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1 you(ninja_scientist) assume I consider killing people Ive never met who hate me because Im rich to be "wrong" (morality is ALWAYS debatable)

2 You claim that greed is also wrong. (again, morality, which is debatable)

3 You claim that the DAG pretends to be right. (we claim to be purposefully WRONG)

I would like to say that the first part of DAG is Devil's Advocate. The entire point of my side of the debate was to make you defend your views. You have done so successfully. The only weak points in your argument are listed above. Just because I dont agree with your personal morals is enough to completely change the way I view the world. I am pro-war mainly because war is the traditional accepted way of doing international business. People will always defend tradition, even when it makes no sense. Wars are ugly, violent, and bloody, but they are effective if done properly. The same cannot be said for diplomacy.

Although there is some morality in my arguments, most of my argument wasn't based on that.

It was whether or not this war is worth what it will give to us (as far as US relations go), it was about fighting the "Saddam is evil and we need to fight him because of it" argument with proof that the US has done worse (which would falter that theory), it was about fighting the "Iraq has weapons of mass destruction and that's why we have to fight them" argument with proof the the US has given them most of those weapons (which would falter that theory as well), and MOSTLY to prove that the US screwing with other countries is bad for us in the long run (with proof of some of the results of that).

And I'll admit, I do value human life over the dollar. So you can call that "morality" in my arguments.

Don't mind him, he's a DAG.

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At 5/6/03 05:31 PM, Ninja_Scientist wrote:

Well, I take it you haven't visited any of the links that I put it any of my posts then, have you?

Yes I have viewed the links that you have posted, but there really havent' been many of them. The post/link ratio is somewhat uneven.

At 5/7/03 09:59 AM, DontAsk wrote:

At 5/6/03 05:31 PM, Ninja_Scientist wrote:

Well, I take it you haven't visited any of the links that I put it any of my posts then, have you?

Yes I have viewed the links that you have posted, but there really havent' been many of them. The post/link ratio is somewhat uneven.

lol. You should check out my first posts, under "War on Iraq, Review." It's over 15 pages long of just information I've gathered on the war and there are dozens of sources.

Unfortunately, needless to say, not many people could finish it.
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I'm not sure what that DAG guy was doing. He was saying things like, "Oh yeah, well this war will give the US money, which could go to things like schools and stuff. ARE YOU AGAINST SCHOOLS?!!" I'm like, "......uh, no."

Then he criticized me for having "morality" in my arguments, because "morality is always depatable." And then he goes into another topic and complains that some racist blacks beat him up and that "that was wrong." So, I guess the "morality is always debatable" theory doesn't apply to when something actually happens to him.

Also, "morality" is something that we do have to consider in the US's actions, because while it may not be "debatable" to us, we have to remember that all countries have their own sense of morality, and this can affect how our actions are viewed by them, which is important to US-World relations (Like, the water contamination incident where all those kids died. Even if we don't think this matters, we have to first think how other countries would view this----though the stupid UN did let the US go ahead with it @_o').

But I'm not too worried. After all, by using the same logic, you can say that a "lack of morality" is debatable as well, for who's to say what's right? Valuing the dollar over human life may seem right to one person, but not to another, and he can't prove it's right either. All in all, I guess it just comes down to how many people agree with you in the long run.
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Well folks, I have some "real world" work that I've been putting off for way too long. *sigh* So, I'll have to catch you all again in about 6 days.

See ya all then! ^_^