At 7/16/12 11:27 PM, Kashi wrote: Woah, woah, woah.

Did this really just happen?

is that who I think it is?

I know I barely have time to lurk nowadays, but why were we paying attention to this Hiryu guy? In the past when some dick just wanted to be sucked off all the time (kr8tos) you just say something mean then ignore them until they go away. I mean, that's how I solve all my problems.

Also Cypress I appreciate you playing devils advocate on the quality of the kids art, but as someone who has pruned him several times, he definitely doesn't need to be in the portal. So many people draw/want to draw in an anime style, there needs to be stricter rules on it to prevent the portal from basically just being DA.

That said, I agree the kids artwork has been bashed more than it needs to be. While some of that as a result of him being a dick, his work is by no stretch the WORST that's on here. He has improved a lot recently, but I wouldn't say is good for the portal. Good enough that he should be posting here in the forum and (if he's willing) get feedback to improve.

Maybe that's just my bias towards people who shoot for that style. Maybe we could use an art mod who draws anime to give a biased opinion to counter ours. Maybe Hiryu should just draw something interesting every once in awhile. Lots of maybes.

ps WHY WON'T ANYONE COMMENT IN MY THREAD AND GIVE ME 5's LOVE ME

Do We really have to keep talking about this?
I know this makes me sound like some sort of ass, but really guys, Lets move on. Its done, its over,

At 7/17/12 01:36 AM, CypressDahlia wrote: I'm not really trying to play devil's advocate. I'm just being honest.

How is Hiryu any worse for the portal than this?
http://www.newgrounds.com/art/view/theshadling/slutty-franki e
I understand he's more annoying, but when if we're talking about upholding a standard of quality or tastefulness I don't see how Hiryu is any more harmful than Shadman.

As much as it is really awkward to say, the difference between Shadman and Gouki is that Shadman is actually a pretty decent artist. Setting aside his more questionable content, Shadman shows in many pieces that he has good composition, skill, anatomy as well as various other skills that show both years of practice and some decent knowledge.
Examples
http://www.newgrounds.com/art/view/theshadling/battle?context=ratings:e.user:2924942.scout ed:.offset:3http://www.newgrounds.com/art/view/theshadling/shadbase-gangsta-banner?context=ratings:etm .user:2924942.scouted:.offset:4http://www.newgrounds.com/art/view/theshadling/squawking-for-vengeance?context=ratings:e.u ser:2924942.scouted:.offset:0Even with shadmans questionable taste, he shows skill. And the reason he post so much smut mainly all comes down to shock factor. He keeps that shock factor mixed with a little boobage now and then, he keeps his views, reviews, scores and votes as high as they can go.

So Shadman is a pretty piss poor comparison to Gouki.

Gouki on the other hand, lacks many foundations and basics of art. He can get better, cause I believe everyone can get better, but with his attitude, threats and work ethic, He will find it hard to get any help from anyone, even those with great lengths of patients

Now can we please move on, the subject, and cry baby has already gotten more attention than they deserve.

At 7/17/12 01:36 AM, CypressDahlia wrote: I'm not really trying to play devil's advocate. I'm just being honest.

How is Hiryu any worse for the portal than this?
http://www.newgrounds.com/art/view/theshadling/slutty-franki e
I understand he's more annoying, but when if we're talking about upholding a standard of quality or tastefulness I don't see how Hiryu is any more harmful than Shadman.

I can't remember if it was you or not who seemed to have an ax to grind with Shad for some reason. That aside, you have to admit that Shads work is of better quality than Hiryu. Shads anatomy isn't flawless, but his execution is good (I'm not talking his sexy girl shit, I mean his other work) and has a style that sort of harkens back to 80s pulp comics and metal artwork. There's a definite, unique style to his work (again, not his sexy chick fodder). The problem with Hiryu is that while he's not terrible, he's drawing in a style that for some reason nowadays every fucking kid I meet who wants to get into drawing cartoons wants to draw anime. I volunteer at a center that offers art classes to public school kids, and it's honestly hilarious how many kids stubbornly draw anime when they're rubbish at it. I understand you have to practice to get good, but when you're flooded with so much of the same style, you have to be better than "just okay" at it to stand out. That honestly sucks for people who want to try and stand out in that style, but it's the truth of the matter. Being alright or decent at drawing anime isn't good enough, because there's just so many people that are alright at it. Someone like Shad gets a pass because how many other artists on here are working in that 80s pulp/metal cartoon style? Not nearly as many kids that are drawing anime. Again, I don't mean his fap fodder which unfortunately is like 80% of what he does nowadays. But stuff like this, this, and thisare genuinely sweet. The guy has talent, he just unfortunately doesn't use it a whole lot lately. There's nothing in Hiryu's gallery that really stands out to me, it all looks like what every other kid who wants to draw anime draws. If his pieces were funny, interesting, or had more ambitious subject matter than one anime character in a rigid pose with okay anatomy I'd be more inclined to let it pass through the portal.

Subject matter? I completely agree with you. The difference with Shad though is that he occasionally does produce something that's genuinely cool, and more than just beat fodder for repressed teenagers. I 100% wish Shad would do more of his pulp-like work like skeletons rocking out to metal and riding big ass motorcycles and stuff. It's way cooler than his umpteenth drawing of a slutty girl, or when he's just drawing stuff to get a rise out of people.

Other art mods may think differently than I do, and I tend to sometimes be a little harsh with what's okay and not okay, but to stay in the portal the artist has to have something that sparks as interesting to stay in the portal. Quality aside, there has to be something about it that I can understand why people would want to/need to see it. Something about it that just genuinely makes me think "This should be seen by other people." That seems too harsh as I write it out, but it's the best way I can think to explain my reasoning for what I see as okay and not okay for portal. It's not necessarily a matter of quality. It's a matter of is it something other people need to see, or should it stick to the forums for improvement.

I've droned on much longer than I meant to, but maybe this'll help you understand what goes through at least my head when perusing the forums.

I in no way represent the ideas and feelings of other art mods.

At 7/17/12 02:10 AM, Captain wrote: I've droned on much longer than I meant to, but maybe this'll help you understand what goes through at least my head when perusing the forums.

Meant to say perusing the Portal. I CLEARLY don't peruse the forum as often as I'd liked :P

I said before I don't have a problem with Hiryu's art outside that it's mediocre and boring. This is more personal opinion, but I'll take the more interesting pose in Slutty Franky with anatomical inconsistencies over one of Hiryu's piece's which have just okay anatomy. I'm a style over substance kind of guy. Anatomy shouldn't remotely be something that makes or breaks a piece, it can, but poor anatomy shouldn't be used against someone that clearly isn't striving for it.

I get that Hiryu has been working on his anatomy, and he's been improving. His next piece could have PERFECT proportions. It doesn't change the fact his work boring, and just not interesting in the slightest. I don't get why we make such a big deal about someone knowing basic anatomy and proportions sometimes. It's super easy to learn proper anatomy, it's just hard to master without a reference. He's drawing in a cartoon/anime style, neither of which are particularly known for being restricted by anatomy. Hiryu's got the basics down, I'd much prefer he went NUTS with it for the sake of pose, flow, and style.

TL/DR: Anatomy is just such a small drop in the bucket for what makes or breaks a piece in my eyes

And for the sake of not seeming to drag out the whole Hiryu thing. I'm just using him as an example at this point. I'm trying to discuss the notion of what makes a piece good/bad and why we put such reverence to proper anatomy. The whole Hiryu/Shad thing just seems like a good example/jumping off point.

I'd also like to expand on that a little.

Cypress, I have very high regard for you as an artist, and I would also consider your work to be somewhat in the anime style (more so your older pencil drawings than your newer digital work). Your older drawings are reminiscent of what a lot of kids seem to want to strive for, but what sets you apart from them has nothing to do with your grasp of anatomy(I'm sticking to anatomy because that just seems like what we're hung up on). I'd easily admit that you have a much better sense of anatomy than I do, better than I ever plan on achieving. I'm sure you've practiced it, and it adds to your work. It's not what makes it good though. Your character designs are fantastic, and you have a great eye for detail. In your newer work you've gotten really good at giving your character a sense of motion, and adding drama/story to your pieces. Those are things that make your pieces good, and they would still be reasons your pieces are successful if your anatomy was worse.

Anatomy should be just be something an artist is expected to know. It's the art equivalent of times tables. If you do a math problem wrong, you can't say "Well I messed up the algebra, and I don't know anything about imaginary numbers, but at least I multiplied 2 by 3 right." (shitty example) and expect to have someone say "You're right you're multiplication was flawless! Gold star!" Your buddy who actually knows something about math is gonna think you're an idiot and then tell you what to work on.

Anatomy shouldn't be a reason why a piece should be considered good (unless you're striving for hyper-realism which is another can of beans), it should be something you are just expected to know and than move on to learning more important things while continuing to improve your grasp on it.

At 7/17/12 12:56 AM, CypressDahlia wrote: But like I said: we have plenty of artists in the portal worse than Hiryu who are equally or more unreceptive to criticism, but remain scouted.

Yeah, but Hiryu easily gets on your tits more, since he is a prolific whiner and always has something to bitch about. It's a harsh decision to prune him, but he had it coming for so long.

And TBH, it's not like he receives fair scores either, so I can see why he acts so hard-done-by. I mean a 1.8 is a dismal score, considering even the most critical reviews give his art at least a 2.5.

Yeah, about that. Tony Darkgrave came into the Stickam room, and said he was zero-bombing the guy for the past month. I can't say I'm happy about that, since it tips the queens over the edge.

Also I've had enough of this subject now, since there's enough pillocks spending their summer hols in the art forum as it is. Hope there's a push for some art collabs that could be created within the next few months.

At 7/17/12 02:28 AM, CypressDahlia wrote: Looking at it from a purely objective level I can find more flaws on average in Shadman's work than I can in Hiryu's. We're talking poor proportions versus anatomical impossibilities.

I think generally Shadman is just more interested in a sort of comic book-y dynamicism than anything approaching what a real human looks like. You see that a lot in professional comic artists.

See Escher Girls.

i think the art forum is losing some of it's educational value (only a little). People are more focused than ever on praise and offending each other than actually learning methods to better themselves. i think it's due to a recent increase in users of the forum, because for everyone it can be hard to take and give effective/negative criticisms.

and shadman isn't a bad artist at all, he makes so much stuff all the time. for him it's a source of income, so he'd cut a few corners. fair enough some of the problems with his stuff are sometimes just lazy, and his work wouldn't have the same amount of fans if it wasn't porn.

going to drink tea now because i'm English.

At 7/17/12 04:54 AM, mega-supreme wrote: i think the art forum is losing some of it's educational value (only a little). People are more focused than ever on praise and offending each other than actually learning methods to better themselves. i think it's due to a recent increase in users of the forum, because for everyone it can be hard to take and give effective/negative criticisms.

and shadman isn't a bad artist at all, he makes so much stuff all the time. for him it's a source of income, so he'd cut a few corners. fair enough some of the problems with his stuff are sometimes just lazy, and his work wouldn't have the same amount of fans if it wasn't porn.

going to drink tea now because i'm English.

The snobs are the worst... I despise them. Their full blown arrogance is the downfall of the community of newgrounds. THey don't even show a hint of humility.

Like I always say, if you're gonna be humble or arrogant, why not be both?

At 7/16/12 07:17 PM, YinYangYong wrote: I wasn't involved in the the whole story, so I can't tell for sure. But what I saw http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/1311704 there kinda gave me the impression they were simply trying to provoke him. Neverless, I don't get such a good impression from him, so he's the guy I'd want to avoid.

I agree, the user was a hothead, but this Escalus user was constantly provoking him and the thread quickly spiraled towards a flame war after the first couple of bickering posts between the two of them.

A short off topic simple technical somewhat art related question.
Why does the nib of my tablet pen after having it replaced just 2 weeks ago already feel like its similair to drawing with a needle on a chalkboard?

Gets me frustarted..

At 7/17/12 01:19 AM, Captain wrote: I know I barely have time to lurk nowadays, but why were we paying attention to this Hiryu guy? In the past when some dick just wanted to be sucked off all the time (kr8tos) you just say something mean then ignore them until they go away.

This^

At 7/17/12 07:14 AM, fa2mann wrote: A short off topic simple technical somewhat art related question.
Why does the nib of my tablet pen after having it replaced just 2 weeks ago already feel like its similair to drawing with a needle on a chalkboard?

Gets me frustarted..

Because you're pressing too hard?

At 7/17/12 07:14 AM, fa2mann wrote: A short off topic simple technical somewhat art related question.
Why does the nib of my tablet pen after having it replaced just 2 weeks ago already feel like its similair to drawing with a needle on a chalkboard?

Gets me frustarted..

you can adjust the sensitivity so you won't have to press so hard; you can also try cleaning your tablet with some windex might have so grease and dirt piled on it...

At 7/17/12 07:14 AM, fa2mann wrote: A short off topic simple technical somewhat art related question.
Why does the nib of my tablet pen after having it replaced just 2 weeks ago already feel like its similair to drawing with a needle on a chalkboard?

Gets me frustarted..

really? I kinda like it, its like drawing with a pencil, its got that friction I guess, if you think its a problem try to smooth it out with something, and (like everyone said) press less hard so you don't widdle it down to a stump, that's how wacom gets ya, they make the nibs out of cheapest plastic they can find and expect you to buy more at £1 per nib, its a business strategy really.

At 7/17/12 08:28 AM, M-Maher wrote: that's how wacom gets ya, they make the nibs out of cheapest plastic they can find and expect you to buy more at Ã'£1 per nib, its a business strategy really.

That's bollocks, the 10 quid you spend on nibs between getting new tablets is not where wacom gets it's money.

At 7/17/12 08:35 AM, J-qb wrote:

At 7/17/12 08:28 AM, M-Maher wrote: that's how wacom gets ya, they make the nibs out of cheapest plastic they can find and expect you to buy more at Ãf'Ã'£1 per nib, its a business strategy really.

That's bollocks, the 10 quid you spend on nibs between getting new tablets is not where wacom gets it's money.

It keeps you coming back to them though, continued business after the purchase, if you were a business owner wouldn't you try to lock your customers into something its what microsoft does with the 360 and that is the #1 console on the market.

At 7/17/12 08:43 AM, M-Maher wrote: It keeps you coming back to them though, continued business after the purchase, if you were a business owner wouldn't you try to lock your customers into something its what microsoft does with the 360 and that is the #1 console on the market.

Aside from the fact the 360 has had the most technical issues out of all consoles, Nintendo has continually been the highest grossing one in this 'generation'.

Try punctuation if that's not what you meant.

At 7/17/12 09:06 AM, test-object wrote:

At 7/17/12 08:43 AM, M-Maher wrote: It keeps you coming back to them though, continued business after the purchase, if you were a business owner wouldn't you try to lock your customers into something its what microsoft does with the 360 and that is the #1 console on the market.

Aside from the fact the 360 has had the most technical issues out of all consoles, Nintendo has continually been the highest grossing one in this 'generation'.

Try punctuation if that's not what you meant.

yeah sorry, not trying to fry up and argument here, so lets avoid the conversation of business practices of large companies all together.

At 7/17/12 09:10 AM, M-Maher wrote: yeah sorry, not trying to fry up and argument here, so lets avoid the conversation of business practices of large companies all together.

I studied business studies and yeah businesses do that, but to say that that's how wacom "gets you" is just hugely exaggerated I'd say.

At 7/17/12 09:13 AM, J-qb wrote: I studied business studies and yeah businesses do that, but to say that that's how wacom "gets you" is just hugely exaggerated I'd say.

I guess I just overstate things, its a habit.

At 7/17/12 08:28 AM, M-Maher wrote: that's how wacom gets ya, they make the nibs out of cheapest plastic they can find and expect you to buy more at Ã'£1 per nib, its a business strategy really.

It is a business strategy to charge people for things, yes.

I don't think I've had to replace a nib since I got my Intuos over a year ago. Maybe once?

They gave me a bunch of spares.

At 7/17/12 09:18 AM, M-Maher wrote:

At 7/17/12 09:13 AM, J-qb wrote: I studied business studies and yeah businesses do that, but to say that that's how wacom "gets you" is just hugely exaggerated I'd say.

I guess I just overstate things, its a habit.

I think we all do sometimes so it's not such a big deal, really.

At 7/17/12 09:25 AM, Aigis wrote:

At 7/17/12 08:28 AM, M-Maher wrote: that's how wacom gets ya, they make the nibs out of cheapest plastic they can find and expect you to buy more at Ãf'Ã'£1 per nib, its a business strategy really.

I don't think I've had to replace a nib since I got my Intuos over a year ago. Maybe once?

I think i recall someone one saying that you can use any sort of plastic to replace the nib, as long as you cut it to the right size and what not. I think trimmer wire was suggested for this.
Trimmer wire as in the plastic wire used in grass string trimmers.

At 7/17/12 10:28 AM, big-jonny-13 wrote:

At 7/17/12 09:25 AM, Aigis wrote:

At 7/17/12 08:28 AM, M-Maher wrote: that's how wacom gets ya, they make the nibs out of cheapest plastic they can find and expect you to buy more at Ãff'Ãf'Ã'£1 per nib, its a business strategy really.

I don't think I've had to replace a nib since I got my Intuos over a year ago. Maybe once?

I think i recall someone one saying that you can use any sort of plastic to replace the nib, as long as you cut it to the right size and what not. I think trimmer wire was suggested for this.
Trimmer wire as in the plastic wire used in grass string trimmers.

Probably a stupid question on the subject, but can you use metals as a tip? Just find the proper diameter metal wire and peen the end so you don't cut gouges into the tablet. If it does actually work it would be much more durable than any plastic replacement tip.

At 7/17/12 10:44 AM, XWarrior61 wrote: Probably a stupid question on the subject, but can you use metals as a tip? Just find the proper diameter metal wire and peen the end so you don't cut gouges into the tablet. If it does actually work it would be much more durable than any plastic replacement tip.

I've never really tried it so I wouldn't know *shrugs*

At 7/17/12 10:44 AM, XWarrior61 wrote: Probably a stupid question on the subject, but can you use metals as a tip? Just find the proper diameter metal wire and peen the end so you don't cut gouges into the tablet. If it does actually work it would be much more durable than any plastic replacement tip.

you can basically put anything in there, as long as it fits and stays there its a viable nib, I did this with a cue tip on my old stylus, worked like a charm, obviously i took the cotton off it..

At 7/17/12 10:44 AM, XWarrior61 wrote: Probably a stupid question on the subject, but can you use metals as a tip? Just find the proper diameter metal wire and peen the end so you don't cut gouges into the tablet. If it does actually work it would be much more durable than any plastic replacement tip.

I don't see why not, but yeah definitely round and polish the hell out of that tip. Although even with those measures, it still might work through the surface of your tablet much faster than a normal plastic tip.
And about tip consumption, when my buddy got his tablet a few years back, it came with a lot of spares. 6 or 7 plastic ones, a felt one or two, and some gray ones.

I really don't know the difference between the black ones and the gray ones.

and when I was the first one to switch a tip when I was borrowing it a few weeks ago.

As for my personal cheap ass tablet, I have had it for a couple years, but haven't had to switch the tips yet, even though the one in it is starting to wear down a little.