At 1/16/12 11:26 PM, Sense-Offender wrote:

At 1/16/12 07:07 PM, ToastedCupcake wrote: Now that's just not true. The driving in the Hot Wheels game I played on my mom's Windows '95 was even superior to Saints Row 1 and 2.

I don't know what you're talking about. The handling was great in those games, and the handling in GTA 4 was like all the roads were made of ice. In Saints Row the Third, I zip across the map, weaving between cars in the oncoming lane, escaping cops and gang members with ease. I love it.

Yeah, because you're basically driving a toy Matchbox car from your Kellogg's cereal box. Cars don't turn on a dime when they're doing 50+ like they do in the Saints Row world.

At 1/17/12 01:01 AM, bongboy69 wrote: i want too know the name of this weed now

i believe it's the rare strand of "crystally ass spider looking shit"

At 1/17/12 02:16 PM, Dromedary wrote:

At 1/17/12 01:01 AM, bongboy69 wrote: i want too know the name of this weed now

i believe it's the rare strand of "crystally ass spider looking shit"

I've been meaning to ask, isn't a dromedary a type of camel?

Holy shit I'm not motivated to do anything at all. Quick, someone feed me a hilarious highdea to animate.

Wallofyawn's name, by the way, is taken from one of the best songs ever. Stoner metal rocks hard.

Do something about Grand Theft Auto , like the main character San Andreas (the black one) killing a lot of hooker in a way or another in the street beside the casino while a hobo is sniffing a blunt watching this in the back alley LMAO

At 1/17/12 09:13 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: Wallofyawn's name, by the way, is taken from one of the best songs ever. Stoner metal rocks hard.

I wouldn't say it's one of the best songs ever, but it sure is a good song. Granted, that whole genre is a complete rip off of Black Sabbath, but it's still nice. :D

At the time I took the name, I was very into Stoner Metal as it's called(tho I would just call it metal...or classic metal) and Sleep is a very underrated band. They don't get the attention they deserve.

That being said, I admittedly haven't listened to them in quite some time, but now I think I will. Thanks Sense-Offender. :D

Also, about GTA because someone mentioned San Andreas, and it got me thinking. I actually think the most unrealistic of them all is this one. Not because of all the gang bullshit, but because halfway through the game, after you gain a mansion, your own record label, and millions of dollars, you still return to the hood.

Who the hell in their right mind, after becoming a millionaire, would ever go back to the ghetto, much less to help out a gang of fools who were gonna stab you in the back anyways? Half of which were PCP and Crack addicts.

I think if you are gonna complain about anything being unrealistic in those games, that'd be it. Everything else who cares? Shit, if I grew up in Compton, and moved up to Beverly Hills, I would never go back. But then again, I'm white, so maybe I don't understand how that shit works. I mean, supporting your community is one thing, but supporting your community when your community is a crack community...yea, I don't get that.

lol you sound like the kind of person that is lonely as hell and doesn't have a family !!!

Because they were friends , and they started togethere in San Andreas like when they were kids ...
Its called friendship ... If you doesn't know what it is that's your problem, stay alone...

At 1/18/12 12:37 AM, Sepultura123 wrote: lol you sound like the kind of person that is lonely as hell and doesn't have a family !!!

Because they were friends , and they started togethere in San Andreas like when they were kids ...
Its called friendship ... If you doesn't know what it is that's your problem, stay alone...

I have 3 really good friends, and that's all a guy could ask for really. Admittedly, one of them is my sister, and the other is her boyfriend, but still. I know what true friendship is man. Never been mr. popularity, but that never bothered me.

In San Andreas, the only person really left in his community loyal to CJ is his own brother, who is committed to the gang. The rest of your homies in that game end up trying to kill you. So, there's that.

I'm not saying don't stay loyal to your homies and family, but if I ever lived in the ghetto(which I have before, actually, but I never grew up in the ghetto, thank god) and had an opportunity to leave, I'd high tail it outta there, and make sure I took my friends and family with me.

Staying loyal to something that holds you back aint no way to live man. You gotta keep moving forward, to bigger and better things. If you got homies that were there for you, that's fine. I'd try and get them out as well. I'd make them business associates.

In SA tho, CJ's brother didn't wanna leave. He was still committed to that community, which by the end of the game, became a crack neighborhood. Then again, I do think CJ helped get rid of that, and clean it up a bit, so maybe I'm wrong.

I'm just saying, if I was in a bad situation, and got into a good situation, I might think twice before going back to that situation, you know? But hey, everyone's different I guess. I respect being down for your family and friends. Aint nothing wrong with that man.

seriously what? what is preventing you from getting other friends

how can you possibly be satisfied hanging out with one person

i get sick of people pretty quickly man if i only socialized with 3 people i would go crazy

At 1/18/12 01:20 AM, Spilda-Bongwata wrote: seriously what? what is preventing you from getting other friends

how can you possibly be satisfied hanging out with one person

i get sick of people pretty quickly man if i only socialized with 3 people i would go crazy

Financial situations, not being able to go to social gatherings, living in secluded mountain town, not having ever gone to highschool, or attended college. A plethora of reasons, but most of them were my fault.

It's no biggy, though. Things will be changing VERY soon, I can assure you. :D

I'm with WoY on keeping just a few good friends, and I mean real, true friends.

At 1/18/12 12:20 AM, WallofYawn wrote: Granted, that whole genre is a complete rip off of Black Sabbath, but it's still nice. :D

not all of it, and certainly not Sleep. They're bluesy and have their Sabbath influence, but they still have quite a different sound. I wouldn't call stoner metal a ripoff of them either, because Sabbath wasn't the only pioneer of groovy, bluesy doom metal. Pentagram comes to mind.

(tho I would just call it metal...or classic metal)

Well, assuming stoner metal isn't truly a real, legitimate sub-genre, then I think calling it doom metal makes more sense than calling it traditional/heavy metal.

That being said, I admittedly haven't listened to them in quite some time, but now I think I will. Thanks Sense-Offender. :D

Maybe I'll PM you with a list of stoner recs.

At 1/18/12 01:25 AM, WallofYawn wrote:

At 1/18/12 01:20 AM, Spilda-Bongwata wrote: seriously what? what is preventing you from getting other friends

how can you possibly be satisfied hanging out with one person

i get sick of people pretty quickly man if i only socialized with 3 people i would go crazy

Financial situations, not being able to go to social gatherings, living in secluded mountain town, not having ever gone to highschool, or attended college. A plethora of reasons, but most of them were my fault.

It's no biggy, though. Things will be changing VERY soon, I can assure you. :D

oh well then its not a problem really

i thought what you were saying is that you see no "issue" with it

At 1/18/12 02:08 AM, Sense-Offender wrote: I'm with WoY on keeping just a few good friends, and I mean real, true friends.

At 1/18/12 12:20 AM, WallofYawn wrote: Granted, that whole genre is a complete rip off of Black Sabbath, but it's still nice. :D

not all of it, and certainly not Sleep. They're bluesy and have their Sabbath influence, but they still have quite a different sound. I wouldn't call stoner metal a ripoff of them either, because Sabbath wasn't the only pioneer of groovy, bluesy doom metal. Pentagram comes to mind.

Ok, that's true. Hell, Pentagram hadn't even heard of Sabbath, when they were playing that exact same style, I hear, in the same time period.

So, maybe it isn't a black sabbath rip-off, but I would say they are playing that exact same style.

I never understood why they call it "doom metal." or "stoner metal" either. It's just metal. You can call thrash metal, thrash metal, because it's different. It took the genre in a new direction, and not just playing faster either. Playing slow, however, doesn't make it a whole new genre in my mind, and neither does singing about melancholy shit, or singing about pot. It's just good old-fashioned metal.

Sleep, Cathedral, Pentagram, Black Sabbath, Fu Manchu, they all play the same style. Now, I will leave Kyuss out of the mix, because they can be a bit grungy at times(in fact, many of the members are in stone temple pilots now, I believe)

But I digress, Sleep are still a great band, and I picked this name for a reason, and that reason being that I really like them, and that song.

(tho I would just call it metal...or classic metal)

Well, assuming stoner metal isn't truly a real, legitimate sub-genre, then I think calling it doom metal makes more sense than calling it traditional/heavy metal.

Why? All doom describes is that it's slow, and dark sounding, and the lyrics are about suffering and misanthrope. Stylistically, it's no different from what heavy metal bands were doing back in the day, just a bit more modern, or musical, or have a bit more distortion. I mean, Thrash Metal is more separated from traditional metal than those "sub-genres" will ever be.

But I have a hard time even recognizing death metal anymore. I used to, but I thought about it, and really this is how it should be, genre wise:

Thrash Metal should include death metal and black metal, because they are just heavier versions. Those sub-genres should not even exist, because they're pointless and stupid really. I mean, don't get me wrong, I like bands like At the Gates, The Haunted, Death, Atheist, Pesticide, Nile, and Alchemist, but really, they're still thrash metal, just at times heavier and more "wall of sound" ish, with more "blast beats."(a technical term for frantically banging on the drums like a chimpanzee)

To prove a point:

Ever heard of a band called Hellhammer? Ever heard of Venom? Sodom? Those bands were thrash metal bands, and were souly responsible for the creation of death metal and black metal as well. Along with being some of the earliest thrash bands, they played darker, more ominous sounding metal, that centered around topics of death, murder, and satanism/witch craft. Case in point? Death metal, and black metal don't really exist. They are just more extreme and less accessible than other thrash bands.

Metal should include Doom, Stoner, and all those styles that are not much different than what Black Sabbath, Cream, Pentagram, etc. were doing.

Nu-metal is probably the dumbest genre description ever. I won't even waste my breath on this one, because all it is is a stupid made up name, for bands that took influence from industrial rock bands, and bands like the Deftones.(in fact, I'd go as far as calling Slipknot a Deftones rip off, and a bad one at that)

Power Metal and Classical Metal are not much different than a lot of the 80s rock groups played on radio and the like, only they sing about gay shit, like wizards and dragons. They should call it nerd metal. They do demonstrate how influencial classical music was on modern metal, though. Hell, Mozart was like the Eddy Van Halen of the classical music world.

Progressive metal? Shit, this is just another way of saying, "pretentious math lovers who are obsessed with odd time signatures."

Grindcore? Grindcore to me is not much different than what they call brutal death metal. It is an offshoot of powerviolence, which is an off-shoot of crust punk, which was a mix of metal and hardcore punk, before crossover thrash became popular, and well before the genre of "metalcore" was "invented."

Most grindcore consists of three chords played at lightning fast speed, for 20-30 sec. with a guy screaming about blood and guts. Grindcore to me, only makes sense as a section of a song, not as an entire song itself. Like, everything is going smooth, and then out of nowhere, chaos comes in. But as an entire stand alone genre, I wouldn't waste my time on it, much less consider it "music."

And this is coming from a guy who listens to some pretty weird and off-beat music at times.

Gothic? Half of it isn't metal, the other half just sounds like softer, more melodic metal, with string section and twin quortets added in. I would not consider it gothic, though. Most of them do not take any influence from the gothic genre.

I mean, Draconian and 69 eyes have absolutely nothing to do with Bauhaus or the Fields of Nephilim.

Viking and Folk metal are practically the same thing. Bathory was around at the time of Black Sabbath, so this just makes it metal really. Kind of a pointless name, although they do take influence from traditional folk music, and you definitely get the feel of vikings when listening to them.

Symphonic? Well, gothic metal often falls into this category as well. Symphonic is pretty much what the name suggests: contains a symphony, or is at least made to sound like a symphony. I guess it works, even though it isn't so much a stylistic description, as it is: metal that has a symphony.

Hell, you could say Metallica are symphonic metal because they used a symphony a couple times, or that Led Zepplin were a symphonic rock group because of Kashmir. Kind of pointless really.

Sorry, that was REALLY long I know, but that's pretty much my opinion of it now. I used to buy into all that genre crap, and don't get me wrong, I'm not discrediting any of the artists who use these descriptions, I'm just saying that these descriptions are kind of pointless really, for the reasons I've specified.

That being said, I admittedly haven't listened to them in quite some time, but now I think I will. Thanks Sense-Offender. :D

Maybe I'll PM you with a list of stoner recs.

Go ahead, although I can tell you right now, I've probably heard them all. I'm what you'd call a "music connoisseur ." But if there is a group I haven't heard of before, I'd love to hear it. I try to get my hands on anything and everything I can, both new and old, so long as it's good.

Oh, and I left out Metalcore and Groove Metal.

Metalcore? Well, in the 90s, it was just a heavier, more groovey version of crossover thrash(punk influenced thrash metal) with chunkier riffs and breakdowns.

Now it kind of sounds like Screamo to me.(an off-shoot of emo music, which was an off-shoot of more melodic hardcore bands)

Groove Metal is basically just slower, crunchier versions of metallica and megadeth. Pantera, White Zombie, Godsmack, etc. which were also influenced partly, or influenced, industrial metal, and some venture into that territory.(like white zombie, for instance)

Hell, even thrash metal was influenced by punk, and classical music.

So, what is my point in all this shit? It's that when you actually think about it, all of these descriptions are bogus, and only a few of them serve any real purpose, while the rest are just redundant really.

One more thing to add, and I'm sorry for being so jibber-jabbery and possibly boring your asses off, but:

Most of these genres really were just invented because of group followings. People exclusively listening to/playing those "styles." Similarities between them, and cult followings, led them to come up with some bogus name, to try and distinguish them from other rock groups. Most of them are not doing anything new, or unique, but adding twists to shit that's already been done before.

But I'll stop now. I'm just really obsessed with this shit, and get kind of carried away/uptight with it sometimes. I'm kind of a music snob/enthusiast, admittedly. :)

I think doom metal has a distinct sound that's different enough from heavy metal to have legitimacy as a subgenre. I mean listen to Candlemass. That there is doooooom.

Black metal and death metal indeed evolved from thrash, but the sounds are extremely different now. Back in the day, they sounded quite similar to thrash, like Morbid Saint and Venom for example, but that's not the case anymore. Don't tell me Fleshgod Apocalypse or Negura Bunget sound like thrash metal. They are very clearly death metal and black metal, respectively. These have definitely their own distinct subgenres.

As for power metal, you may have a point, but it's still been established a real thing. I can definitely tell when I'm hearing power metal and not just heavy metal. It has its characteristics. One thing that comes to mind is falsettos being even more common, as common as it was already. And there's the constant "dodo tsch dododo tsch" drum beat in almost every freaking song, which is one of the reasons I don't listen to much of the stuff anymore. I was really into it when I was 16 and 17. Now, I just listen to Angra and the occasional Helloween. Helloween's best stuff were on their first two albums, though, which was more like heavy metal with a bit of a thrashy side.

I hardly know much about groove metal and I don't listen to any groove metal other than the occasional Fear Factory song. And I know nothing about gothic metal and never listen to it. The same goes for grindcore, though I do dig a few Anaal Nathrakh songs, though, and they're supposedly a combination of grindcore and black metal. Either way, Mick Kenney has an awesome side project called Professor Fate, which is supposed to be darkwave, apparently.

I consider "symphonic" to be more of a descriptive term that's added as an adjective to the actual subgenre of the band, like "symphonic black metal" or something. It's just like "melodic" "depressive" and "atmospheric".

Viking metal isn't even a real subgenre, but I'd say folk could count. Really, though bands that play this are really a certain subgenre with folk influences, or sometimes not even influences but just traditional instruments like cellos, flutes, and stuff. A lot of it tends to be black metal or melodeath. It isn't all that way, though. For example, Korpiklaani pretty much sounds like thrash metal with violin, fiddle, and bagpipes.

Progressive metal is like prog rock, but metal. That one is simple.

I don't even consider nu-metal or most metalcore to really even be metal. I think of them as unfortunate misnomers for having "metal" in the names.

What do you think of the term sludge metal, then? I'd say it's a real thing. I listen to a lot of it, too. There's a big trend with sludge metal bands with post-rock influences and it sounds awesome.

And what do you think of the term, funeral doom metal? Do you consider it to just be extremely slow death metal?

And what about avant-garde metal? I listen to an assload of bands that are called this. But almost no two avant-garde metal bands sound the same unless one of the bands takes influence or is trying to emulate another band. For example, Smile Carved Sour is total Ved Buens Ende Worship. Although, there are a lot of bands labelled avant-garde metal that are basically black metal or "post-black metal" with progressive elements and a bit of experimentation or general strangeness.

And regarding the purpose of the different labels, I'd say it's to more easily find bands of a certain kind of sound that you want to hear. I think it's helpful.

You should bring this topic to the Metal Hell and see what the guys have to say. Or I could quote you. Yeah, I'll quote you. This should bring some more pages in good time. It'll be a good start to get back those 50+ pages that we lost when batman64 had his account deleted.

Also, I bet I could come up with at least one stoner band you've never heard of before. I could also be considered a music connoisseur. At the very least, I am certainly a metal connoisseur. There's a reason I was elected one of the four "horsemen" of the Hell...which is basically just a guy who looks at your list of ten metal bands and tells you you're welcome if you have enough actual metal bands listed so you'll actually be able to have anything to add to the conversation.

At 1/18/12 01:20 AM, Spilda-Bongwata wrote: i get sick of people pretty quickly man if i only socialized with 3 people i would go crazy

Yeah silly high school kids probably think that, but once you enter the real world, and realize the people on your faceboook or msn or whatever, are just acquaintances who don't actually give a fuck about you, you'll realize how few real friends you actually have. The people that will help you at the cost of themselves.

Good friends? You don't need more than a handful of those.

Say some grade ten kid says; "I have like fifty nine friends and know like five hundred people" LOL no, you have like no friends and a bunch of people who you can drink/smoke/go to parties with, but these people would never help you if a serious situation were to arise.

The fact that you would get sick of talking to a small number of people "pretty quickly", because you get "sick of them" is just hilarious by itself. You are clearly too cool for school, brah.

I agree with Sneaky. There are people you hang out with, and then there are friends.

At 1/18/12 09:13 AM, Sneak-a-Toke wrote:

listen you pretentious goof man you need to fucking relax or get out

i only HAVE a handful of friends man, and a bunch of people you would call acquaintances

i dont make plans with acquaintances, and i dont give a fuck about anything that happens in their lives. the only time i see acquaintances is when im hanging out with other people. mostly just at parties.

i think what you need to realize that you can have more than a few good friends.

in wallofyawn's case he's got three, but two of them he may have to live with. i have a brother. he has a girlfriend. i'm close with them both, we've done lots together. i consider both of them my good friends, but i wouldn't stay at my brothers house for more than a night unless i needed somewhere to stay. that's because a lot of people (including me) get fucking sick of each other. that's why it's great to have a few other "good friends" to hang out with. how can you not understand how that makes sense? why do you immediately assume i ONLY TRULY HAVE BLAH BLAH fuck off, you dont know me. how can you make that assumption? for the most part i'm not a very social person. but i still have good friends.

let me put this shit in perspective

my best friend has 2 sisters. currently one of the sisters has a boyfriend, and it's serious. he smokes, drinks and works together with the guy. but his sister doesn't live with him. he has to see them all the time, which isn't a nuisance. it just gets old. i dont know one person who would say anything different man. fucking relax.

and your whole argument falls apart when you scrutinize it even a little bit. you dont know anything about me, and for all you know i could be out of high school. well as a matter of fact i am. for all you know, i dont use IM's or MSN or social networks. which i dont. all of this is irrelevant because if i did it says nothing about me other than the assumption i like to talk to friends on the internet.

apply that to newgrounds man. you're doing the same thing as many people here do all the time. they assume newgrounds is full of crude, anti social people who all just love to use memes. yet everyone i TALK to on newgrounds is nothing like that. sure. there are lots of people here who do. but fuck those people. i dont like those guys so i avoid them. every time you bring bad vibes to clubs and crews you're fucking up the balance.

At 1/18/12 09:24 AM, Sense-Offender wrote: I agree with Sneaky. There are people you hang out with, and then there are friends.

that's not a fucking universal rule holy shit think of how stupid that statement is. just think about it for a second.

let me disprove that statement right now.

my friend has an older brother who i see 10 times less than my buddy's sister.

but i wouldn't consider my buddy's sister a good friend. me and her haven't actually HUNG OUT enough do you fucking understand? you can have 20 good friends if you want fuck. there's nothing wrong with that. all it means is that you have dedicated enough time and had enough history to be close with all those people. its not something i want to do, but its not impossible. im not going to say i dont have the time either. i dont work. i would just rather hang out with the friends i have now. and waste time on newgrounds. that doesn't mean my circle will stay the same forever.

2 years ago i had friends who i have now stopped hanging out with. i also have friends now who i didn't know 2 years ago. you could have a friend now that you knew before but never hung out with. shit changes all the time. when i was in middle school and was actually attending i saw the same friends a lot more often. it's not like im going to get sick of them just because i see them every day. but if i ONLY talked to those people i would get bored with them.

want to know something? all of those friends in that specific circle i have almost completely lost touch with. they are now acquaintances. i can hang out with them sure, and they aren't my friends/ they're acquaintances. but that isn't a fucking rule. to assume it is or should be is completely ludicrous.

At 1/18/12 02:04 PM, Spilda-Bongwata wrote: let me disprove that statement right now.

my friend has an older brother who i see 10 times less than my buddy's sister.

the point here i forgot to mention is that his older brother IS a good friend

let me get back to the facebook thing though. it seems like you have an unreasonable hate for facebook users along with a bunch of assumptions that cannot be reasonably justified. i dont use facebook. i dont use it because i hate mark zuckerberg. however - that CAN be reasonably justified.

by the information i have gathered you seem like a cynical person. i couldn't assume you're cynical before though, because what i knew before is irrelevant.

for example if i knew you liked to finger your asshole it would be stupid to say "oh you must be cynical"

all i can assume is that you are a homosexual. or a bisexual, whatever. even then there may be other factors. you could be in denial, maybe you fucked a guy and your balls didn't touch i dont fucking know. what i can say for sure is that you like the feeling of things stuck up your ass.

it's sad that some of you are so much older than me but some of you can't understand that 50% of the time their opinion doesn't mean shit. you wouldn't walk outside on a rainy day hoping you're going to stay dry. but you also CAN'T assume it's going to rain just because you see dark clouds. or the weatherman said so. those clouds may pass right over your little suburb onto the next city. you can't deny that some people on facebook are obsessed with moar social networking and have only a few real friendships. you also can't assume everyone on facebook is like that select handful of assholes. most people who use facebook aren't even aware there are people like that out there.

once again though i would like to state that i hate facebook. i tell my friends that all the time, 2 people have actually deleted their profile successfully with my help/expertise and i convinced one other friend to deactivate his. for the most part though, everyone just loves facebook. most of my friends completely deny that there are people like that on facebook and facebook is the shit causing it. if you're still following me here, fucking bravo. this whole paragraph is garbage. my point is that facebook is shit.

to prevent this from happening again i suggest not responding to trolls (sepubltura)

what he said didn't even make sense can't you see you're being trolled? if it was a well disguised attempt i could understand but i never give the benefit of the doubt to stupid people who make stupid statements. even if he wasn't trolling why would you respond? he sounds like an idiot. ignore him and hopefully he will go away.

thats some funny stuff you wrote. When I was just trying to stress the fact that there is a difference between friends and friends.

Listen you pretentious goof man you need to fucking relax or get out
every time you bring bad vibes to clubs and crews you're fucking up the balance
let me get back to the facebook thing though. it seems like you have an unreasonable hate for facebook users along with a bunch of assumptions that cannot be reasonably justified.

im just sooo unreasonable and ignoraaaant. pshhaa

all i can assume is that you are a homosexual. or a bisexual, whatever. even then there may be other factors. you could be in denial, maybe you fucked a guy and your balls didn't touch i dont fucking know. what i can say for sure is that you like the feeling of things stuck up your ass.

my god like how did you like, uh, know? I do like to finger my ass, it's like plugging ya know? shove em e pills in there and it feels so like- just keep the finger moving, finger licking good. mmm

it's sad that some of you are so much older than me but some of you can't understand that 50% of the time their opinion doesn't mean shit.

Bring down the government dood and the system, cuz like our thoughts mean nothing man.

if you're still following me here

It's hard but i managed to sift through the...material.

to prevent this from happening again i suggest not responding to trolls

woah thank you. You are like a sherlock holmes problem solver guy mixed with the Hardly Boys. I've got a total raging clue for you right now. Time for some bong tokes.

anyways lets post pics of the pot guys!!!!!!!! i need moar for my blog

At 1/18/12 05:21 AM, WallofYawn wrote: I never understood why they call it "doom metal." or "stoner metal" either. It's just metal. You can call thrash metal, thrash metal, because it's different. It took the genre in a new direction, and not just playing faster either. Playing slow, however, doesn't make it a whole new genre in my mind, and neither does singing about melancholy shit, or singing about pot. It's just good old-fashioned metal.

They don't just play it slower. The riffs are different, atmosphere, structures. Hell! Everything is different. Plus, stoner is different, big time and isn't always slow. It's a genre on it's own.

Why? All doom describes is that it's slow, and dark sounding, and the lyrics are about suffering and misanthrope. Stylistically, it's no different from what heavy metal bands were doing back in the day, just a bit more modern, or musical, or have a bit more distortion. I mean, Thrash Metal is more separated from traditional metal than those "sub-genres" will ever be.

Right... because Electric Wizard and Bongripper just play Heavy Metal but slower. Oh wait, they don't.

Thrash Metal should include death metal and black metal, because they are just heavier versions. Those sub-genres should not even exist, because they're pointless and stupid really. I mean, don't get me wrong, I like bands like At the Gates, The Haunted, Death, Atheist, Pesticide, Nile, and Alchemist, but really, they're still thrash metal, just at times heavier and more "wall of sound" ish, with more "blast beats."(a technical term for frantically banging on the drums like a chimpanzee)

Heavier versions? Because you think Blood Red Throne, Origin or Deathare like Metallica, Megadeth and Sodom... but just heavier? How about you listen to the music, analyse the riffs, the progression, see how the music is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. Oh yeah, and Gris, Xasthur and Balrog just play an heavier version of Thrash. Oh wait, they don't. They play Black Metal.

Ever heard of a band called Hellhammer? Ever heard of Venom? Sodom? Those bands were thrash metal bands, and were souly responsible for the creation of death metal and black metal as well. Along with being some of the earliest thrash bands, they played darker, more ominous sounding metal, that centered around topics of death, murder, and satanism/witch craft. Case in point? Death metal, and black metal don't really exist. They are just more extreme and less accessible than other thrash bands.

Venom were a Thrash Metal band that initiated black metal. When a new genre is born from another, sure you will find similarities between the earlier forms of the new genre and the genre it took influence from... That's common sense, son. And Sodom are Thrash, all the way.

Nu-metal is probably the dumbest genre description ever. I won't even waste my breath on this one, because all it is is a stupid made up name, for bands that took influence from industrial rock bands, and bands like the Deftones.(in fact, I'd go as far as calling Slipknot a Deftones rip off, and a bad one at that)

Not Metal, so we don't really care.

Power Metal and Classical Metal are not much different than a lot of the 80s rock groups played on radio and the like, only they sing about gay shit, like wizards and dragons. They should call it nerd metal. They do demonstrate how influencial classical music was on modern metal, though. Hell, Mozart was like the Eddy Van Halen of the classical music world.

Oh yes, because Labyrinth are exactly like Kansas or Bon Jovi. Oh wait, you are wrong again. Plus, I fail to see the point of your stupid insults. How are your stupid insults comming handy anywhere in your analysis? You are trying to proove Power Metal shouldn't be a genre, so you call it gay and nerdy. Good job making irrelevant comments, son.

Progressive metal? Shit, this is just another way of saying, "pretentious math lovers who are obsessed with odd time signatures."

Now... just shut the fuck up. Progressive Metal doesn't only refer to technical and complex time signatures. And it sure doesn't include all that mathcore shit and djent. Prog is Dream Theater, Symphony X, Labyrinth, Aghora, Cynic, Exivious. Sure some of them play technical stuff. But not technical for the sake of being technical. Prog refers to a way to structure your riffs and compose your music. You can be prog without being technical. Last Cynic album is prog even though it really isn't as technical as stuff like Liquid Tension Experiment, and whatever. And what the fuck is wrong with you anyway? Why do you insult prog musicians?

Grindcore? Grindcore to me is not much different than what they call brutal death metal. It is an offshoot of powerviolence, which is an off-shoot of crust punk, which was a mix of metal and hardcore punk, before crossover thrash became popular, and well before the genre of "metalcore" was "invented."

Grindcore is a mix of genres. So yes, there is death metal in there, but NOT JUST Death Metal. Use your brain, son.

Gothic? Half of it isn't metal, the other half just sounds like softer, more melodic metal, with string section and twin quortets added in. I would not consider it gothic, though. Most of them do not take any influence from the gothic genre.

It isn't a genre.

Viking and Folk metal are practically the same thing. Bathory was around at the time of Black Sabbath, so this just makes it metal really. Kind of a pointless name, although they do take influence from traditional folk music, and you definitely get the feel of vikings when listening to them.

Viking isn't a genre. It fits in Folk.

And because Bathory were around at the same time as Black Sabbath, it makes them just Metal? If that isn't another irrelevant comment...

Folk Metal refers to folk elements in your metal music. Simple right? So Bathory, Drudkh, Agalloch... they all have some folk in their metal.

Symphonic? Well, gothic metal often falls into this category as well. Symphonic is pretty much what the name suggests: contains a symphony, or is at least made to sound like a symphony. I guess it works, even though it isn't so much a stylistic description, as it is: metal that has a symphony.

It isn't a genre. It's an adjective. You can play symphonic power metal, symphonic prog, symphonic black...

Hell, you could say Metallica are symphonic metal because they used a symphony a couple times, or that Led Zepplin were a symphonic rock group because of Kashmir. Kind of pointless really.

Wrong way to look at it...

At 1/17/12 04:01 PM, ToastedCupcake wrote:

At 1/17/12 02:16 PM, Dromedary wrote:

At 1/17/12 01:01 AM, bongboy69 wrote: i want too know the name of this weed now

i believe it's the rare strand of "crystally ass spider looking shit"

I've been meaning to ask, isn't a dromedary a type of camel?

it is indeed an arabian camel.

also how the fuck do arguments always spark up in this shithole, i thought stoners were supposed to be laid back

so recently me and some buddies rolled a foot long joint. we stuck about a quarter ounce with about 4 or 5 different strands in there, it was the best

and it was also the first time i've rolled anything bigger than an L, i'm shit at rolling lmao