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Response to NG Church 2005-01-12 21:46:33


At 1/12/05 07:31 PM, Draciel56 wrote:
maybe my vocab isnt big enough but......negligible?

Yeah, negligible. Has several meanings but one of them is- Not worth mentioning, very small amount

what do you mean make them even? Jesus didnt do anything TO them in the first place.

They tortured him for what a couple of hours or something, but they are going to burn in the firey pits of hell for enternity being prodded in the ass with pitchforks and stuff. I know which one I'd choose.

And God, as Jesus's father, could of stopped the torture allowing Jesus to die in a less painful, still for all our sins, instead of painfully on a crucifix, which many Christian's use as a freaking trademake for themselves.

Also in the bible he says something along the lines of ' IF anyone worships anything or anyone but me, strike them with stones' (or hurt them). If he didnt want people worshipping anything but him, he shouldn't of given people free will. I just don't see how you can worship a god which can reward a faithful Christian with a gunshot wound in the head by a criminal?

Response to NG Church 2005-01-12 21:53:12


At 1/12/05 09:46 PM, LordRobbo wrote: They tortured him for what a couple of hours or something, but they are going to burn in the firey pits of hell for enternity being prodded in the ass with pitchforks and stuff. I know which one I'd choose.

But thats why, Jesus loved those people. Even as He was hanging on the cross He loved them. He knew that they were killing, in a sense, their father.

And God, as Jesus's father, could of stopped the torture allowing Jesus to die in a less painful, still for all our sins, instead of painfully on a crucifix, which many Christian's use as a freaking trademake for themselves.

It symbolizes that even though God could have saved Him from that, instead He let Jesus die in a horrible way for us. Its our "trademark" to remind us how instead of saving Himself from that, He chose to die for us.

Also in the bible he says something along the lines of ' IF anyone worships anything or anyone but me, strike them with stones' (or hurt them). If he didnt want people worshipping anything but him, he shouldn't of given people free will. I just don't see how you can worship a god which can reward a faithful Christian with a gunshot wound in the head by a criminal?

Forced worship is as nothing to our God. Plus remember that alot was written by man, and the Old Testment was a hard time with hard rules.

Response to NG Church 2005-01-12 22:19:47


At 1/12/05 09:46 PM, LordRobbo wrote: I just don't see how you can worship a god which can reward a faithful Christian with a gunshot wound in the head by a criminal?

To die for him, in his name. Is the greatest honor a Christian can have. Our kingdom is not from this realm and we know that our reward awaits for us in heaven.

"For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain."

Some will accept God, will follow him. Others will not, will give their backs to him. People prefer to follow images, to follow statues. After all, you can control a statue even a crucifix. Follow an institution. As our Lord said "I have come in my Father's name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him."

"The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned."

-Blessings

P.S.: What do you believe¿? When you die, what do you think will happen¿?

Response to NG Church 2005-01-12 22:25:31


Hey everyone it looks like we have a new preacher on our hands! Inevitability you're doing a really great job with your posts. There are just a few things I need to comment on...

At 1/12/05 12:55 AM, inevitability wrote: If not, what's the point in living¿?

Without God, our lives are definitely in vain. Without him, I cannot see a reason for existence.

Take for example some of the discussions here in this thread. Or go to any Christian board. You will find debate after debate of pointless things. I completly understand why some people just mock our faith.

I wouldn't call all the debates pointless. There is a general belief in Christianity: believe in Jesus, and live and love as He did. However, there are many details that can help us with our faith and can have a huge influence on our spiritual life. You can't just live and let be with Christianity, inevitability... but you can't be extreme and pick on unimportant aspects such as the day of Jesus's birth. We cannot get human ideals confused with the things that God has outlined to be important in the Bible.

If I enter this boards and find people discussing about which day is more important, Sunday or Saturday. I would just completly laugh at them.

True, these are human things and I completely understand why you would be indifferent to this rule.

Christianity was spreading like a plague.

I don't agree with you on that at all. Human influence and reasoning has corrupted the ancient belief system, but if the belief in Christ were truly spreading like a plague, I think our world would be better off.

You see Christian "churches" (I prefer the term congregations. But whatever) in every corner. Book stores, even bars. I mean... A bar¿?!

I don't know what you're talking about... I am actually embarrassed to pray in public. I'm ashamed that prayer embarrasses me, but it does! In Jesus time, people used to pray publicly so that others would respect them, but in our day people pray in private to avoid hassle.

Discussing trivial manners such as if Christian rock is good or bad.

Haha, I hope the NG Church doesn't degenerate to that level. This thread is a place to discuss Christianity in general and spread the undeniable Truths about God.

There is nothing more easier to do than to discuss and to talk and talk about the problems in our church. Everyone preaches about how fornication is bad, and then people find out that the preacher was in fornication himself.

Obviously none of us are perfect but we do need to rely on some of our preachers because they usually know Christian teachings better than we do. However, even preachers are not prone to the devil, and evil has entered many churches...

Am I the only one to see it¿? I don't think so. "Christianity" (Which nowdays shouldn't be call that. They were called Christians because they behaved and talked like Jesus. Can you sincerelly say that you behave that way¿?

That's not true. They tried to follow Jesus's teachings to the best of their ability, and Christians still try to this day. But most Christians fall away from God and His spiritual church. Many of us our blinded and confused, but we live in a very complex society.

Anyway, "Christianity" has become something that people uses to profit from.

It has been for years. People can use religion as a tool for manipulation.

How easy is to raise your arms in a church and say "God, use me! I want to be your instrument!" and then go to your house and watch tv. Go online. Go out with friends and forget about that. How can God use you if you are not willing to be used¿? What good does a trained soldier sleeping all days on the barracks when he is needed on the front of battle¿?

I know exactly what you mean. I really want to do more. Being active on the NG Church and prayer to get closer to God is a start isn't it? I mean, we're all still young... most religious figures have been old. Even Jesus was probably an adult when He became influential.

All I know is that I don't want to be one chair more in my congregation. Thus I shall fight day by day. One day at the time.

Jesus said not to worry about tomorrow because today has enough troubles of its own :-)

By the way, stop worrying about your grammar. You're very good for someone who speaks another language as a first language.

Response to NG Church 2005-01-12 22:45:05


At 1/12/05 08:46 PM, Myst_Williams wrote: He has a very narrow vision about things like homosexuality and other religious groups etc. Now, i have met preachers in my life who have inspired me, but this one, it seems, that i don't agree with anything he says.

I am beginning to believe that there are only a small amount of religious figures that we can look up to, and many of them are going down the wrong path.

Thus, my spiritual journey began, i guess you could say.

I'm on one too, but I know the direction I want to head in. I believe that if there is a God, and you truly beleive in Him and seek Him, you will find Him. If there isn't, our lives will be void anyway, so what have I lost by seeking Him?

Well, most religions do say that, except Buddhism. They believe that all religions out there are somehow connected

Believe it or not, some Chrsitian churches are falling into this irrational belief. Religions contradict each other, and some contradict themselves! There is no such thing as Universal religion, one must be true.

As you said, no one can reach the perfection of God, but i feel everyone should strive for it, thus creating a better life for one's self and those who they surround themselves with.

I completely agree, and the teachings of Jesus seem to me like the best form of perfection and happiness to strive for.

Some things a hard for me to believe, such as some of the more 'miracle' type stories of the bible.

Miracles may be hard to beleive, but there were some amazing ones that happened last century, so don't be too skeptical.

Not only that, but, why hasn;t the messiah returned?

God has chosen a time for Him to return.

Is that not a claim of the bible, that someday he will return?

It also says that no one other than God knows when this will happen.

How do we know Jesus was the Messiah?

His life resulted in a massive conversion of people to Christianity by purely peaceful means. His miracles were witnessed by many people of the era, which would explain why they beleived in Him. All things have happened according to scripture so far.

The Jews believe he was not and still long for the Messiah's arrival?

That's because they killed Him and can't admit it.

Do you feel that one day Jesus will live again and bring Judiasm and Christianity togethor?

No, the mission of Christians is to live as Jesus did and bring as many people, all over the world, back to the Lord.

I don't, because in today's day in age, if he were to live again... he would have to perform some pretty hefty miracles to have people believe in him and not believe in him being a cook. If you understand what i am getting at. If Jesus were to live again and prove his worth... do you not think that everyone would fall at his knees, that all religions would come togethor to support him and his God?

Jesus is coming on Judgement Day. It won't be a miracle, it will be a period of great tribulation and pain, where even the faithful who don't have true faith will fall from God. Before He comes, many will cease to believe in Him, but those who don't will be rewarded. The next coming won't be like the last, it will really be the end of our natural lives.

If he was so amazing and could perform such miracles, how come people didnt fall at his feet when he was alive?

They did. Many people did. The ones who didn't were the ignorant high priests who were blinded by their own arrogance. He performed miracles and they didn't beleive in Him.

Anyway, His first coming was to save our souls, and His second coming will be to judge them. The Chronicles of Narnia, a fictional book, gives many good examples of how people can see truth and not believe it. When your heart is hard, not even God can convince you without forcing you, and He will not force any of us.

I am sorry for being a Devil's Advocate, but these are some of the things i ask myself and wonder.

I hope my answers were sufficient. I couldn't say them the way I wanted to but I hope that they didn't sound ignorant...I feel I know what to tell you but not how to tell you it. I know the Christian answers to those questions but I just don't know how to answer them right :-S

It is hard for me to do so, but i am going to try. And i hope my efforts will prevail, thus ending my confusion.

Even if you end up not believing in the Christian God, I'm sure the things you learn from this church will be able to help you in your spiritual journey, whatever path it will take. However, I'm afraid that our confusion may never end, until the end...

Response to NG Church 2005-01-12 23:05:11


At 1/12/05 09:46 PM, LordRobbo wrote: They tortured him for what a couple of hours or something, but they are going to burn in the firey pits of hell for enternity being prodded in the ass with pitchforks and stuff. I know which one I'd choose.

You are forgetting one major difference. Jesus willingly chose to let them kill Him. He could have killed them all, reigned with the devil and lived in sin, but He chose to die to abolsih sin. He defeated evil through His sacrifice. On the other hand, the scribes and Pharisees, and those against Jesus chose to kill him because He threatened them. They chose to ignore all their teachings and even His teachings and kill him because he exposed them for what they truly were: hypocrites. They chose to kill and humiliate while He chose to die and be humiliated. So God brought Him to eternal life and exalted Him above the entire Universe, while they were probably damned to Hell. However, Jesus did ask that God forgives them, but if they were not willing to accept forgiveness, then they likely ended up in Hell. He sacriiced Himself for us, while they killed Him for themselves. Are you really going to argue this?

And God, as Jesus's father, could of stopped the torture allowing Jesus to die in a less painful, still for all our sins, instead of painfully on a crucifix, which many Christian's use as a freaking trademake for themselves.

No where is it written that God took away Jesus's pain.. Jesus accepted the death because God asked Him to, and in return we were all saved and He was made Lord.

Also in the bible he says something along the lines of ' IF anyone worships anything or anyone but me, strike them with stones' (or hurt them).

Jesus would never say that.

If he didnt want people worshipping anything but him, he shouldn't of given people free will.

God is not a dictator. He gives us everything He can without interfering with our free will. What we do with our life is our choice, but He wants us to come back to Him. If we do, then we will be accepted.

I just don't see how you can worship a god which can reward a faithful Christian with a gunshot wound in the head by a criminal?

He doesn't reward Christians with violence. He rewards the violence that Christians endure with ultimate joy.

I don't see how you can't worship Him.

Response to NG Church 2005-01-12 23:28:53


I wouldn't call all the debates pointless. There is a general belief in Christianity: believe in Jesus, and live and love as He did. However, there are many details that can help us with our faith and can have a huge influence on our spiritual life. You can't just live and let be with Christianity, inevitability... but you can't be extreme and pick on unimportant aspects such as the day of Jesus's birth. We cannot get human ideals confused with the things that God has outlined to be important in the Bible.

That was pretty much my point, you know¿? For example. To discuss if Jesus ressurected or not. That's a big part of our faith. Or that if Jesus was only spirit(gnostic belief), is important to come out and defend our believes. I was, like you put it, Reffering to the extremes.

True, these are human things and I completely understand why you would be indifferent to this rule.

That's my point. While people(include myself) are discussing these "rules" or debating things, that's good. To help others growth in their faith and to grow yourself. But to just focus on these discussions while someone out there on a bridge is about to jump because life has no meaning or purpose... Makes you think. Is all about timing I guess. And is hard, is hard to not fall in an extreme.

I don't agree with you on that at all. Human influence and reasoning has corrupted the ancient belief system, but if the belief in Christ were truly spreading like a plague, I think our world would be better off.

Oh, I didn't say that. I was quoting someone who said that to me.

I don't know what you're talking about... I am actually embarrassed to pray in public. I'm ashamed that prayer embarrasses me, but it does! In Jesus time, people used to pray publicly so that others would respect them, but in our day people pray in private to avoid hassle.

Down here we have Christian bars and a Christian motel. Nah, I kid, just the bar.

And as about the praying: Yeah. I think it is a question of the outfit nowdays. And I am being serious. If a priest or someone from the islam (dressed like in their country) prays in public, people look at them as very religious people. But you see a guy in jeans and t-shirt praying and they look at them as crazy or fannatics. Odd.

Haha, I hope the NG Church doesn't degenerate to that level. This thread is a place to discuss Christianity in general and spread the undeniable Truths about God.

Yeah. That was what I was reffering to before. I am sorry, I didn't mean to say that all our discussions are garbage. That would be kind of weird because I participate in many debates. But I think there are limits and some people just don't know when to draw the line. You know¿? There is a difference between stating a point of view and forcing someone to it.

Obviously none of us are perfect but we do need to rely on some of our preachers because they usually know Christian teachings better than we do. However, even preachers are not prone to the devil, and evil has entered many churches...

I know what you mean. And I agreed with you. If it wasn't for the person who tought me in the faith I wouldn't know some of the few things I know nowdays. I wouldn't be interested in knowing more and more. We need these guides, God has put them there for a reason. But what we can't do is to put them on a pedestal. Know what I mean¿? I was talking to when people put their faith on the preacher.

That's not true. They tried to follow Jesus's teachings to the best of their ability, and Christians still try to this day. But most Christians fall away from God and His spiritual church. Many of us our blinded and confused, but we live in a very complex society.

Of course. But there is something important that you have pointed out: "To the best of their ability". I know there are many out there that do it even now days. But being "real", how many of the so many called "christians" actually do it... to the best of their ability¿?.

They did behave like Jesus. At least some of them, like nowdays. Some of them behaved completly opposite. I used the word "behave", I didn't say they "were like him". Because that would mean they didn't sin. But they did the best to follow him. For them to live was Christ.

It has been for years. People can use religion as a tool for manipulation.

Yeah, how sad. We can even see examples of it in the book of Acts.

I know exactly what you mean. I really want to do more. Being active on the NG Church and prayer to get closer to God is a start isn't it? I mean, we're all still young... most religious figures have been old. Even Jesus was probably an adult when He became influential.

You are right about that. But, I can't avoid question myself if maybe I am using my age as an excuse, you know¿? But, there is not a rule about it. Is one of those many "daily fights" we have. But sharing it with others helps sometimes. To know that I am not alone in that strugle.

Jesus said not to worry about tomorrow because today has enough troubles of its own :-)

Precisely. I just want to do my part, you know¿? As you put it: To the best of my abilities.

-Blessings

Response to NG Church 2005-01-12 23:52:40


At 1/12/05 11:28 PM, inevitability wrote:

There's really not much I can say in reply to your post, since we agreed. I just think that a rule should be established in this "internet church" that we don't get caught up on the little things. We fight for the essentials of Christianity, but we can't be divided amongst each other so if people have small arguments that they cant let go, I think e-mailing is a better idea.

Down here we have Christian bars and a Christian motel. Nah, I kid, just the bar.

That made me laugh, the idea of a Christian motel... Motels are just for sleep and sex lol.

But you see a guy in jeans and t-shirt praying and they look at them as crazy or fannatics. Odd.

I just want to stop being worried about what people think. So what if I'm crazy about God? Can you give me eternal life and happiness? I don't think so! :-P

There is a difference between stating a point of view and forcing someone to it.

Exactly, even Jesus had a take it or leave it attitude. If you left it, you were a fool, but hey He wasn't about to kill those who thought He was crazy.

But what we can't do is to put them on a pedestal. Know what I mean¿? I was talking to when people put their faith on the preacher.

I couldn't agree more. Preachers are important in a church, but they're not all right.

But being "real", how many of the so many called "christians" actually do it... to the best of their ability¿?

Hmm... I think I can safely stop at Mother Teresa lol

You are right about that. But, I can't avoid question myself if maybe I am using my age as an excuse, you know¿?

Yes, but all I mean is that we're still young, so let's just try to learn as much as we can and establish a close relationship with God before we make any extreme moves. I don't think Jesus started with His miracles and teachings until Matthew 3:16-17, when He was Baptised by John.

Precisely. I just want to do my part, you know¿? As you put it: To the best of my abilities.

I might just put that in my sig or something. Of course, all we can do is use the gifts and talents that God gave us the best way we can, and I don't know how we could please Him more.

To Myst_Williams: I e-mailed you, but I just wanted to tell you in case I go to Junk Mail or anything

Response to NG Church 2005-01-12 23:56:17


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Response to NG Church 2005-01-13 00:04:14


At 1/12/05 11:52 PM, CapnJack wrote:
At 1/12/05 11:28 PM, inevitability wrote:
I just think that a rule should be established in this "internet church" that we don't get caught up on the little things. We fight for the essentials of Christianity, but we can't be divided amongst each other so if people have small arguments that they cant let go, I think e-mailing is a better idea.

I agree.

I just want to stop being worried about what people think. So what if I'm crazy about God? Can you give me eternal life and happiness? I don't think so! :-P

I know what you mean. It seems logical, it makes sense. But from saying it or thinking it to actually doing it there seems to be a long path that some don't dare to walk.

:I don't think Jesus started with His miracles and teachings until Matthew 3:16-17, when He was Baptised by John.

That made me laugh out laugh. I think I almost wake up my little brother. I don't know why, just the whole "until Matthew 3:16-17". It made me laugh, because of the way you said it. But then again, maybe I am just sleepy.

I might just put that in my sig or something. Of course, all we can do is use the gifts and talents that God gave us the best way we can, and I don't know how we could please Him more.

Yeah do that. Is a nice phrase.

-Blessings

Response to NG Church 2005-01-13 02:34:38


At 1/12/05 11:05 PM, CapnJack wrote:
I don't see how you can't worship Him.

Each to his own I guess

Response to NG Church 2005-01-13 07:50:47


At 1/12/05 09:19 PM, CapnJack wrote:
At 1/12/05 06:12 AM, Enoll wrote: Hahaha, I can't belive somene actually thought this lame arsed club actually needed an anti-club.
Pfhhh..
If you hate us and God so much, why do you keep coming back?

Beacuse it makes me so hot to see you all worked u about your religion on the internet.
i'm maturbating over it right now.


R.I.P LIVECORPSE

Response to NG Church 2005-01-13 16:46:59


At 1/12/05 07:04 PM, CapnJack wrote:
I forgot to post this in the NG Church, and since I've already posted a million times today, i thought I'd just e-mail this to you. Reply by e-mail if you get a chance! :-)

No problem, I am replying here in order to lesser confuse myself and keep the conversation in this thread.

A spiritual person in what way? Do you know there is something supernatural which is greater than us, but you just can't decide what yet? I believe that makes you agnostic.

I think it does:
Agnostic: One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God. OR One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.
I kind of fall into both of those descriptions in one way or another; however, I never did claim that I was not agnostic, I just claimed myself ‘faithless’, for now.

Of course I understand, but I think you've misinterpreted much of the Bible. The New Testament is meant to be real and true, and Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are essential for anyone curious about Christianity and our emphasis on Jesus.

I understand that the church preaches that it is real, but I, myself, do not take it literally. That is my choice and that a show I see the bible today. As a poetic metaphor on how you should lead your life, though, I do believe, that Jesus was once a man… I just feel his stories were exaggerated in order to teach a greater lesson, as a Myth would do. I do not doubt that he was crucified or anything, it is just certain miracles I find hard to fully grasp.

I, for one, am glad to have you here. I'm also Roman Catholic, btw, but my beliefs fall more into general Christianity, rather than Catholicism. I figured you live in Canada, considering we're very Roman Catholic influenced... and I completely understand your doubts and position because I've seen the poor level of our religion courses here. All my doubts have probably come from school, but through prayer I often find that those doubts completely disappear.

I am Canadian, but I went to public school most my life. So my doubts would not be affected by my recent switch to a Roman Catholic board. I am not sure where my doubts come from; I think it just me being stubborn. I have always been one to have a close connection with who I am, it is just… I am really not sure. That is why I am here, to solve some questions and find my faith… if I have one.

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At 1/12/05 09:42 PM, inevitability wrote: Not at all. We all wonder the same from time to time. The more you know about the work of Jesus. The way God has act in history, the more you wonder. The more you question but at the same time. The more you get closer to him.

I understand you fully on that one. Thank you.

Who said that Jews didn't believe in him¿? All his disciples were Jews….

No one said that. At least I didn’t, they do and did believe in Jesus, but Jews today believe that the Messiah has yet to arrive.

You may fake your Christianity very well for the men around you to praise you. But at the end, what is going to save you is your true faith in God because he is the one that will judge you. He is the only one that can really read your heart when you pray. And he knows is what you do is because you feel really repentance or just because you seek peace of mind (Like for example: "I feel terrible. OH I know, I shall pray and ask forgiveness. Phew, now I feel better" Know what I mean¿?).

I do know what you man. And that is not me. I feel that if I am true to myself, that I will not be punished for not having a full grasp on the belief in Christian teachings. I believe that god does not look solely on your faith, but mainly on your actions. So as I try to find my spot in the world of religions, I just try to be the best I can and be true to myself. This helps me believe, that when I finally find my faith, I had already led a well-lived life and the transition will be easier.

P.S.: You should read some of the previous posts made. There are some interesting debates and inputs that could be useful for you. Also start reading the Bible(if you don't already).

I will look back a bit. I thank you for your reply and time.

Response to NG Church 2005-01-13 16:49:41


At 1/12/05 09:43 PM, -Stigmata- wrote: A good way to know if he is the Christ is by weather the Anti Christ has come. Jesus wont come again untill the Anti Christ has had his reign.

The Anti Christ... is Satan, right? Sorry for the stupid question, i am just confused with the term 'Anti Christ'.

Wonder all you like. When you have a question and it gets answered it strengthens your faith. So much better than keeping it in and doubting.

That is true, and joining this club has proven so.


Oh by the by, of course your welcome to this club

Thank you, again.

Response to NG Church 2005-01-13 17:00:06


At 1/12/05 10:45 PM, CapnJack wrote: Miracles may be hard to beleive, but there were some amazing ones that happened last century, so don't be too skeptical.

There was?

I skipped alot of parts right here, just because you answered my questions well, so i feel no need to reply.

That's because they killed Him and can't admit it.

I think that accusation is a bit much. I do not agree with you at all on that point.

Jesus is coming on Judgement Day.

I, honestly, do not believe in Judgement Day.

Anyway, His first coming was to save our souls, and His second coming will be to judge them. The Chronicles of Narnia, a fictional book, gives many good examples of how people can see truth and not believe it. When your heart is hard, not even God can convince you without forcing you, and He will not force any of us.

I hope my heart is not hard.


I hope my answers were sufficient. I couldn't say them the way I wanted to but I hope that they didn't sound ignorant...I feel I know what to tell you but not how to tell you it. I know the Christian answers to those questions but I just don't know how to answer them right

Alot of your answers were perfectly explained, though a couple i felt were not just. Though, that is my own personal opinion.

Even if you end up not believing in the Christian God, I'm sure the things you learn from this church will be able to help you in your spiritual journey, whatever path it will take. However, I'm afraid that our confusion may never end, until the end...

Well, like a explained before, i am a firm believer in being true to yourself. If my struggle lasts forever, i feel that God will not condemn me for it, but embrace me. I, fro mtime to time, talk to God... and as childish as this sounds, i feel like we have an agreement. That i have all the time i need to find my faith. If idie before then, i will be judged accordingly, but the life i lived and portrayed will be taken into consideration.
Although i say i do not fully beleive in certain teachings, i do believe a sin is a sin and i truly try to not sin and i truly regret the sins i do create.

Response to NG Church 2005-01-13 18:21:41


i saw someone ask why jesus diein is such a big sacrifice well it is a big sacrifice cus he was tortured and beaten all so we culd go to heaven and he died imagine being tortured and hung on a cross suposably for hours all for peepl that will live 1000 years from now it is a big thing to be able to go thru that.


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Response to NG Church 2005-01-13 20:13:44


At 1/13/05 05:00 PM, Myst_Williams wrote:

I, fro mtime to time, talk to God... and as childish as this sounds

I talk to God every night. I literality close my eyes and talk out loud to Him. There is nothing childish about it.

Response to NG Church 2005-01-13 20:15:15


At 1/13/05 04:49 PM, Myst_Williams wrote:
At 1/12/05 09:43 PM, -Stigmata- wrote:
The Anti Christ... is Satan, right? Sorry for the stupid question, i am just confused with the term 'Anti Christ'.

Is not stupid. The term anti-christ is used to anyone who denies or goes against Christ. Anyone who denies that Jesus is the Lord. That he died for our sins and ressurected, basically is denying God and and thus is considered an anti-christ.

Why do I say they are denying God¿? Because if they deny him, they deny the one that has sent him.

But, what Stigmata was talking about was "The Anti-Christ". The spawn of satan if you will. Will not be Satan itself (until a point), will be his son.

-Blessings

Response to NG Church 2005-01-13 20:33:15


At 1/13/05 04:49 PM, Myst_Williams wrote: The Anti Christ... is Satan, right? Sorry for the stupid question, i am just confused with the term 'Anti Christ'.

Sorry for the delay, I missed this post.

The Antichrist: Personified Evil
Revelation 13:1-13:10

The movie world seems to be obsessed with the end of the world. There has been a steady stream of films coming out of Hollywood around the theme of end time events and takeoffs on the book of Revelation. Films like “End of Days,” “Armageddon,” “Deep Impact,” and “Independence Day” are just some examples. One series of films that came out a few years ago was the “Omen” trilogy. The films specifically centered around the antichrist of the book of Revelation. The first film deals with the birth and childhood of the antichrist. His parents suspect there is something different about their creepy little son, but they find out the awful truth when they discover 666 tattooed on his forehead. The second film, “Damien: Omen II,” showed him as a teenager and what happened when his identity was revealed to him by satanic agents. I haven’t seen the movies, but the reviews sound like they would send you to bed with a nightmare waiting to happen.

It is interesting that there is so much interest out there concerning the end of the world and the themes of the book of Revelation. In fact, you can almost hear more about the end times in a theater than you can in the average church. Perhaps that is because we have attempted to avoid sensationalism and hype. The problem is that there is so much misinformation in the media and a deliberate missing of the point. We need to hear and know the truth of what the Bible teaches about the events of the last days. Although much of what the Bible reveals is wrapped in strange symbolism, we still can understand the realities of what will take place. And though the Bible does not give us specific dates and detailed events, it does reveal general events and the kind of time during which these events will take place.

One of the striking revelations about the end times is a person whom the Bible calls “the man of lawlessness.” Paul, in his letter to the Thessalonians, speaks of the antichrist when he says, “Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the day of the Lord has already come. Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God” (2 Thessalonians 2:1-4). The apostle John writes in his letter, “Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour” (1 John 2:18).

Who is the antichrist, and what is his purpose? What role will he fill? There are several things that we could point out, but generally his main purpose is to acquire power and turn people away from God, directing worship toward himself. The way he will try to accomplish this will be by doing three main things. The first is: He will create a one world government. He is the anti-Christ. He is against Christ and everyone who belongs to him. He will be Satan’s tool for corrupting the world and turning people away from God. He will be given power by Satan to accomplish his will. The Bible says, “The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders” (2 Thessalonians 2:9). He is the false messiah who desires to replace and mock the rule of the true Messiah, Jesus Christ. In fact, we have here in Revelation 13 an evil trinity: Satan, symbolized by the dragon who is standing on the shore of the sea; the antichrist, symbolized by the beast that comes out of the sea; and the false prophet, the head of the one world religion — the beast who arises out of the earth and causes people to worship the antichrist. Satan, the antichrist and false prophet: these three unite in a desperate attempt to establish their own government and overthrow the kingdom of God — but their efforts will ultimately fail.

The reason given for the need of a one world government will be that problems like global terrorism and international conflict cannot be controlled by the United States alone, or any other nation. We cannot continue to be international police. The growing problems of our global community will require a united government to handle these problems. The United Nations and its forces have been largely ineffective because of their limited jurisdiction, and the problems the world faces will call for increased authority and military power. The person who heads this organization will ultimately grow in power through personal charm and an increasing use of force. He will disguise his true motives in the beginning and greatly appeal to the masses.

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Throughout history there have been many antichrists who have come before the final antichrist takes his seat of power. We can get some idea of what he will be like from those who have preceded him. The Bible says, “Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist” (2 John 1:7). The antichrists of the world have always used the same methods: intimidation and persecution. Throughout the Old Testament the prophets were persecuted and put to death. In the New Testament, men like John the Baptist and Stephen were put to death. During the early life of the church it was the Caesars who wanted to dominate the world and persecuted the church of God. In May A.D. 64, a terrible fire broke out in Rome which had been deliberately set. It raged for six days and seven nights, and totally destroyed much of the city. At the time, most believed that Nero was behind the fire, and historians generally agree that he was responsible. Tacitus, an ancient Roman historian, tells how he shifted the blame away from himself to Christians: “Hence, to suppress the rumor, he falsely charged with the guilt, and punished with the most exquisite tortures, the persons commonly called Christians, who are hated for their enormities. . . . Accordingly, first three were seized, who confessed they were Christians. Next, on their information, a vast multitude were convicted, not so much on the charge of burning the city as of hating the human race. And in their deaths they were also made the subjects of sport; for they were covered with the hides of wild beasts and worried to death by dogs, or nailed to crosses, or set fire to, and, when day declined, burned to serve for nocturnal lights. . . .they seemed not to be cut off for the public good, but victims to the ferocity of one man.”

And so, down the corridors of time there have been others who desired to dominate the entire world and rid the earth of the people called Christians. They have come and gone with names like Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Mao Zedong, and more recently Saddam Hussein and Osama Ben Laden. From these dominating, cruel and murderous personalities we get a glimpse into the personality of the final antichrist. We have to take these people and their intentions seriously, for there will be others who will desire great power and become like God, ruling the world. The book of Revelation describes the antichrist’s intent and evil purpose when it says, “He opened his mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. He was given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast — all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world” (Revelation 13:6-8).

The second thing the antichrist will do is: He will create a one world economy. We hear so much about the mark of the beast, which is 666. The book of Revelation says, “He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name” (Revelation 13:16-17). This mark is tied to people’s ability to buy and sell. It is sort of an evil VISA bank card — perhaps with three sets of six numbers. In order to have a bank account, and be able to buy and sell, you must have the mark of the beast. But in order to get the mark, you must worship the antichrist and display your loyalty to the government.

The proof of a person’s loyalty to the antichrist will be receiving his mark. I said that it was something like a VISA card, but there are two problems with a credit card. One is proof of identity, and the other is theft or loss. There is one way to solve both problems: have a small electronic “smart” chip implanted under the skin on your hand or forehead, or both. Retail and grocery stores are already outfitted with scanners which could read something like this with a minor upgrade. After your purchases are rung up, you would simply place your hand in front of the scanner or stand in front of it. The world is quickly moving toward a cashless society. Already, some businesses will not accept cash. Someday, in the not too distant future, paper money will be out of date. The only way you will be able to purchase something is with a credit card that will also serve as your identification.

A national ID card is already in the works. It was made a priority because the terrorists who perpetrated the September 11 attacks used fake ID’s. We need to know if the people boarding planes are who they say they are. Frank Pellegrini writes for Time magazine. In a recent article he says, “The Department of Transportation, acting on instructions from Congress, has begun work with states to develop electronically smarter drivers’ licenses that can be checked for validity across the country, and that have more than just than that always-awful picture — like a fingerprint or retinal-scan imprint — to match the card to its holder. So it’s more of a national ID system, a linking of Departments of Motor Vehicles — and the records they keep on you — across state lines, with some extra on-card security measures thrown in . . .the plan means that a state trooper in California would be able to pull the records of a driver from Georgia — and be certain that those records were the driver’s, and not an innocent lookalike he stole the card from. . . .And the smarter cards, ‘hardened’ with biometric data, would make identity theft much trickier, at least in person. (Georgia, incidentally, already uses thumbprints on its drivers’ licenses.) . . .What if your state/national ID card was your passport as well as your drivers’ license? . . .Or what if your national ID card was your ATM card, and your credit card, and your HMO card and your work ID and the passkey to your maximum-security apartment, all at once?” Imagine the possibilities. Already, you can be traced across the country when you use your credit card, and they can know everything you purchase from Boston to Los Angeles. What if your national ID card was also your phone card, insurance card, library card. . . .

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A one world economy means that there will someday be a world ID card, and there will be nothing you can do without it. This is what the mark of the beast will be like, and the purpose of the one world economy. Like a Georgia driver’s license it can contain your thumbprint, or even a retinal scan. The purpose of the antichrist is to control the world and all the people in it. It is the antithesis of how God operates, for God gives freedom — even freedom to live your life without him. The Bible says, “Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom” (2 Corinthians 3:17). God gives us freedom, the devil wants to control and eventually bring us into bondage.

The third thing the antichrist will do is: He will create a one world religion. Increasingly, religion will be seen as one of the major sources of conflict in the world. Even today in Ireland, the middle east and other areas, religious differences seem to contribute to the conflicts raging in the world. As we march toward the end, there will be a growing call to unite all religions into one, under the guise of attempting to bring peace and unite the world. Tremendous pressure will be brought to bear on Christians to capitulate their beliefs and values. Pluralism is the idea that there are many ways to think of God, and only our labels are different. It says that no one has the right to exclusive truth claims. But the Bible, in speaking about Jesus, says: “Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12). We cannot give up the truth in order just to get along. We must respect everyone and recognize that they have the right to believe anything they wish to believe, but we cannot give up our belief that “there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus” (1 Timothy 2:5). To say that the God we worship is the same as Allah, Krishna or any other god is ludicrous and a denial of the truth faith.

When Nero was Caesar of the Roman empire, he allowed the Christians and people of other religions to continue to practice their faith, whatever it was. There was only one stipulation: you also had to come once a year and bow in worship before his image and make an offering. By worshiping before his statue, and placing an offering there, you showed your loyalty to Caesar. If you refused to do pledge your allegiance to the government in this way, you paid with your life — and many, many Christians did. This will likely be the scenario in the last days. At least in the beginning, the antichrist will appear to be a great leader and may permit people to practice their own religion, as long as they recognize all religions as equal and also worship him. But what happens when your religion does not permit you to have other gods? Paul wrote: “For us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live” (1 Corinthians 8:6). Our faith does not permit us to worship Jesus Christ plus something or someone else. Our love and worship of him is exclusive. We cannot compromise at this point, and this is the very thing that Satan understands. It is that very loyalty that drives him mad.

And though this antichrist has the power of Satan behind him, and endeavors to rule through fear and intimidation, his doom is sure. Our confidence is built on the solid rock of Jesus Christ. The fate of the antichrist is spelled out in Scripture where it says, “And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming” (2 Thessalonians 2:8). This confidence is reflected in the great hymn A Mighty Fortress Is Our God:
Did we in our own strength confide,
our striving would be losing,
were not the right man on our side,
the man of God’s own choosing.
Dost ask who that may be?
Christ Jesus, it is he;
Lord Sabbaoth his name,
from age to age the same,
and he must win the battle.

And though this world, with devils filled,
should threaten to undo us,
we will not fear, for God hath willed
his truth to triumph through us.
The Prince of Darkness grim,
we tremble not for him;
his rage we can endure,
for lo, his doom is sure;
one little word shall fell him.
-Rodney Buchanan

Response to NG Church 2005-01-13 20:39:15


It's been awhile since I've been here. How's everything going so far?

As for my random quotes of the bible, this shall be one of them...

There is therefore now no
condemnation to them which are in
Christ Jesus, who walk not after the
flesh, but after the Spirit.
-Romans 8:1,2

Response to NG Church 2005-01-13 20:41:15


Jesus was Jewish, not Christian, you n00bs.

Response to NG Church 2005-01-13 20:52:48


At 1/13/05 08:41 PM, Blam_Zombie wrote: Jesus was Jewish, not Christian, you n00bs.

because christianity was not existing then he had no choice but to be jewish.


The names Food, WillPostForFood.

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Response to NG Church 2005-01-13 20:55:20


At 1/13/05 08:39 PM, Angel_Ramiel wrote: It's been awhile since I've been here. How's everything going so far?

Its been pretty good. We've had 2 anti chruches and one satantic chruch while you were gone. But both were locked. We have also had a chruch sponsered flash. So everythings been good, how 'bout you?

Jesus was Jewish, not Christian, you n00bs

Wow, was He really? That's weird, I thought that before He was born He was already born. Therefore making Him a Christian. Wow you sure have opened some doors for me.

Dumbass

Response to NG Church 2005-01-13 20:57:03


At 1/13/05 08:55 PM, -DivineCrusader- wrote:
Dumbass

What a Christian! You're going straight to hell now!

Response to NG Church 2005-01-13 21:03:03


At 1/13/05 08:57 PM, Blam_Zombie wrote: What a Christian! You're going straight to hell now!

Cussing wont send me to Hell bitch. I'm not a Christian that worries about small things like that. Even Jesus cussed.

Response to NG Church 2005-01-13 21:07:00


At 1/13/05 09:03 PM, -Stigmata- wrote:
Cussing wont send me to Hell bitch. I'm not a Christian that worries about small things like that. Even Jesus cussed.

You're gonna lick the asshole of Satan for all eternity now!

Response to NG Church 2005-01-13 21:08:42


At 1/13/05 09:07 PM, Blam_Zombie wrote: You're gonna lick the asshole of Satan for all eternity now!

Dont you have a failing club to work on

Response to NG Church 2005-01-13 21:17:18


At 1/13/05 09:08 PM, -DivineCrusader- wrote:
Dont you have a failing club to work on

It just began, you n00b