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Response to Official Pokemon Hg/ss Thread Jun. 2nd, 2010 @ 11:36 AM Reply

At 6/2/10 09:58 AM, Auz wrote: I can understand why people want to avoid using Legendaries, but I bet that when Salamence and Pokemon like that are voted Ubers, a new set of Pokemon will simply arise that everybody will start whining about. You can never perfectly balance out a game with 500 different Pokemon that have 500 different move-pools, strengths, weaknesses and abilities anyway.

After looking more into it, idk if Salamence should be banned. The metagame is changed too drastically for the worse. Wayyy too much stall and that is no fun to play someone for an hour till your PP stalls out.

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Response to Official Pokemon Hg/ss Thread Jun. 2nd, 2010 @ 11:38 AM Reply

Also, we should de-Uber Wynaut.
I mean, yeah. "he's the exact same as Wobuffet, only worse stats." But he can't even take a single hit in the Ubers tier, when Wobuffet can take many.

If you had to pick pokemon(s) to get De-Ubered, which would you pick?

For those who don't play competitive pokemon, the ubers tier is right here.

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Response to Official Pokemon Hg/ss Thread Jun. 2nd, 2010 @ 02:06 PM Reply

At 6/2/10 11:38 AM, Mexifry wrote: If you had to pick pokemon(s) to get De-Ubered, which would you pick?

For those who don't play competitive pokemon, the ubers tier is right here.

Wynaut and Wobuffet. They're probably two of the most interesting Pokemon out there, it's a waste to have them banned. And like you said, Wynaut's stats are ridiculously low, so I don't see why you can't be allowed to use him. He can probably take out only 1 Pokemon max anyway.

Furthermore I would pick Garchomp for reasons I stated before; this is only gonna make people revert to the second (or third) best strategy, so there really isn't much use in banning him.


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Response to Official Pokemon Hg/ss Thread Jun. 2nd, 2010 @ 03:16 PM Reply

At 6/2/10 09:58 AM, Auz wrote:
At 6/1/10 07:44 PM, verycoolguy wrote: Uber status isn't based on power in Ubers, it's based on powers in OU. If that was the case, then Scizor, Forretress, Blissey, Kingdra, Tyranitar, Jirachi, and even Latias would be Uber. Besides, Salamence has a Speed advantage over Rayquaza, as after it Dragon Dances, it is only tied with Choice Scarf Palkia, who outspeeds DD Rayquaza and is a very common revenge killer in Ubers.
Oh man. This discussion reminds me again of that article I read about banning the best strategy in a game, with as a result that everybody will simply revert to the second best strategy.

I can understand why people want to avoid using Legendaries, but I bet that when Salamence and Pokemon like that are voted Ubers, a new set of Pokemon will simply arise that everybody will start whining about. You can never perfectly balance out a game with 500 different Pokemon that have 500 different move-pools, strengths, weaknesses and abilities anyway.

Uh, I don't think you understood what I meant. I meant that Scizor, Forretress, Blissey, etc. would be Uber because those Pokemon work extremely well in Ubers and are some of the most used in the tier. I wasn't saying that they are so good in OU, that they should be Uber. If this logic of "Salamence would suck in Ubers" means that something shouldn't be Uber because it won't be used much there, then things that are used much in Ubers, should be Uber. And we all know that Forretress is not an Uber by any means.
You might be thinking that that list of Pokemon I mentioned are the most used of the standard metagame, and that Salamence is the number one most used. It isn't. Scizor is first, Tyranitar is second, while Salamence is third. Latias was only number 6 and was still banned because most people agreed that it was overpowered and overcentralized the metagame. Before Wobbuffet was placed in Ubers, it was only ranked around #44 in usage, but people agreed that it was too broken.

On another note, legendary=/=Uber. Entei, Articuno, and Regice are horrible legendaries, and thats why they are in the NeverUsed tier. Some are very good, but in no way broken, like Suicune, Zapdos, and Celebi.

Only time will tell if there will be a broken Pokemon on the rise, but no one can guarantee that it will happen, so that's not a reason not to ban. If there will be one, it might be Dragonite, because it is another Dragon with an immense movepool and harsh offensive stats on both sides, but with Dragonite's low speed, there are much much less Pokemon to threaten right away, and there is a wider array of checks, due to more Pokemon being able to outspeed the Dragon Dance set with a Choice Scarf. Of course it's impossible to balance the game perfectly... but there really isn't a reason to not try to keep it as balanced as possible.

At 6/2/10 11:36 AM, Mexifry wrote: After looking more into it, idk if Salamence should be banned. The metagame is changed too drastically for the worse. Wayyy too much stall and that is no fun to play someone for an hour till your PP stalls out.

From my experience Dragonite is used in almost every battle. Dragonite still outspeeds most walls and can break them down with a mixed set, just like Salamence did.

Personally, I love stall :D

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Response to Official Pokemon Hg/ss Thread Jun. 2nd, 2010 @ 03:42 PM Reply

At 6/2/10 02:06 PM, Auz wrote: Wynaut and Wobuffet. They're probably two of the most interesting Pokemon out there, it's a waste to have them banned. And like you said, Wynaut's stats are ridiculously low, so I don't see why you can't be allowed to use him. He can probably take out only 1 Pokemon max anyway.

Oh god, not Wobuffet! D:
Battling one of those things without a Darkrai is horrible and nasty and basically fucks you over.
Wobuffet works well in Ubers, but Wynaut's stats are too low and could be an interesting addition to OU or even UU play.

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Response to Official Pokemon Hg/ss Thread Jun. 2nd, 2010 @ 05:08 PM Reply

At 6/2/10 03:42 PM, Mexifry wrote: Wobuffet works well in Ubers, but Wynaut's stats are too low and could be an interesting addition to OU or even UU play.

Wynaut in UU

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Response to Official Pokemon Hg/ss Thread Jun. 2nd, 2010 @ 05:34 PM Reply

If you guys haven't heard of Little Cup, it's a different metagame, full of first stage evolution Pokemon like Staryu and Bulbasaur. Apparently Wynaut is allowed.

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Response to Official Pokemon Hg/ss Thread Jun. 2nd, 2010 @ 06:35 PM Reply

At 6/2/10 05:34 PM, verycoolguy wrote: If you guys haven't heard of Little Cup, it's a different metagame, full of first stage evolution Pokemon like Staryu and Bulbasaur. Apparently Wynaut is allowed.

That's weird, why is Wynaut allowed in Little Cup? It's a baby pokemon, and babies should be in Baby Cup (implying there's such thing).


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Response to Official Pokemon Hg/ss Thread Jun. 2nd, 2010 @ 06:43 PM Reply

At 6/2/10 05:34 PM, verycoolguy wrote: If you guys haven't heard of Little Cup, it's a different metagame, full of first stage evolution Pokemon like Staryu and Bulbasaur. Apparently Wynaut is allowed.

Which just seems stupid, especially with a good wisher :\.

An uber baby would be awesome as a UU/OU, because there he's only guaranteed to fuck up 1 guy 2 at the VERY MOST unless you basically surround the damn team around him and gimmicks rarely work well.

In addition maybe encore force switch what.... one guy? gay.


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Response to Official Pokemon Hg/ss Thread Jun. 2nd, 2010 @ 07:53 PM Reply

The newest Pokemon games! Hm, Soulsilver, Typhlosion, Level 92, and that should be it. Anyway, they're coming out with a new game, with two new Pokemon!


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Response to Official Pokemon Hg/ss Thread Jun. 2nd, 2010 @ 08:25 PM Reply

Alright so does anyone wanna battle on Wifi? I'm ABSOLUTELY DESPERATEfor a battle. My friend code is 0088 4769 3601.

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Response to Official Pokemon Hg/ss Thread Jun. 2nd, 2010 @ 11:45 PM Reply

At 6/2/10 05:08 PM, BonusStage wrote:
At 6/2/10 03:42 PM, Mexifry wrote: Wobuffet works well in Ubers, but Wynaut's stats are too low and could be an interesting addition to OU or even UU play.
Wynaut in UU

oh jesus

Absol would rape that thing and so would Mismageus.

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Response to Official Pokemon Hg/ss Thread Jun. 3rd, 2010 @ 12:57 PM Reply

At 6/2/10 11:45 PM, Mexifry wrote: Absol would rape that thing and so would Mismageus.

Actually.... they'd be the worst things possible for it...

Mirror Coat is psychic, hits ghosts
Counter is fighting, hits dark.

It's special darks and physical ghosts that wreck wyanut/wobbuffet


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Response to Official Pokemon Hg/ss Thread Jun. 5th, 2010 @ 09:23 AM Reply

So much for filling my Pokedex, Soul Silver has decided to corrupt my save randomly, even after I turn it offproperly after letting it save. Now if I have the will power I get to start it ALL OVER AGAIN. Right after I got a good natured Ralts for an awesome Gallade.

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Response to Official Pokemon Hg/ss Thread Jun. 5th, 2010 @ 02:51 PM Reply

Absol and Mismagius are strong enough to OHKO Wynaut with their STABs so they don't really have much to worry about, although Absol can only use Night Slash. Try Spiritomb for killing Wynaut/Wobbuffet.

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Response to Official Pokemon Hg/ss Thread Jun. 5th, 2010 @ 03:05 PM Reply

At 6/5/10 02:51 PM, verycoolguy wrote: Absol and Mismagius are strong enough to OHKO Wynaut with their STABs so they don't really have much to worry about, although Absol can only use Night Slash. Try Spiritomb for killing Wynaut/Wobbuffet.

Focus sash IMO


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Response to Official Pokemon Hg/ss Thread Jun. 5th, 2010 @ 07:08 PM Reply

I now have two baby Cyndaquils that I am willing to part with along with a Totodile and two Sudowoodos. I also have a Kadabra, Graveler, Haunter, and Machoke, but I want to train them more before I give them up, if someone wants them.


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Response to Official Pokemon Hg/ss Thread Jun. 5th, 2010 @ 07:34 PM Reply

yeah but you couldve order it online

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Response to Official Pokemon Hg/ss Thread Jun. 7th, 2010 @ 05:19 PM Reply

Dude, what's up with the idiots on the GTS? They want some of the most unrealistic trades imaginable. I seen one guy asking to trade his level 15 Machop for a level 100 Mew. WTF?


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Response to Official Pokemon Hg/ss Thread Jun. 7th, 2010 @ 05:47 PM Reply

At 6/7/10 05:19 PM, vannila-guerilla wrote: Dude, what's up with the idiots on the GTS? They want some of the most unrealistic trades imaginable. I seen one guy asking to trade his level 15 Machop for a level 100 Mew. WTF?

This is what they need to fix in Pokemon Black and White. You shouldn't be able to seek legendaries, and you shouldn't be able to seek a pokemon higher than the level of your strongest pokemon.

Anyway I just got all 16 badges and I got the GB Player. I got an epic nostalgia attack from it. I still have some baby pokemon (they're all lv 1) that I'm willing to trade, one Totodile, two Cyndaquils, and a Chikorita.


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Response to Official Pokemon Hg/ss Thread Jun. 8th, 2010 @ 03:43 PM Reply

At 6/7/10 05:47 PM, Chdonga wrote:
At 6/7/10 05:19 PM, vannila-guerilla wrote: Dude, what's up with the idiots on the GTS? They want some of the most unrealistic trades imaginable. I seen one guy asking to trade his level 15 Machop for a level 100 Mew. WTF?
This is what they need to fix in Pokemon Black and White. You shouldn't be able to seek legendaries, and you shouldn't be able to seek a pokemon higher than the level of your strongest pokemon.

Anyway I just got all 16 badges and I got the GB Player. I got an epic nostalgia attack from it. I still have some baby pokemon (they're all lv 1) that I'm willing to trade, one Totodile, two Cyndaquils, and a Chikorita.

I agree it should be fixed, but I don't mind trading a strong Pokemon for a rarer, yet weaker, Pokemon. It's annoying. I try making my requests as realistic as possible. It's hard though because the kids on there have ruined it and I doubt anyone looking for a serious trade gets on there.


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Response to Official Pokemon Hg/ss Thread Jun. 9th, 2010 @ 01:53 AM Reply

At 6/7/10 05:47 PM, Chdonga wrote:
At 6/7/10 05:19 PM, vannila-guerilla wrote: Dude, what's up with the idiots on the GTS? They want some of the most unrealistic trades imaginable. I seen one guy asking to trade his level 15 Machop for a level 100 Mew. WTF?
This is what they need to fix in Pokemon Black and White. You shouldn't be able to seek legendaries, and you shouldn't be able to seek a pokemon higher than the level of your strongest pokemon.

This is where I think Nintendo should introduce a tier system over the GTS. That way, you can't seek anything in a higher tier than the pokemon you're offering.

Thoughts?

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Response to Official Pokemon Hg/ss Thread Jun. 9th, 2010 @ 02:11 AM Reply

At 6/9/10 01:53 AM, xports wrote: This is where I think Nintendo should introduce a tier system over the GTS. That way, you can't seek anything in a higher tier than the pokemon you're offering.

Too bad Nintendo prolly doesnt even know about the Smogon tiers.

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Response to Official Pokemon Hg/ss Thread Jun. 9th, 2010 @ 04:42 AM Reply

At 6/9/10 02:11 AM, Mexifry wrote:
At 6/9/10 01:53 AM, xports wrote: This is where I think Nintendo should introduce a tier system over the GTS. That way, you can't seek anything in a higher tier than the pokemon you're offering.
Too bad Nintendo prolly doesnt even know about the Smogon tiers.

Actually, was I thinking more towards rarity. Things like starters, legendaries, event downloads, common, ect. Nothing too fancy or subjective.

I'm sure even I could put together a working tier list within 10 minutes.


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Response to Official Pokemon Hg/ss Thread Jun. 9th, 2010 @ 06:00 PM Reply

here's my team

pikachu- lvl 31
charizard- lvl 36
blastoise- lvl 36
venusaur- lvl 32
lapras- lvl 25
snorlax- lvl 30

It's a really weak version of Red's team but it's keeping me happy.

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Response to Official Pokemon Hg/ss Thread Jun. 9th, 2010 @ 07:06 PM Reply

At 6/7/10 05:47 PM, Chdonga wrote:
At 6/7/10 05:19 PM, vannila-guerilla wrote: Dude, what's up with the idiots on the GTS? They want some of the most unrealistic trades imaginable. I seen one guy asking to trade his level 15 Machop for a level 100 Mew. WTF?
This is what they need to fix in Pokemon Black and White. You shouldn't be able to seek legendaries, and you shouldn't be able to seek a pokemon higher than the level of your strongest pokemon.

The level bit sounds good, but it should be that you can only seek Legendaries if you're offering Legendaries. Like a separate "Legendary List" where you can seek Mew, Deoxys, and Arceus as long as you're willing to trade off Manaphy, Darkrai, and Shaymin.

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Response to Official Pokemon Hg/ss Thread Jun. 10th, 2010 @ 05:52 PM Reply

At 6/9/10 07:06 PM, SoulMaster71 wrote:
At 6/7/10 05:47 PM, Chdonga wrote:
At 6/7/10 05:19 PM, vannila-guerilla wrote: Dude, what's up with the idiots on the GTS? They want some of the most unrealistic trades imaginable. I seen one guy asking to trade his level 15 Machop for a level 100 Mew. WTF?
This is what they need to fix in Pokemon Black and White. You shouldn't be able to seek legendaries, and you shouldn't be able to seek a pokemon higher than the level of your strongest pokemon.
The level bit sounds good, but it should be that you can only seek Legendaries if you're offering Legendaries. Like a separate "Legendary List" where you can seek Mew, Deoxys, and Arceus as long as you're willing to trade off Manaphy, Darkrai, and Shaymin.

I wouldn't mind to see some fix honestly. It's mostly the kids that are ruining it. Right now I'm looking at someone wanting to trade their level 1 Growlithe for an Entei. I want a Growlithe, but not that damned bad.

By the way, if anyone wants to do any legit trades, let me know and I'll see what I can do.

I'm looking for:
Haunter(Male, any level)
Growlithe(Male, any level)
Jynx(any level)
Houndoom(Any gender, any level)
Electabuzz(30+, any gender)

I have a Gengar level 45 female I'm willing to trade for a male Haunter level 30+, just saying.


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Response to Official Pokemon Hg/ss Thread Jun. 10th, 2010 @ 05:56 PM Reply

I have every Pokemon apart from Celebi and Mew.

Can breed anything anyone wants.

Will take anything vaguely interesting. TMs, rare items, etc.


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Response to Official Pokemon Hg/ss Thread Jun. 10th, 2010 @ 06:21 PM Reply

At 6/10/10 05:56 PM, TheMaster wrote: I have every Pokemon apart from Celebi and Mew.

Can breed anything anyone wants.

Will take anything vaguely interesting. TMs, rare items, etc.

Can you get me a Mewtwo?

If so, what would you trade it for?


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Response to Official Pokemon Hg/ss Thread Jun. 10th, 2010 @ 06:27 PM Reply

At 6/10/10 06:21 PM, vannila-guerilla wrote: Can you get me a Mewtwo?

If so, what would you trade it for?

Obviously I can't breed one, but I have got two.

There's nothing I'm particularly after. What have you got to offer?


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