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Response to NG Church 2004-11-20 21:40:45


At 11/20/04 08:51 PM, corupthamster1 wrote: is there like a list of rules or sumthin cus this is kinda confusing i mean there are soooooo many rules.

The 10 Commandments, The Seven Deadly Sins, The Bible, What Jesus preached.

like are christians allowed to cus,

I think its fine as long as you dont take the Lords name in vain (its one of the 10 Commandments)

are christians allowed to play rpg games like dungeons and dragons.

I think those are ok too, but use your own disgretion

i just have so many questions!

Ask away my friend. Any question you have IO'll be happy mto answer.

Response to NG Church 2004-11-20 22:28:37


thanks right now i cant think of any questions tho


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Response to NG Church 2004-11-20 22:40:58


are watching porno films sin?


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Response to NG Church 2004-11-20 22:47:37


At 11/20/04 10:40 PM, corupthamster1 wrote: are watching porno films sin?

i wouldnt the bible doesnt say anyting about porn

Response to NG Church 2004-11-20 23:12:03


At 11/20/04 10:40 PM, corupthamster1 wrote: are watching porno films sin?

Yes, it is. I'm not going to deny that i have watched porn. But its a sin. Jesus said that thinking about the act is the same as doing the act. Porn, for the married, is adultry. Even though they didnt do it, they thought about it. To the unmarried it is fornication.

I know that to teens and to people in their twenties that its very hard not to. Try your best, but remember that its not as grave a sin compared to others. Just watch as little as you can to get by.

Response to NG Church 2004-11-20 23:22:23


so not seeing porn but having any sexual thoughts when not married about a different person your not married to is a sin?

Response to NG Church 2004-11-20 23:25:57


At 11/20/04 11:22 PM, jamie_mcguire wrote: so not seeing porn but having any sexual thoughts when not married about a different person your not married to is a sin?

It seems that way. But I know that its hard for a teen not to. And dont overly worry. It wont keep you out of heaven.

Response to NG Church 2004-11-20 23:28:35


At 11/20/04 11:25 PM, DivineCrusader wrote:
At 11/20/04 11:22 PM, jamie_mcguire wrote: so not seeing porn but having any sexual thoughts when not married about a different person your not married to is a sin?
It seems that way. But I know that its hard for a teen not to. And dont overly worry. It wont keep you out of heaven.

PHEW
if that was true i dont think any male would be in heaven right now :)

Response to NG Church 2004-11-20 23:31:03


At 11/20/04 11:28 PM, jamie_mcguire wrote: PHEW
if that was true i dont think any male would be in heaven right now :)

:)

Just remember, that dosent give you a free reign. Try to keep it in reason. But its not as bad a sin as you can do.

Response to NG Church 2004-11-20 23:48:21


Ok, I want to reply to many of these posts... but that'll have to wait till later... I have one thing to say though.

I don't believe in witchcraft... I've always found it cool, but I don't believe at all that someone can cast a spell or anything. Never seen it. So my question is mainly directed at the person who was asking whether or not it's a sin. What made you beleive in God and have you ever truly witnessed supernatural things?...

anyway, i'll be back later...

goodnight.

Response to NG Church 2004-11-21 08:56:02


At 11/20/04 11:48 PM, CapnJack wrote: Ok, I want to reply to many of these posts... but that'll have to wait till later... I have one thing to say though.

I don't believe in witchcraft... I've always found it cool, but I don't believe at all that someone can cast a spell or anything. Never seen it. So my question is mainly directed at the person who was asking whether or not it's a sin. What made you beleive in God and have you ever truly witnessed supernatural things?...

ok where do i start yes when you do witchcraft it works but has SEVERE consiquences. when i was practicing it i did see alot of supernatural things.witch craft is not wat most peeple think either. What made me believe in god was the fact that i could be happy and free withoute the terrifying consiquenses. And trust me wen i was into witchcraft,satism,ect you could really tell that the peeple that practiced it were very unhappy. but christians seemed really happy and they have a purpose for wat they do. but like i said erlier witchcraft is extremly dangerouse STAY AWAY from it.


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Response to NG Church 2004-11-21 14:12:53


does anybody have any questions on god or any rule they are concerned about

Response to NG Church 2004-11-21 14:14:06


wat aboute tatus and piercings?


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Response to NG Church 2004-11-21 14:51:51


your body is like a temple dont ruin it with peircing and tatooes plus when you get old and still have them itll look really weird

Response to NG Church 2004-11-21 14:56:12


like this

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Response to NG Church 2004-11-21 14:59:48


The NG mafia was locked
*snif*
this sucks ass...why did they lock it, our days of spam where over but nooooooo that wasn't good enough...I hate mods, they fucking suck.


When the hell did I become level 10? I level whilst being completly inactive, that's how much I rock ! ^^

Response to NG Church 2004-11-21 15:12:34


why are you telling us?


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Response to NG Church 2004-11-21 15:16:55


At 11/21/04 03:12 PM, corupthamster1 wrote: why are you telling us?

because of DC, he used to be a member and a good friend of the whole mafia...exept Ghost...


When the hell did I become level 10? I level whilst being completly inactive, that's how much I rock ! ^^

Response to NG Church 2004-11-21 15:18:09


o and its not locked i just looked he threatened to lock but said he is giving another chance


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Response to NG Church 2004-11-21 15:39:12


At 11/21/04 03:18 PM, corupthamster1 wrote: o and its not locked i just looked he threatened to lock but said he is giving another chance

well he locked it but then it was unlocked...well it's better this way...


When the hell did I become level 10? I level whilst being completly inactive, that's how much I rock ! ^^

Response to NG Church 2004-11-21 17:41:48


At 11/20/04 11:22 PM, jamie_mcguire wrote: so not seeing porn but having any sexual thoughts when not married about a different person your not married to is a sin?

God is the one who created us and thus knows how we think and work. That means that God understands us and knows that humans are not perfect by nature.

It is partly for this reason that God is so forgiving of us. Another major reason for God being so forgiving of us is that God loves each and every one of His creations.

As for your question, I believe that while porn is wrong, you will not go to Hell because you look at it. Nor will you go to Hell for having sexual thoughts about someone whom you are not yet married to. However, such things will probably earn you a brief stay in Purgatory if you do not atone for those sins before you die.

I do not wish to frighten anyone here about that, so I shall attempt to explain why you would go to Purgatory and what would take place there in 'positive' way:

If you did not atone for your sins and wrong-doings, but are not truly evil, you will be sent to Purgatory. That is basicaly kind of like being sent to the back of the line for entering Heaven because you misbahaved.

During your stay in Purgatory all of your sins and wrong-doings will be burned away from your soul leaving your soul pure and good so that you may enter Heaven. I am pretty certain that it is not a painful proccess since God is not vengful. Try to think of Purgatory as a kind of waiting room.

However, if you are not truly sorry for commiting those sins you most likely will go to Hell, or at least the evil part of you will.

Furthermore, try to remember that God put such urges to look at porn, ect., for a reason. I believe that it is partly for the sake of keeping our species alive, and also as a test to see how well we would obey God. I am also certain the God often times rewards us for obeying Him, but not in very obvious ways.


I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend to be one of those deaf-mutes.

Response to NG Church 2004-11-21 19:48:48


At 11/21/04 02:12 PM, ipawd wrote: does anybody have any questions on god or any rule they are concerned about

Are you a member here? If not you should join.

I don't believe in witchcraft... I've always found it cool

Dude, be careful. The bible says that witchcraft is wrong. It gives permission for someone to kill a witch.

wat aboute tatus and piercings?

One or two is ok, i think. I'm even going to get a tatoo when I hit 18. Three guesses at what the tatoo is going to be. A cross. Just keep it in reason.

because of DC, he used to be a member and a good friend of the whole mafia...exept Ghost...

And Strauss. Yeah Joic, you and SDG are the only Mafia members that I have kept in touch with. Its hard with Blinky because she isnt around much, same with Rocketman. Red I havent seen in a long time. But I'm going to be honest with you. If the Mafia got locked I wouldnt lose any sleep over it.
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Response to NG Church 2004-11-21 21:27:03


The Unpardonable Sin?
Matthew 12:22-12:32

"What is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit?"

This is certainly a question that people ask on a regular basis. What they mean is: Can a person sin so badly that God would never forgive him? Can a man become such a murderer, drunkard, pervert, liar, etc. that he is beyond the grace of God? There are many people who seem to be almost tormented by the idea that maybe they have committed this sin against the Holy Spirit: the unpardonable sin.

There even may be some here this evening who think that they have committed a sin that was so bad and so heinous that they cannot receive forgiveness. Throughout the New Testament there are several scattered references to this unforgivable sin, which seems to be cloaked in ambiguity. However, we can find one occasion in which our Lord spoke directly about this question (and two other parallel accounts of His comments).

Matthew 12:22-32 (ESV)

Then a demon-oppressed man who was blind and mute was brought to him, and he healed him, so that the man spoke and saw. [23] And all the people were amazed, and said, "Can this be the Son of David?" [24] But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, "It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this man casts out demons."

[25] Knowing their thoughts, he said to them, "Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and no city or house divided against itself will stand. [26] And if Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? [27] And if I cast out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they will be your judges. [28] But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you. [29] Or how can someone enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? Then indeed he may plunder his house. [30] Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters.

[31] Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. [32] And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

Although many Christians have struggled over Jesus’ words in this passage, the Holy Spirit does provide us with all the information we need to fully understand this unpardonable sin. In order to fully grasp the meaning of Jesus’ comments, however, we need to see these events in their complete context -- a context which begins with...

I. AN AWESOME MIRACLE:

Look, again, at verse twenty-two [22]: Then a demon-oppressed man who was blind and mute was brought to him, and he healed him, so that the man spoke and saw. [23] And all the people were amazed, and said, "Can this be the Son of David?"

Jesus’ usual practice was to go out early to an isolated place to pray. At the beginning of this busy day, Christ was returning to the place He was staying, perhaps to eat breakfast. When He arrived, the house was packed with people eager to listen or to be healed. The Bible says, "He came home, and the crowd gathered again, to such an extent that they could not even eat a meal" (Mark 3:20). Undisturbed, Jesus began to help them.

One specific miracle is reported, a triple miracle of restoring sanity, sight, and speech: Jesus cast a demon out of a man who was blind and unable to speak. By the way, the inability to speak usually indicated an inability to hear, so this may have been a quadruple miracle! But in either case, it was astounding: "all the people were amazed."

Now, we hear about "miracles" being performed by faith healers and such, every so often. But, those so-called miracles always seem take place "over yonder." Someone might say, "I know of a man who got healed over there in India." Or, "There was a guy who got raised from the dead on a crusade in the far-country of Afghanistan." But that’s not the kind of miracle that Jesus performed, is it!? No, when Jesus healed a person, it was right there in public -- right where everyone and his brother could see it!

There was no denying the miracles that Jesus performed. They were so powerful and so in-your-face, that you were almost forced to believe in Him. The multitude was so amazed that they began asking, "Can this be the Son of David?" The term "Son of David" was a Messianic title. These people were beginning to realize that this Jesus, was the Son of God.

While Jesus was teaching and healing, the Pharisees and Scribes were present as usual. Some had even come from Jerusalem to harass Him. The admission of the crowd that He might be the "Son of David" apparently intensified their hatred. They soon launched a new attack, which was...

II. A BASELESS ACCUSATION:`

Notice verse twenty-four [24]: But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, "It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this man casts out demons."

It’s important to notice, here, that the Pharisees did not question the fact that a miracle had taken place. They did not dispute, the way many people today would, that a miracle had occurred. But did that mean they would accept Jesus as the Messiah? Not at all! Unable to deny that Christ was performing miracles, they accused Him of being in league with Satan. They said, "He is possessed by Beelzebul" (Mark 3:22). Beelzebul, or Beelzebub, was the name of a pagan god, and was often used by the Jews to refer to Satan. Literally, the name means "the Lord of the flies".

Despite all the evidence staring them in the face, the Pharisees absolutely refused to accept Jesus as the Son of God! They were so blinded by their own hatred and desire to poison the multitudes against Christ, that they could not see the absurdity of their own accusation. It is a sad, and yet all too common, occurrence when a person recognizes the truth, yet refuses to accept it. Even though they were circulating this absurd suggestion through the outskirts of the crowd, Jesus knew exactly what they were thinking and saying. And so, He responds to them with...

Response to NG Church 2004-11-21 21:28:33


III. AN IRREFUTABLE ANSWER:

Jesus answered their accusation with three arguments. Mark calls these parables. The Lord first said that their accusation was illogical: [25] "Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and no city or house divided against itself will stand. [26] And if Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand?" Jesus used outstanding, irrefutable logic against them: Why would Satan cast out one of his own demons? That doesn’t make sense! It’s not logical.

Second, He said that their accusation was inconsistent: [27] "And if I cast out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your sons cast them out?" Jesus is referring here to certain Jews who practiced exorcism, apparently sometimes successfully (Acts 19:13). The Pharisees believed that their own disciples were able to cast out demons, but they did not believe that their follower did so by the power of Satan -- which is inconsistent. Any accusation leveled against Christ could and should have been leveled against their own country men.

Finally, Jesus said their accusation was impossible: [29] "Or how can someone enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man?" In order to bind the "strong man" (that is, Satan), Jesus would have to be stronger than Satan. If Jesus received His power from Satan, then He couldn’t possibly be stronger than Satan.

The only feasible answer was that Jesus perform His miracles "by the Spirit of God," and that "the kingdom of God" was at hand. However, "knowing their thoughts," Jesus was aware that these Pharisees were still hardened against Him, and that, despite all the evidence and all the arguments, they would never believe! It was at this point that Jesus accused them of committing...

IV. AN UNFORGIVABLE SIN:

Notice verse thirty-one [31], one more time: "Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. [32] And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come."

So, what exactly had these Pharisees done that would cause Jesus to say that they could "not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come?" The word "blaspheme" literally means "to speak against." The scribes and Pharisees were guilt of "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" because they were attributing the work of the Spirit to Satan. But is to simply "speak against" the Holy Spirit enough to bring about irrevocable eternal condemnation? Certainly not!

The apostle Paul was, himself, guilty of that sin. He writes, "Even though I was formerly a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent aggressor. Yet I was shown mercy because I acted ignorantly in unbelief; [14] and the grace of our Lord was more than abundant, with the faith and love which are found in Christ Jesus" (1 Tim. 1:13).

Paul had been guilty of saying the exact same things -- and worse -- as the other Pharisees, before he met the Lord on the road to Damascus. We often hear the name of God or Jesus being used in vain or blasphemous ways, even today. How can God forgive words spoken against His Son, and yet not forgive the words spoken against His Spirit?

Well, obviously there is something deeper implied, than simply speaking against the Spirit; if not then the beloved Apostle Paul would have been lost eternally as well. So what is meant by "blasphemy against the Spirit?" Let’s consider some of the sinners we read about in the New Testament.

The "tax-collectors and sinners" were acknowledge by others and admitted by themselves to be notorious transgressors of God’s Law. Yet, when they came to Jesus in Luke 15:1, they certainly found more than enough grace to forgive their sins.

Take the case of the sinful woman whose reputation (quite literally) followed her in Luke 7:36-50 and the woman who was got caught in bed with a man not her husband in John 8:11. Would God forgive such scandal? Yes! Both found that Jesus had grace enough to cover their fleshly sins.

What about a traitor -- one of the inner circle who forsook the Lord "with his eyes open," even after he had been warned? Peter was all these; he denied his Master three times the night that the "Friend of Sinners" most needed a friend. He cursed and swore that he did not even know the man. Could God forgive such a one? Yes. Jesus forgave Peter and gave him a place of honor as the "key-note speaker" on the Day of Pentecost.

What about murderers? Certainly there is no sin whose than killing another person. And yet, the Apostle Paul, again, had been involved in murder. Even those on whose hands God saw crimson stains that matched His Son’s blood type were told: "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit" (Acts 2:38). Even murder -- even the murder of Jesus Christ -- could be forgiven.

All of these sins, in fact every sin that a person commits, can be forgiven. But even so, the Pharisees had not done any of these things; so none of these could be the sin against the Spirit. What sin had they committed that meant they could not be forgiven!?

Response to NG Church 2004-11-21 21:30:21


Understand that Jesus did not condemn His enemies because of what they said or because of any single act. Rather, He denounced them for their obstinate hardness of heart. Their words gave evidence of the evil in their hearts. The sin against the Holy Spirit is not a matter of speech; the words spoke are only "fruit" from a sin-filled heart. That is why Jesus states very clearly: [34] "You brood of vipers! How can you speak good, when you are evil? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks." How had the scribes and Pharisees reached such a deplorable condition? By constantly and consistently refusing to accept the Spirit-created evidence that proved Jesus to be the Messiah, their hearts had become rock-hard.

What is "blasphemy against the Spirit?" It is the final and complete rejection of Jesus Christ. This sin is a denial of the Spirit’s message and rejection of the Lord’s deity. Jesus made it clear that all sins can be forgiven. Adultery, murder, blasphemy, and other sins can all be forgiven; they are not unpardonable. But God cannot forgive the rejection of His Son. It is the Holy Spirit who bears witness to Christ and convicts the lost sinner.

Conclusion:

When it comes right down to it: the only sin for which there is no forgiveness, is the sin for which no forgiveness is wanted. The Pharisees had so hated and hardened their hearts against Jesus, that for them there was no turning back. They witness an Awesome Miracle. They made a Baseless Accusation. They heard an Irrefutable Answer. But they were guilty of an Unforgivable Sin. Salvation is denied them, not because it is not offered, but because they have permanently rejected it.

Sometimes people wonder if they have committed "the sin against the Holy Spirit." A wise old preacher said, "If you’re honestly worried that you’ve committed it, you haven’t." He meant that such concern is evidence that one’s heart is not irreversibly hardened.

Invitation:

The "Good News" that Jesus came to deliver is that forgiveness is available to everyone! The ever-flowing waters of the Well of Life are always available to those who desire to come and to quench their thirst. How we should rejoice that:

There is a fountain filled with blood,
Drawn from Immanuel’s veins;
And sinners plunged beneath that flood,
Lose all their guilty stains.

If there are any sins on your heart today -- if you have been considering obeying the Gospel -- then don’t put it off another minute. Each time you hear the invitation and do not respond, your heart grows a little harder. As long as the Gospel of Jesus has an effect on your heart, there is still hope. Before the years roll passed and your heart grows hard, Jesus invites you to come! Lay your sins at His feet and be washed in the blood of the Lamb. If you’re ready to commit your life to Christ this evening, then come...

Response to NG Church 2004-11-21 21:34:56


At 11/21/04 07:48 PM, DivineCrusader wrote: And Strauss. Yeah Joic, you and SDG are the only Mafia members that I have kept in touch with. Its hard with Blinky because she isnt around much, same with Rocketman. Red I havent seen in a long time.

I feel special!

But I'm going to be honest with you. If the Mafia got locked I wouldnt lose any sleep over it.
'

yeah...hey you know, if the mafia gets locked we could do that thing we here talking about a month or so ago.


When the hell did I become level 10? I level whilst being completly inactive, that's how much I rock ! ^^

Response to NG Church 2004-11-21 22:13:07


ok im kinda scared i put out a flash on the portal that was based on blasfimy and hatred agienst god am i damned i am truly sorry for the flash.


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Response to NG Church 2004-11-21 22:14:13


At 11/21/04 10:13 PM, corupthamster1 wrote: ok im kinda scared i put out a flash on the portal that was based on blasfimy and hatred agienst god am i damned i am truly sorry for the flash.

Whats it called? Or better yet can you give me a link?

Response to NG Church 2004-11-21 22:17:54


it was a while ago it was blammed off ng and i think i deleted it off my computer but some of the things said in there were "white is the evil coloure""nouns where white" "the pope wheres white" and then there were like pentagrams and stuff all over the place and a coffin with a cross eched in the wood.


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Response to NG Church 2004-11-21 22:19:48


At 11/21/04 10:17 PM, corupthamster1 wrote: then there were like pentagrams and stuff all over the place and a coffin with a cross eched in the wood.

uuuhm...where the pentagrams like upside down???


When the hell did I become level 10? I level whilst being completly inactive, that's how much I rock ! ^^