At 6/1/10 02:29 PM, BonusStage wrote:
At 6/1/10 05:41 AM, verycoolguy wrote:
Um, well let's see, Latias just rendered one Pokemon on a team completely useless, and still lives healthy with Leftovers and still holds ridiculous STAB to dent most stuff.Any pokemon you're not prepared for can do this and much worse given a turn or two to set up.
Usually the Pokemon who absorbs Trick, is Choice Scarf Tyranitar, which I've said before, is mostly used because of Latias.Oh no, a choice user absorbing a choice item trick, god knows that would suck.
And that's when Tyranitar Pursuits Latias to its grave.
Also, if you build a team and decide to have a Pokemon with the sole purpose of countering Latias, shows that Latias has some overcentralization. Having to handle a Trick and Specs Draco Meteor requires two different Pokemon to handle the jobs. There is none who can do both.Something always has to be OP
Overpowered is one thing, but having a Pokemon with the sole purpose of dealing with one Pokemon, shows over centralization.
Now people are going to be arguing to move Scizor/ttar/salamence into ubers because they'll dominate lower tier.
No one will ever ask Scizor to be in Ubers. Scizor has far more counters than Latias or Salamence do.
Hippowdon isn't really that good.loljk
Skarmory is a better wall because of resistances and Spikes.Wrong, too many things carry HP Fire for Scizor now, a special move as you well know, but Hippowdon has the extra HP (since the 8 base SDef isn't really going to be too gamebreaking) to survive a mispredict, and if you're scouting, you can chose roar/slack off.
Why would you switch Hippowdon or Skarmory, two physical walls, on Special attackers?
Base stats are far from the only thing that can make a good wall. Typing is much more important. Hippowdon's only notable resistance is Rock and Immune to Electric, while he has three bad weaknesses to Water, Ice, and Grass, all very common attacking types. Skarmory can take advantage of his typing and absorb many Special attacks it resists. It's also very notable that Skamory is immune to TOXIC and Ground. The new standard for Skarmory is to max out Special Defense, so it can take STAB Surfs from the likes of Vaporeon all day. It laughs at Flamethrowers from Blissey.
As long as people are holding HP Fire now instead of HP Ice, Hippowdon is more reliable, especially if you have steel types otherwise, and if you play competitively, you probably have a Scizor, and if you play smart you'll throw some bulk on that scizor so that when you take it in for a good switch, it'll still be in green.
Hidden Power Ice is still excessively common. No one uses it for Hippowdon, they use it for the Dragons. Skarmory may be weak to HP Fire, but Hidden Power only holds 70 base power, and when Skarmory maxes out his Special Defense, the damage output is far from a OHKO.
One of the main reasons why Hippowdon isn't seen as much, is because Swampert and Gliscor are usually much better choices for Bulky Ground Pokemon.
Scizor isn't really knows as a supreme sweeper that breaks teams down. It's more of a "best glue to a team ever".Then revenge killer, that could easily pull off 2-3 a game if he's banded, but if he's agility/swords dance variant, you wrong broski
Being locked to either a move with weak coverage that forces you to switch, priority move with weak coverage, a move that gets weaker and weaker, and a weak move if the opponent doesn't switch. I really doubt Choice Band Scizor will pull one of those, unless the opponent is really stupid.
Swords Dance Scizor gets walled easily, by Rotom-A, Gyarados, Zapdos, Skarmory, and even some UU stuff like Moltres and Arcanine and gets easily revenge killed by Heatran. Agility Scizor is no exception. Also, Swords Dance/Agility sets can be said about any late game sweeper. Lucario can pull that off much better, and Metagross can use Agility to dent weakened teams. But they are far from being overpowered.
Salamence is put up as a suspect and is VERY likely to be voted as Uber.Shittier rayquaza, all it ever will be
Uber status isn't based on power in Ubers, it's based on powers in OU. If that was the case, then Scizor, Forretress, Blissey, Kingdra, Tyranitar, Jirachi, and even Latias would be Uber. Besides, Salamence has a Speed advantage over Rayquaza, as after it Dragon Dances, it is only tied with Choice Scarf Palkia, who outspeeds DD Rayquaza and is a very common revenge killer in Ubers.