've set. But still.. you're lible to make more if you get the prints yourself. Personally I just make buttons now. They're like, wearable prints. Cheaper cost for consumers and the novelty of it makes it much easier to sell than prints.

At 1/29/10 08:55 AM, GOTHCLAWZ wrote: Well, quite. I mean, it's not like I'M a furry.

You fucking well are, otherwise you would not be drawing the shite. You are also a twat. Anyone with a substantial IQ can see the bullshit in the fandom of such tripe.

A furry person is someone who thinks they're an animal. I believe I'm a human through & through. I'm a furry fan, a mediocre furry artist. My art style is furry, not my life style.

Anyone relishing in the shit falling under the the 'furry' category bloody well is a 'furry'. If you get a kick out of anything like that, including naked humanoid animals and the fapping therof (don't deny it), you're a 'furry'.

Not only do I hope you if anything lose money doing this, but somehow get severely harmed in the process.

Whether you may or may not be a furry, I still find it weird that you want to draw furries having sex.

Also, no-one wants to see your dirty fucking tit.

Christ Almighty, just NO.

Gothclawz you will not make money with your shitty half assed work...

I'm just saying...

why do you have to draw whats essentially shitty porn to make money, couldnt you get a normal job, like a normal person, you dont have the artistic skills for commissions, and by the way you can get money from normal artwork you know

At 1/29/10 03:01 PM, ashman112 wrote: by the way you can get money from normal artwork you know

It's because some people will pay 100's of dollars for Furry Porn, even if the color is shoddy and the anatomy is terrible. I wish I were kidding. Too bad I prefer to stick to my morals (and prefer to not be squicked-out) than make money.

you know i could give you a lecture on how you should only draw stuff you enjoy and not sell yourself out, and how morally wrong what youre doing is, but i have a feeling it will have no effect, now lets stop spamming up the lounge...again

At 1/29/10 03:05 PM, GOTHCLAWZ wrote: Yeah, but most of it comes from pornography so logically if I'm going to make money out of drawings I might as well make it for porn.

Where did you come up with that fact?
Also, regardless of the fact whether its porn or not, it wont sell if it sucks.

At 1/29/10 03:09 PM, ashman112 wrote: you know i could give you a lecture on how you should only draw stuff you enjoy and not sell yourself out

well, to be honest, sadly in the realm of media arts, what the artist wants to do and make comes second ^_^' what the boss wants and what's popular comes first....
but thats just media arts perspective.
although I do agree that in this case there is still plenty of room to negotiate on what to produce...

At 1/29/10 03:09 PM, ashman112 wrote: you know i could give you a lecture on how you should only draw stuff you enjoy and not sell yourself out, and how morally wrong what youre doing is, but i have a feeling it will have no effect, now lets stop spamming up the lounge...again

Ere we are, thanks ashman for saving me some time.

I can't beleive no one has said this yet, or if they have I missed it.
GET A FUCKING JOB IF YOU WANT MONEY!!
It's a much more sure fire way to get money, not only that, but sorry your work is not commission quality. No offence but any substantial amount of money would be a rip off

you're 16, what could you possibly need money for?

On the subject of bad prints on dA, that's cause it free for ANYONE to do, any one who thinks they have the slightest chance of making a quick buck, will put their shit up for a print.

the only reasons I suggested dA in the first place was because I knew they let any one post just about anything, and that dA is probably the highest chance of someone of the right interest would see it...
just saying guys....

I'm gonna throw this out there, whilst the new forum vibe is still burning.

I think it'd be cool if we had an art thread dedicated to the Lit Forum.
Similar thinking to the Halloween Art Contest:
- Take a story you like.
- Draw a scene/character concept.

At 1/29/10 04:19 PM, TurkeyOnAStick wrote: I'm gonna throw this out there, whilst the new forum vibe is still burning.

I think it'd be cool if we had an art thread dedicated to the Lit Forum.
Similar thinking to the Halloween Art Contest:
- Take a story you like.
- Draw a scene/character concept.

sounds cool, can i use jonnys videogame haikus?

At 1/29/10 04:19 PM, TurkeyOnAStick wrote: I'm gonna throw this out there, whilst the new forum vibe is still burning.

I think it'd be cool if we had an art thread dedicated to the Lit Forum.
Similar thinking to the Halloween Art Contest:
- Take a story you like.
- Draw a scene/character concept.

I might reed threw a few....
might....

At 1/29/10 04:27 PM, Kinsei01 wrote: I might reed threw a few....
might....

Me too, I'm too impatient to read stories ...

At 1/29/10 04:33 PM, GOTHCLAWZ wrote:

At 1/29/10 03:09 PM, ashman112 wrote: you know i could give you a lecture on how you should only draw stuff you enjoy and not sell yourself out, and how morally wrong what youre doing is, but i have a feeling it will have no effect, now lets stop spamming up the lounge...again

No, give me a lecture. I will read through everything you say closely. You're an artist, I'm a noob. Teach me. I know that the words of someone who exceeds my ability are the words I should pay attention to if I want to get somewhere from the beggining.

I still think that it is an issue of whether you offer up your soul to make a buck, or starve a little to chase your dreams.
I think in this modern world you have to walk a very thin line.
sure there are some of us where art is a hobby like Jonny, and he'll always have a freedom to choose what he wants to make. and then people like me, who is part of the machine producing media for the entertainment of the world, and has no choice on some projects.

In my opinion, your still young, and have a long way before you have to truly make a choice of soul or money. but if you are going to peruse the life of any type of artist, you really gotta practice, and then practice some more....

At 1/29/10 08:17 AM, GOTHCLAWZ wrote:

At 1/29/10 07:31 AM, CloudEater wrote: lol.... skin is actually a very light orangey-red not bright pink like that. You should find some good reference pics in HERE.

I've actually got pink nipples of my own to take reference from. :3

Jesus Christ, never do that again.

Anyway, if you really want to learn anatomy, just google "anatomy models" or some shit like that. You'll get simple standing stuff, and if you're not getting results, just throw everything down and google crap like "naked bitches" or some shit like that.

Speaking of, I probably need to do that. The only real life models I've observed are people at school who aren't nudists.

At 1/29/10 04:59 PM, GOTHCLAWZ wrote: Is there really more to art than money?

Might as well say "Is there anything more important in life than money?"
Of course there's more to art than money you stubborn fool. Art is a passion, and if you don't have the passion then you wont have the drive and if you dont have the drive then you can't make art.

At 12/31/09 04:31 PM, Re2deemer wrote: GMT+2 says Happy New Year to you all!

These were originally sent to ReNaeNae as a part of the Holiday Exchange, but it has been three weeks since I sent them and I've lost hope of them arriving...anytime soon, at least.
So I'll post them here as a "Happy New Year's" card for you all.

^^ quoted from page 107... your card FINALLY ARRIVED!!!! lol
Just thought I'd let you know!!! ;)

I'm keeping them both, btw! lol

At 1/29/10 04:59 PM, GOTHCLAWZ wrote:

Is there really more to art than money?

If you're saying something like that, you should probably get out of this forum entirely, as it shows you have quite a bad perception of what "art" is. Art is not synonymous with business. Art can be used to make money, yes, but artists almost never make a whole lot. Art is something you need to do because you enjoy it; as Johnny said, it's a passion. It's an outlet for your mind's imagination and feelings. Note that MANY people draw or make music as amateurs. They won't make money by making art, yet they do it. Why? Because they enjoy it. You don't see people practicing medicine for pure enjoyment, they practice it for money.
If your passion is money, you're a complete fool for using art as your outlet to obtain it. There are so many things you can do to make far more money than in art. People who work in art aren't simply fools who try to make money through that and then wonder "why aren't I making a lot?" No, they're people who actually enjoy making things, despite the fact that they don't make a whole lot unless they sell out.
You go ask every sinle person in this forum or in the portal that aren't professionals, including myself, why they draw, and I guarantee you that very few of them will say "to make money".

At 1/29/10 06:11 PM, Luxembourg wrote:
If your passion is money, you're a complete fool for using art as your outlet to obtain it.

Quoted for truth.

If you want to make money, get an education and a job. Art is not where the dollars are at. Money CAN be a nice reward for your having done art but it is rare, and, unless you're Thomas Kinkade, pursuing money though art is just about the stupidest way you can possibly go about it.

At 1/29/10 06:21 PM, BlackmarketKraig wrote: Art is not where the dollars are at.

fact

for the love of god....

Ba-Dum... thhsssshshsh

get it?

At 1/29/10 05:58 PM, ReNaeNae wrote:
^^ quoted from page 107... your card FINALLY ARRIVED!!!! lol
Just thought I'd let you know!!! ;)

I'm keeping them both, btw! lol

Hmmm..so it took it a month and two weeks to make it from the EU to America. Which inevitably begs the question - what the hell was it doing there so long?

If anybody cares im on livestream. Either playing Megman or drawing.

My livestream.

At 1/29/10 04:59 PM, GOTHCLAWZ wrote: Is there really more to art than money?

What.. are you crazy? Of course there is more to art than money, art has always been about expression and creation. If you only want to draw for money then don't even bother. Not to mention the fact that you'd be disappointed anyway.