At 6/2/10 09:58 AM, Auz wrote:
At 6/1/10 07:44 PM, verycoolguy wrote:
Uber status isn't based on power in Ubers, it's based on powers in OU. If that was the case, then Scizor, Forretress, Blissey, Kingdra, Tyranitar, Jirachi, and even Latias would be Uber. Besides, Salamence has a Speed advantage over Rayquaza, as after it Dragon Dances, it is only tied with Choice Scarf Palkia, who outspeeds DD Rayquaza and is a very common revenge killer in Ubers.Oh man. This discussion reminds me again of that article I read about banning the best strategy in a game, with as a result that everybody will simply revert to the second best strategy.
I can understand why people want to avoid using Legendaries, but I bet that when Salamence and Pokemon like that are voted Ubers, a new set of Pokemon will simply arise that everybody will start whining about. You can never perfectly balance out a game with 500 different Pokemon that have 500 different move-pools, strengths, weaknesses and abilities anyway.
Uh, I don't think you understood what I meant. I meant that Scizor, Forretress, Blissey, etc. would be Uber because those Pokemon work extremely well in Ubers and are some of the most used in the tier. I wasn't saying that they are so good in OU, that they should be Uber. If this logic of "Salamence would suck in Ubers" means that something shouldn't be Uber because it won't be used much there, then things that are used much in Ubers, should be Uber. And we all know that Forretress is not an Uber by any means.
You might be thinking that that list of Pokemon I mentioned are the most used of the standard metagame, and that Salamence is the number one most used. It isn't. Scizor is first, Tyranitar is second, while Salamence is third. Latias was only number 6 and was still banned because most people agreed that it was overpowered and overcentralized the metagame. Before Wobbuffet was placed in Ubers, it was only ranked around #44 in usage, but people agreed that it was too broken.
On another note, legendary=/=Uber. Entei, Articuno, and Regice are horrible legendaries, and thats why they are in the NeverUsed tier. Some are very good, but in no way broken, like Suicune, Zapdos, and Celebi.
Only time will tell if there will be a broken Pokemon on the rise, but no one can guarantee that it will happen, so that's not a reason not to ban. If there will be one, it might be Dragonite, because it is another Dragon with an immense movepool and harsh offensive stats on both sides, but with Dragonite's low speed, there are much much less Pokemon to threaten right away, and there is a wider array of checks, due to more Pokemon being able to outspeed the Dragon Dance set with a Choice Scarf. Of course it's impossible to balance the game perfectly... but there really isn't a reason to not try to keep it as balanced as possible.
At 6/2/10 11:36 AM, Mexifry wrote:
After looking more into it, idk if Salamence should be banned. The metagame is changed too drastically for the worse. Wayyy too much stall and that is no fun to play someone for an hour till your PP stalls out.
From my experience Dragonite is used in almost every battle. Dragonite still outspeeds most walls and can break them down with a mixed set, just like Salamence did.
Personally, I love stall :D