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At 5/30/10 08:30 PM, verycoolguy wrote: IMO I think Salamence is more broken. His Draco Meteor is just as powerful as Latias', and has access to Fire Blast and Hydro Pump. It also has an even more threatening physical attacking potential. FFS Salamence even gets Aqua Tail. Because of Dragon Dance, Salamence forces teams to hold the item Choice Scarf on Pokemon who are already fast, like Gengar and Starmie. And if you try to revenge kill Salamence with stuff like Ice Shard or Bullet Punch, there's nothing really stopping it from switching out. At least Latias had Pursuit to worry about.

He's an Ubers Suspect right now.
My guess is here is gonna get banned soon.

I hate the Dragons so much... They are way too versatile. And there are even more Dragons coming up in the 5th generation. What next? Giving Flygon Dragon Dance and the Tinted Lens ability?

They need a new Dragon check besides steel. The whole metagame has been based around Stealth Rock and countering Dragons and thats because Stealth Rock is horribly broken and Dragon Types hit pretty much everything for neutral damage.

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Maybe my pokemon are just low attack EVs, but it seems like dragon type moves are only strong when used by, while at the same time against dragon type pokemon. My level 50 something Pidgeot can barely kill a level 30 something Dratini with Twister.


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At 5/31/10 01:27 AM, Mexifry wrote: He's an Ubers Suspect right now.
My guess is here is gonna get banned soon.

I'm aware of that. I really hope it gets banned to Ubers. More people are pro-ban.

They need a new Dragon check besides steel. The whole metagame has been based around Stealth Rock and countering Dragons and thats because Stealth Rock is horribly broken and Dragon Types hit pretty much everything for neutral damage.

Steel isn't even a full Dragon check. All Steel does is resist the attacks, but Steel type attacks are only neutral against Dragons. Even if they resist the attacks, they are taking a huge dent anyway because the attacks are coming from extremely high offensive stats, and the moves themselves have ridiculously large base power (Outrage-120 and Draco Meteor-140) with STAB.

If Salamence is OU 'because he is worn down by Stealth Rock and Sandstorm and Life Orb very quickly and is easily taken out by priority moves', then Deoxys-A should be OU, because it is OHKOd by anything, so it is easily revenge killed and Pursuit prevents it from switching. I can very well see Salamence take out more than one Pokemon from the opposing team because of its bulk to take hits and ridiculous power. I can't really see Deoxys-A doing that because ANYTHING will kill it, so it's easily forced out by Priority users, Choice Scarf holders, and is trapped by Pursuit. Deoxys-A is Scizor's bitch. Deoxys can't even use STAB attacks. Psychic is a horrible typing.

At 5/31/10 01:34 AM, Chdonga wrote: Maybe my pokemon are just low attack EVs, but it seems like dragon type moves are only strong when used by, while at the same time against dragon type pokemon. My level 50 something Pidgeot can barely kill a level 30 something Dratini with Twister.

Maybe because of low Special Attack EVs, Pidgeot's very low base Special Attack, and the fact that Twister has an extremely low base power. Level 50 and 30 aren't that far apart.

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At 5/31/10 01:34 AM, Chdonga wrote: Maybe my pokemon are just low attack EVs, but it seems like dragon type moves are only strong when used by, while at the same time against dragon type pokemon. My level 50 something Pidgeot can barely kill a level 30 something Dratini with Twister.

I hate to burst your bubble, but Pidgeot is a terrible Pokemon with horrible stats. And its special defense stat is even worse than its attack stat. Plus Twister's base power is a measly 40, making it essentially a Dragon-Type Water Gun.

Also onto the "Dragon pokemon use Dragon attacks better" is because of STAB (Same Type Attack Bonus). The attacks used by a pokemon of that type get 1.5x their base power; i.e. a Wing Attack from a Pidgeot would have a base power of 90 instead of 60 due to STAB.

What makes Dragon such a great attacking type is the fact it is resisted only by Steel, making coming in on the attacks extremely predictable. Also, considering almost every single Dragon, barring Kingdra and I want to say Palkia, learns some form of Fire Attack, it makes it even more difficult to fight back. And with access to so many powerful moves on both the physical and special side, like Outrage, Draco Meteor, Dragon Pulse, and the rare Dragon Claw, its a pain to battle against pokemon with Dragon moves.

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At 5/31/10 02:32 AM, verycoolguy wrote: Psychic is a horrible typing.

:'(

I want Alakazam to be king again.

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Response to Official Pokemon Hg/ss Thread 2010-05-31 18:09:41 Reply

I am currently getting to work on my team, leveling it up etc.

Tyranitar
Kingdra
Skarmory
Magmorter
Gallade
Magnazone

I will probably change Magmorter out for a different fire type like Arcanine or Rapidash.

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At 5/30/10 01:37 PM, Mexifry wrote: And the whole metagame was centralized around Latias. It's the reason pokemon like Salamence, Scizor, and T-tar were the Top 3 used pokemon.

because
those three
wouldn't be used
otherwise
ohok

Nothing in the OU metagame could take more than 2 specs Draco Meteor from Latias.
It was way overpowered with way too many options and way too much bulk.

Calm Mind with Blissey/Cresselia
Softboiled/Recover with them
Use protect more
Umbreon even

lolol

At 5/31/10 06:09 PM, Simple wrote: I am currently getting to work on my team, leveling it up etc.

Tyranitar
Kingdra
Skarmory
Magmorter
Gallade
Magnazone

I will probably change Magmorter out for a different fire type like Arcanine or Rapidash.

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Doesn't matter until you actually explain the team.


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Response to Official Pokemon Hg/ss Thread 2010-05-31 23:35:47 Reply

At 5/31/10 07:09 PM, BonusStage wrote:
Calm Mind with Blissey/Cresselia
Softboiled/Recover with them
Use protect more
Umbreon even

lolol

I did some damage calcs, and with Stealth Rock, Sandstorm, and Leftovers, Cresselia is 2HKOd 100% of the time when it uses its common EV spreads. I'm not able to get an accurate one on Umbreon's common EV spread, but I'm sure Umbreon also has an extremely high chance of getting 2HKOd with the same settings. Even if they decide to max out their Special Defenses, Moonlight won't even heal half of the damage Draco Meteor did, thanks to Sandstorm. They can max out their Special Defense, but that would leave Cresselia vulnerable to OHKOs by Tyranitar or even Scizor, and Umbreon would lack Speed to outspeed other walls to Taunt them.
Calm Mind Blissey isn't very effective because of the amount of Trick users in the metagame. Latias herself can Trick a Choice item to cripple Blissey.

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stuck on the elite four >:(

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At 5/31/10 11:35 PM, verycoolguy wrote: Calm Mind Blissey isn't very effective because of the amount of Trick users in the metagame. Latias herself can Trick a Choice item to cripple Blissey.

Latias uses trick and tricks something to blissey

suddenly latias is attacking as normal

OU status only

all you need is a pokemon to absorb the trick or one meteor, then switch to something to rape it.

if they switch out, good. you'll have a free shot at other members of the team or a turn to set up and sweep if your typing is right.

If anything ttar/scizor/salamence will now only reign supreme, forcing more god damn hippowdon walls and more
god
damn
sandstorm

Golduck seriously needs an Evolution
air lock needs to be OU usable :|


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Response to Official Pokemon Hg/ss Thread 2010-06-01 05:41:32 Reply

At 6/1/10 02:26 AM, BonusStage wrote:
At 5/31/10 11:35 PM, verycoolguy wrote: Calm Mind Blissey isn't very effective because of the amount of Trick users in the metagame. Latias herself can Trick a Choice item to cripple Blissey.
Latias uses trick and tricks something to blissey
suddenly latias is attacking as normal
OU status only

Um, well let's see, Latias just rendered one Pokemon on a team completely useless, and still lives healthy with Leftovers and still holds ridiculous STAB to dent most stuff.

all you need is a pokemon to absorb the trick or one meteor, then switch to something to rape it.

Usually the Pokemon who absorbs Trick, is Choice Scarf Tyranitar, which I've said before, is mostly used because of Latias.
Also, if you build a team and decide to have a Pokemon with the sole purpose of countering Latias, shows that Latias has some overcentralization. Having to handle a Trick and Specs Draco Meteor requires two different Pokemon to handle the jobs. There is none who can do both.

If anything ttar/scizor/salamence will now only reign supreme, forcing more god damn hippowdon walls and more
god
damn
sandstorm

Hippowdon isn't really that good. Skarmory is a better wall because of resistances and Spikes. Scizor isn't really knows as a supreme sweeper that breaks teams down. It's more of a "best glue to a team ever". It's a beast of a team player. Salamence is put up as a suspect and is VERY likely to be voted as Uber. With those Dragons gone, Heatran will grow even more usage, as well as many Grass types, even Shaymin. With those Grass types, Tyranitar is in check.

Golduck seriously needs an Evolution
air lock needs to be OU usable :|

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Response to Official Pokemon Hg/ss Thread 2010-06-01 10:00:34 Reply

I'm training an Eevee to try and get an Espeon, but it's going a bit slow. Can anyone tell me what increases happiness?

I know giving haircuts, leveling up and walking around with him increases the happiness-level, and I thought using items on him does so as well. Is there anything else?


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Response to Official Pokemon Hg/ss Thread 2010-06-01 10:25:49 Reply

At 6/1/10 10:00 AM, Auz wrote: I'm training an Eevee to try and get an Espeon, but it's going a bit slow. Can anyone tell me what increases happiness?

I know giving haircuts, leveling up and walking around with him increases the happiness-level, and I thought using items on him does so as well. Is there anything else?

Vitamins give the biggest boost, I believe.


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Response to Official Pokemon Hg/ss Thread 2010-06-01 12:12:15 Reply

At 6/1/10 10:25 AM, TheMaster wrote:
At 6/1/10 10:00 AM, Auz wrote: I'm training an Eevee to try and get an Espeon, but it's going a bit slow. Can anyone tell me what increases happiness?

I know giving haircuts, leveling up and walking around with him increases the happiness-level, and I thought using items on him does so as well. Is there anything else?
Vitamins give the biggest boost, I believe.

Ah thanks for the tip.

I gave him about 20 vitamin pills and he went straight from 'friendly towards you' to almost enough happiness to evolve. Two level-ups later he evolved into Espeon :)

So yeah I think they indeed do give the biggest boost, although it is quite expensive to make them happy that way.


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Response to Official Pokemon Hg/ss Thread 2010-06-01 14:29:31 Reply

At 6/1/10 05:41 AM, verycoolguy wrote: Um, well let's see, Latias just rendered one Pokemon on a team completely useless, and still lives healthy with Leftovers and still holds ridiculous STAB to dent most stuff.

Any pokemon you're not prepared for can do this and much worse given a turn or two to set up.

Usually the Pokemon who absorbs Trick, is Choice Scarf Tyranitar, which I've said before, is mostly used because of Latias.

Oh no, a choice user absorbing a choice item trick, god knows that would suck.

Also, if you build a team and decide to have a Pokemon with the sole purpose of countering Latias, shows that Latias has some overcentralization. Having to handle a Trick and Specs Draco Meteor requires two different Pokemon to handle the jobs. There is none who can do both.

Something always has to be OP

Now people are going to be arguing to move Scizor/ttar/salamence into ubers because they'll dominate lower tier.

Hippowdon isn't really that good.

loljk

Skarmory is a better wall because of resistances and Spikes.

Wrong, too many things carry HP Fire for Scizor now, a special move as you well know, but Hippowdon has the extra HP (since the 8 base SDef isn't really going to be too gamebreaking) to survive a mispredict, and if you're scouting, you can chose roar/slack off.

As long as people are holding HP Fire now instead of HP Ice, Hippowdon is more reliable, especially if you have steel types otherwise, and if you play competitively, you probably have a Scizor, and if you play smart you'll throw some bulk on that scizor so that when you take it in for a good switch, it'll still be in green.

Scizor isn't really knows as a supreme sweeper that breaks teams down. It's more of a "best glue to a team ever".

Then revenge killer, that could easily pull off 2-3 a game if he's banded, but if he's agility/swords dance variant, you wrong broski

Salamence is put up as a suspect and is VERY likely to be voted as Uber.

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Response to Official Pokemon Hg/ss Thread 2010-06-01 14:30:46 Reply

At 6/1/10 10:00 AM, Auz wrote: I'm training an Eevee to try and get an Espeon, but it's going a bit slow. Can anyone tell me what increases happiness?

I know giving haircuts, leveling up and walking around with him increases the happiness-level, and I thought using items on him does so as well. Is there anything else?

just find a big road that goes pretty far just pressing up/down or left/right

have the soothe bell equipped (don't have it? check where it is ;)

and watch some youtube videos.


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Response to Official Pokemon Hg/ss Thread 2010-06-01 16:26:26 Reply

Finally have a Modest Seel that I'm going to train up to fight Claire with.

Not to mention Dewgong is one of the awesome awful Pokemon. I know that there are so many easier ways to beat the dragon gym, yet I'm doing this anyway. Yay me.

At 6/1/10 02:30 PM, BonusStage wrote:
At 6/1/10 10:00 AM, Auz wrote: I'm training an Eevee to try and get an Espeon, but it's going a bit slow. Can anyone tell me what increases happiness?

I once got a Pokemon from standard happiness to enough to evolve by sitting around with the DS in one hand and pressing up and down on a long road. It's easier than going around looking for happiness increasing events.


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At 6/1/10 02:30 PM, BonusStage wrote:
At 6/1/10 10:00 AM, Auz wrote: I'm training an Eevee to try and get an Espeon, but it's going a bit slow. Can anyone tell me what increases happiness?

What also increases happiness is putting them in the Pokewalker and checking up on them often.


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Response to Official Pokemon Hg/ss Thread 2010-06-01 19:10:24 Reply

At 6/1/10 10:00 AM, Auz wrote: I'm training an Eevee to try and get an Espeon, but it's going a bit slow. Can anyone tell me what increases happiness?

I know giving haircuts, leveling up and walking around with him increases the happiness-level, and I thought using items on him does so as well. Is there anything else?

Having it hold a soothe bell also helps, as it doubles happiness effects. Pick it up in National Park if you haven't already done so.
Too bad you could never cap an Eevee with a friend ball.


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At 6/1/10 02:29 PM, BonusStage wrote:
At 6/1/10 05:41 AM, verycoolguy wrote: Um, well let's see, Latias just rendered one Pokemon on a team completely useless, and still lives healthy with Leftovers and still holds ridiculous STAB to dent most stuff.
Any pokemon you're not prepared for can do this and much worse given a turn or two to set up.
Usually the Pokemon who absorbs Trick, is Choice Scarf Tyranitar, which I've said before, is mostly used because of Latias.
Oh no, a choice user absorbing a choice item trick, god knows that would suck.

And that's when Tyranitar Pursuits Latias to its grave.

Also, if you build a team and decide to have a Pokemon with the sole purpose of countering Latias, shows that Latias has some overcentralization. Having to handle a Trick and Specs Draco Meteor requires two different Pokemon to handle the jobs. There is none who can do both.
Something always has to be OP

Overpowered is one thing, but having a Pokemon with the sole purpose of dealing with one Pokemon, shows over centralization.

Now people are going to be arguing to move Scizor/ttar/salamence into ubers because they'll dominate lower tier.

No one will ever ask Scizor to be in Ubers. Scizor has far more counters than Latias or Salamence do.

Hippowdon isn't really that good.
loljk

Skarmory is a better wall because of resistances and Spikes.
Wrong, too many things carry HP Fire for Scizor now, a special move as you well know, but Hippowdon has the extra HP (since the 8 base SDef isn't really going to be too gamebreaking) to survive a mispredict, and if you're scouting, you can chose roar/slack off.

Why would you switch Hippowdon or Skarmory, two physical walls, on Special attackers?
Base stats are far from the only thing that can make a good wall. Typing is much more important. Hippowdon's only notable resistance is Rock and Immune to Electric, while he has three bad weaknesses to Water, Ice, and Grass, all very common attacking types. Skarmory can take advantage of his typing and absorb many Special attacks it resists. It's also very notable that Skamory is immune to TOXIC and Ground. The new standard for Skarmory is to max out Special Defense, so it can take STAB Surfs from the likes of Vaporeon all day. It laughs at Flamethrowers from Blissey.

As long as people are holding HP Fire now instead of HP Ice, Hippowdon is more reliable, especially if you have steel types otherwise, and if you play competitively, you probably have a Scizor, and if you play smart you'll throw some bulk on that scizor so that when you take it in for a good switch, it'll still be in green.

Hidden Power Ice is still excessively common. No one uses it for Hippowdon, they use it for the Dragons. Skarmory may be weak to HP Fire, but Hidden Power only holds 70 base power, and when Skarmory maxes out his Special Defense, the damage output is far from a OHKO.

One of the main reasons why Hippowdon isn't seen as much, is because Swampert and Gliscor are usually much better choices for Bulky Ground Pokemon.

Scizor isn't really knows as a supreme sweeper that breaks teams down. It's more of a "best glue to a team ever".
Then revenge killer, that could easily pull off 2-3 a game if he's banded, but if he's agility/swords dance variant, you wrong broski

Being locked to either a move with weak coverage that forces you to switch, priority move with weak coverage, a move that gets weaker and weaker, and a weak move if the opponent doesn't switch. I really doubt Choice Band Scizor will pull one of those, unless the opponent is really stupid.
Swords Dance Scizor gets walled easily, by Rotom-A, Gyarados, Zapdos, Skarmory, and even some UU stuff like Moltres and Arcanine and gets easily revenge killed by Heatran. Agility Scizor is no exception. Also, Swords Dance/Agility sets can be said about any late game sweeper. Lucario can pull that off much better, and Metagross can use Agility to dent weakened teams. But they are far from being overpowered.

Salamence is put up as a suspect and is VERY likely to be voted as Uber.
Shittier rayquaza, all it ever will be

Uber status isn't based on power in Ubers, it's based on powers in OU. If that was the case, then Scizor, Forretress, Blissey, Kingdra, Tyranitar, Jirachi, and even Latias would be Uber. Besides, Salamence has a Speed advantage over Rayquaza, as after it Dragon Dances, it is only tied with Choice Scarf Palkia, who outspeeds DD Rayquaza and is a very common revenge killer in Ubers.

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Response to Official Pokemon Hg/ss Thread 2010-06-02 09:58:20 Reply

Thanks for the tips everyone, but I already managed to evolve him and I think those vitamin pills work really good.

I already figured out the taking steps by the way. I cycled up and down in Goldenrod a lot to increase happiness, but it didn't grow fast enough for me.

At 6/1/10 07:44 PM, verycoolguy wrote: Uber status isn't based on power in Ubers, it's based on powers in OU. If that was the case, then Scizor, Forretress, Blissey, Kingdra, Tyranitar, Jirachi, and even Latias would be Uber. Besides, Salamence has a Speed advantage over Rayquaza, as after it Dragon Dances, it is only tied with Choice Scarf Palkia, who outspeeds DD Rayquaza and is a very common revenge killer in Ubers.

Oh man. This discussion reminds me again of that article I read about banning the best strategy in a game, with as a result that everybody will simply revert to the second best strategy.

I can understand why people want to avoid using Legendaries, but I bet that when Salamence and Pokemon like that are voted Ubers, a new set of Pokemon will simply arise that everybody will start whining about. You can never perfectly balance out a game with 500 different Pokemon that have 500 different move-pools, strengths, weaknesses and abilities anyway.


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Response to Official Pokemon Hg/ss Thread 2010-06-02 11:36:03 Reply

At 6/2/10 09:58 AM, Auz wrote: I can understand why people want to avoid using Legendaries, but I bet that when Salamence and Pokemon like that are voted Ubers, a new set of Pokemon will simply arise that everybody will start whining about. You can never perfectly balance out a game with 500 different Pokemon that have 500 different move-pools, strengths, weaknesses and abilities anyway.

After looking more into it, idk if Salamence should be banned. The metagame is changed too drastically for the worse. Wayyy too much stall and that is no fun to play someone for an hour till your PP stalls out.

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Response to Official Pokemon Hg/ss Thread 2010-06-02 11:38:40 Reply

Also, we should de-Uber Wynaut.
I mean, yeah. "he's the exact same as Wobuffet, only worse stats." But he can't even take a single hit in the Ubers tier, when Wobuffet can take many.

If you had to pick pokemon(s) to get De-Ubered, which would you pick?

For those who don't play competitive pokemon, the ubers tier is right here.

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At 6/2/10 11:38 AM, Mexifry wrote: If you had to pick pokemon(s) to get De-Ubered, which would you pick?

For those who don't play competitive pokemon, the ubers tier is right here.

Wynaut and Wobuffet. They're probably two of the most interesting Pokemon out there, it's a waste to have them banned. And like you said, Wynaut's stats are ridiculously low, so I don't see why you can't be allowed to use him. He can probably take out only 1 Pokemon max anyway.

Furthermore I would pick Garchomp for reasons I stated before; this is only gonna make people revert to the second (or third) best strategy, so there really isn't much use in banning him.


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Response to Official Pokemon Hg/ss Thread 2010-06-02 15:16:25 Reply

At 6/2/10 09:58 AM, Auz wrote:
At 6/1/10 07:44 PM, verycoolguy wrote: Uber status isn't based on power in Ubers, it's based on powers in OU. If that was the case, then Scizor, Forretress, Blissey, Kingdra, Tyranitar, Jirachi, and even Latias would be Uber. Besides, Salamence has a Speed advantage over Rayquaza, as after it Dragon Dances, it is only tied with Choice Scarf Palkia, who outspeeds DD Rayquaza and is a very common revenge killer in Ubers.
Oh man. This discussion reminds me again of that article I read about banning the best strategy in a game, with as a result that everybody will simply revert to the second best strategy.

I can understand why people want to avoid using Legendaries, but I bet that when Salamence and Pokemon like that are voted Ubers, a new set of Pokemon will simply arise that everybody will start whining about. You can never perfectly balance out a game with 500 different Pokemon that have 500 different move-pools, strengths, weaknesses and abilities anyway.

Uh, I don't think you understood what I meant. I meant that Scizor, Forretress, Blissey, etc. would be Uber because those Pokemon work extremely well in Ubers and are some of the most used in the tier. I wasn't saying that they are so good in OU, that they should be Uber. If this logic of "Salamence would suck in Ubers" means that something shouldn't be Uber because it won't be used much there, then things that are used much in Ubers, should be Uber. And we all know that Forretress is not an Uber by any means.
You might be thinking that that list of Pokemon I mentioned are the most used of the standard metagame, and that Salamence is the number one most used. It isn't. Scizor is first, Tyranitar is second, while Salamence is third. Latias was only number 6 and was still banned because most people agreed that it was overpowered and overcentralized the metagame. Before Wobbuffet was placed in Ubers, it was only ranked around #44 in usage, but people agreed that it was too broken.

On another note, legendary=/=Uber. Entei, Articuno, and Regice are horrible legendaries, and thats why they are in the NeverUsed tier. Some are very good, but in no way broken, like Suicune, Zapdos, and Celebi.

Only time will tell if there will be a broken Pokemon on the rise, but no one can guarantee that it will happen, so that's not a reason not to ban. If there will be one, it might be Dragonite, because it is another Dragon with an immense movepool and harsh offensive stats on both sides, but with Dragonite's low speed, there are much much less Pokemon to threaten right away, and there is a wider array of checks, due to more Pokemon being able to outspeed the Dragon Dance set with a Choice Scarf. Of course it's impossible to balance the game perfectly... but there really isn't a reason to not try to keep it as balanced as possible.

At 6/2/10 11:36 AM, Mexifry wrote: After looking more into it, idk if Salamence should be banned. The metagame is changed too drastically for the worse. Wayyy too much stall and that is no fun to play someone for an hour till your PP stalls out.

From my experience Dragonite is used in almost every battle. Dragonite still outspeeds most walls and can break them down with a mixed set, just like Salamence did.

Personally, I love stall :D

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Response to Official Pokemon Hg/ss Thread 2010-06-02 15:42:18 Reply

At 6/2/10 02:06 PM, Auz wrote: Wynaut and Wobuffet. They're probably two of the most interesting Pokemon out there, it's a waste to have them banned. And like you said, Wynaut's stats are ridiculously low, so I don't see why you can't be allowed to use him. He can probably take out only 1 Pokemon max anyway.

Oh god, not Wobuffet! D:
Battling one of those things without a Darkrai is horrible and nasty and basically fucks you over.
Wobuffet works well in Ubers, but Wynaut's stats are too low and could be an interesting addition to OU or even UU play.

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At 6/2/10 03:42 PM, Mexifry wrote: Wobuffet works well in Ubers, but Wynaut's stats are too low and could be an interesting addition to OU or even UU play.

Wynaut in UU

oh jesus


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Response to Official Pokemon Hg/ss Thread 2010-06-02 17:34:37 Reply

If you guys haven't heard of Little Cup, it's a different metagame, full of first stage evolution Pokemon like Staryu and Bulbasaur. Apparently Wynaut is allowed.

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At 6/2/10 05:34 PM, verycoolguy wrote: If you guys haven't heard of Little Cup, it's a different metagame, full of first stage evolution Pokemon like Staryu and Bulbasaur. Apparently Wynaut is allowed.

That's weird, why is Wynaut allowed in Little Cup? It's a baby pokemon, and babies should be in Baby Cup (implying there's such thing).


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At 6/2/10 05:34 PM, verycoolguy wrote: If you guys haven't heard of Little Cup, it's a different metagame, full of first stage evolution Pokemon like Staryu and Bulbasaur. Apparently Wynaut is allowed.

Which just seems stupid, especially with a good wisher :\.

An uber baby would be awesome as a UU/OU, because there he's only guaranteed to fuck up 1 guy 2 at the VERY MOST unless you basically surround the damn team around him and gimmicks rarely work well.

In addition maybe encore force switch what.... one guy? gay.


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