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Hey guys,

I personally used to go on this site a lot more, but there are a lot of immature people about. I still visit here because I learned how to program years back from this forum and some of your guys are really cool people and great programmers. You guys are just outnumbered by immature people.

I mainly go on the coder profile forums now. I find it a lot more mature.

At 12/1/07 11:49 PM, WoogieNoogie wrote:

Well, sure it's a real language...it's just incessantly involved with Flash, therefore it goes there.

I always equatic AS to like....JS or HTML even, does flash actually compile it into something like a real program....or is it all just movie clip related script commands.....sure you can do advanced stuff in AS, but it'll be large and bulky and weird......and have bizzar set ups with code attached to layers, symbols, etc.....instead of just writing the code out. Not a real programming language....but a versityle way of manipulating a movie or 'game'.

At 12/2/07 12:08 AM, coolcoder wrote: I always equatic AS to like....JS or HTML even, does flash actually compile it into something like a real program....or is it all just movie clip related script commands.....sure you can do advanced stuff in AS, but it'll be large and bulky and weird......and have bizzar set ups with code attached to layers, symbols, etc.....instead of just writing the code out. Not a real programming language....but a versityle way of manipulating a movie or 'game'.

Quit talking out of your ass like an idiot. ActionScript (especially ActionScript 3) is as much of a programming language as any language in the world. People make more advanced games and applications with ActionScript than you can ever dream of. Just because you don't know enough ActionScript to make a real game, that doesn't mean there isn't more. You can do ANY kind of reasonable game with ActionScript. When you work with AS3 you barely even see the stage or layers because you work mostly in external ActionScript files.

It's ironic that your dumb comments stemmed from people saying how idiots were taking over this forum... Just some more proof.

....Ummm.....thanks for that......I don't really know what to say. I was saying what I thought man.....you could have just told me that there are much more in depth things in AS the for example play and stop things and basic boolean. I mean sure....it may look like my opinion in ignorance is talking out of my ass. But if I don't know something, tell me. Don't just post up flame war initiations man. I mean like fuck. so AS is a fully indepth Language. ok. thank you. I didn't know that it could do what c++, java or perl could do. I mean....wow....it makes game. cool. What else?

Just you know what....your a hypocrite. As krinkles said....ok, I'm fucking done.

How do you go about stomping out immaturity?
Boy that's a thinker...

At 12/2/07 01:48 AM, coolcoder wrote: ....Ummm.....thanks for that......I don't really know what to say. I was saying what I thought man.....you could have just told me that there are much more in depth things in AS the for example play and stop things and basic boolean.

basic boolean? as if AS doesnt have integers and strings? its got functions, prototyping, OOP, socket connections, and much much more. i mean, those are just a few things i can think to mention now.

I mean sure....it may look like my opinion in ignorance is talking out of my ass. But if I don't know something, tell me. Don't just post up flame war initiations man. I mean like fuck.

"i mean like fuck" indeed...

so AS is a fully indepth Language. ok. thank you. I didn't know that it could do what c++, java or perl could do. I mean....wow....it makes game. cool. What else?

thats entirely unfair, and i think you know that. ActionScript is a scripting language, which means that it is meant to work within the confines of the engine it manipulates. so youre going to compare it to c++, java, and perl? firstly, java is a more powerful scripting language, sure. c++ and perl (as far as i know) are programming languages, and arent bound by the same confines. in the parameters that AS is meant to work within, it is very powerful. but im youre going to be an officious prick and completely discredit any language that isnt capable of file or system manipulation.

sorry that AS cant break outside of its box and rise to your expectations.

The line between a Scripting and Coding language is blurry... If we went for the word-for-word definition, then C# , Java and anything that runs on a virtual machine/ CLR would classify as a script even though they are being referred to as 'Programming Languages' by the majority of people. Personally, I accept a language as being a programming language if it can access system-level functionality.

I would like to propose a theory:

Jessii made a point earlier, "some people act like jerks." I'm going to have to say the biggest jerks I have seen have been "regulars."

elbekko said general retardation has increased. The most retardation i've seen are regulars who think they know everything, so they talk down to new users. It becomes exceptionally retarded the moment a regular tries to discredit someone else by pulling their recent registration or low post count into the argument. For most topics, this sort of information is completely irrelevant. This is a propaganda technique, known as Ad hominem, and does not actually prove anything (except the users stupidity.

Also along the lines of retardation, the programming forum at Newgrounds.com is the only place where you can find so many people who can comprehend so little about what they read in any given topic (or just never actually read, I'm not sure which, exactly).

I believe programming is something that you never become an expert at. I believe at any given level when you think you know everything, you don't know anything. Many people here believe they know everything.

DFox said

It's ironic that your dumb comments stemmed from people saying how idiots were taking over this forum... Just some more proof.

You never seem to be able to get the point. His comment came from the question "why are we not getting any more regulars?" I find it ironic that you answer that question in that very same post. It's because of people like you.

coolcoder made it clear that he didn't know exactly what he was talking about, he was just telling us how he thought things were. WoogieNoogie was able to simple and peacefully tell him he was wrong. Whereas DFox felt the to need to personally attack coolcoder because of his ignorance.

Arrogance, and abuse like this is why noone wants to come here.
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At 12/2/07 03:27 AM, Ciph3rzer0 wrote: coolcoder made it clear that he didn't know exactly what he was talking about, he was just telling us how he thought things were. WoogieNoogie was able to simple and peacefully tell him he was wrong. Whereas DFox felt the to need to personally attack coolcoder because of his ignorance.

OH PLEASE, cut the shit. Most of what you say is dumb but that's just pure bologna. I've contributed so much more to this forum that you it's not even funny. You just like to make trouble. Go do something of substance first so we can MAYBE take you seriously. Most of the shit the internet is criticized for is false information. There is NO excuse for kids transmitting their opinions such as ActionScript is "bizzar set ups with code attached to layers, symbols, etc.....instead of just writing the code out. Not a real programming language". Please, if that's the opinions you encourage then I highly doubt anyone would care if they ever read one of your or coolcoders posts again.

And for the love of god, we're not stupid here. You can't just make things up and think people will buy them. HE DIDN'T "ASK A QUESTION". The only "question" he asked was the sarcastic one at the end of one of his posts belittling ActionScript. Show me his question, smartass.

The only thing that turns people away from this forum is the lack of knowledge. Trust me, no one's leaving the forum because there's people they don't like. The reason people leave is because they aren't getting the answers to their questions because of a LACK OF KNOWLEDGE. It shouldn't be blamed on anything else.

Just to add one more thing, I'm all for people asking ANY questions they have about programming, whether they know anything about the subject or not. People should never respond and call them idiots. Now, unless I forgot how this works, coolcoder wasn't asking a question, because usually questions end with question marks and the only question mark I saw him use, like I said before, was the sarcastic one.

Here's my point. When I see people make un-factuated, uneducated rants like he did, I think: This would be like me expressing my opinion on which car engines are the best. I know NOTHING about car engines... How does me expressing my opinion on them help anybody? The bottom line is I know what to express my opinion on and I think most people do, but there's always a select few who don't. Programming isn't like politics. Not everyone has a right to their opinion because it's very possible that they know nothing on the subject. Them giving their opinion only hurts people seeking INFORMATION.

What if one person reads coolcoders post and thinks he knows what he's talking about (not sure why they would think that) and decides "hey, this guy says ActionScript is weak and can't be used for anything good, now I'm not going to learn it". That's an example of an uneducated opinion NEGATIVELY effecting someone that might have prospered off of it. Is that fair to people? I don't think it is. If that had happened to me, I would have been like WTF, look at what I missed out on.

And I'm not picking on coolcoder, I'm commenting on this feeling in general. Ask all the questions you want, but don't formulate opinions based on no facts what so ever, that's just silly. Not only is it harmful to yourself, but it's harmful to others also. And I think we've all done it, I know I've done it, and I always try to make sure not to.

I mainly go on the coder profile forums now. I find it a lot more mature.

That's one I actually did throw out of my bookmarks. I refuse to go to a site whose admin is retarded beyond comprehension.

To be completely honest, I would never frequent a forum that didn't have a good sense of community and respect. Which is what we are completely lacking here.

Keep up the foul mouthed attitudes and I'm gone.

Essentialy, AS3 is the equivalent of Java without direct memory control.

Last night was eventful...

Fuck you all, I'm leaving.

JK JK JK

ActionScript goes in the Flash Forum.

You have to admit tough even though it is totlly annoying and puts a big downer on this forum. If your in the right frame of mind or right mood. And dont have much work to do. It is funny reading the crap or cluelessness on here some times.

At 12/2/07 08:55 AM, Jon-86 wrote: You have to admit tough even though it is totlly annoying and puts a big downer on this forum. If your in the right frame of mind or right mood. And dont have much work to do. It is funny reading the crap or cluelessness on here some times.

Nearly as much fun as reading your posts.

*yawn*

At 12/2/07 08:59 AM, citricsquid wrote: Nearly as much fun as reading your posts.

*yawn*

I aim to please and inform (*_*)=b

Wow. Let's all just blow up. Because of course, no one ever thought that you cannot be mean to a happy/nice person.....

That's true by the way, I've tried it my whole life....

Anyways, I see this all starts at actionscript. Just do a search for the amount of locked actionscript topics. None of you can fight it. It is not cause by us. It's cause by new users who do not read everything because they've done it once on another forum and found nothing useful (or, it was useful but explained in depth about the topic which they already know about).

So, I'm saying we just move actionscript here, contradictory to the Flash Forums statement, to stop all of this arguing about arguing.
And anyway, is not actionscript a programming language? I mean, come on, it was said above on this same page. By several people......

At 12/2/07 10:54 AM, Momo-the-Monkey wrote:

:I mean, come on, it was said above on this same page. By several people......

Well, *cough* hmmm. I guess I was mistaken. Now it's all of the previous page. Didn't see that one comming x.x

i dont think actionscript should be moved into here no, the reason being that 99.99% of questions asked in flash forum about AS are not about programming, but about small specific things that are unique to AS to do with frame control, manipulating movieclips etc, very few questions asked can be generalised to a programming question.

At 12/2/07 11:00 AM, dELtaluca wrote: i dont think actionscript should be moved into here no....

True, true. Hmmm. I guess you're right. Didn't think of that one.....

actionscript is a terrible language.

At 12/2/07 11:14 AM, sirtom93 wrote: actionscript is a terrible language.

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If you're trying to "Fit in" don't bother.
Alot of the people here use AS and like AS...

At 12/2/07 11:14 AM, sirtom93 wrote: actionscript is a terrible language.

LOL! Because actionscript made millions of awesome games that no one knows was even made in flash. That's why it's horrible. So horrible...

>.<

At 11/30/07 06:45 PM, SpamBurger wrote: I'm working on a scripting language called MICE (MICE Interprets Concise English). It's meant to look a lot like English. For example, this creates a variable and outputs it:

Create a variable called some_string with the value of "Hello World".
Output the variable some_string and a newline.

Good idea or not?

Skeptical, entirely. Verbosity like this may be self explanatory, but it is hardly concise.

It also lacks precision, for example, I bet for the most part, your grammar is not context free. Because of this, your parser is more troublesome. Because in the most conventional sense, english is quite ambiguous, your language implementation will blow up and code in that language will probably be harder to extend and modify knowingly. This goes for the interpreter, as well.

This is very interesting because typically as languages climb the abstraction chain in an attempt to be precise, rather than get verbose, they get concise. They get a more clear, many times less convoluted design and generally less things are left up to assumption. Generally, these also strike heart at mathematics where there are lots of ideas and theorems floating around waiting to be applied to things like this.
Basically what I'm saying is it being verbose and ambiguous does not help the major players. It is for a very good reason our mathematical notation is so 'terse': it aids in purging ambiguity and therefore in complete reasoning. It's much harder to learn and especially design a language in which a single line can have such a drastic change from say, a simple verb conjugation or some such, but nothing else. It just makes it harder to work with and understand code.

At 12/2/07 02:34 AM, Alphabit wrote: The line between a Scripting and Coding language is blurry... If we went for the word-for-word definition, then C# , Java and anything that runs on a virtual machine/ CLR would classify as a script even though they are being referred to as 'Programming Languages' by the majority of people. Personally, I accept a language as being a programming language if it can access system-level functionality.

If at the end of the day you have your bread and butter thanks to 'scripts' written in Java or C#, does it really, honestly matter that much? I don't think the people who have families and food because of those scripts they write would even be inclined to bring attention to something so pointless.

At 12/2/07 11:16 AM, citricsquid wrote:

At 12/2/07 11:14 AM, sirtom93 wrote: actionscript is a terrible language.

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If you're trying to "Fit in" don't bother.
Alot of the people here use AS and like AS...

ugh I hate this guy so much.

lot of C/C++ questions lately eh?

At 12/2/07 02:31 PM, Afro-Ninja wrote: lot of C/C++ questions lately eh?

yeh i know, it sucks that the'yre all so basic, it'd be nicer if there was more complex questions that you can actually have a good play and discussion with ;)